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<RickHull_>
can anyone suggest a tiling WM that is or can be optimized for multiple terminal windows? I'd like to specify the char width, default 80ch, and maybe scale the font however is necessary to make it happen for a desired layout
<RickHull_>
slightly off topic ;) i am hacking ruby code in emacs in several of those terminals
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<RickHull_>
I suppose I should just run emacs full screen, but I'm not a huge fan of how emacs does tiling, the little of it that I've played around with, hmm
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<maloik>
Not strictly ruby, but does anyone here use React in some of their projects? Looking for some quick pointers on additional plugins etc I should use
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<yorickpeterse>
morning
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<ljarvis>
maloik: started using it, dropped it pretty quickly
<maloik>
any particular reason?
<ljarvis>
it just didn't fit our need all that well, I guess. It took ~2000 more lines of code to do the same thing we wrote ourselves
<maloik>
interesting
<ljarvis>
i think it's good, but for the right case
<ljarvis>
as with anything, i guess
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<yorickpeterse>
bro, react is the new thing
<yorickpeterse>
do you even react?
<maloik>
I should've expected that reaction from you
<ljarvis>
snap
<maloik>
(cwidt?)
<yorickpeterse>
badum tsh
<maloik>
im evaluating it today
<ljarvis>
maloik: did you enjoy the drinkup evening in Bath?
<maloik>
heard some super positive things about it and I get the feeling it'd be manageable
<maloik>
the drinkup after the conf?
<ljarvis>
wasn't there a drinkup after the conf?
<maloik>
yea
<maloik>
it was okay
<maloik>
super noisy tbh because it was such a big hall
<maloik>
but we left fairly quickly... went to grab a bite then back to the hotel
<ljarvis>
right, not the 30min beer right at the end, I just assumed lots of people went out in the evening
<maloik>
oh
<ljarvis>
ah
<ljarvis>
yeah I pretty much had that and then left
<maloik>
that's what I meant :D we stayed for like 1-2 hours after the last talk then left
<ljarvis>
your "it was okay" was putting it nicely
<maloik>
didn't meet up with anyone, seemd the few people we knew had left
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<ljarvis>
cramped as fuck
<maloik>
yea there's that...
<ljarvis>
I really enjoyed the conf though, every speaker was great
<maloik>
absolutely
<maloik>
they should make it smaller and turn it into 2 days
<maloik>
i wouldnt mind paying extra
<maloik>
(or make my company pay extra :D)
<ljarvis>
yep I would have too
<maloik>
but I feel like a 1day conf is too short to get to know people and hang out
<ljarvis>
definitely
<ljarvis>
our lunch was basically the only time I got to properly have a chat
<ljarvis>
apart from with ben lovell but that was only short
<maloik>
same here actually
<maloik>
oh the night before as well
<ljarvis>
heh, I wish I had come down the night before
<maloik>
but it was one of those occasions where I chatted with people and don't even remember their name or what they do :(
<ljarvis>
maybe next time. Are you going to Brighton Ruby?
<ljarvis>
yeah I hate those times
<maloik>
not sure, when is it?
<ljarvis>
20th July
<maloik>
ah no I can't, it's the yearly "youth movement" (is that a term?) camping trip
<maloik>
I go along to cook :D
<ljarvis>
that sounds fun
<maloik>
it's a blast
<maloik>
gonna be tough this year though... last year we were 7-9 people depending on the day to cook for about 120
<maloik>
this year we're losing 1 or 2 people and have to cook for 150, perhaps more
<ljarvis>
wow
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<yorickpeterse>
just buy 150 pizzas
<maloik>
gets expensive real quickly :D
<yorickpeterse>
2,45 * 150
<yorickpeterse>
only 367 Euros
<maloik>
I love going out to shop... the store employees' faces are always funny
<maloik>
"do you have any water left?" - *brings an extra pallet* - "yea... you're going to need one more ;)"
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<maloik>
oh you mean cheap frozen pizzas
<maloik>
we're camping in a big field, we have an oven but that's not exactly suitable to prepare 150 pizzas in
<maloik>
:D
<yorickpeterse>
just heat it above the fire
<yorickpeterse>
like they did back in ancient times
<maloik>
:P
<ljarvis>
what's funny is that good authentic italian pizza costs between 2 and 5 euros
<ljarvis>
buying pizza back here in the uk is like 4 times that :(
<ljarvis>
and it's shit
<maloik>
here in ghent I know one place that you can get a pizzas with a bunch of toppings for like 5-7 euro, and it's some of the best I know
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<maloik>
but pretty much any other place (from authentic places to kebab places that deliver pizza) will charge you like 10-18 euro
<ljarvis>
yeah, the ingredients are so cheap
<ljarvis>
dat markup
<maloik>
btw, when you said you needed 2k lines of code for something simple
<maloik>
were you using the whole Flux thing?
<ljarvis>
I don't remember I didn't write it, but I don't think so
<maloik>
hmm okay
<maloik>
just read about that, it's basically putting together your own MVC framework it seems
<maloik>
way overkill for our needs
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<workmad3>
maloik: well, flux and react are really aiming at the FRP paradigm, which is pretty different from MVC (one-way data flows and observable streams are very non-MVC)
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<yorickpeterse>
maloik: what problem are you trying to solve?
