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* imperator
apparently has missed the point
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<NemesisD>
anyone have any tricks for the pattern of turn into an array unless it is one, but don't convert it
<erikh>
Array(thing) unless thing === Array
<NemesisD>
its almost like Array(), but not quite. Array(nil) => [] good, Array([1]) => [1] good, Array(:foo => :bar) => [[:foo, :bar]] bad
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<whitequark>
NemesisD: [*thing]?
<NemesisD>
bonus internet points for not sniffing the type
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<NemesisD>
whitequark: yeah tried that, unfortunately that has the same effect on hashes
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<erikh>
that's technically a conversion too
<NemesisD>
yeah, just one that i've never wanted in my years of ruby ;)
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<NemesisD>
in fact, almost every time ruby converts a hash to an array for me it isn't what i want and causes a bug
<imperator>
.flatten
<erikh>
don't use 1.8 then?
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<NemesisD>
i'm not using 1.8
<NemesisD>
i'm using ruby 2
<erikh>
what's converting to an array for you?
<NemesisD>
most enumerable stuff
<imperator>
perhaps a custom .to_a method? not sure what your scenario is
<erikh>
most enumerable stuff these days will only convert if you don't take enough args
<NemesisD>
i understand there's probably a good reason for it to do it but mapping over key values in a hash returns an array and is extremely counter-intuitive IMO
<NemesisD>
oh?
<erikh>
actually no i liked
<erikh>
lied
<erikh>
asdf
<erikh>
stupid facebook adding k's for me
<imperator>
NemesisD, mapping over key values? can you give us a snippet of what you're trying to do?
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<NemesisD>
imperator: at this point i'm just wingeing, i'm not actually trying to do that right now. but the gist: {:foo => "bar"}.map {|v| v.upcase} is not a thing
<NemesisD>
i guess mapping over keys/values at the same time would be weird in ruby
<eval-in>
erikh => /tmp/execpad-9c101cc27d81/source-9c101cc27d81:2: warning: wrong element type Symbol at 0 (expected array) ... (https://eval.in/50749)
<eval-in>
erikh => /tmp/execpad-a24d4e182675/source-a24d4e182675:2: warning: wrong element type Symbol at 0 (expected array) ... (https://eval.in/50750)
<NemesisD>
i appreciate the problem it solves but it is really poorly designed and leaks abstractions like a sieve
<erikh>
haha
<erikh>
ok, which ones
<erikh>
and please tell me you've used more than chef-solo
<NemesisD>
i've remotely provisioned servers with chef but im sure that's not the most advanced usage
<NemesisD>
typically i use it to provision vagrant boxes
<erikh>
look, that's the equivalent of saying,
<erikh>
"I've set up this site full of rails scaffolds and rails totally sucks and is a leaky abstraction"
<erikh>
not really trying to be mean, but I'm pretty comfortable in the source. the folks there know what they're doing, but chef-solo is meant... to bootstrap chef-client
<NemesisD>
the parts where it leaks are first in names: the names of things are insane. half of the terminology tries to riff on the kitchen metaphor at any cost. the other half are just strange (data bags?)
<erikh>
and if you're not managing 100+ machines it's a waste of time. just write a shell script
<erikh>
emphasis on "manage"
<erikh>
bootstrapping boxes with it is ... again, usually done better with a shell script
<NemesisD>
also the json configuration api is bonkers. i've seen plenty of apis that require you to configure some keys with strings and some as symbols
<erikh>
eh?
<erikh>
which ones use symbols?
<NemesisD>
i'm not saying the chef folks don't know what they're doing. the functionality of chef is nice. the usability of it is abysmal imo
<NemesisD>
misbehaving recipes(?) i'm assuming. it is a dimension of meaningless choice that should have never been introduced
<erikh>
you slapped a bunch of cookbooks off the internet into a ball and expected it to work, didn't you
<erikh>
that's what it sounds like.
<NemesisD>
most of my frustration was born out of 1 1/2-2 days of fighting chef tooth and nail to configure a vm for me
<erikh>
doesn't work with rails either.
