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<Elico> hey I want to work with a ipv4 and ipv6 db and looking for an exisiting hash or btree like DB that can be used in ruby for these..
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<drbrain> Elico: ruby ships with dbm which wraps hash/btree DBs
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<drbrain> Elico: but I suppose if you're looking for a network-enabled one, maybe tokyo cabinet?
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<Elico> drbrain: no I am not looking for a network enabled one but I need a bit of help even to remember what you are talking about.. I have used tokyo cabinet couple times..
<drbrain> Elico: by "hash or btree like DB" do you mean key-value store?
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<Elico> drbrain: no... like a set.. a very very fast DB..
<whitequark> redis perhaps
<drbrain> yeah
<Elico> like iptables has ipset tools which are dedicated for ip lookup
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<whitequark> oh
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<whitequark> so you want to lookup address ranges?
<Elico> whatever... I want to have a IP db and do a lookup in it..
<whitequark> well, you better understand what precisely you want to do, if you want someone to help you.
<Elico> whitequark: I stated before.. I want to have a DB of ipv4 and ipv6 which I can do a lookup in... like to match if an ip is in the list or not...
<Elico> I can do that using a simple array or another store engine that exists in ruby..
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<whitequark> if Ruby Set or Hash would work for you, then redis would work just as well
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<Elico> ok thanks.. I compared redis and tokyocabinet in the past and there wasn't that much of a difference in speed for a small DB of about 100k enteries..
<drbrain> oh, I misunderstood the IPv4 and IPv6 part in your initial message
<drbrain> I think dbm will be just fine
<Elico> drbrain: I am unsure about what dbm means to you.. can you please collaborate more?
<drbrain> Elico: is your query is something like "is 192.0.2.1 in the database"?
<Elico> exactly.. drbrain
<Elico> it's a true false db
<drbrain> Elico: then you only need a key-value store (whatever the underlying technology)
<drbrain> dbm is a ruby wrapper for a whole series of common key-value stores
<drbrain> you can create a database, load it up with known IPs and query it for those keys
<Elico> OK I liked tokyocabinet.. it's the fastest I have ever seen so I assume I will use it..
<drbrain> the interface is the same as a ruby hash
<drbrain> and yes, tokyocabinet is a derivative of dbm
<Elico> yes a ruby hash like interface.
<Elico> thanks drbrain..
<drbrain> with dbm you don't need to install extra libraries, is all
<Elico> and whiteshark
<Elico> well what kind of dbm as an example?
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<Elico> drbrain: I have tried to use berkeleyDB in the past but I think the results was that tokyocabinet was much faster..
<drbrain> sure
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<asahi> if you have a couple of apps on a production server, would they typically use the same ruby version?
<asahi> i'm using rbenv and when i do ruby -v, I get 1.9.3
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<Elico> most likely that they would use the same version..
<asahi> okay, i have a new app on my local machine where I have ruby 2.0.0. how would i get this app to use ruby 2.0.0 on my production machine?
<Elico> I would say that you'd better not touch the current running version unless you test it really good...
<Elico> what is the size of the production system load?
<asahi> not a huge load on the current production system.
<Elico> which means???
<Elico> how many request per second?
<asahi> no more than 1 request per second
<Elico> then it's not a loaded system and if it's not a big app run couple tests to make sure that the service is running with no problem and if so dont upgrade to v 2 unless there is a real need for v2 and consider how to upgrade..
<asahi> the reason why I'm looking into my ruby versions is because when i do gem list <gem name>, nothing shows up even though i know some of my apps are using the gem
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<Elico> as a root user?
<asahi> not as root
<asahi> rbenv is used by a non-root user
<asahi> i cannot even run gem as root
<Elico> well if you cannot run gem as root it's werid..
<Elico> but if you run irb and see that you can include then there it is the gems are there..
<Elico> if you run other services they might jailed..
<asahi> well, i tried running pry inside my app directory, and couldn't require a certain gem
<asahi> all other gems i'm able to use no problem
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<Senjai> Funny story, sending messages to the channel without being in it
<Senjai> <3 Quassel
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<Senjai> Are there ways a novice can contribute to Ruby?
<Senjai> I would really like to become involved.
<jrobeson> contribute how
<jrobeson> just depends on who your target audience is
<jrobeson> helping the users of ruby is always nice
<jrobeson> it's just such a broad question Senjai
<Senjai> contributing to the project..
