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<nicksydney> trying to understand about touch controller...looking at product like this http://www.sis.com/products/product.aspx?m=588&region=en-global&rcsn=49&rssn=53&risn=186 ..it says "32bit RISC touch-screen panel processor " does this mean that this IC is only used for processing touch or it is also used to drive screen too ?
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<wpwrak> apparently only touch
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<nicksydney> interesting.. so that means most x86 devices uses touch ic
<nicksydney> while ARM based probably not (not 100% sure)
<nicksydney> let me see if imx6 has got a touch
<nicksydney> so that means touch is a separate ic
<nicksydney> even in ARM
<wpwrak> note that there are tricks to do touch in other ways. have a look at the app notes. sometimes there's one about that.
<nicksydney> oh really..ok i check it out
<nicksydney> the iMX solo lite single core cost $14 something buying direct from freescale (for low qty)
<nicksydney> but BGA :)
<wpwrak> if you want tqfp, get an i.MX233 :)
<nicksydney> correct me if i'm wrong with this kind of chip (for eg: MX233) the only way to "program" them is either it boots up from sdcard or flash ?
<nicksydney> it's not like programming the cortex-m series
<nicksydney> uhhh...mx233 no longer manufactured according to freescale which means the price supposed to be cheaper but noooo...it's the same pricing as imx6 ...wth
<wpwrak> oh, EOL ? crap
<wpwrak> and no, prices go up then
<wpwrak> (pgm) it doens't have internal flash, so you need to feed it from the outside. there's usually a ton of options for doing that
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<whitequark> the comments are full of people failing to understand what migen is
<nicksydney> whitequark: does migen with any FPGA ?
<nicksydney> interested to get one of this http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/Papilio-One-250K-p-809.html?cPath=6_10 later on
<whitequark> afaik it does
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<apelete> Hi larsc
<apelete> larsc: still going to FOSDEM ?
<larsc> no
<larsc> :(
<apelete> oh, too bad :-(
<apelete> I guess pcercuei isn't going either then
<larsc> he's moving to Munich this weekend
<apelete> that's a good news :)
<apelete> too bad we won't be meeting this weekend though, maybe another time
<larsc> yep
<apelete> larsc: btw, I've been documenting the process of writing an musb glue layer (since I'm stuck on the mmc driver dma right now)
<apelete> larsc: it's still a draft, but do you still it would be useful enough to be submitted upstream ?
<apelete> s/still/think/
<qi-bot> apelete meant: "larsc: it's think a draft, but do you think it would be useful enough to be submitted upstream ?"
<larsc> probably
<larsc> more and better documentation is always good
<apelete> larsc: okay, will try to do this thoroughly enough to be useful, then I'll show you the final result before trying to submit it
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<qwebirc67069> hello
<qwebirc67069> anybody here?
<larsc> hello qwebirc67069
<qwebirc67069> ii have some problem with the avalon miner, which i cannot connect into it, so i can configure and start mining
<qwebirc67069> any idea how could i get into it
<qwebirc67069> i tried to reset the button on the back side near the rj45 port
<larsc> no idea what that is, sorry
<qwebirc67069> and still i cannot get into it
<wpwrak> i know what it is but don't know details either ...
<wpwrak> qwebirc67069: xiangfu would know :) ... if he was here right now
<wpwrak> larsc: avalon miner is an ASIC-based bitcoin miner. xiangfu is working on that.
<qwebirc67069> yes, would be glad if somebody can be of help
<larsc> ok
<whitequark> wpwrak: working on avalon? huh
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<wpwrak> whitequark: he's doing the control software
<whitequark> that's kind of a sad thing to work on
<whitequark> since bitcoin is explicitly designed to make any kind of miners useless shortly after they're introduced
<wpwrak> i guess the idea it to make as much dough as you can while you're leading the pack
<wpwrak> not a bad idea. better than building a patent fortress you defend with an army of IP lawyers for the next 20 years, like some others do :)
<wpwrak> live fast, get rich, move on :)
<whitequark> wpwrak: most other companies simply mine the hell out of it, while they can
<whitequark> and then they deliver on the verge of maximum acceptable date, and when people actually get the miners, the difficulty is up already
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<whitequark> if you're lucky, you offset the cost of the miner. usually it's even less than that
<wpwrak> the shadier ones do that, yes
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<nicksydney> wpwrak: "live fast, get rich, move on :)" --> if ever there is a way like that i'm open to suggestion :)
<wpwrak> the second line is: "... or die trying" :)
<larsc> I though it was 'die young'
<nicksydney> it's amazing how much i can really abuse kicad when i turn off DRC..it's like heaven !
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<larsc> break all the rules
<wpwrak> no design, no rules, no check ;-)
<nicksydney> love when you can break rules :)
<wpwrak> now if i could just remember where i put that bag with all those charmingly expensive pogo pins ...
<larsc> is that what comes after the "move on"?
<nicksydney> wpwrak: moving up to very tiny MCU http://ctrlv.in/289105 :)
<wpwrak> it may have been a misguided attempt to put some order into my messy lab. that always backfires ...
<nicksydney> going to attempt using the right angled header pin that i have lying around ... http://ctrlv.in/289108...http://ctrlv.in/289109 ... let's see how it will turn out :)
<nicksydney> wpwrak: our brain is 'programmed' to remember where we put things last...if we move things around it will take sometime before the brain readjust it's positioning again :))
<wpwrak> i'd say our brain is programmed to remember there it remembers we put things. so if we move them around that memory may be wrong afterwards ...
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<DocScrutinizer05> looks like mirrored
<DocScrutinizer05> sorry http://ctrlv.in/289108 normalizing URL
<nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: yes it's mirrored so when it is ironed to the copper board it looks the same as the screen
<DocScrutinizer05> don't you hold it the wrong way round then?
<DocScrutinizer05> ooh, and the post connector could scratch your print
<DocScrutinizer05> btw you probably shouldn't touch the print resp the toner. Some fat from fingerprints may defeat transfer to PCB
<nicksydney> yes, when it is on the copper board the pin will be soldered the other way round
<nicksydney> the printout is just to test the size of the pin ... not using this one..i have a separate print later on with another different paper
<DocScrutinizer05> aah, ok
<nicksydney> i always print out the board on a A4 normal paper to layout the components first to get a visual understanding whether i can solder and whether there will be enough spacing, etc ...once im happy than i will print on the transfer toner paper
<nicksydney> the printer was the best investment i made....$29 :)
<nicksydney> and will last me at least for another 1-2 yrs
<roh> made?
<nicksydney> Fuji Xerox Docuprint P205b ... they had a clearance sale when i bought it..so bought it at the right time
<nicksydney> wpwrak helped me to troubleshoot the printer when i bought it :)
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<nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: anything exciting happening on the Neo-land ?
<nicksydney> the madness keep on rolling on from media http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/01/the-chinese-want-your-land-not-the-house/
<DocScrutinizer05> hmm?
<wpwrak> nicksydney: they actually want the tender meat of your children. to feed their dogs.
<nicksydney> wpwrak: can't say much better than that
<wpwrak> but it's nice to see that propaganda hasn't changed all that much since the first tribes gathered outside the caves ;-)
<nicksydney> human apperance can changed but attitude/behaviour will never ever changed
<nicksydney> once an animal will always be an animal :)
<nicksydney> had a painful experience adding driver for android ... thought the ubuntu version will work but NOT!....so found another driver for jellybean and voila! it works :)
<nicksydney> love it when all things falls into the right places
<wpwrak> said the brick as it hit your head :)
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<nicksydney> must be a heavy brick
<nicksydney> lesson learned :)
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