apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.2.0; 2.1.5; 2.0.0-p643: https://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on https://gist.github.com
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<anon> beta_fag_33
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<jhass> wat
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<Guest2556> hi guys, new to ruby, im working thru thisbook called well grounded rubyist, and i cant find a ruby directory called vendor_ruby
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<jhass> what do you need it for?
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<Guest2556> i dont tbh, it just says it should be in /usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby
<jhass> isn't that a debian-ism?
<Guest2556> but its not onther directories t talks about are in there appropriate places tho
<havenwood> Guest2556: First or Second Edition of the book?
<Guest2556> 2nd
<jhass> oh, mh, nvm I actually have it
<jhass> how did you install Ruby?
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<Guest2556> sudo apt-get instal ruby
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<jhass> ruby itself doesn't actually seem to use/create it
<jhass> only dependencies
<jhass> er, library
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<jhass> libraries
<jhass> I think I stop talking now :P
<havenwood> >> RbConfig::CONFIG['vendordir']
<eval-in> havenwood => "/execpad/interpreters/ruby-2.2.0/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby" (https://eval.in/295719)
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<Guest2556> so vendor_directory is not so important for me as a beginner?
<havenwood> Guest2556: no
<jhass> no
<Guest2556> sorry vendar_ruby *
<Guest2556> ok thx
<jhass> I didn't need to care about in 3 years of ruby
<havenwood> ditto
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<kts> /whoami
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<imperator> if i want to redefine an internal function like rb_warn....how do I do that?
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<ljarvis> imperator: what's wrong with just overriding the method?
<imperator> ljarvis, i guess i'm doing it wrong; compiler complaining of method redefinition
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<ljarvis> >> module Kernel; def warn(*); p 'here'; end; end; warn "..."
<eval-in> ljarvis => "here" ... (https://eval.in/295978)
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<imperator> ljarvis, oh, in pure ruby? won't override rb_warn calls used internally (in C code)
<ljarvis> right, don't think you can do that
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<ljarvis> seems like a very bad idea
<imperator> pfft
<imperator> trying to get around a known issue with https://github.com/schmidt/structured_warnings
<ljarvis> i.e something should call rb_warn for a reason over using rb_funcall
<imperator> nah, it's just output
<ljarvis> i guess you'll have to ship your own ruby :D
* yorickpeterse ventures into #rubyonrails
<imperator> basically, i'm trying to rework those internal warnings so that they emit a "StandardWarning"; message would be the same
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<imperator> well, this is weird, now i can't get it to emit any warnings
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<WhoNeedszZz> hey guys
<havenwood> hi
<WhoNeedszZz> Is rbenv out of date? It isn't listing 2.2.1 as an available version
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<WhoNeedszZz> whoops nvm ruby-build was out of date
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: it doesn't automatically update definitions, did you try updating rbenv/ruby-build?
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<WhoNeedszZz> What's the general consensus on version management for linux?
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: Ruby version management?
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<Senjai> WhoNeedszZz: semver
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<WhoNeedszZz> Senjai, semver doesn't seem to track ruby
<Senjai> what
<WhoNeedszZz> havenwood, yes managing different versions ala rvm, rbenv, etc
<|jemc|> WhoNeedszZz: there is no consensus on which ruby manager to use - rvm, rbenv, and chruby are the big three, probably in decreasing order of complexity/invasiveness
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: chruby is the simplest and most elegant option in my opinion. RVM supports older Ruby quirks and installs on odd systems and does more things.
<WhoNeedszZz> ah ok
<WhoNeedszZz> I have been away from ruby for too long :/
<WhoNeedszZz> I just remember rvm being a pain
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<WhoNeedszZz> Just heard about Sinatra today
<Senjai> chruby is great for when you dont like to cry
<WhoNeedszZz> ha
<WhoNeedszZz> just installed it
<Senjai> I recommend rvm if you're a masochist
<WhoNeedszZz> I run Arch Linux so i've just been isntalling latest ruby from pacman
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<Senjai> yeahh... dont do that
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<WhoNeedszZz> right
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<Senjai> I have ruby-install install rubies to /opt/rubies
<Senjai> with appropriate permissions so only users from a specific group can use them
<Senjai> it also means you dont need root access to install gems
<Senjai> though I recommend installing gems locally within the project
<Senjai> rather than globally
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: Take a look at Roda as well when you're looking at Sinatra. I've really been enjoying Roda.