<yorickpeterse>
I'd start with that, instead of "Is React suitable for things"
<maloik>
what I meant to say in a technically incorrect way is that working with react that way basically requires you to have a fullblown frontend app
<maloik>
yorickpeterse: some of our forms create objects which we want to use in another form right away... we currently have clunky ajax stuff going on, or use nested attributes
<yorickpeterse>
Most JS frameworks require that you do everything their way, yes
<yorickpeterse>
Which is why I hate most JS frameworks
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<maloik>
I want to see if using a react component and actually using an api call to persist the new object, and then reload the "parent" form (also a react component) is a better flow
<yorickpeterse>
There's very little for the case of "You already have an app and you just want some small dynamic bits"
<yorickpeterse>
e.g. click a button here, text area pops up there
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<yorickpeterse>
No, it's instead "lol JS everything"
<ljarvis>
its called jquery
<yorickpeterse>
ljarvis: har har
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<maloik>
well from what I've read so far, it feels like react could be used as something that's in between both solutions
<yorickpeterse>
I hacked something together for an internal app where you basically bind an element to a function in JS
<maloik>
and it might be what we're after
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<yorickpeterse>
Which is mainly used for doing exactly that: click a button, new form element pops up
<yorickpeterse>
or some basic auto complete stuff
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<yorickpeterse>
I remember some JS framework (starting with a V) that I recall doing basically this
<maloik>
haven't read through it entirely yet, but this seems close to what we might want
<maloik>
very simple usecase, allowing us to plug a tiny component into our existing rails app without having to implement some js framework or the entire flux flow if we dont want to
<yorickpeterse>
I'd be vary wary of any of these bigger JS frameworks claming they're just "plug and play"
<yorickpeterse>
instead of "plug and pray"
<yorickpeterse>
or requiring you to adjust everything to the needs of the framework
<yorickpeterse>
ugh, Coffeescript
<maloik>
yea but that's the thing, reading through this post I think react might actually allow us to do that
<yorickpeterse>
Well, it certainly seems to require a pile of boilerplate to do things browsers already do
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<yorickpeterse>
such as...submitting forms!
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<yorickpeterse>
and that JSX crap is just....ugh
<yorickpeterse>
Spend decades getting presentation code out of logic, and now we're putting it back in
<maloik>
I don't have anything against it (right now)
* yorickpeterse
shakes cane
<yorickpeterse>
maloik: well, I'd ask whoever does frontend work at your place can deal with this
<yorickpeterse>
since they'll probably be the ones going through the piles of code just to change a class
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<maloik>
there's 3 of us in the development team, we do it all
<yorickpeterse>
at least separate files you can say "Oh it's in that file, it's just HTML"
<maloik>
we don't have anyone doing just frontend sadly
<maloik>
or design for that matter, which honestly sucks
<yorickpeterse>
Really anybody that ever has to deal with it that's not a super turbo Ruby dev
<ljarvis>
meh, having just a front-end developer is lol
* yorickpeterse
has a guilty pleasure of being ok with frontend work from time to time
<yorickpeterse>
mainly because I like ripping out JS and replacing it with slightly less crappy JS
<yorickpeterse>
(can't live without jshint either)
<yorickpeterse>
WARNING: TRAILING COMMA IN AN ARRAY FUCKS UP IE, FIX THAT
<yorickpeterse>
^ actually true
<yorickpeterse>
[foo,] fucks up older versions of IE
<yorickpeterse>
makes it thinks it's [foo, null]
<yorickpeterse>
* think
<yorickpeterse>
"But Yorick, what can this do?"
<yorickpeterse>
> fuck up charts
<maloik>
:D
<yorickpeterse>
maloik: either way, I do like React's virtual DOM
<yorickpeterse>
it saves having to mess with injecting elements all the time
<maloik>
exactly
<apeiros>
yorickpeterse: newer versions of IE no longer? hurray!
<yorickpeterse>
But this just reminds me of Angular too much
<yorickpeterse>
apeiros: no idea actually, I don't deal with IE nowadays
<yorickpeterse>
I think we officially only support whatever we want to support
<yorickpeterse>
and that changes depending on the customer's wallet
<yorickpeterse>
(I think it's officially IE8 or something)
<apeiros>
IE8 is also the heisenbug-IE wrt console.log
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<apeiros>
console is not defined in IE8, unless you open the dev tools, then it is defined.
<apeiros>
cost me like 30min to figure…
<yorickpeterse>
seriously?
<ljarvis>
heh yeah
<apeiros>
yes, seriously
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<ljarvis>
we got bit by that a while ago, we use coffeescript so we use console?.log everywhere
<yorickpeterse>
wtf
<apeiros>
since then I have a console = {log: function() {}} patch in my application.js
<yorickpeterse>
I just get boring Cloudfront headers for my own website
<ljarvis>
im not cool enough to need cloudfront
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<yorickpeterse>
neither am I, I'm just too lazy to run my own stuff
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<yorickpeterse>
But yeah, JS frameworks have a while to go before they're suitable for those who don't want to instantly join the culy of "WRITE EVERYTHING IN JS"
<yorickpeterse>
* cult
<yorickpeterse>
damn it, I suck at typing today
<yorickpeterse>
"today?"
