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<nicksydney> interesting comment from some Imagination 'Technology PR' regarding open source drivers for PowerVR http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/01/10/a80-optimusboard-features-allwinner-octa-core-big-little-soc/#comment-147660
<nicksydney> wpwrak: was looking at y-box schematics http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/anelok/tmp/ybox-draft-20140116.pdf .. can you tell me please why the CON2 GND is connected to VBUS from CON3 and VBUS from CON2 connected to GND of CON3 .... I thought it should be GND - GND and VBUS to VBUS ? sorry bit lost here :)
<wpwrak> urgh
<roh> d- and d+ get swapped too
<roh> the connector is pinned reverse or so
<wpwrak> seems that some idiot forgot to flip the thing
<roh> nice find nick
<nicksydney> wpwrak: *whew* sorry I thought there is a reason behind the switching of those 2 as I'm still new in this kind of things so was not sure whether it's my understanding :)
<nicksydney> roh: thanks
<roh> thats what review is all about! :)
<roh> somebody learns something, and somebody doesnt fry his usb device ;)
<wpwrak> actually .. lemme check whether the schematics symbol is correct ...
<nicksydney> wpwrak: you are using this USB connector http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ZX62-B-5PA%2811%29/H11634CT-ND/1993369 and I have this kind of connector http://www.ebay.com/itm/320986999116 that it looks the same in terms of pin connection am i correct ? .... and also when i was playing with my USB LED board I solder the 4 legs not to GND but yours is connected to GND...what is the benefits of connecting the 4
<nicksydney> leg to GND ?
<wpwrak> the shield shouldn't float. not sure if just connecting all the shields is ideal but it can't be entirely wrong either
<wpwrak> symbol looks right. so the routing is indeed wrong
<wpwrak> nicksydney: thanks a lot ! that saved me some future headache :)
<wpwrak> will fix it later. gotta run now.
<nicksydney> wpwrak: no worries....thanks for sharing the schematics it helped me also to learn a number of things of connecting USBs together :)
<nicksydney> wpwrak: for CC2543 how do you begin in determining what components to connect to which pin when you start designing this ? do you go through and read everything that is in the datasheet ? or there is something like a reference template that is provided by the chip vendor
<nicksydney> I was thinking if we want to start designing something with a new chip reading through datasheet for someone like me is going to be a nightmare as surely I won't be able to understand all the detail technical specs that is listed inside the datasheet so interested to know what are the normal steps that you take
<nicksydney> wpwrak: was googling for 2450BM15A0002 and found this http://www.ti.com/lit/an/swra297b/swra297b.pdf ... noticed on page 4 there is a diagram http://ctrlv.in/284141 .... was wondering if the function of L252 shown is the same as the Y-box R2 ?
<nicksydney> it's so cool..that the discrete components that TI normally used now sits nicely and pretty in 1 single 'small' chip http://ctrlv.in/284144
<nicksydney> wpwrak: another question...looking through CC2543 datasheet pg 21 under the 'Application Information' section pin 18 is connect to GND while y-box is to 3v3 ... and pin 23 and 24 connect to 3v3 with 220pF and 100nF while datasheet connect pin 23,24 and 29 straight to power (2-3.6v) ?
<nicksydney> sorry too many questions :)
<nicksydney> boy oh boy..CC2543 is not cheap eh...digikey selling them for over $6/piece :(
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<nicksydney> interesting to make this as open source project :)
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<nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: seems like Neo900 can be used for this kind of thing --> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/cloudphone-3g-revolutionize-how-you-care
<nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: just removed all the unnecessary parts that we don't need :)
<nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: Neo900 has got Barometer/thermometer ... is the thermometer can be use to measure body temperature too ?
<wpwrak> nicksydney: (selecting cc2543 pins) well, first i have a look at what functions are in the chip. then i select the ones i need. e.g., UART in SPI mode for SPI and a timer output for the clock that goes to the KL25
<wpwrak> then there are often various pins one can select for one function. so i try to pick something that looks low on conflicts and where the order of signals on both ends matches
<wpwrak> this is just heuristics. sometimes i find that my choice wasn't all that great and i reassign them later on
<nicksydney> what you mean by "looks low on conflicts and where the order of signals on both ends matches" ?
