#ruby-lang on 2015-02-09 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2014-12-25 12:17 apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.2.0; 2.1.5; 2.0.0-p598; 1.9.3-p551: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com

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04:01 <guest000014> Good day! What portable simple interpreter for ruby could you recommend for windows? E.g. this distribution is not portable, isn't it? https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/downloads/ Thank you!

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07:01 <ruby-lang515> Hola, newbie question if anybodys got a moment. Attempting to use FileUtils.mkdir_p("Desired_Location", :verbose => true) . Output looks good, shows mkdir -p Desired_Location...but the directory is not created.

07:02 <ruby-lang515> Anybody experienced similar / can spot an idiot error?

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07:06 <RandomSeed> I got nothing and it's driving me crazy :(

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07:31 <[spoiler]> morning

07:32 <strsep> Don't spoiler my Vampire Diaries.

07:32 <apeiros_> [spoiler] should just say "warning"

07:32 <[spoiler]> Rofl

07:32 <[spoiler]> :D

07:32 <[spoiler]> Hello guys

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07:38 <apeiros_> hi [spoiler]

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08:20 * [spoiler] sighs.

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08:25 <maloik> brb

08:25 <maloik> doh

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09:21 <ledestin> any idea how to debug sprockets in Rails console? a JS dir isn’t being recognized as an asset.

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09:22 <apeiros_> ledestin: #rubyonrails

09:22 <yorickpeterse> morning

09:22 <ledestin> apeiros_: know that, but that channel sucks

09:24 <maloik> true story, sadly

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09:43 <ledestin> binding.pry to the rescue!

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11:48 <ljarvis> hmmm, does anyone know if there's something better than errors[:base].include?(I18n.t("devise.failure.invalid")) for checking if the current login failed on the login page?

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11:51 <workmad3> ljarvis: could you not check for 'user_signed_in?'

11:52 <workmad3> ljarvis: or maybe just 'user.errors.empty?'

11:52 <workmad3> (might work with user.errors.present? too, to avoid a negation in 'if !user.errors.empty?'

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12:02 <ljarvis> workmad3: if we're signed in, we dont see this page so it's moot. user.errors might contain other errors

12:03 <ljarvis> that said, I just noticed that devise doesn't even add the message to errors.base, it's a flash alert

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12:11 <workmad3> ljarvis: true... it removes the validation errors to prevent leaking information about which aspect of the sign-in failed

12:12 * apeiros_ also loves how rails does not provide a way to get at the error codes, only the translated error…

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12:13 <yorickpeterse> BUT THAT'S NOT THE RAILS WAY

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12:14 <yorickpeterse> SHUN THE NONBELIEVER

12:14 <yorickpeterse> TO THE PYRE

12:14 <yorickpeterse> But yeah it's pretty annoying

12:14 <apeiros_> welcome on the pyre, yorickpeterse

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12:15 <yorickpeterse> Joke's on you, I'm already in hell

12:15 <apeiros_> haha

12:15 <apeiros_> want to trade places with me?

12:15 <apeiros_> I'm looking forward to debug a threading bug in rails 4.1+' connection pool.

12:16 <apeiros_> which mysteriously we seem to be the only ones experiencing…

12:16 <yorickpeterse> hell no

12:17 <workmad3> apeiros_: ah, so hell would be an improvement...

12:17 <apeiros_> workmad3: precisely my thought.

12:17 <apeiros_> my work motivation is at a new all time low.

12:17 <apeiros_> also damit, anybody seen drbrain?

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12:31 <ljarvis> not in this time zone

12:32 <yorickpeterse> drbrain only exists in certain timezones

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12:33 <workmad3> that's kinda true of most people, assuming you give a timezone a geographic boundary

12:33 <yorickpeterse> Technically one would exist in all timezones

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12:34 <yorickpeterse> Since your existence is not restricted to time

12:34 <yorickpeterse> (shit just turned real)

12:34 * yorickpeterse puts on a labcoat

12:34 <yorickpeterse> Considering I discussed string theory and the multiverse during lunch this topic isn't surprising me

12:34 * ljarvis puts on wizard hat

12:36 <workmad3> yorickpeterse: I guess it depends on whether you're taking 'existence' to mean 'place your matter currently occupies in this thing known as 'the present' ', which generally restricts you to a single geographic location, or if you mean 'all points along your worldline', which would allow for a definition that does indeed cross geographic boundaries within our 3-dimensional manifold :)

12:36 <yorickpeterse> Wasn't there some theory that stated that matter exists everywhere at the same time?

12:36 <workmad3> yorickpeterse: what sort of string theory discussion did you have, btw? :)

12:37 <yorickpeterse> time travel related stuff, e.g. travelling back in time as an observer and how that would affect the future

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12:37 <workmad3> did anyone bring up barbour and timeless physics?

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12:41 <yorickpeterse> Nope

12:42 <yorickpeterse> I did talk about how, IIRC, there's this idea that if you go back in time you basically create a copy of your universe, then move back into this copy

12:42 <yorickpeterse> Thus changes in the past wouldn't affect your original universe

12:42 <yorickpeterse> For otherwise you could rm -rf yourself

12:43 <[spoiler]> Depends on the time-travel model

12:44 <[spoiler]> :D

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12:46 <[spoiler]> Being at work sucks elephant dicks today

12:46 <apeiros_> good. at least I'm not alone in that.

