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<swiftgeek> is there a way to load overlay from linux?
<swiftgeek> i have found CONFIG_OF_CONFIGFS related patchset but it don't see it in mainline
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<wens> icenowy[m]: do you have an rtc battery connected on your pine h64?
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<wens> icenowy[m]: looks like the external rtc is only powered by the battery
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<wens> interesting, pulse audio maintainer is on Patreon
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<wens> icenowy[m]: blah, found the culprit.
<wens> somehow my commit was referencing &ccu instead of &r_ccu for the reset
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<paulk-gagarine> swiftgeek, overlays are expected to be loaded by u-boot AFAIK
<swiftgeek> paulk-gagarine: but many have presented such capability on runtime and for some things it would be pretty useful
<paulk-gagarine> mhh I wonder how this is cleanly implemented
<paulk-gagarine> but I guess it can make sense for modules
<wens> swiftgeek: IIRC overlay support in kernel is still WiP
<swiftgeek> wens: last patch i have seen is from 2014
<swiftgeek> v8
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<BenG83> S3 got finally announced
<BenG83> well not officially it seems
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<tkaiser> BenG83: That's the company who did the board: http://www.sochip.com.cn/en/product.php
<tkaiser> And this is either photoshopped or interesting: http://kaiser-edv.de/tmp/NHy3Lx/Bildschirmfoto%202018-03-30%20um%2012.28.03.png
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<BenG83> it's a joint venture I think between AW and Sochip
<BenG83> I guess it started as a custom design for them
<BenG83> Sochip seems to be one of the AW focused design houses like ChipHD etc
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<adj_> tkaiser, BenG83: is that really a different chip than V3s? or just a custom package of V3s but with 128MB of RAM?
<BenG83> more like an upgrade of V3s
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<adj_> icenowy said last summer (NH) that it was a repackage...
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<adj_> it seems strange to make a new IC with so little improvements, and DRAM is on a separate die, so it doesn't count
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<BenG83> we'll see once we have a datasheet :)
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<icenowy[m]> I have S3 datasheet
<icenowy[m]> but not uploadablr
<icenowy[m]> uploadable
<hanetzer> icenowy[m]: NDA or sommat?
<adj_> or maybe IP (I Promise)
<icenowy[m]> has watermark
<adj_> :D I thought that watermark was the standard for allwinner
<TheSeven> tkaiser: interesting mod wire there
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<swiftgeek> how do i jump into fel?
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<swiftgeek> on H3
<BenG83> swiftgeek, either by pulling low the FEL pin or by not having a valid boot device
<swiftgeek> yeah but wanted to jump specifically P
<BenG83> I think you can also enter it from u-boot iirc
<swiftgeek> BenG83: if there is a separate command for that it would work too
<icenowy[m]> adj_: non-standard watermarl
<swiftgeek> i have tried jumping into 0xffff0020 and it failed
<icenowy[m]> watermark *
<icenowy[m]> for S3 it's surely another package of V3
<icenowy[m]> with 128MiB DDR3
<icenowy[m]> and the MIPI CSI is 4 lane (same as V3, V3s only 2)
<swiftgeek> icenowy[m]: any nice unique string on it ? so we could use various search engines to find it? D
<icenowy[m]> and has I2S (V3 does have but V3s doesn't
<adj_> icenowy[m], thanks for the info, so V3s had 3 lanes MIPI CSI and I2S disabled or not wired?
<adj_> you also wrote that it had 8bit sd?
