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<maloik>
s/cloud/butt
<gnufied>
maloik: running mavericks?
<maloik>
yes
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<andrewvos>
yorickpeterse: Aww man I don't miss homebrew
<andrewvos>
aptitude makes me happy
<andrewvos>
yorickpeterse: Got a full dev box running perfectly now
<andrewvos>
yorickpeterse: Like, everything just works
<andrewvos>
<3 ubuntu
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<yorickpeterse>
until it breaks
<yorickpeterse>
but yeah, lol homebrew
<yorickpeterse>
install in /usr/local, fix permissions to a single user
<yorickpeterse>
MAKES SENSE
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<yorickpeterse>
also holy shit, the Mongoid codebase is a maze
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<ljarvis>
ur a maze
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<andrewvos>
ljarvis: I looked out of my 18th floor window today and literally could not see a thing
<ljarvis>
andrewvos: yeah so foggy
<andrewvos>
hahah
<ljarvis>
even my ground floor window was the same
<andrewvos>
ljarvis: Pretty scary man
<andrewvos>
clearing a bit now, but that shit was not cool man
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<yorickpeterse>
Ah, so that's where our fog went
<andrewvos>
DEY TUK OUR FOOG
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<yorickpeterse>
enjoy it suckers
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<gnufied>
your a maze
<andrewvos>
gnufied: Wow man you got here late for that one
<gnufied>
its never too late to respond to a yorickrant
<yorickpeterse>
dat's wut ur mum said m8
<andrewvos>
i'll av u
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<ljarvis>
shut it u fuckin priks
<ljarvis>
also
<yorickpeterse>
#chav-lang
<yorickpeterse>
well I think I just found a name for an esoteric programming language
<ljarvis>
im using permutations and would like the output to include the same values as a permutation, is there an easy way to do that without messing with another loop? ie [1,2].permutations(2) would return [1, 2] [2, 1] but I also want [1, 1], [2, 2]
<yorickpeterse>
hm, then it wouldn't be a true permutation
<ljarvis>
correct
<yorickpeterse>
that would probably be a two step process: 1) generate the permutation 2) add pairs for every value
<ljarvis>
so i guess i need a permutation and then merge existing values too
<ljarvis>
yeah
<ljarvis>
heh
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<matti>
yorickpeterse: ;]
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<ljarvis>
meeehhh, arr.map { |x| [x, x] } + arr.permutation(2).to_a will do
<ljarvis>
ugly ass
<gnufied>
a.zip(a) + a.permutation(2).to_a
<ljarvis>
also, fuck you ruby for "TypeError: can't convert Enumerator into Array"
<ljarvis>
gnufied: ooo good idea
<yorickpeterse>
(data migration, not a DB structure one)
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<yorickpeterse>
awww yiss, managed to get a migration to run in about 2 minutes instead of > 30
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<lolmaus>
I'm good in HTML and CSS/SASS. I know the basics of Ruby and client-side JS. I would like to try AngularJS, but i can't decide which backend to use. Rails seems to be an overkill, as i only need serving JSON via REST and some very minimal HTML for Google crawler and old IEs. I don't want Node-based stuff (e. g. Express) because it has an extremely entering threshold. Please suggest an
<lolmaus>
appropriate backend.
<lolmaus>
I'm sure Rails is great for Angular if you know Rails already. But i'm concerned that Rails' extensive capabilities of generating HTML (that i completely don't need) will be a huge obstacle for me in the process of learning those Rails basics that i do need for Angular (e. g. the notorious MVC concept). Every Rails book and tutorial is HTML-centric. :(
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<jrobeson>
there are plenty of tutorials just for angular.js or ember.js for rails lolmaus
<lolmaus>
jrobeson, but is Rails really the only good choice?
<jrobeson>
i doubt it
<jonathanmarvens>
lolmaus: IMHO, the threshold for Node.js isn't really that high.
