<KotCzarny>
Although these boards offer a low priced SBC product, the experience of these boards is never guaranteed due to their kernel development being behind the other SBC devices
<KotCzarny>
what a bunch of.. FUD
<BenG83>
is anyone using DietPi anyways?
<KotCzarny>
seriously.. that guy is either paid for, or blindingly dumb
<KotCzarny>
BenG83: i suspect quite a lot of folks, usually rpi crowd
<KotCzarny>
read that announcement
<KotCzarny>
Why are you still supporting some NanoPi devices?
<KotCzarny>
The build quality of these devices is exceptional, on par with RPi's offerings. FriendlyARM offer stable baseline images and maintain their own kernel fork for most of their device lineup. For those devices, we will continue to offer an image and support.
<KotCzarny>
yay for FA stable baseline images and kernel fork
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<KotCzarny>
and for rpi 'build quality'
<DonkeyHotei>
smh
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<ElBarto>
mripard: wens: any news on the a83t-sid patch from kevans91 ?
<ElBarto>
I think it was acked and planned for 4.17 (maybe before ...)
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<BenG83>
does anyone know a source for LicheePi Zero (V3s) other than taobao?
<BenG83>
also are there any branches I could look at for MIPI-CSI?
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<chrisf_>
KotCzarny: Is the FriendlyARM stuff known to be questionnable build quality? I've bought five NanoPi Neo 2s and two of them have issues.
<chrisf_>
One's got a UART connection problem, the other SPI. I assumed it was build rather than the Allwinner fab.
<BenG83>
I don't think they are better or worse than other boards like OPi/BPi/Pine...
<KotCzarny>
chrisf_: i own only bananas(a20) and oranges(h3,h5,a64)
<hanni76>
I got nanopi a64, very high quality board
<KotCzarny>
but i think that any board lacking cpu voltage regulation or good cooling, is bad
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<chrisf_>
KotCzarny: Hadn't looked at the schematic yet - no cpu voltage regulation? Definitely have to look at that. As others have said the optional heatsink looks appropriate at first blush. My concern was more that 40% didn't work properly. I do hope that's not common to all Allwinner based boards.
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<KotCzarny>
definitely not
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<KotCzarny>
all my devices work
<tkaiser>
chrisf_: The NEO2 being one of the first H5 devices got no voltage regulation since Allwinner's H5 BSP did contain only broken code wrt DVFS. So you're limited to 816 Mhz or maybe 912 MHz if you're adventurous
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<KotCzarny>
tkaiser: in a way, it might be a boon
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<tkaiser>
Allwinner told board/device makers that it's over with DVFS / voltage regulation on the H series, current BSP doesn't contain any code any more and that's why we see even more SBC with H SoCs missing voltage regulation (Libre Computer Tritium)
<KotCzarny>
because now they (vendors) have to provide good cooling
<KotCzarny>
but it also makes them hotter than required
<tkaiser>
Yeah, you're obsesses by a 'heat problem' ;)
<KotCzarny>
i am. no denying
<KotCzarny>
but when i ran android7 (kernel 4.4) on opipc and it reached 80-90C in idle
<KotCzarny>
then it's just not right ;)
<chrisf_>
tkaiser: Is there a base problem with the H5 in this respect or is it the kernel code?
<KotCzarny>
it had heatsink on
<chrisf_>
I'm building a bare metal system that will control cooling/scale load dependant on measured core temperature.
<tkaiser>
chrisf_: No hardware problem except 40nm process. And with NEO2 you can't switch voltages and are limited to lower cpufreq
<chrisf_>
tkaiser: I'll use the H5 on a custom board TBD. What's the 40nm process issue?
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: This 'DietPi' blabla is just the result of an argument between Igor and Daniel (that's the 'DietPi team') somewhere in a Twitter filter bubble
<tkaiser>
chrisf_: 40nm: More heat/consumption at same clockspeed compared to e.g. 28nm.
<chrisf_>
Oh, so you mean the H5 is problematic because it's on 40nm. OK.
<KotCzarny>
tkaiser: but it's still FUD and lies
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: And now they threw all their images away which were based on Armbian before and that needed some new DietPi marketing BS to justify the decision.
<KotCzarny>
tkaiser: they have marketing? o.O
<tkaiser>
Well, their presentation to the outside is pretty good. Daniel takes selling his 'product' seriously. All this 'diet' and 'lightweight' babbling... Anyway, not important
<KotCzarny>
what is important is that they lie about reasons they've stopped the support and about aw (and linux-sunxi work indirectly)
<tkaiser>
Sure, this guy has not the slightest idea what's happening in linux-sunxi land. But ignorance is his strongest skill anyway...
<tkaiser>
He doesn't get that FriendlyELEC also just relies on linux-sunxi work. And their 'technical' problem with Armbian based images was that they switched to mainline kernel a while ago on all Allwinner boards ignoring that all of this was WiP. As expected they ran into countless issues...