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<icenowy[m]> yes
<icenowy[m]> it's just V3 with co-packaged DDR3
<adj_> I was thinking about making an V3s board just to not wire DDR. S3 could be better, but BGA package is not the easiest to solder at home
<adj_> :)
<BenG83> if you get a simple stencil and have a pre-heater plate it's doable
<icenowy[m]> V3s is said to be going to discontinue
<BenG83> I replaced some BGAs on the kitchen table :)
<BenG83> you can also use a regulated hot-air gun as pre-heater
<swiftgeek> and patience
<adj_> I have seen doing it with just a hot-air gun, but I have not done it myself
<BenG83> I bought this cheap pre-heater for PCB rework
<swiftgeek> not cheap enough ;D
<adj_> I don't even own a hot-air gun, I go to a friends house to use one
<BenG83> pre-heater really helps if you have multi-layer PCBs that transfer a lot of heat away from where you try to solder
<swiftgeek> yep
<BenG83> get a cheap IR thermometer with it
<adj_> also, routing BGA is more difficult and it usually needs more layers to get out all the singals
<swiftgeek> station from here looks interesting
<swiftgeek> not much the end result
<swiftgeek> but parts used
<adj_> V3s can be router with just two layers
<adj_> routed
<swiftgeek> top/bottom heater
<BenG83> adj_, but you need some layers to do that high speed stuff properly anyways
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<adj_> DDR is the most difficult part, and you avoid it with DDR on package
<swiftgeek> yep DDR is definitely the most difficult part
<swiftgeek> but when it comes to routing people are clever on 2 layer ones
<adj_> Fast Ethernet and USB2 are quite easy, for comparison
<swiftgeek> well you still need to add phyu
<swiftgeek> *phy
<adj_> yes
<swiftgeek> and usb is often placed in strategic place on package
<swiftgeek> so it's easy
<swiftgeek> (corner)
<swiftgeek> anyway somebody made 2 layer A33 tablet and it's quite pretty on artwork
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<adj_> olimex has an i.mx233 board with DDR in two layers
<adj_> but they kind of cheat
<swiftgeek> adj_: but i will bet it depends on PCB used
<swiftgeek> A LOT
<adj_> olimex puts the DDR chip under the SOC on the other side of the PCB, and they break the freescale recommendations
<icenowy[m]> how cheat?
<swiftgeek> lol
<adj_> they break designs rules by freescale/nxp (if I remember correctly) but the lines are so short that impedance matching doesn't matter
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<icenowy[m]> I think this is also a common practice for put DRAM there?
<icenowy[m]> BCM2836/7 boards also have the DRAM at the back side
<adj_> I have seen it in some lab equipment, with DDR on the other side of the FPGA
<swiftgeek> i have found return_to_fel
<swiftgeek> but i don't see a command that would use it
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<swiftgeek> oh how strange
<swiftgeek> i just tested it with usb unplugged
<swiftgeek> it workds
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<swiftgeek> lol now it works every time
<BenG83> magic
<swiftgeek> had to be some weird glitch
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<swiftgeek> sucks that encoding failed :(
<BenG83> yeah now that some CSI drivers are being worked on
<swiftgeek> perhaps separate campaign to finish it off?
<BenG83> encoding would be nice
<BenG83> I would probably make a campaing for CSI and encoding
<BenG83> maybe including ISP
<swiftgeek> ISP?
<BenG83> CSI/ISP + encoding
<BenG83> ISP is the image processing block for the camera
<BenG83> it can do scaling/resizing/white balance etc
<BenG83> some sensors have a ISP integrated
<BenG83> but some AW SoC have one extra block
<swiftgeek> is ISP operating only on CSI?
<BenG83> you can probably use it for other things as well
<swiftgeek> nice
<BenG83> look at the V3s datasheet for example
<BenG83> ah status matrix has ISP row too
<BenG83> under Camera
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<BenG83> lens correction is an interesting feature
<BenG83> the documentation is missing for ISP but there is code in the BSP
<BenG83> it can also do bayer pattern interpolation in hardware
<BenG83> ISP more or less contains everything you need to build a camera around V3s
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<wens> wow, an article on Zhihu about Allwinner says a lot
<BenG83> wens?