<Senjai> bundle install --path vendor/bundle for example
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<WhoNeedszZz> havenwood, thanks will do. I've been looking at Rails
<Senjai> WhoNeedszZz: What's your usecase?
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<WhoNeedszZz> Senjai, nothing yet. Just learning. I'm a CS major
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<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: http://roda.jeremyevans.net/
<WhoNeedszZz> And have been reading about Rails being highly paid
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<Senjai> If your just learning something to get $$ you should just probably not
<Senjai> You cant compete with people who actually just like to code
<Senjai> Not even in the same league
<WhoNeedszZz> Oh that's not the case at all
<WhoNeedszZz> I've been programming since I was in high school
<havenwood> I love to code and make money both. :P
<WhoNeedszZz> ^
<Senjai> Yeah, but dont pick rails because of job prospects
<Senjai> theres jobs in any language
<Senjai> pick one you like
<WhoNeedszZz> well sure
<Senjai> and stick with it
<havenwood> Though I think it's the having money I like more than the making it.
<WhoNeedszZz> I'm definitely a proponent of doing what you enjoy
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<WhoNeedszZz> But in these days it is tough
<WhoNeedszZz> So you have to consider both sides
<Senjai> No it isnt
<havenwood> Not that I do have any, waa waaah. >.>
<Senjai> I dont have a CS major, or a degree and I got picked up within 6 months of contributing to some Open source project I enjoyed working on
<WhoNeedszZz> ok tell that to the unemployed people
<Senjai> Find a open source project you like
<Senjai> and contribute to it
<WhoNeedszZz> having a brain fart. How do you update gems when you update your ruby version?
<Senjai> People who use that project will notice
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<WhoNeedszZz> I will be doing a GE internship in MAy
<Senjai> WhoNeedszZz: You dont. gems are tied and stored depending on what ruby your using
<Senjai> WhoNeedszZz: I would highhhlllyyyyy recommend not seeking out a large company
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: nice
<WhoNeedszZz> Yeah i'm more of a startup person myself, but hey
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<WhoNeedszZz> How do i get sinatra to work with 2.2.1?
<Senjai> You only learn one thing when working at a big company
<Senjai> small teams means you have to wear more hats
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: it just works
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<Senjai> Also big companies are grossly inefficient in my experience
<WhoNeedszZz> yeah i agree, but there are ups and downs to both
<WhoNeedszZz> often small companies don't provide as good of benefits
<Senjai> le sigh
<Senjai> compensation means like nothing when you're starting out
<Senjai> Find people who are worth learning from
<Senjai> thats all that matters
<Senjai> GE is not worth learning from
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: Typically you `gem install bundler`, add Sinatra to your Gemfile and `bundle`. Then you can run your Sinatra commands in the context of that bundle by prefixing `bundle exec` to the command.
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: Or you can simply `gem install sinatra` like it shows here: http://www.sinatrarb.com/intro.html
<havenwood> To quickly check it out and experiment.
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<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: Check out these Hello Worlds with various Rack adapters including Sinatra, Roda, Rails and others: https://github.com/luislavena/bench-micro/tree/master/apps
<WhoNeedszZz> Senjai, I appreciate your input, but I know several people who work for GE and similar companies who enjoy it
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: They're "rackup" files with the .ru extension. You can run any one of them by putting it in a dir, installing the gem and running `rackup`.
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<havenwood> Senjai: I don't have anything in the way of a CS degree either.
<WhoNeedszZz> havenwood, ah cool. Is that some kind of devops thing?
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: It's a Rack thing.
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<Senjai> havenwood: *high five*
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: It doesn't ship with Ruby but all these frameworks depend on Rack. When you install any of them it installs Rack, which provides the `rackup` executable.
