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<briangonzalez> hey all, in the thick of implementing a ruby gem which offers a simple flat-file datastore
<briangonzalez> would anyone mind looking over it for me pointing out any gotchas?
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<rickhull> briangonzalez: reinventing the wheel?
<rickhull> takes one to know one https://github.com/rickhull/dotcfg
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<rickhull> banisterfiend: we need to catch up. not tonight, i'm heading home. are you US-based for now?
<briangonzalez> rickhull: yea, haha
<briangonzalez> I was looking for something that could handle static web content
<rickhull> note that dotcfg will handle any "arbitrary" DS composed of hashes, arrays, and scalars
<briangonzalez> building out a CMS for some clients, and wanted an easy way to read/write static content
<rickhull> i'm sure there are smarter impls. i think of dotcfg as literally the simplest thing that could possibly work
<briangonzalez> dotcfg looks cool. I want our non-tech savvy clients to be able to edit content, I could only imagine them digging through arrays and hashes
<rickhull> briangonzalez: i gotta head home. but Cabi seems to have a lot of assumptions that dotcfg doesn't.
<rickhull> i wonder if you woudn't layer those assumptions (policy) on a smaller lib that provides the mechanism (like dotcfg)
<briangonzalez> yea, perhaps. doesn't seem dotcfg's aim was to handle large amounts of text though
<briangonzalez> more so application config...
<rickhull> dotcfg in particular, no. it works in the small
<briangonzalez> I'll be working with 1-500 lines of HTML / JS / CSS
<rickhull> i guarantee you there is a project similar to dotcfg that does the hard work, with the bugs worked out
<rickhull> that you could layer on top of
<rickhull> 1-500 lines should be no problem for something like dotcfg
<rickhull> (i imagine)
<rickhull> i figure it gets hairy in the 5k-50k range
<briangonzalez> I actually looked quite a bit. I think the pragmatic approach would be to setup ActiveRecord with Postgres like Rails, but seems like overkill for my purposes.
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<rickhull> sounds super heavy
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<briangonzalez> rickhull: yea
<rickhull> though if it's like 5 clicks and 15 minutes to set up, sure
<rickhull> or vice versa
<briangonzalez> I don't mind the setup, I don't like having to manage another service running on my vpn
<rickhull> if you don't want another service
<rickhull> take a look at sqlite3 vs postgres
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<rickhull> sqlite model is provide libs, and a data file on the FS
<rickhull> no server, no daemon, no 3rd party credentials
<briangonzalez> I've used sqlite3 in the past, but I know that it's frowned upon to check .sqlite files into git
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<rickhull> uh, you probably don't want to check any data files into git
<briangonzalez> why's that?
<rickhull> short answer:
<rickhull> git is for code, and your code should operate upon any reasonable data
<rickhull> that said, a lot of projects i have, include a data/ dir
<rickhull> but they definitely do not have blahblah.db (jenkins db file)
<briangonzalez> rickhull: point taken, thanks :)
<rickhull> i.e. your project should be able to repopulate its db
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<rickhull> say i check out your project, and i've got a local db for it to hit
<rickhull> i don't want to spend 14 hours downloading your data
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<rickhull> i just want the code, and i'll populate my local db based on the code, and my data env
<rickhull> my data env is surely != your data env
<briangonzalez> what if you know you're data will consume a neglible amount of disk space
<rickhull> i would provide it in the form of human-readable records in a file
<rickhull> e.g. CSV or something, some starter data
<rickhull> inside your data/ dir
<rickhull> and provide a method to populate the operational db with the starter data
<briangonzalez> right, I like the idea of passing around the data tho for such a small project as one I am about to partake in
<rickhull> sure, if the data is integral to the proj, put it in the proj repo
<briangonzalez> total data will be < 10mb
<rickhull> but if the data is specific to the env the proj is run in, then the proj should not include the data
<briangonzalez> the data is the site's content
<rickhull> yeah, you should provide it in the most accessible format, mod reasonable disk space
<rickhull> or perhaps vice versa
<briangonzalez> think blog / small website for an enginerring firm
<rickhull> don't encode your critical site data in an opaque DB format
<briangonzalez> rickhull: agreed
<rickhull> put your critical starter site data in a human readable file
<rickhull> and provide an executable to import / populate your opaque DB format with the transparent data file
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<briangonzalez> the gem I just built leaves all data in their native file formats (html is in an html file, etc.)