<jrobeson> also most of the advice applies to almost any project
<jrobeson> that's still broad
<jrobeson> the project is huge
<jrobeson> doc people, core coding, tooling coding (build systems and other assistance) , bug triagers, testers,
<jrobeson> it's crazy huge
<jrobeson> do you plan on learning C and all the tooling around that also? make, autotools and whatever else
<jrobeson> and of course.. wrangling people to work together also :)
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<jrobeson> and i'm still being overbroad
<jrobeson> there's still many subcategories within that
<Senjai> jrobeson: Do you commit to Ruby?
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<jrobeson> nope
<jrobeson> because i don't have time to learn all those things i just talked about :)
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<jrobeson> but these are the same rules that apply to any software project
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<jrobeson> every project has tons of open bugs, open features, and general warts in all those areas
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<Senjai> jrobeson: I know, but I'm here to ask people who do commit to the project how they got started. And how I can get started.
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<jrobeson> it depends on what area you want to contirubte to
<jrobeson> they would tell you the same thing
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<jrobeson> like.. if you wanted to actuall code on ruby itself.. you'd have to know some C
<jrobeson> all the areas have a long list of prerequisites
<jrobeson> some which you may already fulfill, some not
<Senjai> I know that man. But everyone starts somewhere. I'd rather get their input from them
<jrobeson> they are going to tell you the same thing
<jrobeson> first by asking you what specifically you want to contribute to
<Senjai> jrobeson: Do you mind?
<jrobeson> hey.. you're the one who's gonna get told off if you don't listen
<jrobeson> fine
<jrobeson> look like a dope if you want
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<drbrain> Senjai: don't listen to jrobeson
<drbrain> Senjai: I tell people to get started with projects they use and have minor annoyances or find bugs in
<jrobeson> drbrain, he's programmed before he knows how to do that
<Senjai> jrobeson: please stop
<jrobeson> Senjai, i wasn't even talking to you..
<jrobeson> just letting him know that we have spoken before and gone past that particular thing
<jrobeson> because you're a smart guy
<drbrain> jrobeson: I don't like your attitude
<Senjai> drbrain: That's what I was thinking. It's difficult though often to try and navigate the source code, I've been studying rails for.. weeks and I feel as if I've only scratched the surface
<jrobeson> drbrain, sorry you had to see that... we have spoken before in otoher rooms
<jrobeson> and often even nicely..
<drbrain> jrobeson: dismissive and insulting behavior is frowned upon in this channel
<drbrain> Senjai: rails projects use lots of other gems, too
<drbrain> Senjai: those may be more tractable
<drbrain> and there's no reason you can't contribute to ruby itself, there's plenty things to do besides write C
<jrobeson> as i said.. doc writing, bug triaging, testing,
<drbrain> much of the standard library is in ruby
<jrobeson> or doc raiging even
<Senjai> drbrain: I was wondering if I should start with docs, or find someone who would be willing to send some work my way to see if I would be able to solve what they would be working on otherwise
<jrobeson> there are open tickets for many things just like that
<jrobeson> even in rails
<jrobeson> just things that need clairifcation
<jrobeson> like.. a 1 line addition that would make something more understandable
<jrobeson> that are for any skill level
<Senjai> Like I would love for a pseudomentor just to help delegate something like, I was going to do this to this, but let's see if you can do it or figure it out.
<jrobeson> projects often have "easy pick" bugs just for that
<Senjai> It's difficult for me to identify design issues and other shortcomings that are obvious to others
<Senjai> jrobeson: you've made your point.
<jrobeson> rails is one example of a project that does that
<jrobeson> i'm not making a point.. i'm actualy giving you suggestions
<jrobeson> like actionable items
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<Senjai> drbrain: apologies
<drbrain> Senjai: I helped someone out with a couple of easier bugs in rubygems a bit a go
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<jrobeson> projects that try to welcome new contributors do something just like "easy pick"
<drbrain> Senjai: there's plenty of people who have easy bugs they can probably help you with
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<Senjai> drbrain: That's why I'm here, I'm going to try and look for things to work on, but if anyone sees something that would be a little simple for them, it might be a great learning experience for me. So I just want to put it out there that if anyone doesn't want to do the grunt work, I might enjoy trying to solve a problem that matters.
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<drbrain> Senjai: unfortunately I don't have anything to point you at offhand
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<Senjai> drbrain: No I wasn't expecting as much, but I would love it if you could keep me in mind, or if I could come to you (and others) about some ideas if I see anything
<drbrain> Senjai: try asking steveklabnik (twitter) or _zzak (here, twitter)
<drbrain> steve contributes to lots of projects so may have some low hanging fruit
<Senjai> drbrain: I'm actually helping contribute to Steve's errata for one of his books, but besides that I haven't really talked with him
<drbrain> _zzak is the doc contributor for ruby
<Senjai> good to know :)
<drbrain> they're both nice people, feel free to drop my name if you contact them
<Senjai> May I ask what your name is? Or would they recognize drbrain
<wh1t3l10n> Hello guys, I started learning Ruby, I'm stuck at the last program here: https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/quickstart/2/ I want to know should I use "initialize" everytime I create a variable using "@"?
