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maloik >
guuuuu meurning
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Ch00k: which link is that exactly?
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maloik: Ruby 2.0.0-p247 (md5: c351450a0bed670e0f5ca07da3458a5b) Stable
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the link to 2.0.0 source
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maloik >
works fine here
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maloik: yep, works fine for me also now
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don't know, maybe a caching issue...
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maloik: or maybe someone just was a little bit faster in fixing it :)
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Ch00k: perhaps something in the tarball process failed (although I dunno if they make that on the fly)
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superdealloc >
Hi everyone! What's the standard to document C extensions that don't have any ruby code?
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superdealloc >
ie. RDoc, TomDoc? Any examples anyone can provide me with?
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superdealloc: rdoc doesnt require additional gems
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Hah, sorry, that's not what I meant.
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There's no ruby counterpart to those classes, it's all C code.
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superdealloc: Rdoc, and you can see how the standard c classes are documented by looking at the source code
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maloik >
hey zzak, just wondering if you got our arrrrcamp mail 'practical info' ? :-)
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let me check
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zzak >
i know i still need to find a place to stay, and on a tight budget
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maloik: totally!
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ljarvis: what day are you leaving for belgium?
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someone told me its cheaper to fly to london
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maloik >
if you're on a budget, check out flights to Charleroi as well
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maloik >
(and paris for that matter)
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maloik >
we advise people to fly into Brussels, simply because travel takes less time to Ghent, but if you're on a budget it may not be an option
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zzak >
tickets from london -> brussels are cheap
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zzak >
looks like i can save around $100 flying to london then brussels
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ljarvis >
zzak: I'm leaving wednesday evening
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(i have to work wednesday)
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i might be leaving sooner, idk yet
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maloik >
there's a geuze (beer) tour going on on wednesday if that's something you'd be interested in
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maloik >
starts in the morning though
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ljarvis >
morning beer tours, those are the best
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zzak >
i will probably have to work, and prepare for my talk :(
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maloik >
well by morning I mean 10am, and I believe they start in Ghent so by the time you get there it'll be 11 in the morning :P
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ljarvis >
zzak: im not arriving in ghent until 10pm wednesday D:
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ljarvis >
and leaving saturday evening
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zzak >
im leaving sometime between saturday and tuesday probably
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ljarvis >
how specific of you
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whitequark >
charliesome: ohai
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whitequark >
how are your mri adventures goin'?
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charliesome >
whitequark: yeah good
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charliesome >
fstrings are in trunk :)
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whitequark >
headius will be happy
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maloik >
I looked at that this morning, didn't even get it :(
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whitequark >
tell him :)
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charliesome >
whitequark: oh is that something he's been talking about?
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whitequark >
well duh, if you have a string literal in tight loop it means HELL YEAH ALLOCATIONS
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whitequark >
so you would hoist it out of the loop manually
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whitequark >
which is dumb.
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whitequark >
lolrubby
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whitequark >
Foundry has literals with prefixes and postfixes too
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whitequark >
which can lead to some weird ones
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ljarvis >
i dunno suffixes are weird to look at
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whitequark >
e.g. with fixed-point: 0x1024.AB_s32.32
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charliesome >
i'm gonna get a pull request together to rails making erb templates use fstrings for static strings
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whitequark >
honestly I would probably prefer it to be yet another %-string
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whitequark >
because you cannot really mark other things with this suffix
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whitequark >
so it doesn't make sense to make it like it could be combining, when it's not
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whitequark >
but I guess it's not a big deal
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zzak >
ljarvis: too many confs :(
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maloik >
anyone doing baruco btw ?
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charliesome >
whitequark: ok so
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charliesome >
with string suffixes, i made it consume all a-z chars after a string literal
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charliesome >
and raise an exception if any are invalid
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charliesome >
nobu changed that and made it stop as soon as it sees an invalid char
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whitequark >
did you ask him why/
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maloik >
ljarvis: last week you were calculating 1st/2nd monday of a given month... happen to have anything to do with Chronic?
