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<lain>
o.O
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<azonenberg>
whitequark: silego support confirms these are not new dies
<azonenberg>
just new package options
<azonenberg>
What's more, their GUI does not have any portability between device families LOL
<azonenberg>
like, if you write a design for one package
<azonenberg>
they cant port it to the other package *of the same die*
<azonenberg>
i mean if you asked their support team they could probably tell you the bondout mapping
<azonenberg>
s.t. you could reconfigure
<azonenberg>
but still...
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<whitequark>
amazing
<azonenberg>
Yep
<azonenberg>
its like they never heard of ECOs lol
<azonenberg>
maybe all of a sudden you need that chip to fit in less space
<azonenberg>
or your design got bigger and you need one more ACMPs
<azonenberg>
sorry, gotta rewrite it from scratch
<azonenberg>
you know, that might be a cool feature for down the road
<azonenberg>
have the target be like "automatic gp4" or "automatic gp5" or something
<azonenberg>
and have it try to techmap for each device until it finds one it will fit in
<azonenberg>
xilinx did that with their CPLDs as a possible target
<azonenberg>
seems like not a bad idea
<rqou>
offtopic: i'm finally reviewing the enormous CA ballot
<rqou>
ready for the chaos tommorrow? :P
<rqou>
alternately, ready for 2016 to be over? :P
<azonenberg>
rqou: Kinda glad i'm working from home tomorrow (well today, technically)
<rqou>
you're in WA, right?
<rqou>
how long is the ballot?
<azonenberg>
If there are any large demonstrations etc they'd probably be right along the route i'd take from work to home :p
<azonenberg>
Two pages, double sided
<rqou>
CA is two and a half
<azonenberg>
a few of the races were easy
<azonenberg>
there was one candidate
<azonenberg>
:p
<azonenberg>
You either vote for the Party or abstain
<rqou>
CA's senate race :P
<rqou>
a democrat vs a democrat
<azonenberg>
the WA treasurer is a republican vs a republican
<azonenberg>
iirc
<azonenberg>
there was another race for some local position with only one candidate
<rqou>
i just realized i probably don't want to be near sather gate tomorrow :P
<rqou>
in case of protests
<rqou>
(UC Berkeley's iconic gate)
<azonenberg>
Yeah i'm staying home
<azonenberg>
No matter who wins, downtown seattle won't be pretty
<azonenberg>
half the people will be celebrating, half will be mad
<azonenberg>
and i dont want to be near any of it :P
<azonenberg>
My neighborhood is more sparsely populated so i expect it to be quiet
<azonenberg>
i just dont want to find myself on a bike trying to weave through bumper to bumper traffic and crowds of shouting people
<rqou>
berkeley campus would probably be worse :P
<rqou>
marijuana legalization is on the CA ballot
<rqou>
soon we can join WA :P
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<azonenberg>
rqou: Come to the dark side, we have... weed?
<cr1901_modern>
I sometimes feel like the only person on this planet who doesn't care for weed
<cr1901_modern>
Of course it should be legal, but... not my thing lol
<azonenberg>
I have zero interest in it either
<azonenberg>
And yeah, if i could trade legality of weed for alcohol i'd do it in a heartbeat
<whitequark>
it doesn't really work on me also. burns my lungs so badly that I can't breathe
<azonenberg>
driving while high doesnt kill thousands of people a year
<azonenberg>
of course last time we tried that it didnt work :P
<whitequark>
the edibles kinda do something but not worth the effort *shrug*
* jhol
lives in Colorado - the highest state in America
<azonenberg>
Lol
<whitequark>
azonenberg: indeed
<whitequark>
outlaw cars instead tbh
<whitequark>
and build affordable, high quality mass transit systems
<azonenberg>
whitequark: wont fix XXXX while intoxicated
<azonenberg>
people will find other dumb ways to off themselves while smashed
<cr1901_modern>
THAT I can get behind.