<briangonzalez> do you think an opaque DB format is always necessary?
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<rickhull> no, typically a necessary evil
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<erikh> dat performance
<rickhull> i would consider the sqlite format to be "opaque" but of course open source
<rickhull> so extractable
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<rickhull> but it's not the same as e.g. CSV records
<erikh> dat performance
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<erikh> don' tmind me, i'm drunk
<rickhull> i'm getting there
<erikh> popping a red bull atm to offset it
<rickhull> erikh: would you include a sqlite .db file in a repo, generally?
<erikh> done being blotto for a while
<erikh> no
<erikh> I'd generate it from something
<rickhull> even if your project has a static set of starting data?
<erikh> arch issues
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<rickhull> btw, y, totally agreed
<rickhull> generate it from a more primitive/accessible format
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<erikh> yep, csv would be good
<erikh> or json or w/e
<rickhull> i lean more towards tsv these days
<erikh> tsv's easy to parse, sure
<rickhull> but yeah, i say csv like i mean "snowboard" when i say "ski"
<rickhull> tsv is nice because who has embedded tabs?
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<rickhull> embedded commas, sure
<erikh> I honestly prefer json these days
<briangonzalez> alright guys, I need to sleep!
<erikh> just because it's a) typed and b) usually doesn't have these kinds of problems
<erikh> briangonzalez: night.
<briangonzalez> erikh: night
<erikh> the only real gotcha with json is utf8 strings
<briangonzalez> rickhull: night
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<erikh> not the greatest for binary data.
<rickhull> cheers, i'm out, myself
<erikh> feh
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<rickhull> pedaling down market towards turk ;)
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<yorickpeterse> morning
<maloik> o/
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<gnufied> oirning
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<yorickpeterse> andrewvos: oh yeah I forgot, if you run Linux on a MBP expect the temp to randomly skyrocket and fans to crank up (e.g. 95C)
<yorickpeterse> the fix is to suspend/wake-up, lol
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<lianj> yorickpeterse: or get a fixed kernel
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<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: You have got to be kidding me
* andrewvos throws all computers in the ocean it is over we have failed
<yorickpeterse> lianj: yeah tell that to the past 5 kernel releases
<yorickpeterse> andrewvos: nope
<lianj> andrewvos: nah its a known power regression bug
<yorickpeterse> though it only happens rarely now (e.g. this morning)
<lianj> yorickpeterse: also, happens to x220's to because its the same hardware config
<yorickpeterse> lianj: I'm on Linux 3.10, this has been happening ever since around 3.6
<yorickpeterse> if not before
<lianj> yorickpeterse: arch?
<yorickpeterse> Yes
<lianj> apart from earlier kernel patches to fix which shouldn't be needed anymore… don't use laptop-mode-tools. solved it for me.
<yorickpeterse> I don't use it
<yorickpeterse> oh wait, I do on this macbook apparently
<yorickpeterse> though I wonder if I have it enabled
<lianj> its running at 525mha when idle, even lower than 3.4 kernels
<yorickpeterse> hm yeah, enabled
<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: I'ma wait till some new haswell ultrabooks come out and then buy one I guess
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<ljarvis> §ohi
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<andrewvos> ljarvis: heya!
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<ljarvis> andrewvos: hai
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<andrewvos> ljarvis: I don't mean to be british and all but hows this fuckgin weather ay?
<andrewvos> I just got back from Thailand and England was just grey as could be
<andrewvos> Possibly the greyest
<ljarvis> yeah it's bollocks
<andrewvos> bollocks
<ljarvis> im heading to belgium soon, hoping it's nice there
<andrewvos> good luck with that
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<andrewvos> Err, not to put a damper on it but https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=belgium+weather
<yorickpeterse> Twitter::Error::ServiceUnavailable: (__-){ Twitter is over capacity.