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maloik >
noticed there's an issue open on github on just that subject
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maloik >
if it's not, I might take a look myself and see if I can figure out how to do that
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ljarvis >
maloik: ah, no nothing to do with Chronic
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ljarvis >
maloik: also if you dive into chronic, be sure to take weapons and supplies
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maloik >
ljarvis: uh oh :(
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maloik >
briefly glances over the code this morning, already had a hunch it wasn't what I'm used to
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whitequark >
maloik: perhaps also a suicide pill
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whitequark >
just in case you're captured
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ljarvis >
maloik: yeah, been working on a rewrite for a long time, there's a lot of bottlenecks
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maloik >
perhaps there's better projects to start contributing to a little bit then
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ljarvis >
if you want to do this as a contribution exercise then yeah, I'd say don't start with Chronic, it might kill your drive..
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ljarvis >
it's overly complex
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charliesome >
whitequark: not yet
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yorickpeterse >
question
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yorickpeterse >
what the fuck does "developer evangelist" mean?
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apeiros >
it means he uses the programmer bible to code
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yorickpeterse >
Like, I honestly have no idea what that title would mean regarding the work you'd do
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siberia >
believe it means programmers are so unapproachable that they created a new position to gopher in between them and regular people.
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ljarvis >
yorickpeterse: I have "Open Source evangelist" on my profile
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yorickpeterse >
WHAT DOES IT MEAN
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yorickpeterse >
Does it mean you go around ranting about how people should write more open sauce?
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yorickpeterse >
"THE 5TH COMMANDMENT IS THAT THOU SHALL WRITE THE OPEN SAUCE!!!111"
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yorickpeterse >
"SINNERS REPENT" etc
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ljarvis >
pretty much yes
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ljarvis >
I preach open source with the object of converting people
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yorickpeterse >
New title: "Open Source Missionary"
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ljarvis >
but to me, it works with open source
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ljarvis >
developer... not su much
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benlovell >
yorickpeterse: sferik is a "developer evangelist" at soundcloud, ask him :)
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banisterfiend >
yorickpeterse is that the same as developer advocate ?
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yorickpeterse >
yeah pretty much
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yorickpeterse >
or "partner at X"
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yorickpeterse >
what the fuck does that mean, that you're not employed but still hang around the office?
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yorickpeterse >
oh I'm not critizing the people, it's just that I honestly don't understand what the title would mean
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banisterfiend >
yorickpeterse he writes a tonne of blog posts demonstrating how to integrate different tools with kendo-ui
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yorickpeterse >
* criticiwwwwhatever
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banisterfiend >
backbone and so on
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yorickpeterse >
I guess "advocate" means you go around telling management to treat the devs like normaly people
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benlovell >
i guess most of the time it's a company wanting a 'name' to attract other hires
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yorickpeterse >
I'm so buying that
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banisterfiend >
yorickpeterse in derrick bailey's case, it's really just about communicating to the developer community about a particular product (kendo-ui), and explaining to devs how to use it effectively afaict, so it's a technical role rather than just airy-fairy feel-good stuff, it's not just cheerleading
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yorickpeterse >
banisterfiend: hm
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ljarvis >
herp derp
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yorickpeterse >
so basically you're a devmarketer (if we have to follow the same naming style as devops)
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yorickpeterse >
errr, devmarketeer
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benlovell >
synergy
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ljarvis >
pretty funny.. "most popular websites built with" rails vs django.. django is way more impressive
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yorickpeterse >
probably written by Django nerds
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ljarvis >
well yeah, the rails one was written by rails nerds
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yorickpeterse >
No but I mean the showcase
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ljarvis >
yeah that's what i mean too
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"While I love Rails and Ruby (and learned a ton from Railscasts), the future of the web is building a separate RESTful API + separate static JavaScript browser app + any other devices like mobile, Glass, etc (opposed to nesting client-side JS apps under assets)."
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yorickpeterse >
lol HN
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maloik >
decide to give twitter bootstrap a chance, go through their massive 'customize' page, download the result... turns out there's no sass version included
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maloik >
20min wasted
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maloik >
completely useless
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boytoy_ >
maloik: why do you need sass?
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boytoy_ >
like they say if your design is so complex it needs sass, it's probably not that good to begin with
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ljarvis >
your css doesn't need to be complex to use sass
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maloik: if you want sass, use bootstrap-sass?