<yorickpeterse>
If you just want to shit JSON there's no point in Rails
<yorickpeterse>
Use something like Sinatra for that instead, it's hells faster
<andrewvos>
YES USE SINATRA
<yorickpeterse>
and easier to get up and running
<jonathanmarvens>
lolmaus: Yeah, use Sinatra, or try PHP (with Laravel or Slim).
<jrobeson>
i wouldn't recommend slim..
<jrobeson>
silex would be better
<jonathanmarvens>
jrobeson: And why is that?
<jrobeson>
because silex has a better design
<jonathanmarvens>
jrobeson: Example?
<jrobeson>
and is based on battle tested reusable components
<lolmaus>
yorickpeterse, andrewvos, now we're talking. The problem with Sinatra is that Sinatra is not a framework. Using pure Sinatra will doom me into reinventing the wheel dozens of times.
<jrobeson>
seems pretty obvious
<jrobeson>
lolmaus, padrino
<canton7>
lolmaus, in what way will you be reinventing the wheel?
<andrewvos>
lolmaus: That's not really true at all
<jrobeson>
padrino is a framework built on sinatra
<jrobeson>
jonathanmarvens, look at the components silex is made up of.. and you tell me .. :)
<jrobeson>
it's pretty clear
<jrobeson>
perhaps not as decoupled as aura components
<gnufied>
I have found grape + rails to be pretty good solution
<gnufied>
or even grape + activerecord
<jrobeson>
i was going to play with grape next
<jonathanmarvens>
jrobeson: I've used both. They're both really great frameworks. You're right though that Symfony's battle-tested components are an advantage :) .
<jrobeson>
not just battle tested, but the design is proven.. by the same components being used in multiple frameworks
<lolmaus>
canton7, andrewvos, writing a web app with only Sinatra is almost like writing it in pure Ruby. You'll have to create your own MVC, own DB atapter, own user permissions, etc.
<jrobeson>
at least some of them are relevant :)
<jrobeson>
lolmaus, did you look at padrino?
<jonathanmarvens>
jrobeson: True to some extent, but let's leave that conversation for #laravel or something :) .
<canton7>
lolmaus, huh? You get to use your favourite libraries for each of those
<andrewvos>
lolmaus: I feel like you're asking a question and when I'm answering you're trying to teach me something?
<lolmaus>
jrobeson, not yet. I've heard about it and was waiting for someone to mention it.
<jrobeson>
using libraries isn't the problem.. it's building a nice integration layer on top
<jonathanmarvens>
lolmaus: Well, you know MVC is just a pattern right? You don't always have to use it.
<yorickpeterse>
lolmaus: you need a framework for JSON?
<lolmaus>
andrewvos, i'm just explaining my point
<yorickpeterse>
it really is just `JSON(data-here)`, done
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<yorickpeterse>
you can still use ActiveRecord and friends and what not
<jrobeson>
lolmaus, using rails would be for for prototyping your app ..
<jonathanmarvens>
lolmaus: I've used micro-frameworks like Sinatra just fine with no MVC.
<jrobeson>
then if it's still too big you can always down size
<jrobeson>
if it's proven you don't use most of it
<jrobeson>
but padrino might fit the bill right away
<jrobeson>
i haven't acdtually looked at it in more than reading the blurb on the page though..
<jrobeson>
you should give it a try
<jrobeson>
see what you miss
<yorickpeterse>
"own DB adapter" that's BS
<lolmaus>
yorickpeterse, i need a framework to conveniently organize that data. I'll have users and content and all the usual stuff. As i'm a newbie, doing everything by hand will produce spaghetti code. I would like to use a framework that imposes certain code organization/structure, so that i don't mess it up.
<jrobeson>
then just use rails..
<jrobeson>
and/or padrino..