<yorickpeterse> LOL
<ljarvis> andrewvos: :(
<yorickpeterse> also what the fuck is that for an error
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<ljarvis> andrewvos: that's okay im at arrrcamp so will be inside most the time anyway
<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: Twitter hates developers
<andrewvos> ljarvis: Oh cool, is that like some pirate meetup?
<ljarvis> andrewvos: precisely, a pirate ruby conf
<yorickpeterse> yeah it's where they plunder the local village
<ljarvis> D:
<yorickpeterse> ARRRR RUBY GIMME YER MONEY M8 ARRR
* yorickpeterse goes back to work
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<andrewvos> god damnit my girlfriend is meeeting David Attenborough this weekend ffs
<andrewvos> I want him to be my friend :(
<andrewvos> err weekend = week
<ljarvis> damn
<ljarvis> that would be so awesome
<yorickpeterse> cross-dress as your girlfriend, lock her up in the bathroom and go yourself
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<yorickpeterse> I also have no idea who this david is
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<yorickpeterse> oh that guy
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<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: You don't ...
<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: Oh ok
<ljarvis> that guy
<andrewvos> You redeemed yourself there
<ljarvis> THAT GUY
<andrewvos> He is a god
<ljarvis> NO HE DID NOT
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<ljarvis> oh no you di'nt
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<ljarvis> andrewvos: why is she meeting him?
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<yorickpeterse> hey at least I know who Steve Fry is
<yorickpeterse> (pun intended)
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<andrewvos> ljarvis: Erm she's a producer for a tv company and she works in the area where all the celebrities are
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<ljarvis> Stephen fry is the only person I'd like to meet more than sir david
<andrewvos> ljarvis: She might be interviewing him or something I dunno
<ljarvis> andrewvos: nice!
<andrewvos> I don't really ask. I have no interest in celebrities other than David, and now that yo mention it Fry is pretty cool
<yorickpeterse> I wouldn't mind meeting Elon Musk
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<yorickpeterse> Tony Stark would also do
<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: You and him could ride segways together! <3 <3
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<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: do you know german?
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<ljarvis> any german*
<ljarvis> nvm
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: I can understand it if people talk at a moderate pace
<yorickpeterse> Can't speak it anymore though
<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: Is it like dutch?
<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: I always thought I would be able to understand German but I can't at all
<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: Dutch is a lot easier though
<yorickpeterse> it can be similar but also very different
<andrewvos> Yeah
<yorickpeterse> Dutch is based on Germanic but the two have changed quite a bit
<andrewvos> German girls are pretty
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<yorickpeterse> It's a bit similar to Dutch and Zuid Afrikaans
<yorickpeterse> though the latter is a peasant language :>
<andrewvos> oi
<lianj> i guess dutch is easier if you know english because it feels like german and english mixed up a bit
<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: Would you know what aangenaamdekennis means?
<yorickpeterse> lianj: it's not
<yorickpeterse> andrewvos: I presume "Nice to meet you"
<andrewvos> yeah
<andrewvos> is it the same in Dutch?
<lianj> yorickpeterse: from a german view it feels like it :D
<yorickpeterse> since in Dutch it would be "Aangenaam kennis met u te maken"
<andrewvos> Ahh ok so it's significantly shortened
<andrewvos> Lazy south africans
<yorickpeterse> yeah it's Dutch from the 1600s or something
<yorickpeterse> basically when we figured that after poaching and enslaving everything it kinda got boring so we left
<yorickpeterse> (Dutch history is pretty fucked up in that regard)
<yorickpeterse> basically we went from My Little Rome to a shithole
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<andrewvos> "Let's go home and make windmills guys, this shit is getting old"
<yorickpeterse> more like "Lets enslave Indonesia"
<andrewvos> hahaha
<andrewvos> that old chestnut
<yorickpeterse> heh, that reminds me of the saying "VOC mentaliteit"
<andrewvos> is VOC the DEIC?