<cr1901_modern>
I mean the mass transportation thing
<azonenberg>
More mass transit is good
<azonenberg>
i wouldnt go so far as to ban cars
<whitequark>
it was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion
<whitequark>
that said
<whitequark>
imagine if the car was invented today
<azonenberg>
There are some situations, like in the deep woods, where its kinda hard to avoid manually operated vehicles
<whitequark>
it would have never passed safety approval
<cr1901_modern>
NJ has excellent mass transit thanks to it's geographic location. But I wish trains were closer by
<whitequark>
and be restricted to niche uses
<cr1901_modern>
and that I didn't have to take a bus (or drive, more likely) to get to the speedline
<azonenberg>
What would be interesting from a public health perspective is to do what is happening with tobacco already
<whitequark>
strongly agree
<azonenberg>
basically ban or severely restrict advertising
<whitequark>
get rid of the alcohol *culture*
<azonenberg>
Make it uncool, limit the number of businesses that can sell it
<azonenberg>
Keep it legal so you don't start a black market
<whitequark>
there are entire swaths of social activities that essentially imply alcohol
<cr1901_modern>
alcohol brings out the latent asshole
<azonenberg>
But make it so nobody wants it
<whitequark>
fucking over the people who can't or won't engage in drinking it
<azonenberg>
And then, a generation later
<whitequark>
see: the entire tech industry
<azonenberg>
when we have 5% as many people drinking and smoking as we do now
<azonenberg>
THEN you ban it
<whitequark>
nah
<azonenberg>
When there's not enough demand to support a black market
<whitequark>
that's ridiculous
<cr1901_modern>
This is thankfully finally changing in tech. But we follow the right ppl :P
<cr1901_modern>
I mean the attitude
<azonenberg>
alternatively, keep it legal but just cut down its use to the point it's not the problem it was
<whitequark>
first, it should be legal, from a moral perspective, to do whatever it is you want to your own body
<azonenberg>
whitequark: up to and not including the point that this interferes with others
<cr1901_modern>
secondhand smoke is putting smoke into me I didn't want
<azonenberg>
So for example, smoking in the vicinity of a non-consenting third party
<azonenberg>
should be prosecuted as assault
<azonenberg>
if you want to poison yourself alone in your own house nobody is stopping you
<whitequark>
in FR cigs are expensive so people are switching to chewing instead
<whitequark>
(expensive because of vice taxation)
<whitequark>
this has the result of... more cancer
<whitequark>
and nastier kind sof
* whitequark
is not entirely sold on these kinds of public health undertakings
<cr1901_modern>
I'm not going to blame someone who smokes b/c of addiction
<azonenberg>
whitequark: well, chewing at least only affects the user
<whitequark>
when you ban things you usually fuck over a slightly different, and usually poorer, swath of people
<cr1901_modern>
and usually they're not white either
<azonenberg>
In general though, i'd like to see drug policy be set based on the quantifiable harm to the society (not necessarily the user)
<whitequark>
depends on the country
<azonenberg>
ethanol is particularly bad in that regard
<azonenberg>
In part due to its massive use
<azonenberg>
in part due to how addictive it is
<azonenberg>
and in part due to how badly it impairs judgment and increases aggression
<whitequark>
the last part is, interestingly, not true
<azonenberg>
oh?
<azonenberg>
It just makes already aggressive people less inhibited?
<whitequark>
if you look at ethanol use and change in behavior around the world, you'll see that it actually causes you to behave in the way your society stereotypes alcohol use
<whitequark>
so in the west people become more aggressive
<whitequark>
whereas in asia? apparently calmer because that's the stereotype
<whitequark>
i can dig out the study
<azonenberg>
Interesting
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<whitequark>
it's plenty addictive though so yeah
<azonenberg>
I've often come to this conclusion when looking at things like gun violence etc too
<azonenberg>
america's problem isnt that we have weapons
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<azonenberg>
it's that people want to use them on each other
<whitequark>
this is my understanding of it either
<azonenberg>
i think the culture/people itself is inherently more violent than many other countries
<whitequark>
i don't have a problem living in a country with guns, i have a problem living in a country with crippling inequality
<cr1901_modern>
whitequark: Do you have a source for this? I'd like to learn more.