<yorickpeterse>
If you're new, sure stick with Rails
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<andrewvos>
lolmaus: It sounds like you already have decided on rails
<yorickpeterse>
if you're experienced and want a webscale API, fuck no use something else
<jonathanmarvens>
lolmaus: Yeah, just use Ruby on Rails then.
<jrobeson>
lolmaus, was worried that all the tutorials focused on the html stuff and not api stuff and not using angular
<jrobeson>
i think that just means your search queries need to be more specific
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<jrobeson>
because there are tons of tutorials for that and ember
<jonathanmarvens>
lolmaus: But if you're a newbie, I'd actually advise giving PHP a shot and using something like Laravel ... way way way easier to pick up then Ruby on Rails.
<jrobeson>
and/or backbone
<yorickpeterse>
NO
<yorickpeterse>
DONT USE
<yorickpeterse>
PHP
<yorickpeterse>
NEVER
<jrobeson>
yorickpeterse, you'rea feisty one that's for sure
<yorickpeterse>
That's like the worst fucking advice to give any newbie
<jonathanmarvens>
yorickpeterse: Bullshit.
<jonathanmarvens>
yorickpeterse: Why not?
<jrobeson>
jonathanmarvens, based on idling in this channel.. i wouldn't test yorickpeterse
<yorickpeterse>
Because the language at it's very code teaches everything that's bad
<lolmaus>
jrobeson, you got my point. ^_^
<yorickpeterse>
* core
<yorickpeterse>
Don't make me link to the famous rant
<jrobeson>
lolmaus, there are plenty of tutorials
<lolmaus>
Okay, i'll try Padrino first.
<jrobeson>
yorickpeterse, but that rant isn't completely true.. and becomes less and less true on the important points
<yorickpeterse>
jrobeson: it's still very, very much true
<yorickpeterse>
don't be fooled
<jrobeson>
i code in php somewhat often and keep up with the language development
<jrobeson>
so i'm pretty familiar
<jrobeson>
stuff like function naming and argument order differences won't likely be fixed ..
<jonathanmarvens>
yorickpeterse: Like what? PHP has evolved my friend. Yeah, it has its problems (and a good amount), but that's about every language.
<andrewvos>
yorickpeterse: I feel like we're being trolled by a team of professionals.
<yorickpeterse>
I've coded it for around 4 years, I know enough to hate it
<jrobeson>
andrewvos, i code in php and ruby (and sometimes python).. i don't like php very much
<jonathanmarvens>
yorickpeterse: Most of the problems most people had with PHP have been long fixed since 5.3 and 5.4.
<yorickpeterse>
again, go read that
<jrobeson>
i think the only one on the list that seriously messes with me is the bad coercing
<jonathanmarvens>
yorickpeterse: I've read that, but I don't make up my mind from reading other people's opinions. I make up my mind from experience.
<jrobeson>
that's the only one that i really feel bad about
<darix>
jonathanmarvens: and the language is still inconsistent
<yorickpeterse>
jonathanmarvens: then you haven't seen enough PHP to hate it
<jrobeson>
i've coded in php on and off since 2001 :(
<yorickpeterse>
I'm not going to rant about it here because I have to eat lunch but seriously, if you recommend PHP to a newbie to actually learn something stop coding right now
<jrobeson>
it was better than perl for what i wanted..
<jonathanmarvens>
yorickpeterse: Oh, I've seen enough PHP. Like WordPress' codebase ... yuck. However, as I said, the language itself has evolved.
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<ljarvis>
21>> RUBY_VERSION
<jrobeson>
it's still too easy to write crap
<ljarvis>
aw
<andrewvos>
PHP sympathisers
<jrobeson>
not that ruby is tons better..
<darix>
jonathanmarvens: just a recent example: isset($a[0]) -> no warning | !is_null$a[0]) -> generates a warning ... they are essentially doing the same thing
<darix>
silly things like that.
<jrobeson>
they aren't essentially doing the same thing..