<yorickpeterse> HAHA, it's even on Wikipedia
<yorickpeterse> but in Dutch only
<yorickpeterse> VOC was our "Big ships, slaves everywhere" trading company
<yorickpeterse> tl;dr prime minister used it to promote good trading and all that, everybody else got angry because it also promoted slavery and shit
<andrewvos> ISn't that Dutch East India Company?
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<yorickpeterse> Yeah
<yorickpeterse> errr wait
<yorickpeterse> ah yeah
<yorickpeterse> different name in English
<andrewvos> I think they made south africa
<yorickpeterse> we did
<andrewvos> I'm not a history kind of person
<andrewvos> But I think that's the one
<yorickpeterse> We made you, give us more money!
<andrewvos> Yeah we don't really have that sorry
<yorickpeterse> haha I know
<andrewvos> :(
<yorickpeterse> I wonder how that lake-underneath-kenya thing will pan out
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<andrewvos> wassat?
<yorickpeterse> A bunch of researchers or something found this gigantic lake of water a few hundred meters below the surface in Kenya
<yorickpeterse> Enough to supply the country with water for 70 years or so
<erikh> wow
<yorickpeterse> wtf, I can't find this on the Beeb
<erikh> made this tonight
<erikh> go <3
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<yorickpeterse> MODEL VIEW CONTROLLER?
<yorickpeterse> MORE LIKE....VIEW EVERYTHING
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<erikh> when do you not gripe
<erikh> I mean from like midnight - 4am it's just the yorick bitching :P
<yorickpeterse> I could probably start a TV show
<erikh> you're presuming people want to watch this
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<yorickpeterse> They said the same about many other shows
<yorickpeterse> e.g. The Kardashi-something is pretty popular apparently
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<yorickpeterse> YAY crisis averted, all is good
<yorickpeterse> somewhat worrying that users didn't notice this before, even more that we didn't
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<andrewvos> /join #yorick-bitching-about-things
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<andrewvos> I would watch a tv show where linus/zed shaw bitches about things
<erikh> yeah, I'd watch that.
<andrewvos> Because it would be like watching a car accident
<andrewvos> Can't look away
<erikh> better
<erikh> both of them bitching at each other
<andrewvos> oooh
<andrewvos> Kickstarter!
<erikh> hotttttt
<andrewvos> next big thing
<erikh> bigger than outa
<erikh> ouya
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<yorickpeterse> Angry Nerd Beatdown
<gnufied> well, there is no zedshaw
<erikh> oh that's some old school shit right there
<yorickpeterse> gnufied: HAHA
<gnufied> john leach of Brightbox (with whom I work) used to create those long back
<erikh> ahh
<gnufied> they are awesome.
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<kke> https://gist.github.com/kke/6592421 why a local variable that is defined inside an if block that never gets executed becomes a nil?
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<whitequark> kke: that's how ruby works.
<yorickpeterse> oh yeah
<yorickpeterse> it does a pre-scan for locals (sort of)
<erikh> scope is weird in ruby
<erikh> well, interpreting it
<erikh> and nil.inspect is still legit
<gnufied> the parser introduces those locals as it encounters them
<erikh> ^^^^
<whitequark> as to _why_ it was designed to work this way: a few things in ruby depend on whether a certain identifier is a local or a method
<whitequark> for example a[1]
<whitequark> if a is a local, that's a.[](1)
<whitequark> if a is a method, that's a([1])
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<erikh> haha really?
<ljarvis> isn't it a()[1]
<erikh> I figured you'd need a space at least
<erikh> also what inkjet said
<whitequark> >> def a(*args); { 1 => args }; end; a[1]
<eval-in> whitequark => [] (https://eval.in/48947)
* whitequark scratches his head
* ljarvis scratches whitequark's head
<whitequark> right, space
* yorickpeterse scratches ljarvis's head
<whitequark> >> def a(*args); { 1 => args }; end; a [1]
<eval-in> whitequark => {1=>[[1]]} (https://eval.in/48948)
<yorickpeterse> ook ook
<erikh> get a room you three
<ljarvis> whitequark: right
<whitequark> >> a = {1=>2}; a [1]
<eval-in> whitequark => 2 (https://eval.in/48949)
<ljarvis> so its a()[1]
<erikh> herpin
<whitequark> ljarvis: without space it's a()[1], with space it's what I said
<erikh> herpin[1]
<ljarvis> to the derpin
<whitequark> dumb feature.