<drbrain> Eric Hodel, they'd recognize "drbrain"
<drbrain> wh1t3l10n: are you familiar with objects?
<wh1t3l10n> drbrain: it is similar to struct in C programming, am I right? :)
<jrobeson> hah.. i never actually used that tutorial
<jrobeson> wh1t3l10n, just if you want it to have an initial value
<drbrain> wh1t3l10n: yes, it's like a struct
<drbrain> wh1t3l10n: a struct with functions attached
<drbrain> wh1t3l10n: (but we call them methods)
<jrobeson> magically ruby methods.. everywhere
<drbrain> wh1t3l10n: the initialize method sets up the object
<jrobeson> wh1t3l10n, is this your first tutorial thingy you've tried?
<drbrain> and the @ variables are instance variables that are like the struct members
<drbrain> wh1t3l10n: make sense?
<wh1t3l10n> drbrain: that's cool. So, we use initialize for objects and the variables we create using @ can be accessed in all part of a class, right? wow! This is amazing <3 I'm so much interested in this language <3
<drbrain> can be accessed in all parts of an instance
<drbrain> a class is like a template
<drbrain> when you call new on a class you get in instance
<drbrain> the new method calls initialize for you
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<wh1t3l10n> drbrain: now it does make sense :)
<drbrain> (having the terminology straight will help your future reading :)
<wh1t3l10n> drbarin: Thank you for the support, I really appreciate it! going to back to coding, see you around :)
<jrobeson> wh1t3l10n, yes ruby is pretty amazing.. probably the funnest language
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<erikh> ,be
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<duper> what's the shortlang for extracting an Enumerable into a variable without the usual vertical bars? i.e. [1..3].each{|x| puts x} # isn't there a '.each{&:x' or something for short-hand syntactic sugar?
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<xybre> duper: collection.map(&:foo)
<xybre> Thats the syntax you're talking about, btu I'm not sure if it will actually do everything you desire.
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<erikh> it's very contextual
<erikh> and sexy
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<erikh> dominikh: I've made a thing, almost
<erikh> adding the poll bits now
<erikh> but it's a metrics collector
<erikh> bah
<erikh> cinch
<erikh> there, now I know you've seen it
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<xybre> Go is such a funny looking language.
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<Elico> drbrain: I have tried it.. and it seems like tokyotryrant is the better option
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<dostoyevsky> Any idea how I am supposed to pass on paths for installed library, so that they passed on via rake?
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<dostoyevsky> I see that rake invokes "ruby extconf.rb" and can't find a library because it doesn't know the right path
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: ping
<dostoyevsky> Of course I could just edit the extconf.rb but that seems very wrong
<yorickpeterse> eerrr, you mean paths of libraries to link to?
<dostoyevsky> %rake --with-opencv-dir=/opt/local/ -> invalid option: --with-opencv-dir=/opt/local/
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<yorickpeterse> Tried `rake -- --with-opencv....`?
<dostoyevsky> How can I influence mkmf's dir_config() when calling rake?
<yorickpeterse> otherwise you can try and set CFLAGS manually before calling Rake
<yorickpeterse> e.g. CFLAGS=`pkg-config opencv --clfags` rake
<matti> ;]
<yorickpeterse> matti: STOP LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT, IT'S CREEPY
* matti hugs yorickpeterse
<matti> *whistles*
<matti> :)
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<yorickpeterse> oh I don't mind hugs
<matti> yorickpeterse: Never had a grouppie before? ;p
<yorickpeterse> dostoyevsky: https://github.com/andremedeiros/spyglass try this if you haven't already
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<yorickpeterse> matti: No I'm not exactly a rockstar
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<dostoyevsky> yorickpeterse: Is that better than ruby-opencv?
<matti> yorickpeterse: I know. But you are a Ruby Ninja.
<matti> yorickpeterse: Like apeiros is the God Father of Ruby. Like in Mafia.
* matti can hear theme song from Godfather.
<dostoyevsky> Well I just edited extconf.rb... was very easy
<yorickpeterse> dostoyevsky: from what I know, yes, but more basic for now
<yorickpeterse> it's also written by a pretty cool dude
<dostoyevsky> Stil, seems inherently broken
<yorickpeterse> matti: I kill Ruby people without them knowing it?