<WhoNeedszZz> i'm still debating whether i want to go dev or sysadmin route
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<Senjai> sysadmins are becoming obsolete
<Senjai> because chef recipes can replace them
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: Then many also have sugar on top for running apps through a framework-specific executable.
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<Senjai> unless you want to work in a datacenter
<Senjai> but thats more of a technician role
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<Senjai> There's devops, but thats different than sysadmin'ing
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<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: You can see that a pure Rack Hello World is a bit verbose: https://github.com/luislavena/bench-micro/blob/master/apps/rack.ru
<Senjai> havenwood: I still havent made a pure rack app :/
<Senjai> I've rewritten some middleware, but thats it
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<WhoNeedszZz> so use ruby-build with chruby?
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: ruby-install instead
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<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: If you just want one Ruby you can just install it to /usr/local and not even use a switcher, e.g.: ruby-install --system ruby 2.2.1
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<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: Or chruby will autodetect an install like: ruby-install ruby 2.2.1
<WhoNeedszZz> the hell
<WhoNeedszZz> installing ruby-install is compiling 2.2.0
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<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: You can specify the version `ruby-install ruby 2.2.1` or update definitions and re-install from the ruby-install dir: make update && sudo make install
<WhoNeedszZz> i just cloned the ruby-install get and ran setup.sh
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: Yeah, that installs latest known stable, which is 2.2.0 at present.
<WhoNeedszZz> git*
<WhoNeedszZz> did 2.2.1 just drop?
<havenwood> ya
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<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: Okay, just pushed definitions for 2.2.1 to ruby-install. ;)
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: So now it knows about it without explicitly saying 2.2.1.
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<WhoNeedszZz> havenwood, thanks
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<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: When postmodern implements --update it'll be smoother process to sync new definitions from ruby-versions (where the metadata is updated): https://github.com/postmodern/ruby-versions#ruby-versions
<havenwood> *soon*
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<KamilPl> Hi everybody :)
<havenwood> hi
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<KamilPl> Can i resolve my small problem in this irc ? :)
<havenwood> KamilPl: Depends on the problem. No need to ask to ask, just ask! :)
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<KamilPl> I create a rails query to database, but when i look what rails query create I don't know why it not take into considerate :(
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<havenwood> KamilPl: The best place for Rails questions is the #RubyOnRails channel. They require that you register your nick if you haven't already: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
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<KamilPl> eh... my internet.. :/
<KamilPl> my question is come into this irc ? :)
<jhass> KamilPl: say /join #RubyOnRails
<KamilPl> Thanks jhass :)
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<WhoNeedszZz> havenwood, having trouble with pacman. Vim requires the ruby package
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<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: It doesn't harm anything to install the pacman Ruby package.
<WhoNeedszZz> oh
<WhoNeedszZz> that won't conflict?
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<jhass> WhoNeedszZz: or archlinux? do you need very specific ruby versions or can I recommend you my setup? :P
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: chruby can switch between whatever Rubies you'd like to use, whether you compile yourself, use a tool to build, precompiled binary or package manager.
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: Use jhass' setup!
<WhoNeedszZz> jhass, sure
<jhass> WhoNeedszZz: which is install chruby, pacman -S ruby, aurhelper -S ruby2.1 ruby2.0
<jhass> RUBIES=(/opt/ruby* $HOME/.rubies/*) into your .$SHELLrc
<jhass> and mkdir -p ~/.rubies/2.2/bin; ln -s /usr/bin/ruby ~/.rubies/2.2/bin/ruby
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<jhass> and finally echo "gem: --no-user-install --env-shebang" > ~/.gemrc
<jhass> I should make that a gist ^.^
<WhoNeedszZz> That would be helpful for sure
<WhoNeedszZz> what's the purpose of installing ruby2.1 and ruby2.0?
<jhass> well, if you only want to work with the latest ruby ever
<jhass> then skip all that
<jhass> skip chruby, rvm, everything
<jhass> pacman -S ruby and be done with it
<WhoNeedszZz> i mean what's the purpose of installing via AUR as opposed to ruby-install?
