<roh>
there seems to be an exploitable dhl-fail sending stuff to brazil
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<whitequark>
cool, the CNC machine vendor agreed to pay for repairs. "send us an invoice"
<nicksydney>
whitequark: congrats !
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<wpwrak>
... from whitequark industries :)
<whitequark>
something like that, I guess
<wpwrak>
roh: tell heise !
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<larsc>
haha "In Brasilien gibt es so weit ich weiß nicht sooo viele Möglichkeiten der IP Verschleierung"
* whitequark
is watching one of his packages to bounce around
<whitequark>
day 35th. the package was sent to St. Petersburg and then immediately back to Moscow
<wpwrak>
larsc: yeah, those jungle drums each have very characteristic sounds
<wpwrak>
on the 35th of january, the time rift widened ...
<whitequark>
hehe
<whitequark>
ha, it actually was delivered properly yesterday, right in line with the ebay estimate
<whitequark>
... nevermind it could have been delivered 25 days earlier. did they deliberately bounce it around?
<whitequark>
I'm inclined to think "yes"
<wpwrak>
it all makes sense now. it arrived yesterday, that's why you're tracking its progress today, to see that on the 35th it will bounce between st. petersburg and moscow.
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<nicksydney>
whitequark: so basically you can't use your new CNC toy now ?
<apelete>
wpwrak DocScrutinizer05: just got the Xytronic LF-389D, looks much more high quality than my previous cheap iron
<apelete>
the shop also sent me 3Kg of iron "brackets for power supply", don't know what I'm supposed to do with that
<apelete>
was worried at first that the soldering station might be larger than I thought since I got 2 huge packages, one filled with 3Kg of (useless ?) iron
<apelete>
wpwrak: but it's quite small actually, already glad I followed you advice :)
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<apelete>
wpwrak DocScrutinizer05: just got the Stannol solder and flux pen right now, w00t
<whitequark>
nicksydney: not quite
<whitequark>
my adjustable power supply can serve it 3A@24V
<apelete>
this is perfect timing, now I can run and try to catch my train to FOSDEM
<whitequark>
but what it really needs is 2A@24V+4A@48V
<whitequark>
so I can kinda run it at really low speed
<whitequark>
and apparently it's very hard to source power supplies on >12V >1A locally, so I'm waiting for ebay
<nicksydney>
ebay or aliexpress is your friend :)
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<wpwrak>
apelete: great ! not sure what the iron brackets are supposed to do :) got a picture ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
is the powersupply equipped with a holder for the iron?
<DocScrutinizer05>
and maybe too light to stand without the brackets, when you insert the soldering iron to the holder?
<wpwrak>
maybe some wall-mounting stuff or such. but 3 kg sounds weird.
<DocScrutinizer05>
and shared RAM I suspect, also as usual
<nicksydney>
Bitcoin back: Major exchange resumes yuan trading -- http://www.cnbc.com/id/101379801 ... Bitcoin in HOT! again now....you can use Bitcoin to trade stock in China ..woooo
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, it's kinda nice, too little too late, too expensive (though yes *I* know, of all critics I know best why it's going to be expensive), it's too androidy
<wpwrak>
yeah, too late. they'll never know what hit them when neo900 enters the scene :)
<nicksydney>
DocScrutinizer05: when neo900 launch we need to throw party in each country !
<wpwrak>
anyone remembers Coherent Unix ? they offered a commercial Unix clone for 286 in the early 1990s. a very short while later, Linux came out ... *foof*
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: (fairphone) like if that's surprising
* whitequark
browses chipdip.ru's catalogue. it's sad.
<whitequark>
chipdip is more or less russian sparkfun: 2x more expensive, but supposedly only has carefully picked good stuff
<wpwrak>
like quality arduinos ?
<whitequark>
well, it's much more extensive, but yeah, you're not far off
<whitequark>
so I'm looking at fluxes section. about 100 positions.