<azonenberg>
i cant say why
<cr1901_modern>
azonenberg: nationalism.
<whitequark>
nationalism is universal
<azonenberg>
cr1901_modern: that would only seem a motivation for violence toward, say, immigrants or minorities
<azonenberg>
not, say, gang on gang
<azonenberg>
both parties in a gang shooting may be black immigrants :p
<cr1901_modern>
And it's exceptionally strong in the US. US also seems to have a strong case of just-world fallacy
<azonenberg>
cr1901_modern: While that may be *a* problem
<cr1901_modern>
which stokes tensions
<azonenberg>
i dont think its the source of this issue
<whitequark>
not really especially strong in historical context
<whitequark>
see: the entire history of european imperialism
<nats`>
hot (half on topic): if I use reg [7:0]tmp[0:X][0:Y]
<whitequark>
fun alcohol fact: if used enough, it actually causes your cells to change the composition of the lipid bilayer
<azonenberg>
whitequark: anyway due to the sum of a lot of these issues
<whitequark>
since it changes the fluidity of it
<nats`>
can I tell synthetizer I want one different bram for each line
<azonenberg>
i'm not looking forward to tonight
<cr1901_modern>
Alright then. Point blank, I think it's fair to say that America in general... isn't filled with nice people.
<azonenberg>
and quite glad i'm working from home :p
<azonenberg>
nats`: no, i dont think so
<azonenberg>
i'd use a generate loop and explicit mux
<azonenberg>
and constrain each iteration separately
<whitequark>
azonenberg: indeed, I shudder thinking about the riots, and I'm halfway round the world
<nats`>
raahhhh shit
<nats`>
that's boring for parametric module
<whitequark>
and thinking whether it will result in civil war too
<whitequark>
not *very* likely but
<cr1901_modern>
I don't really care for CTZN5's trolling in that respect
<nats`>
azonenberg, how would you address it ?
<whitequark>
I have no idea what are you talking about, cr1901
<cr1901_modern>
if that's who you're referring to with the civil war talk
<whitequark>
this kinda thing is how civil wars start
<whitequark>
the question is whether the US is at that point yet
<azonenberg>
whitequark: guy on twitter... trump supporter, extreme libertarian
<azonenberg>
has interesting tech/privacy talk so i follow
<azonenberg>
but i try to keep political views off mine
<nats`>
I should switch to systemverilog
<azonenberg>
if i comment on a political thread at all it's based on citable facts without presenting support for either side of the issue
<azonenberg>
whitequark: and it doesnt help that i live in the furthest left town in an otherwise very right-leaning county
<cr1901_modern>
A lot of people in America are just selfish assholes who don't care about other people. They are completely and willfully ignorant to the reality that nobody's an island. And I don't think this is a overgeneralization.
<azonenberg>
Across the river is liberal seattle full of homeless people and rich techie millennials
<azonenberg>
across the water*
<azonenberg>
On the mainland on the other shore is a very poor indian reservation
<cr1901_modern>
The fact that rural america isn't doing that well is not license to be horrible human beings.
<azonenberg>
past that is a navy base and generally right-leaning rural area
<jhol>
cr1901_modern: dude - calm down
<azonenberg>
and me? I'm on an island with only two routes on or off - a bridge and ferry
<whitequark>
azonenberg: haha yes I see how that will make you nervous
<azonenberg>
an island that is full of rich white people and tends to lean pretty far left
<azonenberg>
So if anyone decides to riot we're the natural place to go loot :p
<cr1901_modern>
jhol: I am calm :P.
<azonenberg>
No matter who wins, if people are celebrating or angry
<azonenberg>
there are places it wont be pretty
<cr1901_modern>
azonenberg: Aren't you armed?
