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<DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: not beer at 35°, but fridge that works absorber with gas heating (some even can take candle for power source ;-D )
<DocScrutinizer05> during daytime probably even solar power will work to freeze your beer, the more sun the colder
<DocScrutinizer05> you find those critters in mobile homes aka campers usually
<DocScrutinizer05> nice design: not a single moving part (except door)
<DocScrutinizer05> so i guess that's what you call "solid state"
<wpwrak> heh, i know that type. my parents had one. "early years of the 20th century" bah, well into the 1980es
<wpwrak> solar panels are risky, though. we get rather strong winds around here. and intense hailstorms.
<wpwrak> so fixed solar panels would get smashed about 3 times per year. unless you make them considerably stronger than a car roof. movable panels could become victims of those little tornados.
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<roh> well... do the math. around here if your building is big enough and you need enough thermal power even small gas motors with exhaust power reuse make sense economically
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<wpwrak> yeah, most blackouts are well below 24 hours. and the big ones are highly clustered. so a permanent installation doesn't really make sense.
<roh> i see... well.. buy a high powered generator, sit it out on gas
<roh> or is there a reliable natural gas grid?
<wpwrak> possibly. so far it was reliable but i don't know at what point it may fail, too
<wpwrak> and no, i wouldn't get a BIG one. i'm not strong enough to move around a 100 kg machine
<wpwrak> besides, the bigger ones are shit quality
<wpwrak> whis one looks nice, though: http://www.yamahaef2000is.com/
<wpwrak> alas, cost almost 3x as much as a cheap one with similar characteristics
<roh> big is from my perspective 5-15kw
<roh> enough to power an normal nerd household
<roh> basically a small 3-phase power generator with electric starter
<wpwrak> 5 kW+ is huge. not movable.
<roh> something which could, combined with ups could turn on automatically
<roh> sure.. 5kw is small.. think honda with a handle
<roh> 1-5
<wpwrak> yeah, right. i'm not trying to build a cult around the power failures :)
<roh> 15 is like a small air compressor. 2 wheels and a handle
<wpwrak> about 150-200 kg, i guess
<wpwrak> or very very very expensive but a but lighter
<wpwrak> already the cheap 2 kW ones are about 50 kg
<wpwrak> 7.5 kW .. 92 kg
<wpwrak> that's the top of that range. let's see what the competition has ...
<wpwrak> ah, here's one: 16 kV, 176 kg
<wpwrak> but indeed, that one could also supply most of my air conditioners ;-)
<roh> hm. the last small honda i handled we carried up stairs with 2 or 3 persons
<roh> about 5kw, 2 phase output
<wpwrak> 2-3 persons for 50 kg that sounds about right
<roh> shouldnt 5kw already be enough when you leave the airco out of the picture?
<roh> that was the last big outage i remember in berlin
<roh> about 5-7 years ago.. about 1 hour...
<wpwrak> now, when power fails, i would either have to summon people to my place to carry the generator up to the terrace, kinda difficult if the power is out
<wpwrak> or drag it there myself
<roh> we took the event to start up and then service the generator... the battery was dead.. so we carried it to a car and bridged them
<DocScrutinizer05> or ake it that big that nobody ever will move it away from terrace
<wpwrak> 2 kW should be enough for the PC and screens. that's what i'm aiming for. A/C is too far out.
<roh> put it in a shack on the terrace
<DocScrutinizer05> make*
<DocScrutinizer05> I'm also looking for a nice handy 2kW
<wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: don't forget the elements. these things are usually not designed for prolonged outdoors use
<wpwrak> the yamaha looks kinda nice. quiet, modern technology
<DocScrutinizer05> meh, give it a plastic hood
<wpwrak> tank is a bit small
<wpwrak> plastic + wind = no plastic :)
<DocScrutinizer05> LOL
<roh> wpwrak: or buy a big one and sell the power to the neighbours by the kwH
<wpwrak> hehe :)
<DocScrutinizer05> wtf is wrong with Europe or with yamaha? http://www.pfau-motorgeraete.de/Stromerzeuger/Stromerzeuger-EF2000iS-Yamaha--507.html
<DocScrutinizer05> 1000$ vs 2000EUR
<DocScrutinizer05> well 1700EUR
<DocScrutinizer05> the Yamaha looks nice
<wpwrak> nice taxes. EUR 1700 looks actually more expensive than in argentina :)
<DocScrutinizer05> well, a little searching made that more like 1300
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<whitequark> wpwrak: your air conditioners ?