<wens> if you read chinese # https://www.zhihu.com/question/22613379
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<BenG83> google translate does :P
<BenG83> my Chinese is HSK1 level from a course I did at university
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<wens> oh wow, no version control internally, no wonder we get tarballs
<BenG83> there seems to be git metadata though in some BSP drops
<BenG83> at least I found some references to internal git servers :P
<wens> the bottom half does mention they are improving
<KotCzarny> improving might not be good thing if it's about marketing or grabbing moneys
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<swiftgeek> lol
<swiftgeek> so could they possibly lost the source and thus not comply with gpl xD
<KotCzarny> :)
<BenG83> lol\
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<wens> swiftgeek: that's always a (unfortunate) possbility
<KotCzarny> how do you lose the source when plenty of people are involved
<wens> KotCzarny: you don't, but you don't know which one is the working version either? :p
<swiftgeek> KotCzarny: it's hard to send notice to client, please send sources back?
<KotCzarny> did they nuke all personal computers?
<swiftgeek> xD
<KotCzarny> well, you take the date and drop the uncommitted data, bam, instant backup?
<KotCzarny> ;)
<BenG83> "When people left, many technical faults immediately appeared."
<wens> says allwinner IPO-ed in 2015, and after stock options / RSUs lock-up periods a bunch of senior engineers cashed in and left
<BenG83> maybe the guy/girl working on PCIe left :P
<wens> sounds highly possible
<KotCzarny> so they milked the company until all good people left and now we will see only bunch of trash?
<swiftgeek> i still can't find sources for ATM7051 and stuff like this seems to be common
<swiftgeek> random from 3
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<wens> KotCzarny: if you were a millionaire after facebook IPO, I'm sure you would've considered taking some time off or even retiring? :)
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<KotCzarny> Especially the software and BU side, there is no bottom line for academic qualifications
<KotCzarny> lol
<adj_> wens, thanks for the link, very informative
<KotCzarny> that might explain bsp code quality
<KotCzarny> ;)
<BenG83> makes you wonder if errata sheets for silicon even exist internally
<adj_> I already thought that allwinner has been way behind since the rk3288
<adj_> I use several A10/A10s/A20 devices, without intention to upgrade to newer allwinner SOC's
<KotCzarny> h3 ones are pretty nice too
<BenG83> for a lot of embedded applications that is totally fine I guess adj_
<BenG83> I saw a lot of new modules at Embedded World last year with A20
<BenG83> for industrial applications
<adj_> I agree that it's a good option for a lot of devices, the bad part is that it's the best option from allwinner for way too many devices
<KotCzarny> is a20 still produced?
<BenG83> it looks like it
<adj_> I think so
<BenG83> I guess otherwise all those new modules wouldn't appear
<BenG83> not sure about A10
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<KotCzarny> maybe they desolder them
<KotCzarny> :)
<BenG83> or someone bought way to many ;P
<KotCzarny> from old tablets
<BenG83> *too
<adj_> Olimex told that allwinner made a new batch of A10 just for them, even after it was discontinued
<BenG83> I guess as long as they have something running in the same process at their fab of choice, it's not too hard to queue up a batch
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<adj_> and that could do another anytime if they ask enough quantity, so you can buy A10 at least from Olimex in single quantity
<BenG83> once they stop 40nm you probably can't do that anymore
<wens> to be fair, here's one for rockchip # https://www.zhihu.com/question/39111468
<wens> BenG83: there's always use for old processes
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<wens> plus depreciation schedules for fabs aren't that short
<adj_> BenG83, with the increase in costs for the newer processes I expect 40nm and 28nm to have a lot of customers for a long time
<BenG83> what does "chat can not send maps" really mean?
<wens> BenG83: chat can't send pics
<wens> map loosely translates to "pictures / diagrams of ground"
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<BenG83> "The status of the industry and the company's benchmarking companies include: Rockchip, Amlogic, and Beijing Junzheng."
<BenG83> who is the last one?
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<wens> Ingenic
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<willmore> tkaiser, were you refering to the labeling on the S3 chip? If it's PoP and not done by Allwinner, then whomever did the assembly can put whatever label on the package you want.