<wpwrak> "low on conflicts" = not in an area where lots of things come together (if i have a choice)
<wpwrak> "order of signals" = if chip 1 needs to talk to chip 2 and chip 1 has the signals A B C D in this fixed order but i can configure different orders for chip 2, then i should try to find something close to A B C D as well
<wpwrak> else i have a lot of crossed signals
<nicksydney> the signals A B C D you are referring to is SPI et al ?
<wpwrak> (L252) yes, that's the matching/tuning circuit. their LC combination is a bit unusual. but i guess they know what they do :)
<wpwrak> the values in the tuning/matching circuit depend on lots of hard to calculate factors. sometimes you don't need anything. so it's all trial and error. for the prototype, i don't plan on making a lot of RF optimization experiments. but i include space for the components in the circuit, so that it can be tuned if needed.
<wpwrak> (pin 18) that looks like a bug in TI's schematics ;-)
<wpwrak> (other pins) note the fine print in the data sheet: "Power Supply Decoupling Capacitors are Not Shown"
<nicksydney> (pin 18)..how do you deduce it's a bug ? is it because the pin is labelled VDD so it should not be to GND ?
<wpwrak> in anelok/anelok, run dsv ccsch
<wpwrak> that's their reference circuit. that's the one i used as a basis for power. and it has pin 18 ad VDD,
<wpwrak> like the data sheet does almost everywhere. but yes, it's a not very nice bug in ti's documentation.
<wpwrak> (signals A B C D) yes. SPI has lots of them, and the order often has slight variations
<nicksydney> (dsv) no data sheet found for "ccsch" ?
<wpwrak> git pull; make dsv; dsv ccsch
<wpwrak> "Coated Flip-Chip on glas" argh ;-)
<nicksydney> no idea whatever that do to the chip :)
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<nicksydney> very nice for debugging http://www.chipquik.com/store/probes.htm
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<wpwrak> nicksydney: (flip-chip) means it's damnably small ;-)
<wpwrak> nicksydney: cut ... but the prices are evil
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<wpwrak> #s/cut/cute/ # that was typed at resting caffeine levels ...
<nicksydney> yeah the price is evil !
<nicksydney> but nevertheless the idea is really interesting..wish someone will make it more cheaper say like $10 / piece
<wpwrak> i guess there ought to be something on aliexpress ... ;-)
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<nicksydney> wpwrak: nah nothing there has looked around :)
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<DocScrutinizer05> nicksydney: no
<DocScrutinizer05> it probably is even useless to probe ambient temperature
<nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: was thinking if we strip off all the unneeded features of Neo900 it can be used something like the cloudphone project...probably add some other stuff like heart-rate sensors, temp sensor :)
<nicksydney> oh well it was just a thought :)
<DocScrutinizer05> I don't like clouds
<wpwrak> let's not forget penis size. this information is essential for targeted marketing :)
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<nicksydney> wpwrak: found a site with lots of kicad library and footprint http://smisioto.no-ip.org/elettronica/kicad/kicad-en.htm
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<wpwrak> ah, nice, with 3D drawings. i never have the patience for these.
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<wpwrak> nicksydney: that STM balun is growing on me. it seems to have very nice characteristics ...
<wpwrak> digi-key are getting sloppy, though: Description: "BALUN IPD 500OHM FLIPCHIP". Yeah, as if ;-)
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<rjeffries> nicksydney a more recent page at Seed: https://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/204-eink-display-shield-p-1374.html (price decrease of 50 pct)
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<paul_boddie> rjeffries: Product discontinued. You want http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/small-epaper-shield-p-1597.html?cPath=34_82 which looks like a remake of the Adafruit board.
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<wpwrak> ;-))
<wpwrak> i hope the screens are powered by some diesel generators :)
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* DocScrutinizer05 reads >>...supports more than 170 langusges<< and thinks http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karibik-Languste
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<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/pads.fpd: add -NOSILK variants; add silk measurements for rectangular pads (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/76039af
<wpwrak> made the ground on the RF side a bit nicer, moved the TPs around some more, and added a TP on VBUS, for production testing