<jhass> ^ is for different ruby versions at different projects
<WhoNeedszZz> doesn't that defeat the purpose?
<jhass> why would it?
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: Arch, unlike some other distros, has very nice and up-to-date Ruby packages.
<jhass> having files tracked in your package manager is nice, isn't it?
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<WhoNeedszZz> Doesn't chruby accomplish "mkdir -p ~/.rubies/2.2/bin; ln -s /usr/bin/ruby ~/.rubies/2.2/bin/ruby"
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<jhass> no
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<postmodern> WhoNeedszZz, it manipulates PATH, GEM_HOME and GEM_PATH
<pipework> All about dat env, bout dat env, no symlinks
<WhoNeedszZz> lol
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<WhoNeedszZz> shouldn't the ln be the other way around
<pipework> Nope.
<WhoNeedszZz> well i'm confused then
<WhoNeedszZz> /usr/bin/ruby is the latest
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<WhoNeedszZz> oh i see
<havenwood> pipework: haha
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<pipework> havenwood: Gonna be at ruby on ales
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<havenwood> pipework: You're going? Ahh, I really wanted to! I haven't been back to Oregon in too long.
<pipework> havenwood: Yeah, I'll be there. Have you been to an onales?
<havenwood> Maybe I'll be able to make it next year. That's tomorrow right?
<pipework> havenwood: Yeah, tomorrow.
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<havenwood> pipework: No, i've never been but have read it's a great environment. Have you been before?
<pipework> havenwood: Yeah, last year. It was super fun.
<havenwood> pipework: Enjoy the Ruby and the ales!
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<pipework> havenwood: I'll be drinking for two! (That is, you and I)
<havenwood> hehe, cheers!
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<WhoNeedszZz> jhass, ok did what you said. chruby isn't showing 2.0 or 2.1
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: restart your term
<WhoNeedszZz> ah right derp
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<WhoNeedszZz> all good now thanks
<WhoNeedszZz> havenwood, install roda from gem?
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: aye, gem install roda
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: Here's a talk on it from RubyConf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8zglFFFRMM
<WhoNeedszZz> havenwood, so don't use bundler
<WhoNeedszZz> ?*
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: For a real project I'd use Bundler. For code spikes you can or not.
<WhoNeedszZz> fair enough
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<WhoNeedszZz> ok so for http://bundler.io/sinatra.html for the run line is that something that is defined or is it just a placeholder?
<havenwood> WhoNeedszZz: I personally avoid Bundler.require in favor of explicitly requiring.
<jhass> WhoNeedszZz: fyi, just quickly wrote it up w/ some additional hints https://gist.github.com/jhass/8839655bb038e829fba1
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<WhoNeedszZz> jhass, so you are the AUR packages maintainer?
<jhass> yeah
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<WhoNeedszZz> ah cool
<WhoNeedszZz> now that i think about it your handle is familiar
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<WhoNeedszZz> ok well thanks for the help guys. Need to run. I'll be back on some other time
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<Dala> Hi folks
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<Dala> My first time here, I am looking to get opinions piece of code I come across often. On what the ideal way would be.
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<Dala> Anyone interested in helping me out?
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<darix> Dala: ask specific questions, link your code and people might help you if they have an answer. meta questions like yours usually get ignored
<Dala> Thank You
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<Dala> When I have a method that takes multiple parameters, I find myself having to write if statements to check which params are not null. For example: http://pastebin.com/T3ff60Ex, Balance.where is just a random example i am using, but say I need to make another method call using the params, but I cannot include it if its null.
<Dala> What better way would there be to write this, so I do not have to write an if/elsif for every param in the method.
<Dala> Another example is: http://pastebin.com/0UxkyYnH
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<jhass> Dala: there's no way around the if, but you can DRY up by extracting the hash argument: options = {passed_in_any_case: value}; options[:passed_maybe] = value if pass_maybe?; call(options)
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