<erikh> yeah, the latter case of a [1] is pretty retarded
<ljarvis> ya
<erikh> but so is "foo" "bar"
<erikh> >> "foo" "bar"
<eval-in> erikh => "foobar" (https://eval.in/48950)
<whitequark> -_-
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<whitequark> it was such a gigantic pita to implement location tracking for that in parser
<erikh> kke: hopefully somewhere in this mess you've come to understand the problem
<yorickpeterse> erikh: we have
<yorickpeterse> it's called #ruby-lang :>
<ljarvis> >> 1.-->x{x}.(1)
<eval-in> ljarvis => 0 (https://eval.in/48951)
<ljarvis> >> 1.--->x{x}.(1)
<eval-in> ljarvis => wrong number of arguments (0 for 1) (ArgumentError) ... (https://eval.in/48952)
<ljarvis> derp
<erikh> 1 * 8======D
<erikh> >>1 * 8======D
<eval-in> erikh => /tmp/execpad-0e8cccd6c45b/source-0e8cccd6c45b:2: syntax error, unexpected === ... (https://eval.in/48953)
<erikh> oh f you ruby
<erikh> >>1 * 8==D
<eval-in> erikh => uninitialized constant D (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/48954)
<ljarvis> :D
<erikh> ruby wants the D
* erikh is a horrible person
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<ljarvis> >> 1 * 8==?D
<eval-in> ljarvis => false (https://eval.in/48955)
<erikh> yeah but that's not funny
<ljarvis> dizzurp
<whitequark> it's no longer than 8===D
<whitequark> >> :D
<ljarvis> ow :(
<whitequark> >> :-O
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<ljarvis> i still enjoy a good old ternary-?? combination
<eval-in> whitequark => :D (https://eval.in/48957)
<eval-in> whitequark => /tmp/execpad-7f9c9750ffb4/source-7f9c9750ffb4:2: syntax error, unexpected tCONSTANT, expecting keyword_end (https://eval.in/48957)
<erikh> ~<==8
<erikh> >> ~<==8
<eval-in> erikh => /tmp/execpad-ccd5640b4df5/source-ccd5640b4df5:2: syntax error, unexpected <= ... (https://eval.in/48958)
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<erikh> I will get ruby to accept an unmangled ascii penis
<ljarvis> >> !?<==0
<eval-in> ljarvis => /tmp/execpad-08d631b152de/source-08d631b152de:2: warning: string literal in condition ... (https://eval.in/48960)
<ljarvis> COME ON
<yorickpeterse> >> def I3==D; end
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => /tmp/execpad-bddffbfd931f/source-bddffbfd931f:2: syntax error, unexpected ==, expecting ';' or '\n' ... (https://eval.in/48961)
<yorickpeterse> wat
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<erikh> >> ~()==8
<eval-in> erikh => undefined method `~' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/48962)
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<yorickpeterse> fuckit
<erikh> >> ()==8
<eval-in> erikh => false (https://eval.in/48963)
<yorickpeterse> >> self.class.define_method '3==>' do; end
<erikh> \o/!!!
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => private method `define_method' called for Object:Class (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/48964)
<yorickpeterse> PFFFF
<ljarvis> :D
<erikh> >> 8==()
<eval-in> erikh => false (https://eval.in/48965)
<erikh> ha ha
<ljarvis> good enough
<lianj> >> 8==?D
<eval-in> lianj => false (https://eval.in/48966)
<gnufied> now where is the guy who started this discussion!
<erikh> he vanished
<erikh> we scared him off.
