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<apelete> larsc_: just to let you know, just fixed the issue where the kernel was crashing when device was connected to a usb host -> http://paste.debian.net/70453/
<apelete> next step: test if device is doing ethernet-over-usb as expected (ie, connecting the nanote to the internet via usb and see if it works)
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<nicksydney> wpwrak: nah still doesn't work....surprised that your was working
<wpwrak> hmm. nothing at all ? what does dmesg on linux say ?
<wpwrak> i read about problems with linux. i was thus pleasantly surprised that i could make the update without hitting them.
<wpwrak> if you board is older than mine, maybe it has an older version of the bootloader as well. that could explain incompatibilities.
<nicksydney> looks like there is a problem with the cable...here is what i get
<nicksydney> i tried both SDA and non-SDA usb
<nicksydney> dmesg comes out with something
<nicksydney> but it is not mounting
<wpwrak> that looks pretty good
<wpwrak> what happens if you try to mount it ?
<wpwrak> ah, the log is longer .. reading ...
<wpwrak> "Using Reset button (connected to SDA)" is what you want
<wpwrak> then try to mount it
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<nicksydney> let me try
<nicksydney> sudo mount -L BOOTLOADER /mnt/tmp....it just waiting for something :)
<wpwrak> good. sometimes it can take a moment.
<nicksydney> ok crossing fingers and toes :)
<nicksydney> hope this works
<nicksydney> if this works...that's one damn SLOW mounting
<wpwrak> depending on your system mounting by label may also not work at all
<wpwrak> well, i think it tries all the block devices to see which one is the right one
<wpwrak> not sure how smart it is about devices that don't want to respond
<wpwrak> anything interesting on dmesg ?
<wpwrak> if that mount doesn't work, just check the device name in dmesg and mount the /dev/sdc (or whatever it is) directly
<nicksydney> crazy...
<wpwrak> ouch
<wpwrak> maybe try a different usb port, different cable, ... ?
<wpwrak> ... different pc :)
<nicksydney> :)
<nicksydney> let me see
<nicksydney> trying with /dev/sdc
<nicksydney> wpwrak: no luck...using /dev/sdc getting Buffer I/O error on device sdc, logical block .....
<wpwrak> mmh. the mess you got before kinda hinted at that. different port/cable/pc ?
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<nicksydney> tried another computer and cable .. no luck still the same
<nicksydney> Buffer I/O issues
<wpwrak> hmm, i see an encounter with a window in your future then ...
<wpwrak> after updating the firmware of the board, the problem should disappear (i hope :)
<nicksydney> yeah looks like that...but now the sucky things...need a cd rom to boot windows from .. yuck
<nicksydney> the cd-rom is working in one laptop but it crashes when installing windows
<nicksydney> while the other old pc cd rom is not working
<nicksydney> seems like you can see where you have gone thanks to Google you being tracker
<nicksydney> *tracked
<wpwrak> useful if you lose something during a pub crawl that leaves with huge gaps in your memory :)
<nicksydney> hahaha...good one :)
<nicksydney> wpwrak: let me guess that's what you do on weekends
<nicksydney> hahaha
<wpwrak> sometimes ;-)
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<whitequark> you need to enable it explicitly though
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<nicksydney> whitequark: you mean the tracking ?
<whitequark> yes
<nicksydney> think if you use gmail or one of their service that could be the trigger point as most probably they check your IP to get lat and long
<nicksydney> wpwrak: got my shipment from buy-display.com
<nicksydney> 5inch baby !
<whitequark> nicksydney: trigger point? it's an opt-in service
<nicksydney> whitequark: what you mean by opt-in service ?
<whitequark> nicksydney: it asks me to opt in to enable collecting history
<nicksydney> whitequark: not familiar with that term sorry
<whitequark> well, it's disabled by default
<nicksydney> whitequark: hmmm..where about is the setting ?
<whitequark> page you linked to, upper right corner, cog icon
<whitequark> and when I went to "Dashboard": Google Location History is not yet enabled for your Google Account. Please enable Location History and check back in a few days to allow for enough location history to be collected.