<whitequark>
most of them seem to come via some bizarre form of time travel right from 1970's
<whitequark>
$10 for 0.5kg of some weird gunk. "recommended for quality soldering of radioelectronics"
<whitequark>
most of the rest is variations of RA and RMA, made to USSR standards, dating back to the ages where the biggest IC you could get would be a TTL quad NAND
<wpwrak>
(soldering fat) yeah, remember that stuff :) even 1980s ;-)
<whitequark>
boric acid?! flux for bismuth-based solders?!!
<whitequark>
was that before dinosaurs or actually after?
<wpwrak>
they probably kept a few in the permafrost until they had the industry to turn them into soldering fat
<whitequark>
hehe
<whitequark>
you are not far off, I'm sure some of that stuff is selling off huge stockpiles dating back to 90s and maybe 80s
<whitequark>
and they could maybe still last decades
<whitequark>
I know for sure ICs made in 1991 are still actively being sold
<wpwrak>
they undoubtedly will. well, at least unless a storm destroys that unmaintained storage facility
<whitequark>
you are again spot on, the storage conditions for them are truly horrendous
<whitequark>
not uncommon to just lie in a puddle for years
<wpwrak>
i suppose "soldering fat" is not very picky ;-)
<whitequark>
so if you want to have a yield of more than several % you need to bake them...
<whitequark>
well, ICs are more picky
<wpwrak>
ah, chips. yeah, them too
<whitequark>
it's a weird feeling, soldering an IC which you know is older than you
<wpwrak>
and it'll either die that very day ... or outlast you
<DocScrutinizer05>
wpwrak: coherent? suuure :-P
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<DocScrutinizer05>
and I think they asked "only" a bit over 1000DM for that
<DocScrutinizer05>
err, maybe I confuse this with the BSD tapes in mid 80s?
<DocScrutinizer05>
anyway I still recall SuSE in Fuerth/By and I got their first Release, some 22 5¼" floppies
<wpwrak>
before came linus' root and boot floppy, mcc, sls, ...
<wpwrak>
there was also a german distro, DLD or such
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<DocScrutinizer05>
sls, slackware, yes
<DocScrutinizer05>
haha. soldering fat. Recommended for copper tubs
<DocScrutinizer05>
or to etch away some unwanted traces on your PCB
<DocScrutinizer05>
the "radio electronics" they recmmend it for... is about 3mm diameter wires, huge trafos, and electron tubes
<DocScrutinizer05>
the sort of "radio" that fries your nuts with x-ray when you sit in that operator chair
<DocScrutinizer05>
aka military Russian mobile radar
<DocScrutinizer05>
dang, looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuSE#SUSE_distributions I really wonder what I managed to get from them, must've been the slackware port, since I'm rather sure the kernel been 0.98 or sth
<whitequark>
the prices are literally jaw-dropping. I've bought my adjustable psu for $50... they sell it for $180
<whitequark>
practically that exact one
<wpwrak>
the difference is of course the one sells you a cheap USD 50 toy while the other one sells you a nice USD 180 professional instrument ;-)
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<whitequark>
well, they'll actually repair it on warranty and replace without questions, yes
<whitequark>
but it doesn't warrant a 4x markup
<wpwrak>
unless if fails rather often :)
<whitequark>
even NE555! digikey sells them for 0.34@1, them for 1.2@1
<roh>
well.. somebody needs to pay rent.
<roh>
parts are always massively uppriced at stores.
<roh>
ask for a few thousand.. then you'll get different prices
<larsc>
a higher price only shows better quality
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<whitequark>
a few thousands... they were caught scraping farnell's catalog
<whitequark>
so they forward it to farnell with 2x markup
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<larsc>
interesting: "Stallman's position, in short, is that Emacs and other official GNU applications should not incorporate default features designed to work with non-GNU projects (like LLVM)..."
<wpwrak>
hmm, so at 60 lucidity begins to wane
<larsc>
"RMS only interacts with the GCC steering committee, and that way the gcc developers can develop code in peace without being constantly drawn in to free software purity discussions." :)
<lekernel>
didn't rms make sure personally that emacs runs on windows?
<DocScrutinizer05>
LIE!!! RMS interacted with *me* as well!
