apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.2.1; 2.1.5; 2.0.0-p643: https://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on https://gist.github.com
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<godd2> I would think equestrians and grooms debride.
<jefus> haaa
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<moogumbo> If I have a method that takes keyword arguments, do I have to do anything special to pass in those keyword arguments from a hash when I invoke it?
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<womble> Nope.
<womble> >> def foo(kw); end; foo(kw: "ohai")
<eval-in_> womble => nil (https://eval.in/298004)
<womble> >> def foo(kw); end; foo(:kw => "ohai")
<eval-in_> womble => nil (https://eval.in/298005)
<womble> This might be a better demo, actually:
<womble> >> def foo(kw: nil); kw; end; foo(:kw => "ohai")
<eval-in_> womble => "ohai" (https://eval.in/298006)
<moogumbo> Cool. Thanks.
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<yorickpeterse> morning children
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<Senjai> yorickpeterse: o/
<yorickpeterse> Senjai: wot
<Senjai> Its a wave
<Senjai> geeze
<yorickpeterse> oh heh
<yorickpeterse> I figured that but I was wondering why
<yorickpeterse> forgot I said good morning
<yorickpeterse> like...9 hours ago :P
<yorickpeterse> allright, time to publish this Mongo rant thing I wrote
<yorickpeterse> commence 10gen hatemail
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<Senjai> lol
<Senjai> Is it a mongo hate thing?
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<yorickpeterse> gimme those delicious retweets/hate replies
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<yorickpeterse> lol some bot already retweeted it
<centrx> This "Postgresql" (what is that!?) doesn't sound webscale
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<bradland> SQL eh? I remember that language. I think my dad used to write it or something.
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<smoitra> Hello all I am planning to give weka a web based UI so where should I start ?
<jhass> by explaining what the hell weka is
<smoitra> I am planning to use jruby for that
<wallerdev> lol
<smoitra> Weka is machine learning tool tool
<wallerdev> whyd you pick jruby
<wallerdev> is weka written in java
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<jhass> lol, "Yes, it is possible to apply Weka to <strong>big data</strong>!"
<smoitra> wallerdev: because I am rubyist
<wallerdev> are you?
<jhass> smoitra: sinatra should be fine I guess
<smoitra> I am planning for rails
<jhass> what feature of rails will you need?
<wallerdev> scaling probably
<wallerdev> lol
<wallerdev> is it going to be a large site?
<wallerdev> or just like a single page
<wallerdev> are you gonna need a database?
<jhass> what's the feature set? how would the typical user workflow look like?
<smoitra> The user should be able to upload data
<jhass> that's too vague
<jhass> get detailed
<smoitra> and all the preprocessing stuff
<jhass> 1) user starts application server 2) user opens web browser and visits localhost:1234 3) ...
<wallerdev> too much detail
<wallerdev> tell us less
<wallerdev> lol
<jhass> or 1) user visits superawesomebigdatacloud.com 2) user signs up for a user account priced at $99 per month 3)...
<wallerdev> i wouldnt use sinatra if you need to have many different pages and need to like store data and browse through old records and thigns on the site
<wallerdev> but thats just personal preference
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<smoitra> Basically I will be making a website based on this where user will come and upload the data and get results
<jhass> okay I give up
<jhass> good luck
<wallerdev> if it's just a one or two page website i wouldnt bother with rails
<wallerdev> haha
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<[spoiler]> yorickpeterse: Just saw your pro-Postgre rant on HN :P
<[spoiler]> Postgres*
<centrx> "For example, at some point in time we had to remove about a million documents from MongoDB and then re-insert them later on. The result of this process was that the database went in a near total lockdown for several hours, resulting in degraded performance."
<centrx> yorickpeterse, Is that for real, why does anyone use, only a million records?
<yorickpeterse> centrx: what, the article?
<yorickpeterse> Yeah it's the real deal
<centrx> I mean how bad it sounds like Mongo sucks
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<yorickpeterse> Oh yeah, we won't miss it
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<pipework> yorickpeterse: Yeah, I don't think sensational databases like that can recover from some of their problems anytime soon. I use postgres unless I'm having fun with graph databases.
