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<|jemc|> anybody have any techniques for testing race conditions in my tests to avoid future regressions?
<|jemc|> for example, if object x responds to :stimulus_a and :stimulus_b
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<|jemc|> but the two could cause a race condition if not implemented correctly
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<|jemc|> my current technique is to spawn two threads, each sending the given stimulus after a Thread.pass
<|jemc|> and join them both
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<|jemc|> and repeat this a hundred or so times
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<|jemc|> anybody have any helpful hints to share on this matter?
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<freedrull> is weechat good
<freedrull> Due to a limitation of Ruby (15 arguments max by function), the function Weechat.config_new_option receives the callbacks in an array of 6 strings (3 callbacks + 3 data strings), so a call to this function looks like:
<freedrull> Weechat.config_new_option(config, section, "name", "string", "description of option", "", 0, 0, "value", "value", 0, ["check_cb", "", "change_cb", "", "delete_cb", ""])
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<freedrull> lol
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<freedrull> thought it might be nice to script in ruby instead of perl (i use irssi now)
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<|jemc|> whup?
<|jemc|> does ruby really have that limitation?
<|jemc|> >> def foo(x1,x2,x3,x4,x5,x6,x7,x8,x9,x10,x11,x12,x13,x14,x15,x16,x17,x18,x19,x20); puts "nothing wrong with #{x1} through #{x20}"; end; foo *((1..20).to_a)
<eval-in> |jemc| => nothing wrong with 1 through 20 ... (https://eval.in/71464)
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<|jemc|> heh
<|jemc|> so either outdated or ill-informed
<imperator> never had that limitation afaik
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<imperator> and i use hash options for anything more than 4 arguments
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<|jemc|> heh, yeah nobody actually wants a function with 20 named arguments
<|jemc|> sounds like the weechat thing freedrull is referring to needs to be using *args though
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<freedrull> |jemc|: yeah seriously, use *args
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<imperator> presumably there are sane defaults, so you wouldn't actually need all 20 :)
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<rue> |jemc|: You can’t simulate/provoke a race condition because you can’t really guarantee one to happen… you could possibly check the places where you know shared mutation happens by deliberately causing sequential operations in the wrong sequence
<rue> Or things like injecting a sleep into a thread
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<|jemc|> rue: yeah, that's pretty much the problem I'm facing. Even if I try to simulat it hundreds of times in the way I described, any test failures I get are real negatives, but there's no guarantee that a test sucess (no corruption from the race condition) is not a a false positive
<|jemc|> I was hoping somebody had a clever trick for me, but it sounds like any solution would be prohibitively complex
<|jemc|> including inserting sleeps between operations as your said, and timing the code concurrencies to fall in each possible pattern of interlocking sleep
<|jemc|> but doing so on an arbitrary black-box object would require lots of monkey-patching and iteration - an undertaking likely to be far more complex than the actual problem faced by any particular case
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<rue> You should probably just fix the source of the problem ;)
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<|jemc|> yup, sounds like it; I just worry about regressions :/
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<rue> Just rewrite in haskell
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<|jemc|> heh
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<slash_nick> Guys, I'm really curious about what's going on here: https://eval.in/71681 ... it's neat, but I don't understand what's going on
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<retro|cz> slash_nick, what's your expectation?
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<retro|cz> it's self referenced hash
<slash_nick> one deep
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<slash_nick> one deep or stack overflow... interested in knowing why it doesn't overflow, retro|cz
<retro|cz> for one deep - https://eval.in/71746
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<retro|cz> slash_nick, and you'll get stack overflow when you'll be traversing that recursively
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<retro|cz> slash_nick, eval.in returns 500 Internal error for stack too deep ruby error :)
<slash_nick> It's not a problem to get it returned one deep... https://github.com/rthbound/usno-transit/blob/adds_worldwide_support/lib/usno/transit.rb#L32 ... just confuses me because I expect options.merge!(foo: options) to be using the value of options prior to calling #merge
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<slash_nick> yeah retro|cz, i'd quit life if recursively traversing the self referencing hash didn't SO
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<slash_nick> #dup isn't the only option... #reject or anything that changes the object_id of the value being assigned seems to work
<retro|cz> slash_nick, yup
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<retro|cz> take it as one-sided linked list referencing self in next link
<slash_nick> I just don't understand why after the merge! options doesn't get a new object_id
<slash_nick> `options = { :deep => :stuff }; puts options.object_id;options.merge!(:options => options); puts options.object_id`
<retro|cz> because bang methods are usualy working on same object
* slash_nick shakes his own head at his self
<retro|cz> try options = options.merge(:options => options); puts options.object_id
<retro|cz> non bang methods operates usually on copy
<slash_nick> i'm starting to feel more sane
<slash_nick> [awesomely productive] long day at work, then some personal OS projects all night... perfect opportunity to baffle myself.