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boytoy_ >
i dunno, to each his own
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boytoy_ >
or her own
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DefV >
maloik: we're using compass-twitter-bootstrap gem
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DefV: that's not up to date is it ?
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maloik >
besides, kind of defeats the purpose of having that customize page if I have to go and do it all over again in the sass code
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maloik >
like... you can customize your bootstrap setup, that's great... but who does it once and then never touches it again ? your colours are bound to change over time
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yorickpeterse >
Jesus. So Dutch is my primary language but it has reached this point where I'm more experienced in writing Emails in English opposed to in Dutch
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yorickpeterse >
probably because Dutch is a silly language too
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yorickpeterse: or the language most related to English
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boytoy_ >
heard some professor say it once
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maloik >
in a theoretic way perhaps
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maloik >
but it's not like the words are very similar, imo
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maloik >
afaik it's one of the languages with the most exceptions, just like english
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yorickpeterse >
Dutch and English are pretty different
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yorickpeterse >
Dutch borrows some words but that's it
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maloik >
I think it simply boils down to using English at the time
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yorickpeterse >
e.g the actual Dutch word for computer is "rekenaar" (= "calculator") but everybody just uses computer
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maloik >
I find myself having trouble coming up with certain words and having to go look up the translation from english to dutch
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yorickpeterse >
I'd say my primary language these days is English anyway
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80% of the time, even at work, I'm speaking English
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well like we're all merging into one race perhaps one day we'll all be speaking the same language as well ;)
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well according to Xkcd the Dutch will one day rule the planet again
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and mars
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yorickpeterse just curious, can you understand die antwoord lyrics when they sing in afrikaans?
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yorickpeterse >
Die antwoord, no, Afrikaans itself, usually
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maloik >
I dont personally get to hear a lot of Zuid Afrikaans, but when I do I only make out certain words
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yorickpeterse >
Afrikaans is basically Dutch from the 1600s but can be pretty tricky to understand
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maloik >
it's a... "funny" accent, that's really the only way to put it
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maloik >
very literal
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yorickpeterse >
heh, searching for YARV bytecode examples, find a SO answer from whitequark
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maloik >
an example: they call a surgeon "snijdokter", which means something like "cutting doctor"
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yorickpeterse >
heh
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yorickpeterse >
I'll just call my dentist "tandendokter" from now on
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boytoy_ >
maloik: is afrikaans influenced by african languages?
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maloik >
"trekdokter" :D
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maloik >
boytoy_: I have no idea
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maloik >
well, chances are it is, but to what extent I don't know
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maloik >
hard to imagine othewise
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boytoy_ >
yeah it would be strange if it wasn't
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boytoy_ >
you guys seen tsotsi (2005)?
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boytoy_ >
was my intro to afrikaans anyhow, great movie
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maloik: have you stayed at uppelink before or heard about it?
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herro
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yorickpeterse: what's up?
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not much, trying to find some decent resources on how to make a non fucked up bytecode format
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rindolf >
yorickpeterse: OK. :-)
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rindolf >
yorickpeterse: bytecode for a Turing-complete programming language?
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yorickpeterse >
yeah
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yorickpeterse >
for MyFirstProgrammingLanguage
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yorickpeterse >
The JVM's bytecode format is, well, huge
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dbussink >
yorickpeterse: writing your own vm?
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dbussink >
yorickpeterse: or just targeting something existing?
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yorickpeterse >
yah
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yorickpeterse >
My own for now
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dbussink >
yorickpeterse: language or vm then?
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yorickpeterse >
eh both. I'm writing my own VM for my own language
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dbussink >
ah, hehe
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dbussink >
yorickpeterse: all at once :P
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yorickpeterse >
yup
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yorickpeterse >
In C++, a language I'm not that familiar with
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yorickpeterse: you could talk to txus, he's been playing with that stuff a bunch
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yorickpeterse >
txus?
