<balrog>
gruetzkopf: were you around when azonenberg_work was discussing his problems with 10GbaseT?
<gruetzkopf>
don't think so, also never used 10GBaseT
<gruetzkopf>
all optical for me
<balrog>
gruetzkopf: hah, okay
<balrog>
btw does anyone here know about MacGDS?
<balrog>
apparently it was a GDS II tool from the late 80s / early 90s written entirely in forth
<gruetzkopf>
(i tend to use preowned well-used junk, and 10GE optical is much more common there)
<azonenberg_work>
gruetzkopf: basically 10gbase-t is nonexistent for one-off hobbyists
<azonenberg_work>
the chipsets are impossible to source in qty 1 and all need NDAs
<azonenberg_work>
but SFPs are readily available COTS
<gruetzkopf>
and dirt cheap
<azonenberg_work>
Yep
<gruetzkopf>
i mean i have a literal bucket of used SFPs
<gruetzkopf>
mostly 1G/2G or 1G/2G/4G for FC and ethernet
<gruetzkopf>
(most of the 4G SFPs will just work for pcie2.0 if you get your refclk somewhere else, even if slightly out of spec)
<pie_>
TIL electron uncertainties are actually pretty damn big....
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<azonenberg>
yeah i have dozens and dozens of 1g sfps
<azonenberg>
to the point that i wanted to build a switch with 8+ 1g optic ports just to use it
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<Zorix>
those things do go bad too
<Zorix>
we lose them all the time at work
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<azonenberg>
Zorix: yeah well i got about 50 of them for less than a buck a pop on ebay
<azonenberg>
So far, every one i've tried works
<azonenberg>
About 1/3 of them have DOM and the rest are too old to support it
<azonenberg>
the lasers might be a little wimpy now but they work fine on the 30m run i have
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<Zorix>
wow thats awesome
<Zorix>
we mostly use singlemode at work for data
<Zorix>
and multimode for FC for san storage
<Zorix>
you can get ones that have rj45 ethernet too
<Zorix>
for some reason those go bad more often
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<azonenberg>
probably EMI?
<azonenberg>
no idea
<azonenberg>
Zorix: I'm wiring my whole house with multimode
<azonenberg>
I just bought a place that was owned by a heavy smoker and the wiring hasn't been updated since the '70s
<azonenberg>
So i'm gutting it to bare studs and rebuilding it, by the time i'm done it'll pretty much be a new house
<azonenberg>
the garage, mudroom, hallway, and office room on the first floor are all being wired with overhead cable tray
<azonenberg>
then in-wall from there to the remaining destinations
<azonenberg>
Every room is getting four cat5e and four duplex multimode, at minimum
<azonenberg>
the office is getting more than that
<azonenberg>
every workbench in the garage is getting ethernet and fiber too
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<cr1901_modern>
whitequark: Your board is a cool idea. Someone would need to create a driver and config files, but it could also serve as a swiss army chainsaw for openocd
<azonenberg>
cr1901_modern: yeah sounds useful
<azonenberg>
starshipraider is meant to do a lot more protocol offload than that
<azonenberg>
So targeting a totally different use case
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<rqou>
argh i'm debating whether i should fight with latex to do my problem sets or continue to do them by hand
<rqou>
or to use jupyter instead because i need to write code anyways
<rqou>
and latex equations are sane enough, it's just that the rest of latex is unusable
<rqou>
azonenberg: thoughts?
<azonenberg>
i did all of my homework and thesis in latex
<cr1901_modern>
whitequark: By driver I mean, "you need to tell openocd about your new device/protocol", probably interfacing your device to openocd by libusb (like libftdi is used for FTDI).
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<awygle>
Sounds like the busblaster, except better
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<kc8apf>
sorear: sure
<kc8apf>
sorear: I can poke at it and see why the htmlgen isn't deterministic
<rqou>
hmm, nitrated skin has a really weird texture :P
<rqou>
(cc azonenberg :P :P )
<rqou>
protip: don't nitrate your skin :P :P
<gruetzkopf>
been there, done that
<rqou>
wait, really?
<gruetzkopf>
yeah, while nitrating toluene in high school chemistry class
<rqou>
wait, they let you do that?!