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<NemesisD>
works better than it does with chef
<NemesisD>
and is easier to reason about certainly
<erikh>
it's a framework. if you don't know it (and being really direct here -- you don't), it will fail you. if you choose not to learn it, that's fine, but as someone who has patches in on it, is very familiar with the source, and actually understands the system
<erikh>
you're full of shit
<NemesisD>
but that's becaues rails at least tries to take the convention-over-configuration approach
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<NemesisD>
the minute i need to know the source of chef to use it i'll start looking for another tool
<NemesisD>
i'm not invested in learning chef because i don't have enough use for it right now to warrant it. that's on me. my coworker went deeper into learning it than me and had the same complaints about how easy it is to use
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<zzak>
oh hi
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<erikh>
Boohbah: I think so, but I don't really use systemd
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<apeiros>
NemesisD: proper way would be to let the supplier normalize it
<apeiros>
any attempt to normalize at receiver side is inherently error-prone.
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<NemesisD>
apeiros: i don't think i understand what you're talking about
<apeiros>
your question about getting something to be an array
<apeiros>
I say you're doing the conversion in the wrong place.
<NemesisD>
unfortunately the supplier is a SOAP API
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<NemesisD>
i'm using savon which converts an xml response into a hash, and repeated elements mean that a key's value could either be nil, a hash or an array of hashes :(
<apeiros>
ew
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<NemesisD>
yeah its pretty gross man
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<NemesisD>
oh well i'm going to bed. have a good one
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<devn>
apeiros: depends on what kind of normalization we're talking about
<devn>
is calling resp.fetch(:something, false) every single time normalization?
<devn>
what about 90% of the time? etc.
<devn>
there's a sliding scale of normalization required by just about any api client IMO.
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<devn>
most APIs simply are not well thought out enough to allow the creators and maintainers of client libs to just hold hands with the API provider and frolick in the black-eyed susans
<devn>
normalization always is happening -- it's just to what extent
<devn>
the /type/ of normalization matters
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<apeiros>
devn: every kind of normalization. somebody said "be broad in what you [accept], and narrow in what you [emit]" (not sure on the precise wording).
<apeiros>
and that's bullshit.
<apeiros>
is the open door for bugs and problems.
<apeiros>
be specific and narrow in what you accept. be narrow in what you emit.
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<yorickpeterse>
morning
<maloik>
hey
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<yorickpeterse>
welp, zed shaw will be in the office today
<ljarvis>
hello
<ljarvis>
yorickpeterse: lul why?
<maloik>
my guess, he's around for bubble conf
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<maloik>
looks like a super cool conference
<yorickpeterse>
ljarvis: he's here for Bubbleconf, I invited him over
<yorickpeterse>
might do some late-night hacking too but that depends on if I can get security to stay around for longer
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<gnufied>
yes, you need security while working with zedshaw.
<ljarvis>
:D
<ljarvis>
yorickpeterse: you can both get mad at inconsequential things
<yorickpeterse>
exactly
<gnufied>
yeah, without an ounce of alchohal.
<yorickpeterse>
So security here is a bit, odd:
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<gnufied>
alcohal*
<yorickpeterse>
basically after 20:00 or so the alarm goes on, but you can turn it off for exactly 1 minute using a special card
<yorickpeterse>
That means you have 1 minute to get out of the building, which takes around 3-4 minutes at least
<maloik>
rofl
<yorickpeterse>
or you have to take a shit in under a minute or have somebody constantly swipe the card to extend your time
<maloik>
that's some sick mission impossible stuff
<yorickpeterse>
it's not exactly convenient
<ljarvis>
your security alarm has a fucking snooze button
<yorickpeterse>
pretty much
<yorickpeterse>
I could also just jump out of the window into a tree
<yorickpeterse>
takes 10 seconds at least
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<ljarvis>
maloik: I just thought, should i have a physical ticket for arrrcamp?
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<ljarvis>
oh right nvm
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<yorickpeterse>
"FARADAY ERROR TIMEOUT EXECUTION EXPIRED" - Basically all of Rollbar atm for this project
<yorickpeterse>
Fucking websites that can't stay up
<maloik>
ljarvis: nah
<maloik>
we have everything ready, if someone were to come in and use your name we'd hunt them down with our pirate swords
<maloik>
we're scary.
<ljarvis>
awesome
<ljarvis>
so when I arrive in ghent, you gonna be in a bar or something?
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<maloik>
at the venue
<ljarvis>
ah ok cool
<maloik>
we're going to send an email out with the events (other than the conf I mean) hopefully some time today or tomorrow
<maloik>
we're awaiting confirmation of one meetup that isn't strictly ours :)
<ljarvis>
github? :)
<maloik>
... maybe *looks away*
<ljarvis>
heh I know scott is going so it was likely to happen
<maloik>
scott ?