<whitequark> how many do you need
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<wpwrak> whitequark: naw, i just want my pc to have power. i can survive without air conditioning. drink more water, take more showers :)
<wpwrak> well, pc, and if it's a really long blackout, also the fridge
<whitequark> spoken by a true geek
<whitequark> "the beer must flow" ? :p
<wpwrak> yeah :)
<wpwrak> beer is important. liquid carbohydrates. because, without power, it's 14 floors down to go shopping, then 14 floors up again
<whitequark> maybe you could arrange a series of ropes and pulleys. a makeshift elevator.
<whitequark> and (unless you're suicidal) you would need an accomplice below
<wpwrak> hmm, why do i have to think of this ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzAtimGNVsQ
<DocScrutinizer05> God! watched 3 movies on youtube, now I feel nausea
<whitequark> "doctor, if I press here, it hurts" "don't do that, then"
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<larsc_> quiet day
<wpwrak> indeed
<larsc_> must be holiday season
<wpwrak> well, DocScrutinizer05 is probably busy with neo900, whitequark should be in the middle of the customary pre-fueling sessions, apelete may be celebrating that m-usb works, a bunch of people may be busy preparing for CCC, ...
<whitequark> pre-fueling ?
<wpwrak> the process where you replace bodily water with low-grade vodka, to prepare for the serious stuff of the holidays
* whitequark sighs
<wpwrak> sorry, russian stereotypes are just way too much fun to not make fun of them ;-)
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<wpwrak> apropos stereotypes, this is by far the best video on russian street life i've seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-l4w-DIiXk
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<whitequark> thank you for reminding me why I will never ever drive
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<larsc_> teleportation is so much cheaper anyway
<whitequark> public transport ?
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<larsc_> mass to energy conversion ;)
<larsc_> matter of course
<wpwrak> whitequark: those folks seem to really enjoy driving :)
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<larsc_> they stayed quite calm
<whitequark> ([expletive] because it's impossible to translate while preserving the fine details of meaning)
<whitequark> dialogue after the impact: "[expletive] awesome... [idiomatic expletive meaning "copulating cats"], [expletive]... we're swimming... wow, [expletive]... where are we swimming? to the shore, [expletive]. straight? to the shore. don't touch the steering wheel"
<wpwrak> kewl :) i love the coolness with which they react to all those accidents
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<wpwrak> zrafa: btw, are you having any luck with taking to the freescale chips ?
<zrafa> wpwrak: I have not started yet
<zrafa> wpwrak: we will try with a parallel port . But first we will do some tiny board to expose the pins as well
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<wpwrak> hmm, better use ben + ubb
<zrafa> wpwrak: I was thinking in that as well, tempted because the 3.3v from ubb :)
<zrafa> wpwrak: but we did not do much yet. Lot of bored stuff with students now at the end of the year :(
<zrafa> (papers, forms, exams)
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<nickoe> wpwrak: meh, I have forgot how to use fped again...
<nickoe> I can't make it make a pad without failing
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<nickoe> Trying to make a pad from vec __0 and __1 does not work
<wpwrak> nickoe: that's because you have a loop
<nickoe> mmm, on those?
<wpwrak> nickoe: the loop repeats everything in its frame, including the pads
<nickoe> also when it does not use the loop, m?
<nickoe> so I just need to creat another fram with the loop
<wpwrak> yes, that will work
<nickoe> wpwrak: mmm, does not even work like this, http://folk.ntnu.no/nicko/moar_stuff/circularthing2.fpd
<nickoe> if it ever uploads
<nickoe> now
<wpwrak> your loop is still in the root frame
<wpwrak> so fped repeats the root frame (and everything below)