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<retro|cz> :)
<slash_nick> Anyway, thank you retro|cz
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<retro|cz> slash_nick, you're welcome
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<ljarvis> morning
<ljarvis> "We noticed that your AWS spend for November has spiked above what you’ve spent with us in the past. We appreciate your business and wanted to make sure the charges were expected. As of November 19th, your estimated monthly charges are $2.00, and based on your current usage, we estimate that your spend for November may exceed $4.00."
<ljarvis> I lol'd
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<maloik_> I racked up a 18$ bill somehow a while back
<maloik_> on something I didn't use
<maloik_> kind of just let it go, the card on that account was invalid anyway
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<ljarvis> heh
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<ljarvis> that's my irc box.. i spent 4 dollars speaking to you lot
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<yorickpeterse> "Why the fuck is X not logged....oh shit I used the wrong filter"
<yorickpeterse> Thursday morning derps
<ljarvis> you have derps every morning
<dominikh> ljarvis: aww, 4 dollars to talk to me, that's great
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<ljarvis> yeah
<ljarvis> money well spent....
<ljarvis> :-/
<dominikh> I agree.
<dominikh> I spend 20 to talk to you and receive stupid email, so yeah... you win
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<ljarvis> I would say you win because you get to talk to me
<ljarvis> and it's well worth the price!
<dominikh> yeah, right
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<ljarvis> :D
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<dominikh> do they have a plain "keep calm" one with an hour glass?
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<ljarvis> heh
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<yorickpeterse> BENCHMARK ALL THE CODE
<yorickpeterse> <3 Benchmark module
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<maloik_> not exactly a classy move tbh
<ljarvis> it's MS
<ljarvis> they do not do class
<ljarvis> although i did just give them a buttload of money
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<yorickpeterse> what, you bought an xbone?
<ljarvis> i did
<yorickpeterse> peasant
<yorickpeterse> I'll probably buy a PS4 once the hardware sorts itself out though
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<ljarvis> yeah i hate the controller, that's basically the only reason i use xbox over ps4
<ljarvis> and i like halo
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<dominikh> supporting Sony isn't exactly better than supporting Microsoft :P
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<yorickpeterse> Microsoft is the devil
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<dominikh> Sony is worse
<dominikh> Microsoft is like a stupid child
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<dominikh> Sony is the big brother shitting in your lunch box
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<maloik_> uh oh
<maloik_> wrong keybinding in irssi and something changed
<maloik_> I just don't know what, or how to undo it
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<ljarvis> dominikh: :D
<ljarvis> glad you're not my big brother
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<dominikh> you can be
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<ljarvis> first world problem: typing 'start' on a keyboard is awkward
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<dominikh> you know what's amazing to type? my nickname
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<workmad3> ljarvis: use dvorak, then at least there's more home-row action and a hand-shift :)
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<maloik_> just ate shit riding a colleague's 2 day old company-branded bike
<maloik_> 2 people asked me if I did judo or karate judging by the way I fell
<maloik_> it's okay to feel like a boss right ?
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<workmad3> maloik_: I assume you rolled? :)
<workmad3> maloik_: and slapped the ground while doing so?
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<yorickpeterse> maloik_: http://youtu.be/316AzLYfAzw?t=44s this is you
<yorickpeterse> (the bike dude, not the muscled one)
<yorickpeterse> :>
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<ljarvis> lul
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* imperator is a bit confused about the differences between File.realpath and File.realdirpath
<ljarvis> "All components of the pathname must exist when this method is called."
<ljarvis> vs "The last component of the real pathname can be nonexistent."
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<imperator> that seems a strange distinction...
<ljarvis> agreed
<ljarvis> probably best to check out the code
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<maloik_> best tweet and site in ages
<ljarvis> that is incredible
<imperator> ?
<imperator> wtf is that supposed to mean?
<ljarvis> do you even doge
<imperator> apparently not
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<gnufied> wow such innocence
<yorickpeterse> wow
<maloik_> hahaha
<yorickpeterse> such salesforce
<chris2> lmao
<yorickpeterse> fucking soap
<yorickpeterse> OOP
<yorickpeterse> whoever thought it was a good idea to let people write pseudo-java or whatever it is to do some basic REST stuff
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<gnufied> elisp and regular expressions give me migraine
<ljarvis> wat
<gnufied> I thought match-string should return string with no properties. but it returns fontified stuff
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<chris2> gnufied: \\\\why is \\\\that?