<whitequark>
twitter is sending the marketing email about livestreaming of the US election to people with russian accounts
<whitequark>
(not me)
<whitequark>
truly, to some people the world consists of the US
<azonenberg>
cr1901_modern: Civil unrest is not something you can shoot (or threaten to) and be done with it
<whitequark>
^
<azonenberg>
a bullet vs a molotov? you're still on fire
<azonenberg>
doesnt matter if the guy who chucked it is dead before it hits you
<azonenberg>
Yes, I like to target shoot, but i'm realistic about the kinds of threats i can handle
<whitequark>
to paraphrase, "civil unrest is full of dangerous shit; survive it by not being there"
<azonenberg>
Scaring off one burglar who doesn't want any trouble? Probably doable
<jhol>
it's more the Anti-FA type people, and the liberal loonies who I'm worried about. They've been told that Trump is literally the next Hiter, which gives them moral permission to do all kinds of aweful things - because it's all justufued if you're fighting hitler
<azonenberg>
fighting off an angry mob? big nope
<azonenberg>
jhol: and what about the guys on the other side who think the election is rigged and will panic if he loses?
<jhol>
already many people have been run out of jobs and had their property vadanlised for putting up trump signs
<azonenberg>
Doesnt matter who wins, one side is gonna be partying it up and one will be super mad
<jhol>
azonenberg: like brexit!
<jhol>
those remain tears were delicious
<azonenberg>
jhol: politics in general, not just in the us, seems to have been getting more extreme lately
<azonenberg>
and its not pretty
<jhol>
azonenberg: I do agree
<azonenberg>
whitequark: exactly
<cr1901_modern>
jhol: According to said Anti-FA, the logic I hear is that "We tried reasoning with fascists. It was called appeasement. It didn't work."
<azonenberg>
if i didnt have to work today i'd totally have gone out in the woods for a long backpacking trip
<azonenberg>
and just come back when everything had blown over
<azonenberg>
and be like "so who won?"
<whitequark>
jhol: good. we should have had more destruction of property of putin supporters.
<azonenberg>
Let's try and keep opinions on the candidates/issues civil or off the channel entirely
<cr1901_modern>
It's difficult for me to say "all riots are bad" when they are hypocritically treated differently by authorities and the general public depending on who started them.
<azonenberg>
i'm fine with discussing the overall impacts on civil order that may occur though
<azonenberg>
cr1901_modern: all riots ARE bad if you're anywhere near/in one
<azonenberg>
doesnt matter who wants what
<azonenberg>
or if they have any justification for it
<azonenberg>
the probability of you waking up tomorrow in one piece goes way down
<cr1901_modern>
You've been in that situation I take it :/?
<azonenberg>
Not riots, but i've been in close proximity to decent sized protests and rowdy crowds
<azonenberg>
and i could easily see the situation going far downhill very quickly
<azonenberg>
Leaving the area quickly is typically a good idea in that situation :p
<azonenberg>
Before somebody starts throwing bottles
<azonenberg>
this one was like a block from where i lived at the time
<azonenberg>
again, it doesnt matter who started it, why, or if they were justified in doing so
<azonenberg>
it's bad for everyone in the area
<azonenberg>
there was one across the river about a year before that which got to the point of people flipping over cars
<azonenberg>
i wasnt there personally but saw some footage afterwards
<azonenberg>
and am quite glad it didnt come closer :p
<azonenberg>
So, i dont know who is going to win tonight, or what the supporters or opponents will do
<azonenberg>
I just know the probability of unrest is significantly nonzero
<azonenberg>
in both cases
<azonenberg>
And that is sufficient for anyone in the US to be concerned no matter who they support
<cr1901_modern>
Idk what I would do. You're prob right a gun won't help me much (I don't own any). I would have to be exposed to a riot to really test my beliefs.
<cr1901_modern>
azonenberg: Riots are going to continue to happen, unfortunately. I don't WANT to be part of a riot. I just cannot bring myself to condemn them unconditionally, regardless of who started it/what reason, even if the end result is the same. And tbh, that's all I'm comfortable saying in a public setting.