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dbussink >
yorickpeterse: hangs around in rbx, teaches the rails girls team writing their own language
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and wrote his own vm as well
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dbussink >
yorickpeterse: yeah
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yorickpeterse >
hmmm
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yorickpeterse >
this looks neat, thanks
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dbussink >
yorickpeterse: btw, i would do one and then the other ;)
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dbussink >
writing your own language / vm if you've never done before
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yorickpeterse >
meh, writing your own language in, for example, Ruby, isn't that hard
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yorickpeterse >
I also prefer shooting both my feet at the same time :)
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yorickpeterse >
oh I think I tried that course a while ago but never got around it due to lack of time
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yorickpeterse >
hmm
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yorickpeterse: ah, former colleague of mine did that one, was pretty heavy on course load yeah
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dbussink >
time wise
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yorickpeterse: i think that targets mips
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which is a reasonably simple assembly
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yorickpeterse: txus' terrorvm is in C, which should be fine as well
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yorickpeterse >
My main questions at this point are 1) what goes in the bytecode and what doesn't 2) the layout of instructions, etc
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yorickpeterse >
as in, I can come up with the basics such as flow control, stack management, yadyada, but it becomes more tricky with how to deal with variable assignments, literals, etc
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yorickpeterse >
Really comes down to finding some best practises I guess
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dbussink >
well, you can use stack based or register based
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yorickpeterse >
I was going with stack based since that's easier, at least for now
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yorickpeterse >
register based is something I'll look into when I want it to be truly webscale
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well, flow control is basically goto's :P
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stack management basically making sure you balance operations right
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yorickpeterse >
yeah, I kinda shivered at writing down "Flow control: jump/....goto"
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yorickpeterse >
que a raptor eating me
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yorickpeterse: that's generated from instructions
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and shows stack effects etc.
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dbussink >
some instructions push
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dbussink >
some pop
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yorickpeterse >
Yeah I had that one bookmarked
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the concept of literal table is basically a place where you store constant values
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yorickpeterse >
I also looked at the bytecode of Rbx in the past, which was pretty helpful for ruby-lint's development
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like a string or number in your source code
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KINGSABRI >
hi guys
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KINGSABRI >
is there anyway to read the current work in Readline before hit enter ?
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yorickpeterse >
Hm, don't think so
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KINGSABRI >
yorickpeterse: I'm trying to find a way to get sub command for particular command already in and array :(
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KINGSABRI >
there are no many topic about Readline :( ,, even documetation is bad
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yorickpeterse >
sub command?
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KINGSABRI >
assume I have a list of tab complete words
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I need to make tab complete list for particular word in main list
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and this is based on whatever the user is typing?
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I think readline does have some autocomplete stuff builtin
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KINGSABRI >
you'll find a list
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KINGSABRI >
assume I need to make sublist for "download" word
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KINGSABRI >
like download file ,,
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funny libedit detection ideas. I usually just checked Readline::VERSION
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KINGSABRI >
and file should be tab complete
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KINGSABRI: you can probably do some by expanding the behaviour of the autocomplete proc
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e.g. if the input value matches "download" look in a different list than you'd normally would
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apeiros: I just use a proper OS :>
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one that funny enough now has a bug where the "R" in certain cases vanishes
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apeiros >
yorickpeterse: pfff, I use readline on osx just fine
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apeiros >
afaik they don't ship with readline for some stupid licensing issue
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apeiros >
yoickpetese? :D
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wonders how that'd be pronounced in english
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yorickpeterse >
"yojkpete's" or something like that
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KINGSABRI >
I'm using linux ,, I thing I should work fine
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apeiros >
"yoick peeteesee" :)
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that somehow sounds a bit like a Korean trying to pronounce my name, at least from my experience
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though I think the soju might've had a part in that
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lol, so I googled for "iwlwifi bugtracker"
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I think that at least shows I'm not the only one having these issues
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yorickpeterse: are you folks going to arrrcamp next month?
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yorickpeterse: let me know if you are, im looking for a place to crash
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just pm me or whatever
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eh shit, I still need to consider going or not
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I also don't live exactly close so I would be booking a hotel
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Can someone help me understand what <ruby-prefix> is exactly referring to on the "Understanding Binstubs" rbenv wiki?
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Nevermind, I am thinking it is .rbenv/versions/<ruby-prefix>
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