apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p247: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p448) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<a1ph4g33k> drbrain, ( as I have for months ) I wish I could make it to SeattleRB tonight ... hard with my commute but hoping to join you one of these days.
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<maloik> waddup folks
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<gnufied> not bad
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<andrewvos> yo
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<yorickpeterse> So we're using this god awful jQuery tooltip plugin right
<yorickpeterse> it has this in it:
<yorickpeterse> if (!$("head").length) {$(document.body).before("<head></head>");}
<yorickpeterse> I have no idea
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<maloik> yorickpeterse: no idea about what ?
<yorickpeterse> about why that would be a good idea to put in a darn tooltip library
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<gnufied> lol
<maloik> w3c validation!
<gnufied> fix the HTML
<yorickpeterse> it also hijacks body.onMouseUp so I can't actually submit any forms in this tooltip
<maloik> xD
<yorickpeterse> since it then closes the tooltip
<yorickpeterse> though it seems I can hijack it back
<maloik> all of those plugins are such a mess
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<maloik> like... they work at one point, and thne a while later you take another look and everything broke
<yorickpeterse> https://github.com/archan937/raccoon_tip scumbag in question
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<maloik> HAJA :D
<maloik> HAHA*
<whitequark> oh that is a famous gif
<maloik> ljarvis: you did send them a mail after I told you about the credit card charging stuff ?
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<yorickpeterse> haha foursquare API is down
<yorickpeterse> How do we know? Well, because we're apparently trying to parse their server error pages as JSON
<yorickpeterse> kik
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<ljarvis> maloik: yup
<ljarvis> maloik: they suck
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<ljarvis> maloik: is the hotel a shit hole or something?
<ljarvis> (it looks nice online)
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<maloik> ljarvis: I dunno I don't think so
<maloik> they're probably old fashioned or just bad with email
<maloik> the guy was really friendly and helpful on the phone
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<ljarvis> ok cool
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: what's the hotel name?
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<yorickpeterse> SimpleDB is wack
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<zzak> ljarvis: i have a feeling ghent is a super nice town
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<gnufied> zzak, hey you wanted to speak at GCRC ?
<zzak> gnufied: yeah! :D
<gnufied> ha ha. I am one of the sucky organizers
<gnufied> saw your DM bit late though
<zzak> gnufied: np, prakash contacted me too
<gnufied> if you think you can manage on your budget, it would be super awesome
<gnufied> being first time conf, we are bit tight!
<gnufied> we don't have riches of rubyconfindia
<gnufied> :D
<yorickpeterse> you guys remember that time I spent about 2 weeks setting up Jenkins and what not?
<gnufied> I would still request you to send your proposal when we announce RFP
<yorickpeterse> well I just somehow lost about 2 weeks of that
<yorickpeterse> Everything but the list of projects and users just vanished
<yorickpeterse> YAY
<gnufied> yorickpeterse: someone trashed the machine?
<zzak> gnufied: sounds good, i'll see what i can do
<yorickpeterse> gnufied: I have honestly no idea, all that happened was that it was re-imaged but that shouldn't result in a data loss
<yorickpeterse> especially considering it has been re-imaged before
<gnufied> ugh, sucks
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<gnufied> it seemed like lot of work
<yorickpeterse> yeah it was
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<ledestin> did you know there's Kernel#Array method
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<gnufied> yep
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<erikh> ReinH: hello
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<zzakh> hi
<zzakh> erikh: are you going to any confs this fall?
<erikh> heh
<erikh> I don't really do cons
<rue_XIW> Long cons
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<zzakh> me either
<zzakh> too mainstream
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<pellis> anyone has a good understanding of forking-process and connection management in active record?
<pellis> do i still need the before_fork and after_fork stuff in rails 3.2+ ?
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<erikh> zzakh: lol
<erikh> nah, I tend to get a little burnt out by all the socializing
<erikh> that and it tends to cost a lot of dough.
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<ljarvis> this
<zzakh> erikh: arent you in the bay? there are always confs there, so at least travel would be cheap
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<erikh> yeah but like I said
<erikh> I'm not a very social person I guess
<zzakh> erikh: im not either, it takes a lot of energy
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<ljarvis> bahhh
<ledestin> what's ->? no googling helps
<ljarvis> this week is not a good week
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<ljarvis> ledestin: proc
<ljarvis> >> -> {}
<eval-in> ljarvis => #<Proc:0x414a11e0@/tmp/execpad-fdc3319568a6/source-fdc3319568a6:2 (lambda)> (https://eval.in/49139)
<ljarvis> ledestin: google 'ruby stabby proc'
<ljarvis> sorry, lambda, rather
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<erikh> lambda actually
<ljarvis> (I would rather it was a proc)
<erikh> (and they are different)
<ljarvis> fuck
<ljarvis> 16:16 < ljarvis> sorry, lambda, rather
<ljarvis> 16:17 < erikh> lambda actually
<ljarvis> derp
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<erikh> lol
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<erikh> ok, I need to go
<ljarvis> go lrn2vacation
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<erikh> no kidding
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<xuser> I try to avoid procs and yield and just use lambdas everywhere
<chris2> (eww)
<canton7> ouchy. half the point of procs is that return gets scoped as you'd expect
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<ledestin> ljarvis: thanks
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<xuser> canton7: really? I find that annoying
<canton7> so in any other language, if you have a for loop, and you return inside it, the return does what you expect?