<darix>
ruby or python are good languages for teaching programming imho
<jrobeson>
i rarely use is_niull
<jrobeson>
darix, i recommend python..
<jonathanmarvens>
darix: I totally understand and agree with you, but you should also remember that you can't completely break the language. These are definitely interesting concerns, but they're known and will be fixed at some point.
<jrobeson>
i think python is better than pretty well any other teaching language
<jonathanmarvens>
jrobeson: A lot of stuff just can't be fixed yet and will most likely be fixed in PHP 6 (whenever that comes around ... LOL). I mostly agree with you though. My only point is that we can find faults in just about every language.
<darix>
yeah you need vim with X support
<darix>
andrewvos: osx or linux?
<andrewvos>
yorickpeterse: I got that
<yorickpeterse>
andrewvos: sec, I'll show a fix
<yorickpeterse>
andrewvos: because Linux has N clipboards
<darix>
andrewvos: vim-nox ?
<andrewvos>
:) == :(
<andrewvos>
darix: Seems I need xterm_clipboard compiled in. Yes vim-nox
<andrewvos>
darix: ubuntu
<jonathanmarvens>
jrobeson: For example, just as you mentioned how `\` bother you in PHP, I can tell you that it truly bothers me that Ruby allows optional parentheses because they sometimes have side-effects.
<jonathanmarvens>
Alrighty, I'm done :) .
<jrobeson>
well "there is more than one way to do things" in ruby
<jrobeson>
you'd probably enjoy python more
<yorickpeterse>
andrewvos: the command is some weird one, hold on
<yorickpeterse>
It's in my muscle memory but I can't actually remember it
<jrobeson>
yorickpeterse, clipboard unnamed? hmm
<jrobeson>
i'll try to remember that
<jonathanmarvens>
jrobeson: "there is more than one way to do things" - that bothers me too! Yes, I heart Python.
<andrewvos>
yorickpeterse: "+y
<yorickpeterse>
andrewvos: "+y for copying
<yorickpeterse>
yeah
<yorickpeterse>
and "+p for pasting
<andrewvos>
yorickpeterse: Doesn't work in terminal vim though
<andrewvos>
I should probably compile from source or something
<andrewvos>
meh
<yorickpeterse>
nope
<yorickpeterse>
hold on
<yorickpeterse>
andrewvos: for one make sure TERM is != "xterm"
<yorickpeterse>
e.g. runner.create_new_connections(args[:file])
<yorickpeterse>
runner.close
<yorickpeterse>
gah fuck wrong
<yorickpeterse>
export TERM='screen-256color'
<yorickpeterse>
that
<yorickpeterse>
fixes some colouring too
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<yorickpeterse>
Other than that you should be able to copy-paste stuff properly in the terminal too
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<naquad>
i have a collection [1, 2, 3, 4] and i want some method that will return me first non nil result of block. kind of [1, 2, 3, 4].xxx {|t| t.even? && t + 1} => 3
<ljarvis>
find
<ichilton>
Anyone around know capistrano?
<naquad>
ljarvis, nope
<naquad>
find will return *element*
<naquad>
i need block result
<andrewvos>
yorickpeterse: Yeah got that
<apeiros>
naquad: split it
<naquad>
ichilton, and whats your quesion?
<andrewvos>
yorickpeterse: Apparently I need vim-gnome
<yorickpeterse>
ha
<apeiros>
ary.find { |t| t.even? } + 1
<ljarvis>
^
<yorickpeterse>
also worth installing is xclip
<apeiros>
naquad: not that difficult
<naquad>
apeiros, won't do. this was just an example
<naquad>
mapping is not possible
<naquad>
it'll break stuff
<yorickpeterse>
so you can do stuff like `echo "copy me nerd" | xclip -selection clipboard`
<apeiros>
naquad: will do, unless your example has nothing to do with your real case, and then it's a useless example.
<malusalexandru>
any opinion regarding this issue?