<nicksydney> oh ok i understand .. i mean it is able to track and keep history based on your location through using their services on your devices...that's why it's able to know where you were before...if i looked at mine it shows on the weekend i went somewhere and the only thing i carry was an android device that have got Google apps
<nicksydney> so i assume that every check ins using their service they are tracking that
<whitequark> I guess so
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<apelete> Good morning
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<apelete> larsc_: hi there
<larsc_> hi
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<apelete> larsc_: was thinking about the state of the non-upstream qi kernel patches, since musb glue layer is porgressing fine
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<apelete> it still needs more testing, but fixed an issue for eth-over-usb feature yesterday night -> www.seketeli.fr/git/~apelete/qi-kernel.git/commit/?h=jz4740-musb&id=6371122ffc97a1e40e250c0daf3606d4c1772e47
<apelete> if everyhting goes fine, glue layer might finally be ready for release in its current state
<larsc_> that's awsome
<apelete> larsc_: but it relies on some non-upstream patches in qi-kernel I think
<apelete> how should we proceed to get all of this upstream ?
<apelete> larsc_: finding out which patches are mandatory is a first step I guess, but it's the actual submission process I'm thinking about
<larsc_> the usual way, send the patch to the maintainer :)
<apelete> you mean sending the patches on behalf of the authors if needed ?
<apelete> larsc_: I can take care of it if that's ok, just need to know if it is
<larsc_> which patches exactly do you mean?
<larsc_> -> lunch, be back later
<apelete> larsc_: hmmm, not sure which, there's alot of them in the qi-kernel tree and I remember needing them to test the fix I sent upstream for musb host negatiation protocol
<apelete> <larsc_> -> lunch, be back later
<apelete> no problem, we'll discuss this after lunch if you have time
<apelete> bon appétit ;-)
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<apelete> larsc_: looking at the list of patches on jz-3.12, can't really tell which is needed in order to build & use the musb glue layer code -> http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2013-November/010406.html
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<larsc_> I don't think you should actually need any of the for musb
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<whitequark> see replies from SketchBoard
<apelete> larsc_: ok, will try to rebase the musb glue layer code onto upstream 3.12 and see how it goes
<apelete> larsc_: will keep you posted, thanks for your time :)
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<nicksydney> wpwrak: another day another ironing with anelok to copper board....this time not good
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<wpwrak> what kind of paper are you trying ? and where are the problems ?
<nicksydney> tried different brochure and magazine paper
<nicksydney> haven't bought the new photo paper
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<wpwrak> i'd stick with photo paper. magazine paper seems to be a high risk for disintegration. and getting that paper off the board is a pain.
<wpwrak> better find out how to make some nice solid glossy printer paper work
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<wpwrak> well, if it makes you feel better when it says on the box that it's for toner transfer ;)
<wpwrak> ah wait. is it ...?
<wpwrak> ah no, that's for the photochemical process again
<wpwrak> well, you have to choose. if you keep on hopping between the two you'll never get anywhere
<nicksydney> :)
<nicksydney> will try again on the weekend with different paper hope have better luck
<wpwrak> perfect :) if you only vary a small number of parameters, it's easier to debug your process. there are typical categories of problems that can sometimes be solved with process variations.
<wpwrak> something else you can try is to make more than one test board at once. that way, you can see the effect of variations of the ironing (e.g., how long you keep the iron on the board, how hard you press, and so on)
<wpwrak> with manual ironing, i had a fair amount of variation. sometimes a board was perfect and the next one all wrong. takes some patience.
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<nicksydney_> the other idea that i was suggested by my wife was to heat up a teflon and use the heated part on the board as the heat are consistent when
<nicksydney_> press the teflon heated part to the board :)
<wpwrak> hmmm. not sure if this wouldn't get a) too hot, and b) you'd have trouble applying enough pressure.
<wpwrak> but you can try it and see what happens :) maybe cut a number of small boards, maybe the size of atusb, and transfer that design. then you can try a lot of process variations in parallel. the difficulty of atusb is about the same as of anelok.
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<pcercuei> larsc_, from that list, what are the best places to live? http://pastebin.com/p9JKx6Ej
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<larsc_> hm, maybe schwabing or bogenhausen, but it really depends on what you are looking for
<pcercuei> a WG
<larsc_> yea
<larsc_> I live in Milbertshofen, which is quite close to the office
<larsc_> schwabing is also quite close
<pcercuei> I'd rather be close to the center
<larsc_> schwabing is close to the center and close to the office
<larsc_> kind of in between
<larsc_> maxvorstadt is a bit closer to the center
<pcercuei> any good website to find WGs?
<larsc_> I only know wg-gesucht.de
<larsc_> half of the places in your list I've never heard before, which means they are probably more outside
<pcercuei> I was looking on http://www.easywg.de
<pcercuei> at least yours has an English version :p
<pcercuei> what the
<pcercuei> 1000€ of deposit
<larsc_> yea, it's crazy
<larsc_> btw. do you want to go to fosdem?
