#ruby-lang on 2015-03-09 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2015-03-07 13:37 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.2.1; 2.1.5; 2.0.0-p643: https://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on https://gist.github.com

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00:02 <kevin_lomax> hi everyone!

00:03 <jhass> hi

00:03 <kevin_lomax> does any of you know why "true and true and false" == true ?

00:03 <jhass> >> true && true && false

00:03 <eval-in_> jhass => false (https://eval.in/297514)

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00:03 <jhass> kevin_lomax: do you know irb?

00:03 <kevin_lomax> this caused a bug in my code and it took me a really long time to figure out what is going on

00:03 <kevin_lomax> yes

00:04 <kevin_lomax> i tried running it in irb and got false

00:04 <kevin_lomax> sorry i mean true

00:04 <jhass> >> true and true and false

00:04 <eval-in_> jhass => false (https://eval.in/297516)

00:04 <jhass> ?

00:04 <kevin_lomax> irb(main):002:0> true and true and false

00:04 <kevin_lomax> => false

00:04 <jhass> that's weird, I just proved it wrong above

00:04 <jhass> what's your ruby version?

00:05 <jhass> oh, wait

00:05 <kevin_lomax> Ruby 2.0.0 on Windows 8

00:05 <jhass> you got false

00:05 <jhass> why you think you got true?

00:06 <kevin_lomax> sorry you're totally right

00:06 <kevin_lomax> i was having that problem in my rails code and for some reason i thought i had the same issue in irb

00:06 <kevin_lomax> the bug was resolved by going from "true and true and false" to "true && true && false"

00:06 <womble> The nit-picky answer would be because all strings are true values in Ruby. <grin>

00:07 <jhass> kevin_lomax: maybe it'd be less confusing for the real expression

00:07 <jhass> but you probably hit the reason why I banned and/or in my code and use &&/|| only

00:07 <kevin_lomax> completed = saved && current_section && @response_set.mandatory_questions_complete_in_section?(current_section.id)

00:08 <kevin_lomax> this is the actual code

00:08 <jhass> so it's not even and in your real code?

00:08 <jhass> that was a really badly abstracted question :P

00:08 <kevin_lomax> it was

00:08 <kevin_lomax> but i changed it to &&

00:08 <kevin_lomax> and now it's working

00:08 <kevin_lomax> haha

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00:09 <jhass> yeah, that's because a = b and c is (a = b) and c whereas a = b && c is a = (b && c) as you expect

00:09 <jhass> as in and has a lower precedence than = while && has a higher one

00:09 <kevin_lomax> and has a lower precedence than = or just == ?

00:10 <jhass> than = (or equal? I don't exactly remember actually)

00:10 <kevin_lomax> oh wow i had no idea

00:10 <kevin_lomax> that resolves it

00:10 <kevin_lomax> is there any reason to use "and" or should i just stick to && from now on?

00:10 <kevin_lomax> seems really counter-intuitive

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00:11 <kevin_lomax> here we go in irb

00:11 <jhass> I found no sane one yet

00:11 <kevin_lomax> irb(main):003:0> temp = true and true and false

00:11 <kevin_lomax> => false

00:11 <kevin_lomax> irb(main):004:0> temp

00:11 <kevin_lomax> => true

00:11 <jhass> yeah

00:12 <kevin_lomax> that's why i was confused but when I tried it the second time to show you i forgot the temp = part

00:12 <jhass> some use and / or for control flow

00:12 <jhass> but I hate that

00:12 <kevin_lomax> ok so no real reason

00:13 <kevin_lomax> i'll take a page from your book and stick to && / ||

00:13 <jhass> condition and return some_value

00:13 <kevin_lomax> thanks a bunch jhass

00:13 <jhass> things like that

00:13 <kevin_lomax> oh yes i've done that before

00:13 <kevin_lomax> without problems

00:13 <jhass> instead of the sane return some_value if condition

00:13 <kevin_lomax> it's just style though, i can still use && right?

