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<larsc> apelete: yes
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<apelete> larsc: good morning
<apelete> larsc: been doing some homework this week, reading about DMA & MMC/SD spec basics
<apelete> larsc: looking at a few drivers code in drivers/mmc/host/, it appears dmaengine_prep_slave_sg(), dmaengine_submit() and dma_async_issue_pending() are indeed important parts of the dmaengine API, just like you said
<larsc> good
<apelete> larsc: but I can't figure out where to start, each driver I read is organized differently
<apelete> larsc: any clue about what I should get started with ?
<larsc> You can start with adding code to request and free the dma channel
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<larsc> then for read_data() and write_data we need equivalents which use dma
<apelete> larsc: ok, thanks. request and release dma channel should be done in driver's probe() and remove() I guess, will get started with that
<larsc> I think davinci_mmc.c looks like what we need
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<apelete> larsc: looked at davinci_mmc.c yesterday night but I wasn't sure if it was a good example or not. thanks
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<larsc> among all of them it is probably the closest to what we'll need
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<pcercuei> nice GIFs
<larsc> Stage 2, Anger: "Lennart is literally Satan and Redhat is essentially the Microsoft of Linux"
<whitequark> you mean he's not?
<larsc> I'm just quoting the talk
<roh> 'getroffene hunde bellen'
<lekernel> at least, systemd fixes the problem of your laptop suspending when you close it during shutdown
<roh> he is just annoyed that lennart is fixing problems in a non-classic-unix-way
<roh> and that it wasnt his idea
<lekernel> (only to complete the shutdown when you open it again, if the battery wasn't drained already and awarded you a fsck)
<pcercuei> lekernel: but then you can't configure your laptop to suspend when closing the lid only if on battery
<roh> systemd is something i really look forward to, compared to the broken classic unix concepts. well. maybe when its avail on debian by default.
<larsc> yep, modern init done right
<roh> for the embedded world there is also a moden init/process management: procd and netifd
<roh> its using ubus, instead of dbus.
<pcercuei> init done right, heh
<pcercuei> I'll stick to using busybox' init system for now
<larsc> pcercuei: did you find a place to stay?
<pcercuei> no
<larsc> :/
<pcercuei> I'm not searching :)
<larsc> ok
<larsc> did you change your mind?
<pcercuei> about?
<larsc> munich
<pcercuei> no, I signed the contract
<pcercuei> however, looking for a place from here is not something easy; first because most of the offers disappear after one week, and I prefer to be able to visit
<larsc> ok
<larsc> did they ask you what kind of laptop you want?
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<pcercuei> huh
<pcercuei> I get a laptop?
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<pcercuei> I thought I'd have a regular desktop PC
<pcercuei> I want it pink :D
<larsc> nobody has a desktop pc, I think
<larsc> it always takes forever to order stuff, would be a bit unfortunate if there was no computer when you start ;)
<pcercuei> what do you mean by what "kind" of laptop I want?
<pcercuei> I'll have to choose between models?
<larsc> I think there is a netbook, a normal laptop, and a developer laptop
<larsc> you want the developer laptop
<larsc> more cpus, more ram, etc...
