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<
Guest2556 >
hi guys, new to ruby, im working thru thisbook called well grounded rubyist, and i cant find a ruby directory called vendor_ruby
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jhass >
what do you need it for?
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Guest2556 >
i dont tbh, it just says it should be in /usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby
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jhass >
isn't that a debian-ism?
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Guest2556 >
but its not onther directories t talks about are in there appropriate places tho
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havenwood >
Guest2556: First or Second Edition of the book?
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jhass >
oh, mh, nvm I actually have it
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how did you install Ruby?
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sudo apt-get instal ruby
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jhass >
ruby itself doesn't actually seem to use/create it
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only dependencies
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jhass >
er, library
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I think I stop talking now :P
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>> RbConfig::CONFIG['vendordir']
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so vendor_directory is not so important for me as a beginner?
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Guest2556: no
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Guest2556 >
sorry vendar_ruby *
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jhass >
I didn't need to care about in 3 years of ruby
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if i want to redefine an internal function like rb_warn....how do I do that?
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ljarvis, i guess i'm doing it wrong; compiler complaining of method redefinition
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>> module Kernel; def warn(*); p 'here'; end; end; warn "..."
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ljarvis, oh, in pure ruby? won't override rb_warn calls used internally (in C code)
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right, don't think you can do that
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seems like a very bad idea
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i.e something should call rb_warn for a reason over using rb_funcall
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nah, it's just output
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i guess you'll have to ship your own ruby :D
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* yorickpeterse
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basically, i'm trying to rework those internal warnings so that they emit a "StandardWarning"; message would be the same
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well, this is weird, now i can't get it to emit any warnings
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hey guys
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Is rbenv out of date? It isn't listing 2.2.1 as an available version
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whoops nvm ruby-build was out of date
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WhoNeedszZz: it doesn't automatically update definitions, did you try updating rbenv/ruby-build?
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What's the general consensus on version management for linux?
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WhoNeedszZz: Ruby version management?
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WhoNeedszZz: semver
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Senjai, semver doesn't seem to track ruby
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WhoNeedszZz >
havenwood, yes managing different versions ala rvm, rbenv, etc
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WhoNeedszZz: there is no consensus on which ruby manager to use - rvm, rbenv, and chruby are the big three, probably in decreasing order of complexity/invasiveness
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havenwood >
WhoNeedszZz: chruby is the simplest and most elegant option in my opinion. RVM supports older Ruby quirks and installs on odd systems and does more things.
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WhoNeedszZz >
ah ok
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WhoNeedszZz >
I have been away from ruby for too long :/
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WhoNeedszZz >
I just remember rvm being a pain
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WhoNeedszZz >
Just heard about Sinatra today
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chruby is great for when you dont like to cry
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WhoNeedszZz >
just installed it
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Senjai >
I recommend rvm if you're a masochist
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WhoNeedszZz >
I run Arch Linux so i've just been isntalling latest ruby from pacman
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yeahh... dont do that
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right
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I have ruby-install install rubies to /opt/rubies
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Senjai >
with appropriate permissions so only users from a specific group can use them
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Senjai >
it also means you dont need root access to install gems
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though I recommend installing gems locally within the project
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rather than globally
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WhoNeedszZz: Take a look at Roda as well when you're looking at Sinatra. I've really been enjoying Roda.
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bundle install --path vendor/bundle for example
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havenwood, thanks will do. I've been looking at Rails
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WhoNeedszZz: What's your usecase?
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Senjai, nothing yet. Just learning. I'm a CS major
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And have been reading about Rails being highly paid
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If your just learning something to get $$ you should just probably not
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Senjai >
You cant compete with people who actually just like to code
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Not even in the same league
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Oh that's not the case at all
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I've been programming since I was in high school
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I love to code and make money both. :P
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Yeah, but dont pick rails because of job prospects
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Senjai >
theres jobs in any language
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pick one you like
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well sure
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and stick with it
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Though I think it's the having money I like more than the making it.