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<adj_> willmore, chip makers sometimes make custom marking for customers
<adj_> I suppose that makes the impression that is your own part, and also serves to make more difficult to reverse engineering and making a clone
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<willmore> adj_, true that you can often get them to 'house mark' a part for you. But, in the case of PoP, the chips normally come un-Poped from the maker and it's up to the customer to PoP them with their choice of stuff.
<willmore> Take a look at some of the Rpi boards that used PoP memory--they didn't pay to have a custom label on the DRAM, so it just shows the normal DRAM part number on the SoC. Confused the poor fanboys who were looking for the SoC part #
<KotCzarny> :>
<wens> lol
<willmore> "Why did the Foundation pick a processor from Nanya?"
<willmore> *confused shouting*
<KotCzarny> fake!
<KotCzarny> ;)
<BenG83> lol
<wens> the revelation that Nanya had been making processors
<willmore> LOL
<willmore> Yeah.
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<ejmefa> .-. .-.
<ejmefa> .-. .-.
<ejmefa> .-. .-.
<ejmefa> .-. .-.
<ejmefa> / \ / \
<ejmefa> / \ / \
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<ejmefa> / \ / \
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<ejmefa> | _ \ / _ |
<ejmefa> | _ \ / _ |
<ejmefa> ; | \ \ / / | ;
<ejmefa> ; | \ \ / / | ;
<ejmefa> ; | \ \ / / | ;
<ejmefa> ; | \ \ / / | ;
<BenG83> wtf
<ejmefa> \ \ \ \_.._/ / / /
<ejmefa> \ \ \ \_.._/ / / /
<ejmefa> \ \ \ \_.._/ / / /
<ejmefa> \ \ \ \_.._/ / / /
<ejmefa> '. '.;' ';,' .'
<ejmefa> '. '.;' ';,' .'
<ejmefa> '. '.;' ';,' .'
<ejmefa> '. '.;' ';,' .'
<ejmefa> './ _ _ \.'
<ejmefa> './ _ _ \.'
<ejmefa> './ _ _ \.'
<ejmefa> './ _ _ \.'
<ejmefa> .' a __ a '.
<ejmefa> .' a __ a '.
<ejmefa> .' a __ a '.
<ejmefa> .' a __ a '.
<ejmefa> '--./ _, \/ ,_ \.--'
<ejmefa> '--./ _, \/ ,_ \.--'
<ejmefa> '--./ _, \/ ,_ \.--'
<ejmefa> '--./ _, \/ ,_ \.--'
<ejmefa> ----| \ /\ / |----
<ejmefa> ----| \ /\ / |----
<ejmefa> ----| \ /\ / |----
<ejmefa> ----| \ /\ / |----
<ejmefa> .--'\ '-' '-' /'--.
<ejmefa> .--'\ '-' '-' /'--.
<ejmefa> .--'\ '-' '-' /'--.
<ejmefa> .--'\ '-' '-' /'--.