<ljarvis> lianj: did that already
<ljarvis> jeez
<ljarvis> copy-cat
<gnufied> 8>>8==>:D
<gnufied> >>8==>:D
<eval-in> gnufied => /tmp/execpad-287bdd97f766/source-287bdd97f766:2: syntax error, unexpected '>' ... (https://eval.in/48967)
<ljarvis> try =>
<whitequark> stop it already
<erikh> >> 8==:D
<eval-in> erikh => false (https://eval.in/48968)
<ljarvis> NO
<erikh> that's not bad
<lianj> ljarvis: can't follow the backlog while looking out the window for the delivery guy :|
<ljarvis> ur not bad
<gnufied> yep
<ljarvis> lianj: :D
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<erikh> 8:==D
<erikh> >> 8:==D
<eval-in> erikh => /tmp/execpad-33f7914796b8/source-33f7914796b8:2: syntax error, unexpected ':', expecting keyword_end ... (https://eval.in/48969)
<erikh> yeah. feh.
<erikh> ok, I think it's nearing my bedtime
<erikh> vacation rules.
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<ljarvis> >> [:D=>:D]
<eval-in> ljarvis => [{:D=>:D}] (https://eval.in/48971)
<ljarvis> nou
<ljarvis> i never liked that
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<ngw> Hi, is there a way to trap that exception from inside my module? https://gist.github.com/ngw/ecb65b990646711bf639
<ljarvis> you catch it at runtime
<ngw> consider having many classes inside that Foo namespace, and wanting to trap all exceptions (or just some) in a generic way and in only one place
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<ngw> uhm
<ngw> ljarvis you mean that I have to wrap Foo::Bar.new in a begin block and do it like that?
<ljarvis> ngw: yes or rescue them in the initializer
<ljarvis> depending on what you're doing, the fake code doesn't help
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<ljarvis> bbl
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<Darkchaos> hello guys, when I want my net.http to implement cookies, I need to check the res['set-cookie'] everytime and repost them to the server on every request?
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<darix> Darkchaos: use mechanize
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<ljarvis> (or use http-cookie which was built for us to use in mechanize)
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<Darkchaos> is mechanize 1.8.7 compatible?
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<darix> Darkchaos: yes
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<ljarvis> yeah but not for much longer
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<darix> that ruby 1.8.7 mobbing all the time
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<lianj> what is that 1.8 people are talking about?
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<zzak> good morning!
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<yorickpeterse> lol 1.8
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<andrewvos> sigh /Users/andrewvos/.rubies/1.9.3-p194/lib/ruby/1.9.1/csv.rb:1855:in `sub!': invalid byte sequence in UTF-8 (ArgumentError)
<andrewvos> How does encoding work again?
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<maloik> # encoding: utf-8
<maloik> I believe?
<maloik> or is that not what you mean
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<andrewvos> NAhh
<andrewvos> I'm reading a CSV file that is pretty fucked
<andrewvos> It's comma seperated, but it has some sort of ^M character line seperators
<whitequark> that's \r
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<whitequark> windows line endings
<andrewvos> That:
<andrewvos> "
<andrewvos> whitequark: Oh yeah I wish
<andrewvos> How do I tell what character I'm looking at in vim?
<andrewvos> Or how do I read this monstrosity?
* yorickpeterse wrote a class called KockedSubscription, woops
<yorickpeterse> It was supposed to be Mocked
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<gnufied> wtf Activercord!
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<gnufied> Interface.joins(:server).merge(Server.finished) => Association named 'account' was not found; perhaps you misspelled it?
<gnufied> Interface.joins(:server).where("servers.status" => ["deleted", "failed"]) => works
<gnufied> both generate same query
<gnufied> merge is weird shit
<gnufied> has anyone seen this?
<darix> gnufied: without knowing the code it is hard to say
<gnufied> Server has : belongs_to :account
<darix> i assume Server.finished is a named scope with servers.status => ["finished"]
<gnufied> and account has: has_many :servers
<gnufied> darix: server.status in ("finished", "failed")
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<gnufied> scope :finished, where(:status => finished_states)
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<gnufied> it is quite straightforward the way I see it.
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<gnufied> charliesome: are you in ruby-core yet?