<|jemc|> yorickpeterse: sounds like you solved your problems by adding *static types* to your database :D
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<yorickpeterse> |jemc|: pretty much
<yorickpeterse> no generics though, they should've called it GoSQL :<
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<|jemc|> I love how go project names always sound like rude imperative commands when read aloud
<|jemc|> GoScrewYourself (A Go implementation of the Screw Yourself protocl)
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<yorickpeterse> got the title the wrong way around
<yorickpeterse> can't edit it either :?
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<yorickpeterse> * :/
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<turova> Hello! I'm trying to install a gem on a fresh copy of CentOS (in a docker container) and it's failing to find ruby/io.h (http://pastebin.com/WShgBGjC). Anyone know what I need to do to install this?
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<centrx> turova, Ruby dev package with header files
<turova> centrx, I installed "yum install -y ruby ruby-devel rubygems rubygems-devel"
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<centrx> turova, Ruby 1.8 is very old and beyond end-of-life. Maybe the gem doesn't support it
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<turova> hmm yea that actually sounds right.. I didn't have problems when I installed it from source... annoyingly this project is really pushing for everything to be out of the standard repo
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<turova> centrx, thanks I think that solves my problem though
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<darix> centrx: turova: your distribution is still doing security updates and such. just upstream has removed 1.8 from the list of supported branches.
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<apeiros_> yorickpeterse: didn't know you tweet :-p
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<yorickpeterse> HN is going nuts
<yorickpeterse> doing better than the Go posts
<yorickpeterse> turned into this whole ORM vs String concatting discussion
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<wallerdev> oh wow didnt realize that was your actual name
<wallerdev> lol
<wallerdev> i thought you were just cool like yo im rick
<yorickpeterse> haha
<yorickpeterse> I need to wear a cap sideways for that to work out
<wallerdev> do it
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<yorickpeterse> don't have a mullet sadly
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<Senjai> yorickpeterse: You're awesome
<yorickpeterse> I say that to myself in the mirror in the morning, finally somebody else notices
<yorickpeterse> (haha that sounds so cheesy)
<yorickpeterse> err
<yorickpeterse> cheezy...wait
<yorickpeterse> oh, apparently it can be both
<Senjai> I would concur
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<Senjai> I just had this argument today at lunch
<yorickpeterse> "Steve jobs quotes retweeted your tweet" wtf
<Senjai> with a node developer throwing the MEAN word around
<yorickpeterse> oh dear
<ohsix> what's going on
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<wallerdev> must be nice to be so popular
<yorickpeterse> buy my book
<yorickpeterse> now on amazon.com
<yorickpeterse> "How to be a HackerNews Thought Leader (tm)"
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<wallerdev> yorickpeterse: the autobiography, the story of the man who became famous overnight
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<yorickpeterse> "Buy now and get a free LinkedIn endorsement"
<wallerdev> lolol
<Senjai> yorickpeterse: What do you use for your analytics?
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<yorickpeterse> on what area? You mean application performance?
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<yorickpeterse> For app performance and such we use New Relic RPM, for some custom metrics we use their Insights service
<yorickpeterse> for raw logging we use syslog/logentries (alerts are hooked into this)
<yorickpeterse> error tracking is done using Rollbar
<yorickpeterse> For infrastructure things (DBs, servers, etc) we just use Amazon Cloudwatch
<yorickpeterse> I think right now we have something like 200k metrics in Cloudwatch :P
<yorickpeterse> but you get like 15 just by starting an EC2 instance, so that's not entirely surprising
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<Senjai> ah, we're just switching to New relic
<Senjai> We already use cloudwatch and aws
<Senjai> But we used skylight for the past little while
<wallerdev> ooh we use rollbar too
<Senjai> Amazon logentries?