<ejmefa> _>.__ -- _.- `;
<ejmefa> _>.__ -- _.- `;
<ejmefa> _>.__ -- _.- `;
<ejmefa> _>.__ -- _.- `;
<ejmefa> .' _ __/ _/
<ejmefa> .' _ __/ _/
<ejmefa> .' _ __/ _/
<ejmefa> .' _ __/ _/
<ejmefa> / '.,:".-\ /:,
<ejmefa> / '.,:".-\ /:,
<ejmefa> / '.,:".-\ /:,
<ejmefa> / '.,:".-\ /:,
<ejmefa> | \.' `""`'.\\
<ejmefa> | \.' `""`'.\\
<ejmefa> | \.' `""`'.\\
<ejmefa> | \.' `""`'.\\
<ejmefa> '-,.__/ _ .-. ;|_
<ejmefa> '-,.__/ _ .-. ;|_
<ejmefa> '-,.__/ _ .-. ;|_
<ejmefa> '-,.__/ _ .-. ;|_
<ejmefa> /` `|| _/ `\/_ \_|| `\
<ejmefa> /` `|| _/ `\/_ \_|| `\
<ejmefa> /` `|| _/ `\/_ \_|| `\
<ejmefa> /` `|| _/ `\/_ \_|| `\
<ejmefa> | ||/ \-./` \ / || |
<ejmefa> | ||/ \-./` \ / || |
<ejmefa> | ||/ \-./` \ / || |
<ejmefa> | ||/ \-./` \ / || |
<ejmefa> \ ||__/__|___|__|| /
<ejmefa> \ ||__/__|___|__|| /
<ejmefa> \ ||__/__|___|__|| /
<ejmefa> \ ||__/__|___|__|| /
<ejmefa> \_ |_Happy Easter_| /
<ejmefa> \_ |_Happy Easter_| /
<ejmefa> \_ |_Happy Easter_| /
<ejmefa> \_ |_Happy Easter_| /
<ejmefa> jgs .' \ = _= _ = _= /`\
<ejmefa> jgs .' \ = _= _ = _= /`\
<ejmefa> jgs .' \ = _= _ = _= /`\
<ejmefa> jgs .' \ = _= _ = _= /`\
<ejmefa> / `-;----=--;--' \
<ejmefa> / `-;----=--;--' \
<ejmefa> / `-;----=--;--' \
<ejmefa> / `-;----=--;--' \
<ejmefa> \ _.-' '. /
<ejmefa> \ _.-' '. /
<ejmefa> \ _.-' '. /
<ejmefa> \ _.-' '. /
<ejmefa> `""` `""`
<ejmefa> `""` `""`
<ejmefa> `""` `""`
<ejmefa> `""` `""`
<ejmefa> L0DE AND CHRON FROM #LRH & L0DE RADIO HOUR (IRC.EFNET.ORG) WANTED TO SAY HAPPY EASTER!!
<ejmefa> L0DE AND CHRON FROM #LRH & L0DE RADIO HOUR (IRC.EFNET.ORG) WANTED TO SAY HAPPY EASTER!!
<ejmefa> L0DE AND CHRON FROM #LRH & L0DE RADIO HOUR (IRC.EFNET.ORG) WANTED TO SAY HAPPY EASTER!!
<ejmefa> L0DE AND CHRON FROM #LRH & L0DE RADIO HOUR (IRC.EFNET.ORG) WANTED TO SAY HAPPY EASTER!!
<ejmefa> yann Mr__Anderson netlynx return0e_ RichardG867 embed-3d f0xx libv ak_hepcat reinforce rej tllim JohnDoe4 nuuuciano swiftgeek dave0x6d ernestask specing afaerber gnufan1 BenG83 SP7RT xes nobe victhor TheSeven kaspter megi clemens3 leviathan indy lurchi_ montjoie stellirin kuhn icenowy[m] GuLinux[m] ch40s[m] mic-e[m] yann_soubeyrand Net147 oliv3r souther mripard ssvb arete74 kelvan merlin1991 grw Ke kilobyte medvid black_ink qeed buZz hanetzer aib _0x5
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<swiftgeek> oh my gawd
<swiftgeek> it doesn't even look right in monospace
<swiftgeek> .....
<KotCzarny> :)
<KotCzarny> nothing little /ignore cant fix
<pmpp> kick first ignore later
<yann> wtf...
<KotCzarny> no op here
<swiftgeek> can i ignore retroactively
<BenG83> looks like quad phase-shift easter bunny roadkill
<pmpp> swiftgeek: yeah with the banmask :)
<KotCzarny> swiftgeek: yeah, with proper mask or script
<swiftgeek> BenG83: winner :D
<KotCzarny> anyway, anyone with ops can invite sigyn here
<KotCzarny> and bastard will get k-line
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<DonkeyHotei> [Fri 2018-03-30 12:29:05 PM PDT] <swiftgeek> it doesn't even look right in monospace <------- they took existing ascii art and duplicated each line
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<selim> hi
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<selim> I can not do secure boot process, do you know how to do it?
<selim> for orange pi plus 2e - armbian mainline kernel version
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