<DocScrutinizer05>
;-P
<DocScrutinizer05>
/o\
<larsc>
well you are now GNUified
<larsc>
no escape
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: look in the mirror. do you see "GCC STEERING COMMITTEE" written in invisible demon blood on your forehead ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
yeah, clearly
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<DocScrutinizer05>
honestly RMs seems just as misguided in his ideas about owning and ruling the complete content of gnu-* like Nokia (and Hildon Foundation) is obviously misguided about the status maemo
<DocScrutinizer05>
RMS*
<DocScrutinizer05>
wtf "M"?
<DocScrutinizer05>
"mean"?
<larsc>
Matthew or somehting
<DocScrutinizer05>
root mean square
<larsc>
like LPC ;)
<larsc>
although stricly speaking it is only LC
<DocScrutinizer05>
nfc
<DocScrutinizer05>
lennart poettering crap?
<wpwrak>
one systemd to rule them all. now also in Debian.
<larsc>
finally
<wpwrak>
well, i'm being prophetic. i think they'll still haggle over it some more but the outcome seems inevitable
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<whitequark>
debian decided? :(
<whitequark>
ah, no
<whitequark>
I still hope they choose upstart, it's much nicer
<DocScrutinizer05>
yeah, I love upstart since I seen systemd
<DocScrutinizer05>
before I hated it so much that I refused to rouch buntkuh just for that crap
<DocScrutinizer05>
touch*
<whitequark>
I liked initng the most, but it's dead since like 2006
<whitequark>
there's obviously a need for a more advanced init daemon though
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<wpwrak>
/bin/init.sh - all the flexibility one could possibly want ;-)
<larsc>
without the sh
<wpwrak>
it's a symlink :)
<whitequark>
wpwrak: brainfuck: infinite flexibility, zero usability
<whitequark>
you should be writing it
<whitequark>
it's simple--so unix-way!
<whitequark>
etc etc. what I mean is there is both subjective (cool beans) and objective (full-disk encryption) to have a faster-booting desktop, plus the whole runlevel system never suited desktop well *at all*
<whitequark>
s,to,reasons to,
<DocScrutinizer05>
3k :-o
<DocScrutinizer05>
I wonder how we shall handle those plain donations (if that's actually been one) like the "additional" 1500 of those 3k
<DocScrutinizer05>
one donation, once device. One donation >=1500: one proto plus one series.
<DocScrutinizer05>
s/once/one
<qi-bot>
DocScrutinizer05 meant: "one donation, one device. One donation >=1500: one proto plus one series. "
<wpwrak>
not all >= 1500 may want a prototype. before you order them to be made, you may want to check that.
<DocScrutinizer05>
sure
<DocScrutinizer05>
and not all >>1500 may want TWO protos and TWO series
<DocScrutinizer05>
A.W.P Is not maybe Almestberger, Werner P. ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
(I have no access to the webshop data)
<DocScrutinizer05>
aynway, afk for an Argentinian meal
<DocScrutinizer05>
o/
<wpwrak>
naw, i'm W.A. only one entry. that's all i can afford :)
<wpwrak>
GMO soy beans ? yummy ;-)
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<DocScrutinizer05>
eh, GMO?
* DocScrutinizer05
knows what's GMO TLA
<DocScrutinizer05>
but why?
<DocScrutinizer05>
aregntinian food? nah! argentinian entrecote, though much too little
<wpwrak>
it's used heavily in soy argentina agriculture now
<wpwrak>
ah, better ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
Argentina is on top with beef/person*year
<DocScrutinizer05>
fifty-a-few kg
<DocScrutinizer05>
~1kg/week
<DocScrutinizer05>
I think I could live from/with that ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
>>Die Rindfleischklassifizierung berücksichtigt die Muskelfülle, den Fettanteil und die Kategorie (Kalb, Bulle, Färse); nicht jedoch die Herkunft oder die Rasse.<< MEH!
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's incredible but the best place to eat good beef in Germany is Nuernberk Karstadt Steakpoint
<DocScrutinizer05>
ambiente has the appeal of a highway parking lot
<DocScrutinizer05>
but the meat is awesome
<DocScrutinizer05>
nuernberg, OMG
<DocScrutinizer05>
now this proves that the human brain just reduces performance when not powered properly
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<wpwrak>
it's the relaxing effect of a good meal ;-)