<ljarvis>
oh no it's zach rather
<maloik>
ah yea
<maloik>
it's a bit scary cause we couldn't find a place that can really handle loads of people
<maloik>
and there's no way to predict how many people are going to show up
<ljarvis>
yeah
<ljarvis>
well either way I'll come and meet you on wednesday eve grab my key and have a couple beers
<maloik>
sounds great
<maloik>
gf can obviously come along too if she doesn't mind a bunch of geeks
<ljarvis>
yeah she'll be game, won't understand a thing but she'll be game :)
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<maloik>
around what time do you think you'll be there?
<gnufied>
he says new zealand there, might have moved not sure.
<gnufied>
arrcamp looks sweat though
<gnufied>
and belgian beer is always burrp
<banisterfiend>
gnufied i live in leiden now /cc maloik
<maloik>
hehe :D
<banisterfiend>
(originally from nz though :) )
<maloik>
aha! see! then you were the target of my question :P was wondering if you were coming to arrrcamp
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<gnufied>
banisterfiend: I suppose that is recent then?
<gnufied>
traitor
<banisterfiend>
gnufied about 1 year :)
<banisterfiend>
i have an EU passport (UK) so i can live where i want in eu for as long as i like it's wonderful :)
<maloik>
you don't have to be back in the UK every 3 months?
<maloik>
maybe that's just a belgian stupid law, but afaik we have to live here at least for a while ever 3 months, or possibly 3 months per year or something like that
<gnufied>
we in India are just planning a conquest mission of Europe so visa is not going to be a problem.
<gnufied>
hang tight guys
<maloik>
:D
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<banisterfiend>
maloik no, there's a treaty that UK have with europe that allows me to stay anywhere in eu for as long as i like
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<maloik>
those bastards
<maloik>
:P
<banisterfiend>
i don't recall the technical details
<maloik>
sounds cool
<gnufied>
UK has visa treaty with half of the world
<gnufied>
Singapore
<gnufied>
most of commonwealth
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<banisterfiend>
maloik but i thought this kind of thing was true throughout all of EU countries?
<banisterfiend>
free travel and work etc
<banisterfiend>
freely travely*
<banisterfiend>
i thought that was part of the point of the EU
<maloik>
it had something to do with taxes... maybe it's the other way around, if you want to put your business in another country (say ireland) then you have to stay there for x amount of time to be relieved of belgian tax
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<banisterfiend>
maloik where are you from in nl?
<maloik>
im belgian
<banisterfiend>
ah
<maloik>
Ghent to be precise
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<banisterfiend>
i was in brussels recently
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<maloik>
living here anyway, originally from a smaller town
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<banisterfiend>
maloik when is arrcamp
<maloik>
next week
<banisterfiend>
and why is it called arrrcamp?
<maloik>
originally "a ruby, rails, radiant and rum" conference
<maloik>
not it's just arrrrcamp :)
<banisterfiend>
it doesn't have one of those awful nerdy pirate themes does it? :)
<maloik>
ye scurvy scum! of course it does! :D
<banisterfiend>
lols :)
<maloik>
but not in a "oh shit everyone is dressed as pirates" kind of way
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<maloik>
we have hats and that's about it :)
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<maloik>
started as a bit of a joke but it just stuck, it's kind of fun to have something whimsical as a theme every now and then
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<zzak>
<3
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<ljarvis>
soup
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<steelsouls>
Hi Ruby channel. I'm writing my first gem. It's a CLI built with Thor. Can somebody suggest a testing technology to learn & implement before releasing the gem?
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<Veejay>
Is there a way for me to turn "" into something falsy?
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<Veejay>
Forget that question, it's asinine
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<banisterfiend>
Veejay !"".empty?
<erikh>
"".length > 0
<Veejay>
banisterfiend: Yeah, but that was the stupidest question. I know something like 10 ways to check that, I don't even know why I ask in the first place
<gnufied>
!!!""
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<gnufied>
^ hipster way
<Veejay>
I guess I was surprised that I discovered that "" is truish
<erikh>
heh
<erikh>
only false and nil are falsey
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<gnufied>
has anyone following along discussion about frozen hash, arrays & strings on ruby-lang?
<toretore>
apeiros: yes, what would look visually like paragraphs when printed
<matled>
toretore: that depends on what you use to print it
<apeiros>
toretore: eh, a paragraph doesn't need "spacing" to be a paragraph.
<matled>
long lines have to be wrapped by something anyway
<apeiros>
at least not in printers terminology.