<ljarvis> that's not really the same thing
<canton7> ..but yet, in ruby if you pass a lambda to Array#each, and return from the lambda *that* does that you expect too?
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<canton7> my point is that blocks often replace normal control structures in other languages. 'return' in those other languages exits both the control structure and the method itself. therefore 'return' with a ruby block should do the same
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<banisterfiend> xuser i use 'next' instead of return (when i want local returns), and generally stick to procs. IMO ruby doesn't even need lambdas
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<banisterfiend> the only reason i use lambdas is because the -> syntax is so cute
<banisterfiend> :))
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<banisterfiend> (but i wish it defined procs rather than lambdas)
<darix> banisterfiend: can you convert a lambda to a proc?
<banisterfiend> darix not in pure ruby i think
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<yorickpeterse> weeee linux 3.11
<yorickpeterse> I hope this fixes my recent sudden kernel panics
<yorickpeterse> (yay for no logs in those cases)
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<igalic> That sounds like a decent summary of the Linux experience.
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<yorickpeterse> yap
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<yorickpeterse> Sometimes I wonder if Linus actually runs Linux himself
<skyler_brungardt> Hey folks. Anyone familiar with watir?
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<ndrst> yorickpeterse: well afaik he is using a macbook air
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<yorickpeterse> That makes it even worse, you'd think he'd care about the terrible wifi on the macbooks
<yorickpeterse> especially if they don't come with ethernet out of the box
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<yorickpeterse> grrr linus
<ndrst> here
<yorickpeterse> oh that one
<yorickpeterse> yeah now I remember
<yorickpeterse> a macbook air with Fedora
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<igalic> yorickpeterse: if he has any sense, he probably doesn't.
<yorickpeterse> heh
<igalic> I just did a quick /selinux in that article. No mention.
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<yorickpeterse> not sure why you'd run selinux on your local installation
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: it's enabled by default on some distros
<whitequark> and it allows for more fine-grained permissions, though I'm also at a loss of where to use that on desktops
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<yorickpeterse> for $PROD it makes sense
<yorickpeterse> In unrelated news, I probably shouldn't read the Ragel manual at 22:45
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<whitequark> why not
<yorickpeterse> makes my head spin
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<igalic> yorickpeterse: one of us should fix their clocks/ntp source
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<yorickpeterse> igalic: que?
<whitequark> it's 00:44 now
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<whitequark> which means your clock is off.
<yorickpeterse> I rounded it up...
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<darix> whitequark: every program that receives data from the network or handles downloaded files deserves an apparmor/selinux profile (imho)
<yorickpeterse> current time: 2013-09-18T22:45:20,738315059+0200
<yorickpeterse> ignoring the time it took me to paste that in
<igalic> yorickpeterse: that's what /exec -o is for
<yorickpeterse> igalic: I'm on weechat, which doesn't have /exec
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<igalic> I didn't know. I'm perfectly sorry.
<yorickpeterse> :>
* yorickpeterse slaps igalic with a large smelly trout
<yorickpeterse> WHY DOES IT KEEP REFUSING TO USE MY CUSTOM ONES
* yorickpeterse likes slapping people and randomly picks yorickpeterse to slap
<yorickpeterse> grrr
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<rue> Good job, dummy
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<yfeldblum> what's the intentional difference between Time and DateTime?
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<apeiros> yfeldblum: Time is a thin wrapper around unix epoch time C libs
<apeiros> DateTime is pure ruby
<apeiros> Time used to be rather limited in 32bit era, DateTime was not
<apeiros> Time used to be a ton faster than DateTime, nowaways the difference is smaller (but still there)
<yfeldblum> apeiros, on modern x64 rubies, is there an appreciable reason to prefer one to the other?
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<apeiros> if you do intense computations, you should probably still use Time
<apeiros> if your calculations are based around days and months, DateTime's interface (+/- is days, <</>> is months) might be easier
<apeiros> other than that, I can't come up with good reasons in favor of either
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<apeiros> useful?
<yfeldblum> apeiros, yeah, thanks
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<apeiros> yw
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<yfeldblum> apeiros, for Time, how does one advance one day?
<apeiros> + adds seconds. 86400 seconds in a day.
<apeiros> (what? you don't know that number by heart? :-p)
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<yfeldblum> apeiros, doesn't take leap-seconds into account :D
<apeiros> doesn't need to
<apeiros> both Time and DateTime pretend they don't exist. and that's good.
<yfeldblum> k
<apeiros> you'd be confused if your time calculations left you with odd seconds dangling around
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<apeiros> what can happen though is DST moving your displayed time by 1h
<apeiros> I think DateTime is DST unaware. not sure though and too late to check.
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<onewheelskyward> Time zones are such a bugger.
<apeiros> time zones are a non-issue. DST is one.
<darix> apeiros: wait for the areas with half hour timezone difference^^
<apeiros> darix: like india? still not an issue.
<darix> or some parts of canada
<apeiros> it's all just representation. and while DST is representation too, it's a bag of hurt due to their regulations.
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