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<maloik>
:D
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<yorickpeterse>
Got an Email from some spammer telling me they're doing webdev/design and blablabla
<yorickpeterse>
Lets see if asking them to design a website for my cat "Mr Mittens" gets them to bugger off
<canton7>
paying on completion only, I hope? ;)
<yorickpeterse>
Sent from an @gmail address, but apparently the company has over 150 "professional designers and developers"
<yorickpeterse>
with over 8 years of experience
<canton7>
.. with no desire to do any requirements capture...
<yorickpeterse>
Hm, their domain name is available though
<yorickpeterse>
maybe I should buy it, put a big "Fuck you" on it and send it to them
<yorickpeterse>
"Do you want to buy your domain for 5000 Euros?"
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<yorickpeterse>
now that I'm writing this reply I do hope the other person is human
<yorickpeterse>
maybe I'll get snarky comments about how this is really an Option type and not an actual Maybe monad
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<tbuehlmann>
yorickpeterse, +15 internet points for removing the wiki link on the project
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<darix>
yorickpeterse: i would also disable issues and pull requests for the project ;)
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<jhass>
you can't disable pull requests
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<chris2>
yes ._.
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<ljarvis>
zomg i used refinements in a project
<awea>
Hi there, I have to build an event log system for an app. For example I have to store each time an user do a specific action for a specific item. Any cool, consumable lib to do it ? Or I have to build my own stuff using a redis adapter ?
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<ljarvis>
yardoc fills me with so much anger
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<ljarvis>
awea: I'd probably build it myself, seems quite simple. Maybe look into sidekiq if you need workers
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<vipaca>
Is there a way to have a default value for destructured block arguments?
<awea>
ljarvis: that's what I though, I have start to do some test with minuteman and btrack but nothing concluding.
<ljarvis>
vipaca: destructured?
<ljarvis>
what does that even mean
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<vipaca>
I guess in c this is called comma, in functional its called destructuring. x,y = [1,2]
<yorickpeterse>
tbuehlmann: eh?
<chris2>
a*=0 would be nice for golfing, but a=[] has same length already :>
<yorickpeterse>
We don't use them, so I disable it
<vipaca>
[[1,2],[3,4]].each { |x,y| ...}
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<tbuehlmann>
yorickpeterse, and that's good. I often see the wiki link leading to an empty wiki
<yorickpeterse>
Ah
<vipaca>
{a: [1, 2]}.each { |a, (b, c) | } <== destrictured value of hash key.
<ljarvis>
vipaca: ah right, i didn't understand in the second of block arguments
<canton7>
tbf, other languages have stuff similar to refinements. e.g. C#'s extension methods, objective-c's categories
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<darix>
canton7: c# might actually be inspired by ruby ;)
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<canton7>
it's possible :)
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<ljarvis>
heh, they have to go into a module. So if the class has `using Foo` then you look in `Foo` for the refined class methods.. done
<ljarvis>
it's not really difficult. I prefer this to having a private method on the class and calling it everywhere, which is the alternative I have right now
<darix>
so you could list "partial implementation of xpath 2.0"
<yorickpeterse>
you can also use xmlns:checksum in Oga
<darix>
with the features that actually work from it ;p
<yorickpeterse>
That's unrelated to XPath actually
<yorickpeterse>
well, xpath 2.0 that is
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<yorickpeterse>
heh, nokogiri treats that as an XPath syntax error
<darix>
libxml does actually
<yorickpeterse>
well yeah
<yorickpeterse>
Not sure where I picked up the *:foo syntax again for xpath, I think that's just a happy little accident of the xpath lexer being quite permissive
<yorickpeterse>
and the parser
<yorickpeterse>
So yeah, no xpath 2.0 needed for that :P
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<darix>
well
<darix>
you can also argue that you started implementing xpath 2, so you could actually finish it.
<darix>
just saying
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<yorickpeterse>
Yeah, lets implement all the static typing bullshit it has
<yorickpeterse>
and the support for conditionals and whatever it all added (don't remember the full list)
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<kklemp>
Hello, all - question about best practices for naming client-side implementation demos in my Ruby (not Rails) app
<kklemp>
I developed a mailing app that'll run on a server and handle forms submitted from a static website. One of our implementations is going to be Drupal. I've written a Drupal module to process the appropriate JS. I want to make a git submodule for this Drupal configuration, included in my ruby app. Plan was to put it in ~/public/ somewhere, but I don't want to have a million unnecessary subfolders. Is there a best practices for this?
<womble>
Don't use unnecessary subfolders?
<kklemp>
Well, that's the idea. But if I release the app, are people going to expect it to be in ~/public/demos/drupal? or ~/public/drupal? I don't have enough experience with Ruby app structures to know what standard usage is
<kklemp>
This is my first Ruby app
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