<pcercuei> that's like 1000 times the money I have left
<pcercuei> I don't feel 100% comfortable with presenting something there
<pcercuei> but I can, if you want me to
<larsc_> it's to late to present anyway
<pcercuei> ah
<larsc_> deadlines are already over
<pcercuei> so you mean go there to attend comferences?
<larsc_> yes
<pcercuei> sure then
<larsc_> it's on the 1&2 of februrary
<larsc_> not sure how this fits with your plans for moving
<larsc_> but if you have time and want to go I'll try to get some funding for it
<pcercuei> honestly I can go only if I don't have to pay for it, I'm too short of money right now
<larsc_> that's why I'm asking so I can try to get funding for you
<pcercuei> the prices are depressing
<pcercuei> in Chile I was living in the capital for 150€/month
<pcercuei> even in France the prices are not that high
<wpwrak> pcercuei: you should visit london. then you won't complain about prices anywhere else. well, maybe in the emirates :)
<larsc_> yea, I was quite supprised, those prices seem pretty high for a WG
<pcercuei> that one is cheap
<larsc_> "students only"
<pcercuei> I'm a student :p
<larsc_> right
<larsc_> oh and its a bruschenschaft...
<larsc_> fraternity
<larsc_> except that they are very conservative
<larsc_> you wouldn't be allowed to bring a girl home or something
<lekernel> because that would make the other frat boys jealous?
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<larsc_> probably
<apelete> larsc_: internet-over-usb working on the NanoNote with musb driver -> http://paste.debian.net/70587/
<larsc_> yeay!
<larsc_> very nice
<larsc_> pretty awsome actually
<apelete> larsc_: yeah, thanks. took me a while but it's finally ready :)
<apelete> let's clean up some code and prepare some patches now
<pcercuei> ah, crap
<pcercuei> that's why it's so cheap :o
<pcercuei> apelete: good job!
<larsc_> yea, otherwise nobody would want to move in with them
<apelete> larsc_: are you living in Munich ?
<larsc_> yes
<apelete> larsc_: didn't know that, I was visiting some friends there a few ago, at the end of november :)
<apelete> s/a few/a few weeks/
<qi-bot> apelete meant: "larsc_: didn't know that, I was visiting some friends there a few weeks ago, at the end of november :)"
<wpwrak> in those US movies about college life, aren't the fraternities the places with all the excessive parties and orgies ?
<larsc_> apelete: ah, too bad :/
<larsc_> wpwrak: but you know what a burschenschaft is right?
<apelete> larsc_: yeah, let's hope we meet at fosdem anyway
<wpwrak> larsc_: only vaguely. what little i heard of them sounded sufficiently suspicious to me to douse any further curiosity
<apelete> pcercuei: prices in Munich seem a lot cheaper than in Toulouse to me, except for renting an apartment
<pcercuei> oh, you're in Toulouse?
<larsc_> wpwrak: yea, definitly not the crowed you'd want to hang out with
<larsc_> crowd
<apelete> pcercuei: yeah, where do you live right now ?
<pcercuei> near Cherbourg, Normandy
<pcercuei> fun story, I had the choice to go in Munich or Toulouse
<pcercuei> I eventually chose Munich
<wpwrak> toulouse needs to invest more into beer advertizing
<apelete> pcercuei: fun indeed. what are going there for if I may ask ?
<apelete> wpwrak: :D
<pcercuei> for an internship
<apelete> oh, great
<pcercuei> wpwrak: advertize which beer? There's no good beer in France
<apelete> pcercuei: what company did you chose between then ?
<pcercuei> Analog Devices Inc. in Munich, where larsc_ works
<pcercuei> versus Free Electrons in Toulouse
<apelete> both great choices, I know the guys at Free Electrons, a happy bunch
<pcercuei> yep
<apelete> Munich is probably a good choice since you're still a student. different culture, opportunity to travel abroad and working on interesting things of course ;)
<pcercuei> only problem, I don't speek german
<apelete> yeah well, I know someone who lives there and learned only after coming there
<apelete> pcercuei: you'll work it out probably, don't worry :)
<pcercuei> yeah, I don't worry about it
<apelete> in the end I was very impressed with the city overall, it was my first time in Munich and I enjoyed it. will probably go back when I get the chance :)
<pcercuei> sure, come and say hi
<pcercuei> we'll take a beer
<apelete> pcercuei: let's hope you can come too fosdem with larsc_, that would be really great
<apelete> s/too/to
<qi-bot> apelete meant: "pcercuei: let's hope you can come to fosdem with larsc_, that would be really great"
<pcercuei> yep
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