00:14 <jhass> as said, I ban and/or in my code and live perfectly fine with that

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00:14 <kevin_lomax> i found it handy for "render :page and return" in rails

00:14 <kevin_lomax> how would you write that differently?

00:14 <jhass> two lines

00:14 <jhass> or whole method body being a if / else

00:14 <kevin_lomax> ok :)

00:15 <kevin_lomax> thanks a lot

00:15 <kevin_lomax> have a good evening

00:15 <jhass> you're welcome, have a nice evening too

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00:25 * apeiros_ usually writes `render :page and return` as `render :page` in rails

00:25 <apeiros_> but then again, I value cleanly structured code which doesn't require mid-code returns :)

00:26 <vhlfd> It's a lifestyle.

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05:21 <mrod> I have a script to keep an up-to-date copy of the Coinbase Exchange order book. I'm trying to modularize it but I can't get this part to work. Basically it listens on a websocket and puts incoming messages in a Queue. Despite creating the queue object, I get an "undefined method <<" everytime an object comes in. https://gist.github.com/mikerodrigues/a43f5d9b240f0cec7817

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05:25 <womble> mrod: What's the *full* error message, including stacktrace?

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05:29 <mrod> womble: I added the error, and full backtrace for the << operation to the gist

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07:15 <apoc> this code crashes in 2.2.0: range = /[\x5b-\x60\x7b-\x7d]/; re = /#{range}|[[:alpha:]]/

07:15 <apoc> but it works in 2.1.X, how do I fix this?

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07:20 <womble> >> range = /[\x5b-\x60\x7b-\x7d]/; re = /#{range}|[[:alpha:]]/

07:20 <eval-in_> womble => premature end of char-class: /(?-mix:[\x5b-\x60\x7b-\x7d])|[[:alpha:]]/ (RegexpError) ... (https://eval.in/297606)

07:21 <apoc> >> re = /(?-mix:[\x5b-\x60\x7b-\x7d])|[[:alpha:]]/

07:21 <eval-in_> apoc => /(?-mix:[\x5b-\x60\x7b-\x7d])|[[:alpha:]]/ (https://eval.in/297607)

07:21 <apoc> is that a ruby bug?

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07:24 <womble> It feels that way to me, but I'm no expert.

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07:32 <bnagy> >> s="[\\]^_`{|}"; /[#{Regexp.escape(s)}]|[[:alpha"]]/.match "]"

07:32 <eval-in_> bnagy => #<MatchData "]"> (https://eval.in/297608)

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07:37 <bnagy> >>range = /[\x5b-\x60\x7b-\x7d]/; re = Regexp.union range, /[[:alpha:]]/

07:37 <eval-in_> bnagy => /(?-mix:[\x5b-\x60\x7b-\x7d])|(?-mix:[[:alpha:]])/ (https://eval.in/297609)

07:38 <bnagy> special place in hell for devs who use hex codes for printable ascii

07:39 <antifone> anyone using Gosu here ?

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08:24 <sheldonh> Aside from "Why?", are there downsides to assigning objects to constant names (e.g. Registry), such that consumers think they're interacting with a class?

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08:34 <womble> sheldonh: Why would they think they're interacting with a class?

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09:36 <godd2> antifone I'm familiar with Gosu. There's also the #gosu channel.

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09:40 <antifone> thanks godd2

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10:06 <yorickpeterse> morning

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10:16 <sheldonh> womble: well, they'd do SomeConstant.foo(...) so the expectation would be a class or a module. that would be *my* expectation, anyway. maybe i should just let go of that and trust everyone else to do the same :)

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10:54 <yorickpeterse> How to recognize solid Ruby:

10:54 <yorickpeterse> last_period_result = result[0]["count"].to_i rescue 0

10:54 * yorickpeterse cries

10:54 <yorickpeterse> cry evry tiem

10:55 <workmad3> yorickpeterse: that looks pretty :P

10:57 <yorickpeterse> I'm looking at a whole file of this crap

10:57 <yorickpeterse> no docs, no tests, the usual drill

10:57 * yorickpeterse gets his hammer

10:57 <yorickpeterse> I think I also need some holy water

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10:58 <yorickpeterse> http://i.imgur.com/xWCwctV.png ._.