<gnufied> isn't this pretty
<gnufied> :[^ ]+[[:space:]]+=>[[:space:]]+.+
<chris2> doesnt it have \s?
<chris2> ah \s
<chris2> with a space
* imperator looks up doge...yeah, this too shall pass
<gnufied> apparently list doesn't have \s
<gnufied> elisp*
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<chris2> imperator: i'm waiting for it to get a big thing at conference slides
<chris2> imperator: it's just perfect for that
<chris2> gnufied: "\s "
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<cored> morning
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<cored> yorickpeterse: where is the site which tells who is winning ?
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<cored> yorickpeterse: I want to make a bet
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<gnufied> chris2: you are saying "\s " works?
<gnufied> are you*
<yorickpeterse> cored: wat
<yorickpeterse> site?
<chris2> gnufied: let me check
<ljarvis> yorickrants.com
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<cored> yorickpeterse: yeap, I saw a site that you paste here with the stats of the channel
<cored> ljarvis: not the rants one
<yorickpeterse> cored: oh
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<chris2> gnufied: \s- i think
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<chris2> well, that is "whitespace in the current syntax table"
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<gnufied> nice
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<gnufied> chris2: I think I am just going to use https://github.com/magnars/s.el
<gnufied> for what I am doing. but thanks.
<cored> yorickpeterse: love the pic
<cored> hehehe
<yorickpeterse> either way, I definately can not recommend Salesforce
<yorickpeterse> it's honestly making me cry how dumb this platform is
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<imperator> ljarvis, the semantics for the 2nd argument for realpath and realdirpath are kinda weird
<yorickpeterse> The docs are also fucking worthless
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<imperator> a crappy oracle product? shocking
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<manveru> yorickpeterse: the more PR a product has, the worse it usually is
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<yorickpeterse> This piece of shit is everything that's bad about the whole UML/herp-derp-java crap of the past 2 decades
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<yorickpeterse> it wouldn't be so bad if I could actually get something done but I'm just deadlocked between shitty docs, lacking APIs and the right buttons (that should *let* me do this) not being there
<yorickpeterse> I'm logged in as a super admin for christ's sake
* yorickpeterse bangs head
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<manveru> well, at least somebody tried to make docs for it :)
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<manveru> i'm spending half a year now deciphering a black box format
<yorickpeterse> "Only Developer Edition, Sandbox, and Trial organizations have the ability to create, edit, and delete Apex classes and triggers directly in the Salesforce CRM user interface." FUCK
<yorickpeterse> Well, I guess that means I get to tell people here that I can't do shit
<manveru> developer edition?
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<yorickpeterse> I have no idea, but I'm pretty sure we don't have that
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<manveru> hm
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<workmad3> manveru: at least no docs don't give you a false sense of hope
<manveru> hehe
<manveru> true that
<workmad3> manveru: you're forced to look at the actual behaviour, rather than living the pipe-dream that the docs are describing shit that really happens (instead of some made up shit that the devs scrawled 2 years before release)
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<yorickpeterse> where does the java code come from? How does this tie in to the API? What if I don't want Java/C#? etc
<manveru> an url with convertlead, yay
<yorickpeterse> just give me a fucking URL that I can POST to
<yorickpeterse> I don't care if it's SOAP, REST or YAML with embedded Ruby exploits
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<yorickpeterse> I *could* probably use their pseudo-sql stuff to do all this manually but then I'll be shaving 15 yaks while shooting myself in the foot with a chainsaw
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<manveru> well, if you find their WSDL, that should have all the call urls
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<imperator> yorickpeterse, obviously you didn't spend enough money
<manveru> workmad3: well, i learned an awful lot more than i ever wanted to know... plus job security for a few years :P
<workmad3> manveru: :)
<manveru> just hope i never meet the guy who came up with this format ever
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<yorickpeterse> imperator: yeah, as if the 5 billion dollars we pay a month weren't enough already
<yorickpeterse> Worst bit is that somewhere somebody is jerking off every time they open salesforce while screaming "HNNNGGGGG APPPPEEEEX"
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<yorickpeterse> if I were at home I would literally be screaming now, but I'm in an office
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<yorickpeterse> and if I go to the hallway I'll wake up all the lawyers
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<yorickpeterse> at least my music is pretty calm so far
<yorickpeterse> AHA
<yorickpeterse> FOUND IT
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<yorickpeterse> I have to go to the fucking dev console and *THERE* I can apparently create stuff
<yorickpeterse> +1 for the docs being incorrect
<yorickpeterse> "Can not create Apex Class on an active organization" FFFFFFFFF
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<yorickpeterse> I should probably get myself an inflatable baseball bat
<yorickpeterse> so I can either hit myself or a wall with it in these cases
<ljarvis> ...