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<toretore>
malusalexandru: this is not a ruby issue. try ##javascript or #css
<maloik>
(nor do I see an issue there?)
<toretore>
or #rubyonrails
<malusalexandru>
output is an empty field, clicked should have opened the datepicker, instead it does nothing
<malusalexandru>
but thank you for the feedback, will try on those channels
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<yorickpeterse>
6 minutes until I have to run my migration of 320K rows on production
<yorickpeterse>
oh boy
<yorickpeterse>
I swear to god if Mongo fucks up
<lupine>
hey, at least it's not couch
<yorickpeterse>
not sure if that's a good thing
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<maloik>
gl yorickpeterse :-)
<yorickpeterse>
well, here we go
<yorickpeterse>
leeroooy
<maloik>
ljarvis: is that train bed yours ?
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<jonathanmarvens>
yorickpeterse: "hey, at least it's not couch" - I swear I read that as "hey, at least it's not a couch" ... LOL.
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<maloik>
yorickpeterse: why would you have to benchmark that ?
<yorickpeterse>
Because we're moving away from it and I want some solid numbers so we can compare old/new
<yorickpeterse>
it also allows us to calculate cost reductions/increases, etc
<yorickpeterse>
I want to go down to the point where I can get the cost per single job we process (in our daemons in that case)
<yorickpeterse>
That's pretty hard though since we use spot instances for a large part, their prices change every hour
<maloik>
hmm suppose you're just dealing with something entirely different than us
<maloik>
we don't have to worry about that at all
<yorickpeterse>
We're moving to a completely new deployment platform, better have some numbers to actually justify it beyond "it's faster, because stuff"
<maloik>
happy I don't have to deal with hierarchy other than 'can I have a day off' :-)
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<yorickpeterse>
CTO's rough estimate was that we can save around 30% of our hosting costs this way
<yorickpeterse>
it's about "did we actually gain anything out of this financially/time wise"
<yorickpeterse>
It has nothing to do with hierarchy
<maloik>
by changing the way you deploy ?
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<yorickpeterse>
Yes
<yorickpeterse>
It leads to the ability to scale up/down much more aggressively, meaning we can shut down instances a lot faster
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<maloik>
thats insane
<yorickpeterse>
You pay per hour on AWS, so if you run something 1 hour and 5 minutes you pay for 2 full hours
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<lupine>
even for cloud hosting, amazon is pricey
<lupine>
if you've got a reasonable baseline load, you can start comparing it to proper hosting, at which point it looks even pricier
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<yorickpeterse>
depends on how you host things
<yorickpeterse>
it's super expensive for just running some VPS cranking out some blag
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<yorickpeterse>
it becomes interesting when you buy into the whole package
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<lupine>
I'm sure there's a few cases where it's competitive
<lupine>
it's impossible to be that uniformly bad at pricing
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<naquad>
is there some kind of protection from indirect recursion? i've got a method that calls another method in another object and it can call my method again. currently i've added a guard variable, but it doesn't look to be a good solution
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<maloik>
I'm just trying out chruby for the first time (coming from rvm) and while the version switching seems to be working it doesn't appear to work with bundler and/or pow
<maloik>
anyone have any expierience with that ?
<maloik>
experience*
<breakingthings>
without going into it, assuming that you had bundler and pow running before, you're probably now in possession of two different ruby installs, where bundler and pow are on the system ruby and you are trying to use your chruby install that doesn't have those. Reinstall those gems.
<breakingthings>
and etc.
<maloik>
freshly installed machine, rvm isn't on this machine no more
<maloik>
im on mavericks so only had 2.0.0 installed, then got chruby and now have both 2.0.0 and 1.9.3 in /opt/rubies (or similar folder)
<maloik>
but I suppose it's possibly that bundler or pow are using system ruby, but question is how do I change that behaviour ?