<Senjai> We have that in our chef recipes
<wallerdev> but they can't unobfuscate our javascript since we inline it
<wallerdev> :(
<Senjai> but we havent actually hooked it up
<Senjai> wallerdev: Dont inline javascript xD
<wallerdev> its faster on mobile browsers
<wallerdev> where number of allowed simultaneous requests is very low
<Senjai> Create smart manifest files, I would never just inline for speed, inlining is "faster" on all browsers
<yorickpeterse> Senjai: No, just Logentries
<yorickpeterse> https://logentries.com/ this
<Senjai> ah
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<yorickpeterse> we actually use none of their graphing capabilities, we mainly use it for searching raw logs and their alerting
<yorickpeterse> the graphing is quite limited
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<wallerdev> what do you mean by smart manifest files Senjai
<Senjai> Manifest files that package the javascript necessary for the page
<Senjai> into one or two files
<wallerdev> how would that help haha, its already in 0 files
<wallerdev> and we need javascirpt for the site to load
<wallerdev> since it's a web app
<Senjai> A <script> tag in the head, like every other website
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<Senjai> lol
<Senjai> Your complaint was # of simultaneous requests, manifest files solve that issue
<Senjai> yorickpeterse: We used logentries before, but we didn't keep it on
<yorickpeterse> Hm, we just use the assets hell^H^H^H^H pipeline, seems to work
<Senjai> Something about all logs had to be a single line
<wallerdev> its still an extra request though?
<wallerdev> haha
<yorickpeterse> Senjai: oh, that could be
<Senjai> wallerdev: Yes, that can be cached once you get it
<Senjai> whereas if you inline it, it cant
<wallerdev> well its most important that the site is quick on the first load, once the user signs up theyve already decided to use it :p
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<Senjai> Uhm, what
<Senjai> It can be fast on the first load
<Senjai> the home page doesnt need the javascript for the whole application
<wallerdev> think of all the extra request though slowing it down
<yorickpeterse> but how are you going to load your 50MB Ember app otherwise?
<wallerdev> its angular thank you very much
<wallerdev> :D
<yorickpeterse> sounds familiar
<yorickpeterse> we still have Angular 1.0.1 in production
<wallerdev> :(
<yorickpeterse> yup
<yorickpeterse> it's on the "Burn with fire" list
<Senjai> We load angular with a script tag.
<Senjai> Also fuck angular
<wallerdev> we're on 1.2.16 haha
<Senjai> </thatisall>
<wallerdev> although we have made some modifications
<Senjai> Backbone + Marionette + React(ish)
<Senjai> ftw
<wallerdev> btw rollbar support is great
<apeiros_> 22:49 Senjai: whereas if you inline it, it cant
<apeiros_> what? of course you can
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<wallerdev> you ask them anything and they respond within like 3 seconds
<wallerdev> haha
<Senjai> You can cache the page itself
<Senjai> but if every page inlines the javascript
<Senjai> each page has to be cached
<Senjai> If you're whole app is the one SPA
<Senjai> then you're fine, sure
<apeiros_> every? weren't you talking SPA?
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<apeiros_> ah
<wallerdev> yeah we have one page for our main app
<Senjai> We have .. pages. And then we have an application
<Senjai> beause we dont use angular for static content
<wallerdev> why not?
<wallerdev> think of how dynamic you could make it
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<Senjai> Because you dont need javascript for shit that doesnt change
<Senjai> :P
<Senjai> It's taking a hammer, to wave it around, when there are no nails
<Senjai> Just because you can
<Senjai> xD
<wallerdev> what if you wanted the copyright date at the bottom to update based on what year it was, i dont see any other way to do that besides angular
<wallerdev> :P
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<Senjai> You can do that without javascript
<Senjai> Serverside
<wallerdev> uhh
<Senjai> Or you can do that with *gulp* plain javascript
<Senjai> you dont need angular for that
<wallerdev> then youd have the wrong info when someone is on your page during their new years party
<wallerdev> lol
<Senjai> IF THE COPYRIGHT DATE IS IN YOUR DIGEST LOOP YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG
<Senjai> xD
<wallerdev> lolol
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<Kareesh> Anyone looking for paid work? I need a graphics designer and a mobile website developer, pm me
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<bradland> fwiw, the copyright year should reflect the year the copy was written, not the current year.
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<yorickpeterse> copyright notices in general are fairly useless
<yorickpeterse> since not stating copyright in no way voids it
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<wallerdev> i usually write it like
<wallerdev> 2008 - 20xx
<wallerdev> where the 2nd numbe rdynamically updates
<wallerdev> every tenth of a second
<wallerdev> lol
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