<whitequark>
I would have absolutely participated in violent unrest if I believed it would truly make the place better
<whitequark>
... unfortunately our current problems are systemic and go far deeper than a few scumbag politicians
<whitequark>
so I prefer to just move myself over to the part of the world that's sinking a bit slower
<whitequark>
only have to be the rat at the highest point of the ship
<azonenberg>
Lol
<whitequark>
i have a kinda cynical view of politics at this point, yes
<azonenberg>
Me too
<cr1901_modern>
It's easy for me to demonize the right-wing as if they're unfeeling, horrible people.
<whitequark>
the 2008 RU election and the UA war does that
<azonenberg>
whitequark: Which is why i moved out to an island with a population density 10x lower than the city
<azonenberg>
where, for the most part, people leave me alone
<whitequark>
and the whole living under the skirt of PRC thing also
<whitequark>
well
<whitequark>
if the US government crumbles, you're still fucked imo
<whitequark>
I suppose otherwise it's somewhat safer short-term
<azonenberg>
Yes, short term
<azonenberg>
Long term? thats another story
<azonenberg>
and one i hope to not encounter
<whitequark>
personally I don't believe it makes enough of a difference for me to give up the convenience of cities otherwise
<azonenberg>
i dislike cities in general
<cr1901_modern>
Any long term plans become Undefined Behavior if the government crumbles
<whitequark>
having a viable escape route, now that is important
<azonenberg>
this isnt why i moved here
<whitequark>
ah
<azonenberg>
i live *near* one because of employment prospects
<azonenberg>
if i thought i could get work 100% remote, reliably?
<azonenberg>
i'd live out in the middle of nebraska or wyoming or something with a population density of like 10 people per square mile :p
<whitequark>
cr1901_modern: I know a RU guy who always carries an intl passport and enough money for a flight out of the country on him
<whitequark>
doesn't have to be long-term
<whitequark>
azonenberg: food? gas?
<whitequark>
oh, you mean in peaceful times
<whitequark>
sure
<cr1901_modern>
whitequark: carries the money (as in legal tender) ON him? That's... not a bad idea
<azonenberg>
Yes
<whitequark>
cr1901_modern: as in cash
<azonenberg>
whitequark: During unrest, it means you're the last thing anyone will ever worry about
<azonenberg>
So as long as you're equipped to be left on your own for a while (a good thing anyway if you live in the country, utilities etc aretn super reliable and storms can cut off roads for a long time)
<azonenberg>
you just sit down and business as usual
<whitequark>
this style of life is attractive to me but I know I won't be able to live like that in practice, (somewhat sadly)
<cr1901_modern>
Why does Putin want Trump to win?
<jhol>
because noone wants a war with russia
<jhol>
and HRC's no-fly zone would cause just that
<whitequark>
meh, russia doesn't have money for another land war
<cr1901_modern>
Okay, what else? I mean, I already casted my vote knowing HRC's not likely to meddle in foregin affairs, so yea I'll take the blame for that.
<cr1901_modern>
bleh
<cr1901_modern>
is likely to keep meddling*
<whitequark>
in fact I'm eagerly awaiting for it to become as fucked as it has been in a few decades
<cr1901_modern>
Is that part of the reason you left?
<whitequark>
no. the reason i left is because no one who isn't a part of corrupt mineral extraction clique has a future in RU
<whitequark>
the reason i wait for it to fall is schadenfreude, mostly
<whitequark>
the reserve funds are at their last breaths, the pension funds are gutted
<whitequark>
oil is pretty low and probably stays there for the next few years
<cr1901_modern>
I eagerly await the day that the benefits of moving outweight the advantages of staying (mainly, "not in the mood to upend my life")
<cr1901_modern>
I've resolved myself to my fate. I will prob never learn another language properly.
<rqou>
which is... even longer than XML :P
<cr1901_modern>
qu1j0t3: I just realized... am I supposed to read your name as "Quixote"? Like the windmill guy?