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<KotCzarny>
that is even funnier, heh
<tkaiser>
It seems they switched back in between to 3.4 and thereby generated all sorts of unneeded trouble all the time blaming 'Armbian' (they need to fix the kernel, we can't do anything!!). Now they only use images they found somewhere else on the Internet to cripple them down to DietPi :)
<KotCzarny>
which is their problem. but they cripple more than that, creating idea that mainline is bad
<tkaiser>
So step up and spread the news! ;)
<KotCzarny>
that's what i do! people of #linux-sunxi now know another piece of truth
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<hanetzer>
hey. were I to hand you guys a product brief on another arm soc, could you point me at a sunxi soc with a similar featureset/power level?
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<tkaiser>
hanetzer: 'Don't ask to ask. Just ask and wait'
<tkaiser>
hanetzer: You're keen on h.264 encoding done in hardware?
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<hanetzer>
tkaiser: general multimedia; I've been interacting with cctv systems based on the above SoC for a while and they are all terrible activex based pieces of junk
<hanetzer>
so, what with all the work being done on cedrus/ve/etc for sunxi, mayhaps designing something of the like that isn't terrible could be fun, and be a good business opportunity
<hanetzer>
as a single person working on these chips (for mainline purposes) I highly doubt I'll get anything usable for the video stuff (binary kernel modules) in a timely fashion
<hanetzer>
tkaiser: aware, but I'm also a broke ass hacka :P
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<hanetzer>
had I more of a disposable income I would glady throw money at the cause (would have done the same for those TALOS workstations as well)
<tkaiser>
Well, but at least I've no idea about anything video/graphics related at all. So maybe others jump in and comment
<BenG83>
hanetzer, you want to build a network camera?
<hanetzer>
BenG83: network camera and/or cctv controll box
<hanetzer>
like, it would be cool if the cameras could operate on their own as well, but I'm thinking in terms of "here's a kit"
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<hanetzer>
I've got a lot of high-level ideas on how it can/should be handled, researching the details atm :)
<BenG83>
I guess the biggest problem is that there are no linux-sunxi encoding and CSI drivers
<BenG83>
V3s is wip
<hanetzer>
it seems that v3 is pretty useful for the cameras, if one wants them to be relatively 'smart'
<hanetzer>
I may get a devboard for one of those and tinker. at least I won't be the only dev workin on it
<hanetzer>
just strikes me as being petty with regards to the post by fourdee to drop armbian-based images from dietpi based on interpersonal communications. I personally don't have a stake in the fight, so this is just an outsider's opinion
<tkaiser>
It's irrelevant anyway. The new 'info' for me is just that the DietPi guy obviously confused IgorPec with me when he talked about 'TK's provoked actions on twitter' -- I'm not on Twitter since I try to avoid filter bubbles.
<hanetzer>
filter bubbles? I'm also not on twitter (in reality; I have an account but I don't use it), but I've never heard that term
<IgorPec>
was it too harsh? I only wanted to emphasise that they have to deal with their own problems/users
<hanetzer>
nah I get it. its like, if you're using manjaro, don't bother #archlinux
<hanetzer>
assuming I am remembering correctly and manjaro is the archlinux easymode distro
<IgorPec>
if you are dealing only or mostly with arm dev boards, this comparisson looks very different.
<hanetzer>
IgorPec: because of the unique needs of arm based devices as compared to generic x86 stuff, yeah?
<IgorPec>
unique needs and a things to be build up. initial kernels are rubish, we are not near to x86 world, while general publich expect that
<hanetzer>
and the vendors aren't always terribly helpful on that, in a lot of ways.
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<hanetzer>
like, is allwinner itself actually working with upstream, or is it all you guys?
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<IgorPec>
some devs from this group has connections directly to Allwinner - to at least get some documentations faster/at all. Is it better(more) than this, I don't know.
<tkaiser>
hanetzer: Currently it's all community but it _might_ change (slowly) in the future. Some good efforts have been made to bridge linux-sunxi community and at least one business unit at Allwinner. But whether they will ever start to support their own products upstream like other ARM vendors... who knows?
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<hanetzer>
IgorPec: ah. But yeah, I was more asking if the company themselves were making any internal effort towards mainstream integration.
<BenG83>
taobao only ships to China, right?
<hanetzer>
BenG83: nah, I've bought stuff from it before
<IgorPec>
hanetzer: not that I am aware off
<hanetzer>
tkaiser: hopefully it does. vendors gotta realize that to be a firstclass citizen in the linux world that upstream cooperation is a must
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<BenG83>
I think once their customers are not only cheap media devices but more industrial use cases with longer product cycles it might change
<hanetzer>
BenG83: true. if I actually get this thing off the ground, mayhaps that could help :P
<BenG83>
like if they want to sell SoC into the automotive industry
<BenG83>
where stuff has to work for 10-20 years
<hanetzer>
aye
<hanetzer>
BenG83: note, I live in USA/TX, regarding the taobao thing
<BenG83>
I order a lot from Aliexpress, but never used taobao so far
<BenG83>
and the drop down for destination only had CN provinces
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<TEKrantz>
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<hanetzer>
BenG83: it depends on the individual seller as well, I think
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<BenG83>
speaking of V3s, just booted my second LicheePI Zero ;)