<maloik>
surely I'm not the first one to try that combination
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<csaunders>
might just be a path issue
<havenwood>
maloik: Whatever Ruby you set chruby to point at will be the bundler you're getting.
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<maloik>
ooh
<maloik>
I missed that somehow
<maloik>
lets see
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<maloik>
says the profile.d script doesnt even exist
<havenwood>
maloik: That would be if you setup chruby with profile.d. If you used a .bashrc or .zshrc file point it to that instead.
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<maloik>
I've changed it to source /usr/local/share/chruby/chruby.sh
<maloik>
which does exist
<maloik>
suppose that's the one I want
<maloik>
still not doing the right thing though
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<havenwood>
maloik: The wiki could be made more clear there, will fix. What is expected in the file is: source /usr/local/share/chruby/chruby.sh
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<maloik>
right, I managed to figure that out at least, yay me
<maloik>
now if that doesn't work, what else should I check ?
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<maloik>
whereis ruby says /usr/bin/ruby is that even the correct one ?
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<havenwood>
maloik: Hop over to #chruby? Seems you need to get it setup.
<maloik>
oh my bad didn't realize there was that channel
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<maloik>
zzak: are you actually involved in that contest ?
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<maloik>
in any case, my 2 cents: if you compare it to a developer participating in something like this, it'd be providing a full-on solution to a problem not knowing if it will be accepted
<maloik>
there's a difference between creating a fork on a project based on your own needs and submitting it for other people to use then get rejected
<maloik>
the proper way forward is opening this up to be handled as an open source project, perhaps with someone taking the lead via wireframes or sketches or something
<maloik>
I reckon some designers WANT to get involved in open source (Jon Gold wrote an article on this, I believe on Medium, and people seemed to repsond very well)
<maloik>
so while it may be an entirely different task of actually getting designers to contribute, such a contest probably won't deliver the best results and will hurt people the same way other spec work does
<maloik>
</rant>
<maloik>
man, I need a blog
<maloik>
actually I need to get off my ass and write :(
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<maloik>
although upon looking closely it's headed in the right direction, it just comes off as being spec work
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<devn>
hey everybody -- is there a reason why ruby's range can't handle a negative step?
<devn>
is that something I could submit a patch for?
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<devn>
ive never really looked into the contribution process. could someone point me in the right direction?
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<darix>
devn: as this kind of changes the design of the range class
<darix>
other implementations like jruby, rubinius might join the discussion
<darix>
devn: well then start a thread on the ml for starters
<devn>
it's clear it's intended to work this way given (3..-1).step(-1).to_a throws an error explaining negative steps aren't supported
<devn>
cool, will do
<devn>
i think ill write a patch first
<devn>
and lead with that
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<zzak>
maloik: ?
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<zzak>
i'm not directly involved in judging or anything
<maloik>
aight :)
<maloik>
I mailed the address they mentioned
<maloik>
wonder if I'll get anything back
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<zzak>
:D
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<naquad>
how do i execute a block within given object context? instance_eval & instance_exec are not an option because block can take arguments *and* another block
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<toretore>
instance_eval{ block[*a, &b] }
<naquad>
got that and it doesn't work :(
<naquad>
in block self = main
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<toretore>
oh right
<toretore>
nm
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<toretore>
what are you doing with it anyway?
<naquad>
i have a dsl
<naquad>
f*ck, i hate ruby dsls. they seem to be nice and awesome until you open the trunk
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<toretore>
yup, that's how it works
<toretore>
try to be more explicit, it's usually better that way
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<toretore>
even if it's not as "pretty"
<naquad>
the problem is that being explicit in this case will kill whole idea
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<Veejay>
Hello everyone. I wanted to know if there's a way to turn some_auth(@user, @provider) into some_auth(@user).for(provider: @provider) (sorry if I've asked the very same question 2 minutes ago, can't remember if it was here or another channel)
<Veejay>
The first version works in my code, no worries, just curious to see if there's a way in Ruby to create the second version (that I find visually pleasing)
<chris2>
Veejay: return an intermediate object?