<larsc> I'm just asking, because it happend in the past that people simply forgot to order stuff
<pcercuei> and I believe I can't use my own laptop
<larsc> not if you want to have access to the intranet
<larsc> my vacation is over now, I'll ask tomorrow
<pcercuei> okay
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<DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: re Galden and excellent gas transporting properties: I just notices that it is easily explained by Joerg's 2nd physical law of aggregate states: the more a substance tends to transform into another aggregate state, the less of other substances of that aggregate state it can solve
<DocScrutinizer05> hot water can solve less gas since it's closer to becoming a gas itself
<DocScrutinizer05> Galden is pretty far from transition into gas phase
<whitequark> that's a really strange observation
<whitequark> otoh I never read up on the actual science behind gas solubility, maybe now's the time
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<DocScrutinizer05> strange observation? really? think of sugar in cold tea vs hot tea. Cold tea is closer to the solid aggregate state of sugar
<whitequark> strange is a poor word
<DocScrutinizer05> and ice can't solve any other solids, as we all know
<whitequark> what I meant is that it's not clear whether your observation reflects some underlying principle or it's just a lucky coincidence for several obvious cases
<whitequark> well, as I understand, ice won't include anything except water because it's a crystal
<DocScrutinizer05> I state it's a basic law, and invented/found by me
<whitequark> not all solids have such structure
<whitequark> sure you do :p
<whitequark> try this at home: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwolYFGM9pU
<whitequark> re solubility of gasses: for some reason no one actually writes about baseline solubility of different solvent/solute pairs
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<whitequark> also, damn paywalls :/
<DocScrutinizer05> re my 2nd law of aggregate: It still lacks the part about trans-aggregate cases, like gas in solid, sublimation, etc
<whitequark> ooooo, found a paper explaining solubility of oxygen in PFCs
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<whitequark> "The variety of approaches which have been used to determine the solubility of gasses in liquids is an adequate testimonial to man's ingenuity." hehehe
<DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: of course joerg's 2nd aggregate law is not sufficient to explain the special properties of Galden resp long-chain-alcohols
<whitequark> fascinating. that article links to another article directly discussing solubility of oxygen in PFCs (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021961471800046; paywall), which explains them via scaled particle theory (http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp040398b; paywall)
<whitequark> (tell me if you need a PDF for any of them)
<whitequark> weird. SPT apparently approximates both solvent and solute as hard spheres and derives the properties from *just the geometry*
<whitequark> and it also apparently has a good agreement with empirical results
<DocScrutinizer05> (geometry) much in line with my contruction of reality
<DocScrutinizer05> thermodynamics and solubility both are quite simple mechanical concepts basically
<whitequark> why doesn't it take dipole interactions into account?
<DocScrutinizer05> even electricity mostly can get explained by mechanical concepts
<DocScrutinizer05> well, dipoles should get taken into account, as a force
<DocScrutinizer05> without dipoles water wasn't possible
<whitequark> of course it is, just with different properties
<whitequark> lower entalphy of vaporization, etc
<DocScrutinizer05> yeah, that's what i meant
<whitequark> and yet, SPT doesn't take into account the non-geometrical properties of particles at all
<DocScrutinizer05> weird
<whitequark> exactly
<DocScrutinizer05> well, probably they can get away with considering a water macromolecule as inert object.
<whitequark> do water macromolecules even exist?
<DocScrutinizer05> if the gas is interacting with the dipoles then I bet that has some effect
<whitequark> from my understanding it doesn't have any structure, neither permanent nor transient
<DocScrutinizer05> water creates pseudo-macromolecules by building +o-+o-+o- chains
<DocScrutinizer05> thus the *effective* molecular mass is way higher than what H2O suggests
<whitequark> would like to see a source on that
<DocScrutinizer05> errr, elementar school physics
<whitequark> yeah, that can often be completely wrong :]
<DocScrutinizer05> however it's the explanation why water is a liquid on temperatures <100°C
<whitequark> "macromolecule" is a rather specific term and I'm afraid not the right one here
<DocScrutinizer05> probably, that's why I said "pseudo-macromolecules"
<whitequark> of course it has higher intermolecular forces due to polar molecules
<whitequark> also I don't think it's "chains", it can form more than two h-bonds
<DocScrutinizer05> well, up to you to find the terminology that pleases you
<DocScrutinizer05> I never even learned the english terms
<DocScrutinizer05> so I invent english words that seem to describe what I mean
<whitequark> you can just post the german ones, I'll bother to look them up
<whitequark> saves us both confusion
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<wpwrak_> grmbl. the new ybox is a pain to route.
<wpwrak_> well, i guess once i figure out a component placing that actually works it'll all be fine ...