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I'm definitely a proponent of doing what you enjoy
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But in these days it is tough
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So you have to consider both sides
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No it isnt
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Not that I do have any, waa waaah. >.>
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I dont have a CS major, or a degree and I got picked up within 6 months of contributing to some Open source project I enjoyed working on
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WhoNeedszZz >
ok tell that to the unemployed people
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Senjai >
Find a open source project you like
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and contribute to it
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WhoNeedszZz >
having a brain fart. How do you update gems when you update your ruby version?
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Senjai >
People who use that project will notice
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I will be doing a GE internship in MAy
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WhoNeedszZz: You dont. gems are tied and stored depending on what ruby your using
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WhoNeedszZz: I would highhhlllyyyyy recommend not seeking out a large company
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WhoNeedszZz: nice
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Yeah i'm more of a startup person myself, but hey
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WhoNeedszZz >
How do i get sinatra to work with 2.2.1?
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You only learn one thing when working at a big company
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small teams means you have to wear more hats
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WhoNeedszZz: it just works
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Also big companies are grossly inefficient in my experience
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yeah i agree, but there are ups and downs to both
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often small companies don't provide as good of benefits
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compensation means like nothing when you're starting out
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Find people who are worth learning from
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thats all that matters
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GE is not worth learning from
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WhoNeedszZz: Typically you `gem install bundler`, add Sinatra to your Gemfile and `bundle`. Then you can run your Sinatra commands in the context of that bundle by prefixing `bundle exec` to the command.
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To quickly check it out and experiment.
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Senjai, I appreciate your input, but I know several people who work for GE and similar companies who enjoy it
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WhoNeedszZz: They're "rackup" files with the .ru extension. You can run any one of them by putting it in a dir, installing the gem and running `rackup`.
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Senjai: I don't have anything in the way of a CS degree either.
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havenwood, ah cool. Is that some kind of devops thing?
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WhoNeedszZz: It's a Rack thing.
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havenwood:
*high five*
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WhoNeedszZz: It doesn't ship with Ruby but all these frameworks depend on Rack. When you install any of them it installs Rack, which provides the `rackup` executable.
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i'm still debating whether i want to go dev or sysadmin route
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sysadmins are becoming obsolete
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because chef recipes can replace them
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WhoNeedszZz: Then many also have sugar on top for running apps through a framework-specific executable.
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unless you want to work in a datacenter
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but thats more of a technician role
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There's devops, but thats different than sysadmin'ing
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havenwood: I still havent made a pure rack app :/
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I've rewritten some middleware, but thats it
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so use ruby-build with chruby?
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WhoNeedszZz: ruby-install instead
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WhoNeedszZz: If you just want one Ruby you can just install it to /usr/local and not even use a switcher, e.g.: ruby-install --system ruby 2.2.1
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WhoNeedszZz: Or chruby will autodetect an install like: ruby-install ruby 2.2.1
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the hell
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installing ruby-install is compiling 2.2.0
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WhoNeedszZz: You can specify the version `ruby-install ruby 2.2.1` or update definitions and re-install from the ruby-install dir: make update && sudo make install
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i just cloned the ruby-install get and ran setup.sh
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WhoNeedszZz: Yeah, that installs latest known stable, which is 2.2.0 at present.
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did 2.2.1 just drop?
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WhoNeedszZz: Okay, just pushed definitions for 2.2.1 to ruby-install. ;)
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WhoNeedszZz: So now it knows about it without explicitly saying 2.2.1.
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havenwood, thanks
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Hi everybody :)
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KamilPl >
Can i resolve my small problem in this irc ? :)
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KamilPl: Depends on the problem. No need to ask to ask, just ask! :)
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I create a rails query to database, but when i look what rails query create I don't know why it not take into considerate :(
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eh... my internet.. :/
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KamilPl >
my question is come into this irc ? :)
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KamilPl: say /join #RubyOnRails
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KamilPl >
Thanks jhass :)
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havenwood, having trouble with pacman. Vim requires the ruby package
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WhoNeedszZz: It doesn't harm anything to install the pacman Ruby package.
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that won't conflict?