<charliesome> gnufied: yep
<charliesome> i've had commit since december last year
<gnufied> cool.
<gnufied> glad to hear buddy
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<andrewvos> gnufied: He just asked for it, and it seemed to work
<gnufied> I don't understand
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<andrewvos> Naturally yorickpeterse complained ;)
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<yorickpeterse> que?
<yorickpeterse> oh heh that one
<gnufied> I vote in favour of leaving that topic alone,
<gnufied> PLEASE
<yorickpeterse> oh no you won't
<yorickpeterse> don't make me get my whip
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<yorickpeterse> well that worked
* yorickpeterse notes down "gnufied doesn't like whips"
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<andrewvos> hehehe
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<yorickpeterse> dayum, Redis be fast yo
<yorickpeterse> (pubsub to be exact)
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<andrewvos> yeah
<andrewvos> it's pretty cool
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<yorickpeterse> so I basically just wrote YAML-as-a-service-using-JSON
<yorickpeterse> and Redis
<yorickpeterse> I should probably add MongoDB too
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<andrewvos> with multiple shards
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<erikh> heh
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<yorickpeterse> sharding is for scrubs
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<zzak> yorickpeterse: going to arrrcamp?
<zzak> only 3 weeks away!
<zzak> 2 weeks*
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<Darkchaos> is there a really easy way of keeping cookies in net http? like using a hashtable for cookie-set and cookie-unset
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<ReinH> erikh: hai
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<eam> how do I could bytes in a string (vs characters?)
<eam> oh, .bytes.length
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<mistym> eam: The #bytesize() method
<eam> rad, thx
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<darix> mistym: bitesize?
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<mistym> darix: Snack#bitesize is a very important method
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<drbrain> does anyone else get a certificate failure for bugs.ruby-lang.org?
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<drbrain> hrm, firefox trusts the issuer
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<yorickpeterse> zzak: no, the topics aren't that interesting to me and I hate two-track conferences
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<yorickpeterse> plus it's a bit of an inconvenient time of the year for me
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<nofxx> Need a good naming scheme for my classes, it's common a 'name' and a localized field, currently 'i18n'. Better ideas?
<nofxx> title, nick, slug and other before 'i18n' heh
<zzak> yorickpeterse: ;-;
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<zzak> drbrain: says it expires in december
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<drbrain> zzak: in one browser I had a certificate chain of four certificates
<drbrain> in the other, three
<drbrain> now it's back to three in the first browser again
<drbrain> I'm not sure what to make of that
<zzak> you can chain them?
<drbrain> it's the trust chain
<drbrain> Root CA signs Intermediate CA signs bugs.ruby-lang.org
<drbrain> so if you trust Root CA then by proxy you trust bugs.ruby-lang.org
<yorickpeterse> nofxx: does it store a language or locale?
<drbrain> but then it switched to:
<drbrain> Root CA signs Original Root CA signs Intermediate CA signs bugs.ruby-lang.org
<zzak> drbrain: how can you see the chain?
<drbrain> and OS X trusted the Original Root CA, but not the new Root CA
<drbrain> usually by clicking on the lock icon in your browser
<banisterfiend> yorickpeterse "bad" is bath? (in dutch)
<nofxx> yorickpeterse: the 'name' in different languages.. it's a hash
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<nofxx> yorickpeterse: name: 'foo', i18n: { en: 'Foo', pt: 'Fu' }
<yorickpeterse> banisterfiend: yes
<banisterfiend> yorickpeterse thx
<zzak> drbrain: issuer?
<yorickpeterse> nofxx: I'd just call it "languages" in that case
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<drbrain> zzak: the issuer is the person who signs your key and creates your certificate
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<drbrain> zzak: ri OpenSSL covers some of this
<drbrain> but it doesn't describe "how PKI works" as much
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<drbrain> zzak: an Certificate Authority (CA) issues certificates
<nofxx> yorickpeterse: i15d -> internationalized ... better then naming things is inventing words !