10:59 <yorickpeterse> also yay xfce4-screenshot can upload to imgur

10:59 <yorickpeterse> (the grey block thingies is trailing whitespace)

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14:37 <mustmodify> this might be OT for this channel... how do I calculate the probability of collision for Hash#to_hash? I assume it's pretty low but I want to know if it's low enough to use as a caching strategy.

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14:39 <jhass> what do you mean? Hash#to_hash just returns self

14:39 <mustmodify> hm...

14:40 <mustmodify> jhass: Sorry, my fault.

14:40 <mustmodify> Hash#hash

14:40 <jhass> Hash#hash is not stable across processes

14:40 <jhass> >> {}.hash

14:40 <eval-in_> jhass => -415843387 (https://eval.in/297765)

14:40 <jhass> >> {}.hash

14:40 <eval-in_> jhass => -37092332 (https://eval.in/297766)

14:40 <mustmodify> I guess the odds are 1 in whatever-is-the-maximum-value assume equal distribution, whatever equal distribution means for a hash.

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14:41 <mustmodify> bah! Really? What?

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14:41 <jhass> it's not a checksum or anything

14:41 <mustmodify> I get zero

14:41 <mustmodify> >>ENV['RUBY_VERSION']

14:41 <eval-in_> mustmodify => nil (https://eval.in/297767)

14:42 <jhass> >> RUBY_DESCRIPTION

14:42 <eval-in_> jhass => "ruby 2.2.0p0 (2014-12-25 revision 49005) [i686-linux]" (https://eval.in/297768)

14:42 <jhass> 18>> {}.hash

14:42 <eval-in_> jhass => 0 (https://eval.in/297769)

14:42 <jhass> 18>> {}.hash

14:42 <eval-in_> jhass => 0 (https://eval.in/297770)

14:43 <jhass> 18>> {"foo" => "bar"}.hash

14:43 <eval-in_> jhass => -245358099 (https://eval.in/297771)

14:43 <jhass> 18>> {"foo" => "bar"}.hash

14:43 <eval-in_> jhass => 291512995 (https://eval.in/297772)

14:43 <jhass> 19>> {}.hash

14:43 <eval-in_> jhass => 0 (https://eval.in/297773)

14:43 <jhass> 20>> {}.hash

14:43 <eval-in_> jhass => 0 (https://eval.in/297774)

14:43 <jhass> interesting

14:43 <mustmodify> https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/0bdcbdbf0e25895ece86

14:43 <jhass> 21>> {}.hash

14:43 <eval-in_> jhass => 235137865 (https://eval.in/297775)

14:43 <jhass> there, 2.1 changed it

14:43 <jhass> anyway, don't depend on it

14:43 <jhass> if there are actual values in it it's not even on 1.8 stable

14:43 <mustmodify> ah.

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14:44 <mustmodify> so they changed hash from consistent to inconsistent in 2.1?

14:44 <jhass> no

14:44 <jhass> they rather made empty hash consistent with non-empty hash in 2.1

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14:46 <mustmodify> >> 30.times.map{ {a: 8}.hash }.uniq => [-3670446793647847194]

14:46 <eval-in_> mustmodify => /tmp/execpad-f2433fdad10c/source-f2433fdad10c:2: syntax error, unexpected =>, expecting keyword_end ... (https://eval.in/297777)

14:47 <mustmodify> woops

14:47 <mustmodify> >> 30.times.map{ {a: 8}.hash }.uniq

14:47 <eval-in_> mustmodify => [-855588852] (https://eval.in/297778)

14:47 <jhass> yes, it's stable inside a process

14:47 <jhass> it's not stable across processes

14:47 <mustmodify> Oh

14:47 <mustmodify> I see

14:47 <mustmodify> that clears things up.