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WhoNeedszZz: or archlinux? do you need very specific ruby versions or can I recommend you my setup? :P
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WhoNeedszZz: chruby can switch between whatever Rubies you'd like to use, whether you compile yourself, use a tool to build, precompiled binary or package manager.
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WhoNeedszZz: Use jhass' setup!
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jhass, sure
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jhass >
WhoNeedszZz: which is install chruby, pacman -S ruby, aurhelper -S ruby2.1 ruby2.0
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jhass >
RUBIES=(/opt/ruby* $HOME/.rubies/*) into your .$SHELLrc
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and mkdir -p ~/.rubies/2.2/bin; ln -s /usr/bin/ruby ~/.rubies/2.2/bin/ruby
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and finally echo "gem: --no-user-install --env-shebang" > ~/.gemrc
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jhass >
I should make that a gist ^.^
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WhoNeedszZz >
That would be helpful for sure
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WhoNeedszZz >
what's the purpose of installing ruby2.1 and ruby2.0?
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jhass >
well, if you only want to work with the latest ruby ever
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jhass >
then skip all that
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jhass >
skip chruby, rvm, everything
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jhass >
pacman -S ruby and be done with it
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i mean what's the purpose of installing via AUR as opposed to ruby-install?
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jhass >
^ is for different ruby versions at different projects
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WhoNeedszZz >
doesn't that defeat the purpose?
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jhass >
why would it?
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havenwood >
WhoNeedszZz: Arch, unlike some other distros, has very nice and up-to-date Ruby packages.
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jhass >
having files tracked in your package manager is nice, isn't it?
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Doesn't chruby accomplish "mkdir -p ~/.rubies/2.2/bin; ln -s /usr/bin/ruby ~/.rubies/2.2/bin/ruby"
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WhoNeedszZz, it manipulates PATH, GEM_HOME and GEM_PATH
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pipework >
All about dat env, bout dat env, no symlinks
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shouldn't the ln be the other way around
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WhoNeedszZz >
well i'm confused then
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/usr/bin/ruby is the latest
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oh i see
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pipework: haha
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havenwood: Gonna be at ruby on ales
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pipework: You're going? Ahh, I really wanted to! I haven't been back to Oregon in too long.
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havenwood: Yeah, I'll be there. Have you been to an onales?
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Maybe I'll be able to make it next year. That's tomorrow right?
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havenwood: Yeah, tomorrow.
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pipework: No, i've never been but have read it's a great environment. Have you been before?
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pipework >
havenwood: Yeah, last year. It was super fun.
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pipework: Enjoy the Ruby and the ales!
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havenwood: I'll be drinking for two! (That is, you and I)
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hehe, cheers!
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jhass, ok did what you said. chruby isn't showing 2.0 or 2.1
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WhoNeedszZz: restart your term
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ah right derp
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all good now thanks
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havenwood, install roda from gem?
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WhoNeedszZz: aye, gem install roda
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havenwood, so don't use bundler
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WhoNeedszZz: For a real project I'd use Bundler. For code spikes you can or not.
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fair enough
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WhoNeedszZz: I personally avoid Bundler.require in favor of explicitly requiring.
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jhass, so you are the AUR packages maintainer?
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ah cool
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now that i think about it your handle is familiar
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ok well thanks for the help guys. Need to run. I'll be back on some other time
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Dala >
My first time here, I am looking to get opinions piece of code I come across often. On what the ideal way would be.
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Anyone interested in helping me out?
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Dala: ask specific questions, link your code and people might help you if they have an answer. meta questions like yours usually get ignored
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When I have a method that takes multiple parameters, I find myself having to write if statements to check which params are not null. For example:
http://pastebin.com/T3ff60Ex , Balance.where is just a random example i am using, but say I need to make another method call using the params, but I cannot include it if its null.
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What better way would there be to write this, so I do not have to write an if/elsif for every param in the method.
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Dala: there's no way around the if, but you can DRY up by extracting the hash argument: options = {passed_in_any_case: value}; options[:passed_maybe] = value if pass_maybe?; call(options)
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