<qu1j0t3>
cr1901_modern: nominally
<rqou>
i never really learned chinese "properly"
<rqou>
only "that half-assed way that most ABCs (American Born Chinese) learned it"
<rqou>
apparently a buffer overflow attack is 緩衝區滿溢攻擊
<qu1j0t3>
ironically
* qu1j0t3
ponders utf-8 vulnerabilities
<cr1901_modern>
Well, I don't think I'll learn another writing system at least. Spanish if I have a dictionary I'm okay; grammar rules are easy compared to English
<cr1901_modern>
'cept subjunctive which has no English equivalent
<whitequark>
rqou: does that just say "extensible markup language" in some extremely awkward terms?
<whitequark>
qu1j0t3: there's an entire unicode TR dedicated to that
<whitequark>
mostly confusable and normalization ones
* qu1j0t3
nods
<rqou>
yes, it's literally "able to expand indicating language"
<whitequark>
qu1j0t3: oh cool, do you also speak chinese?
<whitequark>
or rather write is more correct to say
<qu1j0t3>
whitequark: no, didn't mean to imply that :)
<whitequark>
oh
<rqou>
regarding unicode bugs, I have a pure-nonlatin IDN that has so far been rejected by both StartCom and Let's Encrypt
<rqou>
i never tried WoSign, but that probably would have worked
<rqou>
as in, before WoSign blew up :P
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<rqou>
offtopic: I get to vote for the directors of the water district! How useful! /s
<rqou>
Only slightly more useful that voting for the director of the transit authority!
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<biot>
rqou: around here I *wish* I could vote out the directors of the water outfit -- it's notoriously corrupt
<rqou>
where is "here" for you?
<biot>
belgium, although this is a more local outfit, not country-wide
<cr1901_modern>
rqou: No worries re: politics. This was a pretty tame chat :P. I would just like to hold off End Times for 4 more years
<rqou>
but didn't you know that the world will end *tomorrow* if <candidate you dislike> wins?! :P
<rqou>
you'll need to move to Canada/<some other country>!!!
<whitequark>
as far as I'm concerned the world has ended in the US already ;p
<whitequark>
I can visit the Silicon Valley Exclusion Zone at times but never stay
<rqou>
how about RU/UK/EU?
<balrog>
rqou: director of the transit authority?
<balrog>
I sure wish we could vote for that person here
<whitequark>
at this point UK disgusts me on a visceral level, in RU I will have no future, and EU doesn't want me itself
<balrog>
maybe that would lead to fewer transit strikes
<cr1901_modern>
whitequark: Have you ever been to Chernobyl Exclusion Zone? If so, is it a worthwhile trip?
<whitequark>
no? why would I
<rqou>
to test Geiger counters? :P
<whitequark>
I work with enough carcinogens to voluntarily subject myself to more of that for fun
<cr1901_modern>
B/c some ppl like urban exploration.
<cr1901_modern>
And I figured maybe you did. And so that would be a decent in-country trip :P
<whitequark>
in-country??
<whitequark>
do you even know which country Chernobyl is in?
<rqou>
it's in Ukraine
<cr1901_modern>
Fuck me, it's Ukraine, isn't it?
<whitequark>
bingo
<nats`>
I would love to get a trip to pripiat
<rqou>
relations are "less than stellar"
<cr1901_modern>
And Ukraine is not Russia
<nats`>
it's now possible to visit that city :)
<whitequark>
it's usually romanized as "pripyat"
<nats`>
ah oky :)
<whitequark>
afaik there are even trains to kyiv still?
<cr1901_modern>
whitequark: I have said a lot of stupid shit. That was probably one of the worst and I give full permission to use it against me.
<rqou>
be an ugly American and say "eh, they all use that Cyrillic script" :p
<whitequark>
hm, no, no trains
<whitequark>
buses though
<whitequark>
so you can take a 15h bus trip.
<cr1901_modern>
I guess it's not a daytrip then
<cr1901_modern>
kyiv == kiev?
<rqou>
no trains to Kiev or no trains to EU at all?