<toretore>
oh, you know what i mean
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<toretore>
you could separate them with "##fart##" instead of \n\n, sure
<apeiros>
that's not the point
<apeiros>
"foo\nbar" this is two paragraphs. there's no empty line or spacing required for those to be paragraphs.
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<apeiros>
HTML's paragraph tag will make an empty line with most default CSS. maybe that's where this is coming from.
<nofxx>
Ok, it was the single quotes... .join("\n\r") -> you get "visual" paragraph , .join('\n\r') you get foo\n\rbar
<toretore>
right, but it's easy for someone to look at that and not see that there are paragraphs there
<apeiros>
(technically it doesn't make an empty line, it has a margin-bottom of 1em)
<nofxx>
that *after* some Markdown.render(foo).html
<apeiros>
nofxx: "\r\n" != "\n\r"
<apeiros>
"\r\n" is a thing, "\n\r" isn't
<matled>
apeiros: in fixed-width font text formatting (console, rfcs, ...) it seems to be common to use two newlines, too
<nofxx>
apeiros: sorry, yea... right order on every example hehe
<apeiros>
matled: yes. but that's not how the term "paragraph" is defined.
<matled>
latex also uses two new lines to denote a paragraph
<apeiros>
that's about styling.
<apeiros>
and that (latex uses…) is about markup
<matled>
apeiros: I know, was more along the lines of other things than HTML that have an empty line between paragraphs
<apeiros>
toretore: I agree. but that's why nofxx has to explain what his problem is. I'm not willing to just guess around. and now we know that wasn't it.
<toretore>
apeiros: sure
<toretore>
apeiros: but you understand what i meant
<apeiros>
nofxx: and you should now see why *copy paste the real code* matters.
<apeiros>
you didn't and we were left to guesswork
<apeiros>
if you had, we could have told you immediately.
<nofxx>
hahah, going to send you a printscreen of the git tree, so you'll believe =D
<toretore>
to markdown, a paragraphs are separated by two newlines; so if he renders \r\n he sees no paragraphs
<nofxx>
actually was my lack of knowledge of the \special chars and double quotes
<toretore>
nofxx: it's not funny, you're wasting people's time
<toretore>
you didn't show us your *actual* code
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<nofxx>
toretore: man, that *was* the actual code, here's it fixed now: Faker::Lorem.paragraphs(1 + rand(15)).join("\r\n\r\n")
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<canton7>
nofxx, it can't have been. had you tried to run it you would have got a syntax error
<apeiros>
^
<apeiros>
>> ["foo", "bar"].join('\r\n")
<eval-in>
apeiros => /tmp/execpad-e5b6d8e6ef11/source-e5b6d8e6ef11:2: unterminated string meets end of file ... (https://eval.in/50859)
<toretore>
nofxx: at no point in this conversation have you shown that exact code
<toretore>
oh nm, misread
<nofxx>
toretore: and you're being mean, I didn't had the intention to waste yr time. I'm sorry if you feel this way
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<toretore>
..
<nofxx>
ahh.. now I get it... jez, one quote single one double... sorry, was that moment everybody was talking I was testing left it there.
<onewheelskyward>
Lotsa nerds are cooks, it seems. :)
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<cout>
that first one should have been a 2pi pie
<onewheelskyward>
It's still genius. Impress the nerds in your life.
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<nofxx>
I cook like unix, can make 2 dishes, but I make'em very well
<nofxx>
macarrao and chocolate cake
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<cout>
make: *** No rule to make target `2 dishes'. Stop.
<nofxx>
yea, maybe I should focus more on the cake
<nofxx>
but ain't it like programming? math + hidden dark side of the force secrets
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<yorickpeterse>
please don't introduce m4/automate for the kitchen
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<onewheelskyward>
autoconf --kitchen
<onewheelskyward>
--with-knives --with-dishwasher
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<nofxx>
ok, webapp receive yr yaml or json recipe, make'em and delivers in yr house in some hours. mine idea, we could talk 50/50 if you want to code it now
<Uranio>
there is any camping (a ruby web framework) user here?
<erikh>
judofyr (the current maintainer) is occasionally in here
<nofxx>
Uranio: old school, heh? after why`s dissappear dunno what happened to camping.. checked gh?
<nofxx>
now we know
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<Uranio>
nofxx: yep, camping is almost banished, I'm just another dev of the project, the channel is dead and judofyr missing
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<Uranio>
I was just looking for how many we are remaining inside the sanking ship
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<nhmood_>
Is there a way to use a method from a different class (in the same module) without explicitly scoping it with the Module::Class.method? (http://paste.kde.org/pd4abaa30/)