<zzak> drbrain: right but i only see StartCom listed
<nofxx> you might write the next dictionary, or history book, or programming book
<banisterfiend> nofxx s/then/than :P
<zzak> drbrain: as the intermediate
<drbrain> ugh, now it's messed up again for me
<drbrain> I see:
<nofxx> banisterfiend: beg yr pardon, bad english + lack of sleep
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<banisterfiend> hehe
<drbrain> StartCom CA G2, StartCom CA, StartCom Class 1 Intermediate Server CA, bugs.ruby-lang.org
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<drbrain> zzak: that's just one certificate in the chain
<zzak> drbrain: where do i find the rest of the chain?
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<zzak> drbrain: ahh
<zzak> drbrain: heres chrome with root http://cl.ly/image/2m1r2t1k063l
<drbrain> OS X trusts the second certificate, but not the first
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<drbrain> yeah, my view keeps flipping between the two
<zzak> drbrain: this is safari http://cl.ly/image/2R0H3v3j2V28
<zzak> o_o
<drbrain> I think Safari and Chrome use the same SSL code on OS X
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<banisterfiend> drbrain do you know the ETA on ruby 2.1 ?
<drbrain> banisterfiend: Christmass
<banisterfiend> thanks, they're still doing that then ;)
<drbrain> banisterfiend: the rumor mill says feature freeze is end of the month
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<zzak> drbrain: are you giving a duet talk?
<zzak> (at rubyconf)
<drbrain> zzak: trio! Also with ReinH!
<banisterfiend> drbrain might be kind of cool if class definitions also returned their name so that class decoration will look as cute as method decoration in ruby 2.1
<ReinH> drbrain: I need to get my bio in!
<drbrain> ReinH: you need to get your bio in!
<ReinH> OK!
<zzak> zomg!
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<zzak> i hope they dont put me at the same time, so i can see it!
<drbrain> if you're not at the same time you will be drafted as a participant
<banisterfiend> ReinH what're you talking about?
<banisterfiend> what will your talk be about*
<zzak> drbrain: haha ok +1
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<ReinH> banisterfiend: I'm co-presenting with drbrain and Davy
<banisterfiend> ReinH cool, what about?
<ReinH> banisterfiend: check it out in the program! http://rubyconf.org/program
<drbrain> ReinH: be sure your bio is appropriately pirate-themed
<ReinH> drbrain: I can give it to you right now
<drbrain> ReinH: you should give it to evan
<banisterfiend> ReinH cool
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<zzak> ☠
<banisterfiend> also blergh @ people consistently saying pry is not a debugger (re the debugging talk there)
<zzak> banisterfiend: im changing my talk to "erb as a debugger"
<ReinH> drbrain: "When he isn't busy buckling swashes or hauling keels, you can find First Mate Rein Henrichs building high-performance distributed systems in Ruby. When Davy told him she was building a pirate-themed Spaceteam with dRB, he said 'Can I help? I like yelling!'"
<banisterfiend> zzak sounds weird ;)
<zzak> haha
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<drbrain> ReinH: I asked evan to add your bio
<ReinH> drbrain: high five :)
<ReinH> distributed!
<ReinH> drbrain: appropriately pirate-themed?
<drbrain> ReinH: absolutely
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<ReinH> drbrain: oh and please re-capitalize DRb for me :)
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<ReinH> drbrain: talking about myself in the third person is starting to seem less weird after writing my nth bio.
<ReinH> Rein Henrichs is starting to get used to it.
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<drbrain> ReinH: it's live
<ReinH> that's what I call execution
<ReinH> awesomesauce!
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<rickhull> erb + drb + drbd + gdb + bdb = ?
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<rickhull> the ultimate distributed fault tolerant templating debugger
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<banisterfiend> that no one is smart enough to use ;)
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<xuser> are all the talks of rubyconf placed online or just some?
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<drbrain> xuser: I think they're all announced now
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<xuser> drbrain: I mean, after the event, all talks are placed online?
<drbrain> oh
<drbrain> for past conferences, confreaks.org has hosted them
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<xuser> ah found it
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<xuser> looks they do put all the talks, not just some
<drbrain> yes, I should have said "hosted them all"
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