<whitequark>
you could take a 4h flight through Minsk
<whitequark>
cr1901_modern: yes. ukrainians romanize it as kyiv. russians as kiev
<whitequark>
the pronunciation is actually the same afaik
<whitequark>
rqou: well there are trains to e.g. Riga
<cr1901_modern>
And yes, while I'd love to visit Pripyat, there's also a dead forest that I can't remember the name of
<whitequark>
it's not exactly hard to
<whitequark>
get a visa. you'll need to go through a tuberculosis check though
<whitequark>
assuming they also have the stupid regulation
<cr1901_modern>
I've never had TB
<whitequark>
yes. but you don't have a piece of paper that says so, so you will have to get a check to get a RU visa
<whitequark>
I assume it's the same for the UA visa but not sure
<whitequark>
RU has an epidemic of tuberculosis so bad, WHO had to literally invent a whole new category for it, "XDR", for "extremely drug-resistant"
<rqou>
US citizens don't need a visa for Ukraine
<cr1901_modern>
So... is there a non-negligible chance I will get it if I go there?
<whitequark>
rqou: oh
<whitequark>
cr1901_modern: unless you go to prison and spend five years there, no
<whitequark>
it's a prison and poverty disease
<rqou>
HKSAR passport holders don't need a visa for RU
<cr1901_modern>
I see...
<whitequark>
rqou: but US citizens do, and I'm told the process is *arduous*
<whitequark>
every single person who went through it was fuming
<rqou>
I have both :p
<whitequark>
serves 'em right for making the US visitor visa process so obnoxious
<rqou>
but yes, otherwise the process is a huge pain as far as I was able to determine
<rqou>
I wanted to add Kaliningrad as a ~1 day stop on a Europe trip (just to see the bridges :p ) and determined that the pain in the ass level isn't worth it
<cr1901_modern>
Try to cross them all once :P?
<cr1901_modern>
Yea I know I totally am original
<whitequark>
wait, don't you have a HKSAR passport?
<whitequark>
what's hte problem then?
<rqou>
I do, but my parents don't
<whitequark>
oh
<rqou>
or more specifically my father doesn't
<whitequark>
that... is weird
<whitequark>
ah
<rqou>
also getting to Kaliningrad from western Europe seemed to also be very annoying
<rqou>
cr1901_modern: it's actually possible to cross the bridges only once now
<cr1901_modern>
Oh?
<rqou>
as long as you start on one of the islands
<rqou>
some of the bridges got bombed in WWII
<cr1901_modern>
So there was 7. Now there's... ?
<rqou>
wikipedia says 5
<cr1901_modern>
balrog: That would imply SEPTA Administration treating its operators like people
<cr1901_modern>
And we can't have that, can we?
<balrog>
cr1901_modern: yeah, that was my point
<balrog>
would be nice to have better administrators at the top
<cr1901_modern>
I mean I suppose it could be worse. I've heard enough BART horror stories :P
<rqou>
whitequark: "XDR-TB strains have arisen after the mismanagement of individuals with multidrug-resistant TB (MDR-TB)."
<rqou>
thanks RU
<whitequark>
yup
<whitequark>
by "mismanagement" they mean "left to die in a disintegrating hospital"
<cr1901_modern>
balrog: At least SEPTA... works and isn't decaying XD?
<whitequark>
and thats still going on afaik
<whitequark>
cuz what else are you gonna do with XDR
<rqou>
cr1901_modern: BART is actually gaining some popularity because it sucks less than being stuck in Bay Area traffic
<rqou>
i wish we could beg HK MTR to run our transit :p
<whitequark>
don't we all
<whitequark>
I actually insist on just firing the entire government and bringing in german administrators
<rqou>
MTR is actually running Stockholm's metro
<cr1901_modern>
rqou: I thought BART was always popular. But the tracks are in need of repair.
<whitequark>
oh, nice
<whitequark>
so there are entire two transit systems in the world that run on time
<rqou>
Japanese transit does as well
<cr1901_modern>
Over here, SEPTA basically strikes every time contracts are up. If there are BART strikes, I figured I'd hear about them on Twitter by now.
<rqou>
iirc they've had a few
<rqou>
by far not "every time contracts are up"
<cr1901_modern>
Ahh, 2013 it seems.