<dostoyevsky> rake & mkmf, that is
<yorickpeterse> dostoyevsky: also, if ruby-opencv uses pkg-config it should Just Work (tm)
<yorickpeterse> but I guess it doesn't
<matti> yorickpeterse: Maybe you do.
<matti> yorickpeterse: People have werid hobbies.
<matti> weird*
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<dostoyevsky> I want to prototype some graph-based algorithms and use rgl for that. Is there any other library I should consider?
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<yorickpeterse> well, I'd say this is pretty clear: http://downloads.yorickpeterse.com/images/screenshot_080913_16%3a33%3a38.png
<yorickpeterse> kinda funny how the exec time goes up and down in the same pattern when using caching
<yorickpeterse> still, 430ms is kinda slow
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: y u no make parser webscale
<darix> yorickpeterse: maybe adding some mongodb or nodejs will help
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<yorickpeterse> good idea
<yorickpeterse> don't forget CouchDB
<yorickpeterse> and Firebase
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<asahi> hello, when I do gem list Indirizzo, the gem is listed, but if I do gem which Indirizzo, it's unable to find the gem. any ideas?
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: y ruby is not fast in single character manipulation
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<Xeitgeist> anyone alive here?
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<whitequark> what's up with these impatient people
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: true, but I'd say that parsing a medium sized file shouldn't take 130ms
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<whitequark> define "medium sized"
<whitequark> also parser has +/- same performance as ruby_parser
<whitequark> I've seen it differ up to a factor of four (approximately), on files with lots of literals
<whitequark> that's 27kb of code for you
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<whitequark> oh, interesting
<whitequark> P: Parsed 1 files (27617 characters) in 0.14 seconds (197.264 kchars/s).
<whitequark> RP: 0.22s: 5154.54 l/s: 124.01 Kb/s: 26 Kb: 1121 loc:TOTAL
<whitequark> so I'm actually much faster than RP here.
<whitequark> zenspider: ^ even with my incredibly naive literal handling (char by char), ragel is faster than your regexp stuff.
<whitequark> which honestly surprises me to no extent
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: so stop whining, you aren't going to get much faster. if you want to know how much faster could you ever get, replace all string literals with comments of the same length at the end of line.
<whitequark> that's the extent of optimizations I believe are left to do in parser
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<yorickpeterse> replace string literals with comments?
<yorickpeterse> wat
<yorickpeterse> well the obvious solution here would be to write Parser::Lexer in C :>
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: string literals are currently lexed with an incredibly naive algorithm
<whitequark> which performs a slurry of method calls for every single character of literals
<yorickpeterse> hm
<yorickpeterse> what's the reason for that?
<whitequark> the fact that you can use any character as literal terminator
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<whitequark> also, heredocs
<yorickpeterse> couldn't you potentially optimize that based on the opening literal?
<whitequark> yeah
<yorickpeterse> hm, you'd still have to iterate every character for that
<whitequark> well, I could special-case " ' and perhaps braces, making these much faster
<yorickpeterse> So if I'm understanding it right shit like %w{} and <<-DERP\nDERP is the primary reason for that?
<whitequark> yes
<yorickpeterse> hm
<yorickpeterse> >> %w{hello}}
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => /tmp/execpad-f3f3747858d9/source-f3f3747858d9:2: syntax error, unexpected tSTRING_DEND, expecting keyword_end (https://eval.in/47415)
<yorickpeterse> hmm
<yorickpeterse> also lol that error
<yorickpeterse> I had to explain a missing `end` error to a total beginner yesterday
<yorickpeterse> >> class FOo
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => /tmp/execpad-15f1878ec9dd/source-15f1878ec9dd:7: syntax error, unexpected end-of-input, expecting keyword_end (https://eval.in/47416)
<yorickpeterse> errr that's not the one
<yorickpeterse> either way, it's some super obscure error
<whitequark> that's LR for you
<yorickpeterse> Not exactly, you can make them less of a PITA by making them read like actual English
<whitequark> could also use http://unicon.sourceforge.net/merr/
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<yorickpeterse> so where exactly does this magic happen regarding literals, or is it all over the place?
<whitequark> lexer/literal.rl
<whitequark> *.rb
<whitequark> also lexer.rl:725-1011
<yorickpeterse> yeah the file I knew
<yorickpeterse> lets see
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<yorickpeterse> hm, first we need a good benchmark
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<yorickpeterse> ah fuck, I'm violating Slop's license
<yorickpeterse> (totally related)
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