<ljarvis> or a real one that we can all hit you with
<ljarvis> so you stfu
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<yorickpeterse> kinky
<yorickpeterse> I'd be up for that
<yorickpeterse> rawr
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<yorickpeterse> dat indentation
<ljarvis> derp
<ljarvis> is that python?
<ljarvis> dem no ends
<maloik_> just looks like bad copy pasting
<ljarvis> that is some bad code
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<yorickpeterse> well, it *is* Rails n shit
<yorickpeterse> it's not that bad though
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<joonty> 5 spaces eh?
<joonty> nice
<joonty> oh, unless it's 15
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<nofxx> What's the trick (or what I'm missing) to load the code relative, from lib, when I run bin/mygem , and works nice when installed from rubygems? Bad practice to $LOAD_PATH.unshift << lib ?
<drbrain> nofxx: require_relative
<drbrain> nofxx: plain require works if you ruby -Ilib bin/mygem
<nofxx> drbrain: bin/mygem just require_relative ?
<drbrain> $LOAD_PATH.unshift 'lib' is frowned upon
<drbrain> require_relative '../lib/mygem' from bin/mygem
<nofxx> drbrain: got it, thank you sir
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<yorickpeterse> http://www.omniref.com/ this is pretty neat
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<whitequark> http://www.omniref.com/?q=Parser::Current meh
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<yorickpeterse> it's stdlib only I think
<whitequark> nokogiri is stdlib now?
<whitequark> sass?
<whitequark> activerecord lol?
<yorickpeterse> hmmm
<yorickpeterse> didn't notice that
<whitequark> seems like someone just ran it over a typical rails installation
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<whitequark> yeah. rails & co, sass, haml, httparty, net-ssh, rspec, capistrano, ...
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<yorickpeterse> heh
<yorickpeterse> Capistrano
<yorickpeterse> bane of my existence
<yorickpeterse> besides all the others
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<manveru> #firstworldproblems
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<ljarvis> :D
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<ljarvis> oh
<ljarvis> i got there late
<ljarvis> dammit yorickpeterse
<yorickpeterse> 2fast4u
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<ljarvis> 2fast2yorick
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<yorickpeterse> that's what...wait
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<apeiros> but… how can we change the ruby version?
<ljarvis> please dont be silly apeiros
<ljarvis> does this look like the place to joke around
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<apeiros> hey, we still have a project on 1.8.4
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<apeiros> or was it even 1.8.2?
<apeiros> what was the current version when rails 1.2 was top-notch? :)
<ljarvis> rails 1.2 was top-notch?
<yxhuvud> ljarvis: for its time.
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<yxhuvud> apeiros: we have a similar rails 1.x legacy installation.
<yxhuvud> implementation touched once every two years or so
<apeiros> yxhuvud: I don't dare to touch it. we had to do a visual makeover (CI change) - I was happy I didn't have to do it…
<ljarvis> why not upgrade?
<ljarvis> back when it was viable
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<apeiros> ljarvis: I'm already on 150h+ overhours…
<apeiros> if you tell me where to steal the time…
<ljarvis> :D
<apeiros> the app runs
<apeiros> so we don't touch it
<ljarvis> fair 'nuff
<apeiros> if we ever have to touch it, we'll probably just rewrite from scratch
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<yxhuvud> same for us. if we have to make big changes, it will be scrapped.
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<nofxx> Back in the gem best practices, my bin/mygem 'require_relative ../lib/mygem' , lib/mygem should "require_relative mygem/others" too?
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<nofxx> and btw, autoload calls require_relative?
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<apeiros> nofxx: realize that rubygems puts lib in $LOAD_PATH
<ljarvis> yeah you dont need require_relative
<ljarvis> just use require
<ljarvis> and for testing locally, use ruby -Ilib bin/foo
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<nofxx> apeiros: thanks, ljarvis: double thanks
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<yorickpeterse> https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/ holy shit, I totally missed that they already picked a design
<imperator> i like it
<yorickpeterse> yeah it looks good
<headius> ahh nice, it's very clean
<headius> it's also the same layout every other impl has
<headius> or darn close
<headius> I suppose that's unfair…it's the same layout 99% of the world's websites have today
<yorickpeterse> heh
<yorickpeterse> some of the other submissions were also pretty cool
<headius> they should have HTML5ed it to death
<headius> flying ruby cats and a matz elf dancing around
<ljarvis> not just any cats!