<cr1901_modern>
So, tradeoff- "infrastructure needs repair but workers are treated okay" vs "infrastructure okay but workers treated horribly"
<rqou>
MTR: "infrastructure OK, worked cheap, government backed" :p
<rqou>
*workers
<cr1901_modern>
Idk about MTR
* cr1901_modern
looks it up
<rqou>
also: "Property is one of the main businesses of the MTR with the profits from this arm outstripping those from fares. "
<rqou>
MTR is Hong Kong's transit authority
<rqou>
they run subways, light rail, and buses
<whitequark>
buses too? I thought that was KMB
<whitequark>
and... whichever sketchy entity is responsible for sketcy minibuses
<cr1901_modern>
Well, it's good I take it :P?
<rqou>
MTR has some buses
<rqou>
iirc they got it after the KCR merger
<whitequark>
cr1901_modern: best transit service in the world
<whitequark>
excellent stations, great navigation, always runs on time, air-conditioned to near-freezing state
<whitequark>
I actually *like* commuting on it
<rqou>
also one of the most profitable
<cr1901_modern>
Well then... :o!
<rqou>
the freezing stations were actually toned down a few years back
<cr1901_modern>
Looks like I'm missing out lol (I actually like public transportation/rail. I wish I used it more than I do).
<whitequark>
american public transit is a joke even compared to Moscow's, which isn't stellar to begin with
<rqou>
but don't worry, Facebook/Google/etc. have got their employees covered :p
<whitequark>
iirc MTR is fined by HKG some five-digit sum for every minute of delay or something like that
<whitequark>
so they have a strong incentive to make trains run on time
<cr1901_modern>
It's really not a joke in NJ IMO. But that's b/c it's sandwiched between two of the most populated cities in the country/world. So there's incentive for public transit to serve those two cities
<whitequark>
well I've seen public transit in Seattle and SV
<cr1901_modern>
whitequark: It depends on your metric of better. But for what you're looking for, MTR is prob better than NJ, but NJ is better than Seattle and SV areas.
<cr1901_modern>
I would confidently say that there is no single location in the state of NJ that's more than 10 minutes walking distance from a bus route
<whitequark>
that does sound alright
<whitequark>
assuming the buses actually run at decent intervals
<whitequark>
wait, what
<whitequark>
in the STATE of NJ?
<cr1901_modern>
Yes. Not a typo
<whitequark>
the entire 22 thousand square kilometers of it?
<cr1901_modern>
I should do an overlay of the bus routes
<rqou>
AC transit actually has such a map
<rqou>
it likes to crash PDF.js
<rqou>
:p
<cr1901_modern>
whitequark: NJ transit covers 5,325 square miles (13,790 km2). So half the state.
<balrog>
cr1901_modern: yeah, it works and isn't decaying, but that was not the case during the days of the Ridge administration
<balrog>
also the west philly trolley system is badly in need of an upgrade, but they are bidding that out
* cr1901_modern
likes the trolleys lol
<cr1901_modern>
rqou: Lol not surprised it crashes. Erm, no such maps for NJ transit. Google Maps isn't wonderful at figuring out the best route either in my experience. So if I need to go into Philly (w/o driving to a PATCO station) I have to plan on a per-trip basis.
<rqou>
arrgh one of my housemates just ordered a ginormous 3ft tall box from Amazon
<rqou>
now I get to somehow get it up the stairs
<rqou>
it's also labeled as containing li-ion cells
<rqou>
well, that made Prime worth it for at least a few months :P
<cr1901_modern>
Oh cool Google Maps will show all NJ Transit routes near my current coordinates lol
<rqou>
yeah, it can do that
<rqou>
google is becoming ever more powerful/creepy/<insert opinion here>
<cr1901_modern>
Okay, looks like 10 minutes remark was a bit too confident. But, it's still pretty damn good. One could always bike to the nearest stop too.
<rqou>
let's be real, nobody in the US considers bicycles a serious means of transportation
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<cr1901_modern>
rqou: True :P. I should consider doing it tho.