00:55 <nicksydney> wpwrak: maybe try both balun and see which one is better ?

00:56 <nicksydney> wpwrak: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/anelok/tmp/ybox-draft-20140118.* --> why there is an asteriks ?

00:57 <nicksydney> wpwrak: what if you don't use R2 (0) what will happen ?

01:03 <wpwrak> (asterisk) a wildcard, to be expanded by humans :)

01:04 <nicksydney> pg 3 - pin 11,12,14,18,20,29 are not connected going to be left like that ? or maybe add a hackable pad/TP ? :)

01:04 <wpwrak> (R2) you mean omit the component ? the signal should be very weak then. you'd still send/receive *something* but with heavy loss

01:05 <wpwrak> hmm, seems that i screwed up DP/DM, too :-( well, at least that'll be easy to fix ...

01:06 <nicksydney> wpwrak: (R2) this is where I still don't understand .... R2 is a resistor and it supposed to be used for dropping current but in this case it is used to "strengthen" the signal ? thought normally use a capacitor ?

01:07 <wpwrak> (baluns) maybe later. swapping baluns means making and populating different boards. so it's not cheap. i'll get the parts, though

01:08 <wpwrak> (r2) no, it's just there to connect. it's a zero-ohm resistor.

01:09 <wpwrak> it could become an inductor, though. so it would (slightly) dampen high-frequency components of the signal.

01:39 <nicksydney> normally if you don't use 0 ohm what other component can you use ?

01:40 <wpwrak> in this case ? an inductor

01:40 <wpwrak> in general, a trace or a wire :)

01:48 <wpwrak> grmbl. also got the SPI pins on the cc2543 wrong :-( well, also easy to fix ...

01:51 <nicksydney> ok got to run going to do daddy duty :0

11:13 <nicksydney> wpwrak: what if we increase the track instead of putting 0 R ? will that helped more ?

12:49 <wpwrak> that's not the idea :) the idea is to have a place to put a component if we want to tune the antenna

12:50 <wpwrak> right now, i'm not interested in tuning, so i just place a 0R (R2) in series and nothing (the NC cap, C3) in parallel

12:50 <wpwrak> NC = not connected / not placed / ...

13:39 <wpwrak> ybox-draft-20140118.* updated

15:39 <DocScrutinizer05> other usual tags used instead of NC: DNP (do not populate), DNC, DNI (do not install)

15:40 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly since "NC" is often used on switches for "Normally Closed" - as opposed to "Normally Open" (some say N means "Neutral" here, the semantics is the same though)

15:41 <DocScrutinizer05> (also C may mean "Contact")

15:41 <DocScrutinizer05> so NeitralContact is another valid expansion of NC

15:41 <DocScrutinizer05> neutral even

15:52 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.eaglecentral.ca/forums/index.php/mv/msg/45534/141679/

19:14 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/usb_a_rcpt_mid.fpd: enlarge 48458 bay by tolerance (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/d83737d

19:16 <wpwrak> argh. with the heat, the junk in my cranial cavity simply doesn't work :-(

19:17 <wpwrak> milled a board and wondered why i had such a hard time to get it to start in the lower left corner. turns out if had the array index set to 1 and not 0. stupid ...

19:32 <DocScrutinizer05> send half of that heat over here, we can use it

20:23 <wpwrak> about 38 C here ... how much do you have ?

20:24 <wpwrak> oh, and while i was taking siestas, your little project leaped over 60k. yet another nice round number. congrats !

22:01 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, and just another 1500 donation for prototype made it leap over 61k, and made me aware that the meanwhile 8 prototypes (+ 1 series device per proto) had not been counted to the number of devices. So we leaped the 300 devices too :-D

22:02 <DocScrutinizer05> httpsx://shop.goldelico.com/campaign/9603.php

22:03 <DocScrutinizer05> -x

22:15 <larsc> hm, if prototypes make so much more money you should make a business out of selling prototypes, once the prototypes are done move on to the next project ;)

22:24 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't think prototypes make much money, neither are they a huge selling qty, nor is the win margin better than for normal series devices. Rather the opposite, since 1500 gets you one prototype PLUs one series device for ~700 or even more. It might turn out the prototypes are the business with smallest win margin