<yorickpeterse> GORBYPUFF
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<yorickpeterse> wasn't very hard to get those on dotRB either
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<whitequark> is today a language homepage redesign day?
<headius> ahh yeah…ruby-lang.org needs 100% more gorby
<whitequark> there's new ocaml.org too
<headius> whitequark: hey guess what…I'm kb'ed from #rubinius now too
<headius> so it goes
<whitequark> headius: lol. why?
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<headius> I expressed my disapproval of their constantly bagging on ruby-core folks
<yorickpeterse> new ocaml website looks pretty neat too
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: lol of course the homepage lists a binary tree as an example
<yorickpeterse> not surprising
<headius> hah
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<whitequark> headius: read the logs... what is wrong with him?..
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: what's wrong with that? it's a nice example for a language built around data structures
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: it very clearly shows the target demographic, which I find somewhat funny (in a good way)
<headius> I like ocaml
<yorickpeterse> "Fuck hello world, BINARY TREES!"
<yorickpeterse> imagine ruby-lang.org showing a Rails example in only 2500 LOC
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: huh? the examples ruby-lang currently shows are on par with that
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<yorickpeterse> I know, but I've always seen Ocaml as more of an "academic" thing, binary trees kinda further strengthen that
<whitequark> well, it's really good with pattern matching and data types. makes sense to showcase that.
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<whitequark> plus the traditional hello world example isn't really meaningful
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<whitequark> → http://www.rust-lang.org/ rust's example is in this vein, too.
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<yorickpeterse> http://dlang.org/ and then there's D
<yorickpeterse> heh
<headius> I like rust
<yorickpeterse> I'm quite enjoying D so far
<headius> I used to like D but I think they missed the boat being commercial for so long
<yorickpeterse> walter bright somewhat reminds me of Dijkstra too
<yorickpeterse> headius: actually I think they might be having another shot now with Facebook showing interest
<headius> interesting
<yorickpeterse> granted I doubt it will be as big as Go
<yorickpeterse> (ever)
<whitequark> headius: I think ocaml is nearly optimal for symbolic computation and rust hits a similar sweet spot as a modern systems language
<headius> we've been looking for some interested individual to port our C/++-based "jruby" executable to something other than C/++
<headius> whitequark: agreed
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<yorickpeterse> headius: why exactly is it in C, for the MRI API?
<imperator> mauricio fernandez left ruby-land to do ocaml
<imperator> dude was extremely smart
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<imperator> wrote an image resizer in ocaml i think, among other things
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<headius> yorickpeterse: can't have a bash script in shebangs, so we publish a jruby-launcher gem that installs a native executable
<headius> that executable basically just does what the bash script does
<headius> it doesn't have to be C…it just has to be native
<whitequark> headius: sounds like rewriting it in non-C would be too much hassle
<headius> well, it's kinda gross
<yorickpeterse> headius: ah
<headius> it's a lateral move to be sure, but it would be easier to maintain
<whitequark> I mean, you have to install something completely foreign for building jruby then
<yorickpeterse> eh, can't you pre-compile it?
<yorickpeterse> you'd just ship the end binary
<yorickpeterse> "ZOMG STATIC BINARIIESSS!!!11" etc
<whitequark> yeah, I'm so going to run a binary from who knows where
<whitequark> and I'm not sure you want to prebuild it on Linux, OS X, *BSD and all other platforms you may want to support
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<whitequark> headius: maybe write a tiny C wrapper which will just exec a bash script?
<whitequark> combine the, uh, best of both worlds
<whitequark> or #!/usr/bin/env /bin/ls
<headius> yorickpeterse: certainly could, but it's pretty simple to build
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<headius> whitequark: yeah, I thought about that but there's no libbash and linking it in from executable confounded me
<whitequark> why link? just exec
<headius> oh, exec yeah… that's a possibility too
<headius> I think we did that at one point, thinking why we changed
<whitequark> isn't this exactly what you want?
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<headius> whitequark: but you can't put either of those in the shebang of e.g. foo.rb
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<whitequark> oh, right.
<headius> that's the need for native
<headius> I don't remember why we moved away from the exec version
<headius> I think it probably had to do with the external dep on bash not being ideal
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<whitequark> but you can rely on POSIX sh
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<headius> we've never managed to get a fully-functional port of jruby.bash to sh
<headius> many attempts by many people
<headius> the bash script also has to have a ton of hacks to handle all ruby command-line argument forms, quoting, etc
<whitequark> I see
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