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<toretore>
Veejay: clean code > visually pleasing
<toretore>
usually the former suffers when you focus on the latter
<Veejay>
toretore: I won't change my code
<imperator>
omg, def foo now returns a symbol!
<imperator>
that only took 10 years
<Veejay>
I am literally just curious
<toretore>
should return a Method :(
<mistym>
Prefix every `def` with a puts and annoy the hell out of users of my code
<imperator>
toretore, whoa, one step at a time ;)
<toretore>
Veejay: like chris2 said, just return an object that responds to "for"
<imperator>
maybe in another 10 years
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<Veejay>
toretore, chris2: OK
<Veejay>
Kind of not the magic I was expecting though. I want my money back.
<Veejay>
j/k thx guys
<toretore>
imperator: mostly joking, i know we won't have first class functions in ruby
<toretore>
(whish is what i was implying)
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<naquad>
how do i walk through all objects currently instantiated?
<naquad>
i mean literally all
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<chris2>
ObjectSpace.each_object
<naquad>
tried that
<chris2>
and dont ;)
<naquad>
didn't work out
<naquad>
i've literally lost a method
<naquad>
it is defined, but i don't know where
<imperator>
toretore, it actually first came up in may, 2001
<chris2>
perhaps gced?
<naquad>
no
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<chris2>
uh, methods arent objects?
<toretore>
^
<naquad>
true
<toretore>
but they could be!
<chris2>
toretore: at the cost of having to write foo() :/
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<toretore>
yeah
<chris2>
sucks too :)
<naquad>
still doesn't find it :\ ObjectSpace.each_object(Method) do |o| puts o if o.name == :xyz! end
<toretore>
it's either exposed properties or hidden methods
<toretore>
naquad: it's not supposed to
<naquad>
well then how should that work?
<chris2>
naquad: iterate over all modules and check
<chris2>
(does that find singleton classes? it should...)
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<naquad>
hell
<naquad>
it went to Objects private methods
<chris2>
yep
<chris2>
defined on toplevel?
<naquad>
still can't figure out how did this happen? i've got method definition in block. block is rebound to given object and only then executed
<chris2>
with def?
<naquad>
yes
<naquad>
def xyz! 1 end
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<chris2>
is run bfore the block runs, no?...
<Veejay>
toretore: Ended implementing this with an AuthenticationRequest object that gets filled with success chained methods who tap into the AuthRequest object, works great
<naquad>
i've tried in IRB, it doesn't look like
<chris2>
dont try such stuff in irb
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<toretore>
Veejay: congrats. and eww ;)
<imperator>
String#scrub, heh
<imperator>
i wonder what constitutes "garbage bytes"
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<chris2>
imperator: invalid utf8 eg
<imperator>
ooh, Socket.getifaddrs, that's nice
<imperator>
tried to implement something similar myself, but oof, cross-platform issues made it mad hard
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<imperator>
bignums are now 128 bit, intawesting
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<Veejay>
In English, do you execute a request? Do you formulate it?
<toretore>
first you formulate, then execute ;)
<toretore>
:) i mean
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<toretore>
but probably execute
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<Veejay>
Thanks
<toretore>
well, it's not that clear either i think.. but in computation it's usually execute
<toretore>
<- not a native speaker
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<toretore>
or if you're the receiving side, process
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<imperator>
chris2, i guess i'm curious how it will work with different encodings
<imperator>
or rather, my initial reaction is to not trust it
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<imperator>
oh, bignum is now using libgmp behind the scenes
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<drbrain>
imperator: I requested Socket.getifaddrs for IPv6 multicast
<drbrain>
akr implemented it
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<imperator>
drbrain, nice
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<drbrain>
I also updated Rinda to work on multicast (IPv4 and IPv6) and added Resolv::MDNS for one-shot MDNS resolution
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