14:47 <jhass> pretty sure I said that initially

14:48 <mustmodify> jhass: I must have missed it.

14:48 <jhass> 15:40 <jhass> Hash#hash is not stable across processes

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15:14 <mustmodify> jhass: Well then do I need to write my own checsum-kind-of-method using md5 or something? Or is there some other method that already does what I want?

15:16 <jhass> I'd look into existing caching solutions

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17:58 <Adam____> Hello, all

17:58 <havenwood> hi

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17:58 <Adam____> I have a question about methods

17:59 <Adam____> and parsing the last element from different object

17:59 <Adam____> objects*

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17:59 <centrx> Question unasked, question unanswered.

18:00 <Adam____> for example def last("abcde") , last([1,2,3,4,5]), last(1, 2, 3, 4, "a", "b", "c")

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18:00 <Adam____> how would i go about creating a method that parses the last element of each different object?

18:01 <centrx> What does "parses the last element" mean and what kind of different objects would it be used on?

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18:01 <Adam____> return the last element, it would be used on a String, Array, and Arguments

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18:02 <wallerdev> is the 5 the last element

18:02 <wallerdev> or the array itself

18:02 <wallerdev> the last element

18:02 <Adam____> yes for the examples given it would be e, 5, and c

18:02 <wallerdev> and is "abcde" the last element, or is "e" the last "argument"

18:03 <wallerdev> well the thing is

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18:03 <wallerdev> youd have to check what type the element is then

18:03 <centrx> arguments are turned into an array with splat

18:03 <wallerdev> since a string is a single element in ruby

18:03 <wallerdev> its not a pretend array

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18:04 <Adam____> would the easy thing be then to test what the arguments are or to make everything an array first?

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18:04 <wallerdev> you cant make a string an array of characters without knowing its a string first

18:05 <centrx> string has a last

18:05 <centrx> >> "abcde"[-1]

18:05 <eval-in_> centrx => "e" (https://eval.in/297834)

18:05 <centrx> same as array

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18:06 <wallerdev> >> 'abcde'.last

18:06 <eval-in_> wallerdev => undefined method `last' for "abcde":String (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/297835)

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18:07 <Adam____> This is what I worked with before

18:08 <Adam____> def last(value, *args) \n if value == Array \n value.last \n elsif value == String value.slice[-1] else args.last end end

18:09 <centrx> I don't see what's wrong with [-1]

18:09 <Adam____> however, it works in some cases but not all

18:09 <Adam____> I was thinking there might be a more concise answer

18:10 <centrx> [-1] is four characters

18:10 <centrx> not sure how it could be more concise, you could define a method named #lst on String and Array

18:10 <wallerdev> lol

18:12 <Adam____> Thanks for your help, @centrx @wallerdev

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21:29 <zenspider> minitest-sprint 1.1.0 released! http://blog.zenspider.com/releases/2015/03/minitest-sprint-version-1-1-0-has-been-released.html

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23:15 <zenspider> Got dead code? Don't know if you do? debride version 1.0.0 has been released! | software releases by ryan davis - http://blog.zenspider.com/releases/2015/03/debride-version-1-0-0-has-been-released.html

23:15 * womble prefers the old-school way

23:15 <womble> gem install maggots

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23:18 <jefus> ho, sounds like your humors are running low womble

23:19 <womble> jefus: Well, at least I've got plenty of bile

23:20 <jefus> i expel melancholy in your general direction

23:21 <zenspider> wait... so maggots isn't a real gem? you got my hopes up

23:22 <zenspider> damn... that's a good gem name too

23:23 <jefus> Maggot.debride

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23:27 <zenspider> doctors debride. maggots chew. :P

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23:33 <womble> Maggot.chew then

23:34 <zenspider> \O/

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23:35 <jefus> there you go

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