<gruetzkopf>
my teacher was a pyro :D
<qu1j0t3>
o_o
<rqou>
even here in the land of FREEDOM!!11oneone they usually disapprove of synthesizing "yellow dyes" in chem class
* qu1j0t3
just read enough toxicology on nitric acid to be quite repulsed
<rqou>
meh, skin contact isn't _that_ scary
<rqou>
don't inhale fumes though
<rqou>
gruetzkopf: are there no concerns about "what about terrorists?!" over in germany?
<rqou>
although apparently your terrorists seem to prefer TATP, and ours prefer ANFO/RDX, and i don't know of any terrorists that have used "yellow dyes"
<gruetzkopf>
buying nitric acid in any useful quantities is really hard over here
<gruetzkopf>
acetone i could get a 50l can of without being asked any questions
<gruetzkopf>
peroxide is harder, but not impossible (buying 1000l is easier than buying 20)
<rqou>
oh yeah, buying nitric acid is tricky here too, but sulfuric acid and KNO3 are both pretty easy
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<rqou>
acetone is easy but some places seem to now have a >18 check
<rqou>
peroxide is really easy in the US
<rqou>
you can order food grade 35% h2o2 off of amazon
<rqou>
not sure what its intended use actually is
<qu1j0t3>
isn't it used in meat processing or something
<rqou>
maybe?
<rqou>
KNO3 definitely is
<rqou>
but the one i buy is "stump remover"
<rqou>
um, i'm just checking up on siliconpr0n, and i find " WARNING: large TMAH exposure can cause sudden death "
<sorear>
wp says it's a neurotoxin. fun.
<rqou>
wait, Dash etch only takes 10 _seconds_?
<sn00n>
:(
<rqou>
i really need to set up my lab for delayering/staining
<sn00n>
proper fume hood & stuff?
<rqou>
meh :P
<rqou>
just a respirator
<sn00n>
ok, window open style? :)
<rqou>
yeah
<rqou>
there's a fan
<sn00n>
\o/
<rqou>
(which is already corroded after only ~3 experiments :P )
<sn00n>
lol
<rqou>
but i only paid $20 for it, and it still works
<rqou>
at least it's not my hotplate
<sn00n>
but a proper isolated place would be great, yes
<sn00n>
far away from the microscopes & stuff :)
<rqou>
yes, it's currently very far
<rqou>
because my microscope is still in my apartment but the chem lab is at my parents' house after i was banned from doing it in the apartment
<rqou>
:P
<sn00n>
hehe
<sn00n>
i'm planning to place a fume hood for such corrosive stuff in an extra room
<sn00n>
near other not so nice stuff
<sn00n>
i'll call it "nasty space"
<rqou>
yeah, my parents bought me an extra shed in the backyard for chem stuff
<sn00n>
neat
<rqou>
because the garage is already occupied by a very fancy and expensive <redacted>
<sn00n>
:>
<sn00n>
yes, don't talk about your secret nuclear program!
<qu1j0t3>
car
<rqou>
well, there is also a car
<qu1j0t3>
motorbike
<rqou>
nope
<sn00n>
tank :>
<rqou>
lol i'm not digshadow
<qu1j0t3>
lathe
<rqou>
not yet
<rqou>
eventually(TM)
<rqou>
ENOMONEY
<rqou>
ENOSPC
<digshadow>
I can't tell whether you are talking tanks or nuclear, program, but in that order: 1) no longer have 2) its a clean energy program I swear
<rqou>
lol
<qu1j0t3>
seriously why can't we guess what is in rqou 's garage
<qu1j0t3>
bitcoin mining rig
<rqou>
lol i'm not an idiot
<qu1j0t3>
phew
<gruetzkopf>
you're not using one megawattsecond per transaction
<qu1j0t3>
telescope
<qu1j0t3>
don't make me trawl your tweets
<rqou>
i don't do astronomy
<sorear>
what is the point of this
<rqou>
apparently people want to guess what fun things i have in the garage
<qu1j0t3>
i'm over it. sorry sorear
<q3k>
azonenberg: I was only (partially) joking about that verilog stub generation from .proto files
<q3k>
azonenberg: i guess whether you want streaming or parallel depend on your usecase. i'm sure whatever you're doing warrants doing it the way you're doing it.
<sorear>
qu1j0t3: I'm not who you've been harrassing
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<cyrozap>
cr1901_modern: As I understand it, whitequark's new device uses the FTDI MPSSE protocol, so it could be used with OpenOCD with just a simple config to set the "FTDI" GPIO settings--no new driver required.