12:47 <yorickpeterse> my day is fine so far

12:47 <yorickpeterse> barely wrote any good, I guess that helps

12:47 <yorickpeterse> Instead I'm scribbling DB designs on paper

12:47 <yorickpeterse> and trying to design stuff that works with this craptastic old REE 1.8 app

12:47 <yorickpeterse> while still making sense for newer stuff

12:48 <yorickpeterse> also still need to think how I'm going to deal with leap seconds

12:49 <yorickpeterse> (e.g. it's pretty nice if you don't get the same reports 2 times once every few years)

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13:00 <[spoiler]> 90 minutes and then I can go eat and sleep. aw'yiss

13:00 <[spoiler]> 89 minutes, actually.

13:01 <[spoiler]> Well I could leave now technically, but that's such a dickhat thing to do

13:01 <dagda1_> I am having trouble incoding a string from ASCII-8BIT to utf-8, I try string.encode('UTF-8') but I get this error Encoding::UndefinedConversionError: "\xE1" from ASCII-8BIT to UTF-8.

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13:02 <[spoiler]> dagda1_: try String#force_encoding

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13:07 <yorickpeterse> lol force_encoding

13:07 <yorickpeterse> that doesn't actually encode it, it just sets the encoding flag

13:07 <[spoiler]> yorickpeterse: I know

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13:07 <[spoiler]> I'm assuming that's what he wants

13:07 <yorickpeterse> dagda1_: force_encoding is an option, but it's best to make sure the input is actually UTF8 compatible

13:08 <apeiros_> force_encoding is one of the worse named methods in ruby

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13:08 <yorickpeterse> lie_about_encoding would've been better

13:08 <dagda1_> yorickpeterse: it is not utf-8 compatible in all cases, I'm improting emails from imap

13:08 <[spoiler]> it just treats the char array as utf-8 string, it doesn't transcode it into utf-8

13:08 <yorickpeterse> dagda1_: then you need to sanitize it

13:08 <yorickpeterse> e.g.

13:09 <yorickpeterse> >> "\xE1".encode('UTF8') # so this will fail

13:09 <eval-in__> yorickpeterse => code converter not found (UTF-8 to UTF8) (Encoding::ConverterNotFoundError) ... (https://eval.in/281599)

13:09 <apeiros_> email has content encoding meta information

13:09 <yorickpeterse> errr

13:09 <yorickpeterse> >> "\xE1".encode('ASCII').encode('UTF8') # so this will fail

13:09 <eval-in__> yorickpeterse => incomplete "\xE1" on UTF-8 (Encoding::InvalidByteSequenceError) ... (https://eval.in/281600)

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13:09 <yorickpeterse> >> "\xE1".encode('ASCII').encode('UTF8', :invalid => :replace) # so this will fail

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13:09 <eval-in__> yorickpeterse => incomplete "\xE1" on UTF-8 (Encoding::InvalidByteSequenceError) ... (https://eval.in/281601)

13:09 <yorickpeterse> err wtf

13:09 <yorickpeterse> wasn't that supposed to work

13:09 <[spoiler]> it's UTF-8

13:09 <yorickpeterse> oh, heh

13:09 <[spoiler]> oh nvm

13:09 <apeiros_> ascii is 7 bit

13:09 <dagda1_> yorickpeterse: it is coming in as ASCII-8BIT

13:09 <yorickpeterse> Ah, binary

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13:10 <apeiros_> ascii != ascii-8bit

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13:10 <dagda1_> apeiros_: I tried this string.force_encoding('ISO-8859-1').encode('UTF-8') but the acutes and accents where not encoded correctly

13:10 <apeiros_> ascii-8bit is "ascii plus all bytes with the highest bit set"

13:10 <yorickpeterse> what the fuck Ruby, I can't encode "\x81" as BINARY?

13:10 <apeiros_> dagda1_: don't "try". read the what encoding is used from the mail.

13:11 <[spoiler]> What's is ascii-8bit exactly? Just uint8_ts?

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13:11 <apeiros_> yorickpeterse: no, because "\xe1" does not exist in utf-8

13:11 <yorickpeterse> hmpf

13:11 <apeiros_> [spoiler]: ascii-8bit == binary

13:11 <dagda1_> apeiros_: I honeslty do not know what to do. I thought I should be storing it as UTF-8. It is going into a postgres db set to UTF-8

13:11 <yorickpeterse> [spoiler]: 8bit == binary == basically no encoding

13:11 <apeiros_> dagda1_: each email could have a different encoding

13:11 <[spoiler]> so uint8, then

13:11 <apeiros_> dagda1_: so no, you can't

13:11 <dagda1_> apeiros_: it does

13:11 <yorickpeterse> dagda1_: welcome to encoding hell

13:12 <[spoiler]> Lmao

13:12 <dagda1_> yorickpeterse: abandon hope al ye who enter here

13:12 <apeiros_> you have to read it in binary mode, detect the encoding, then use .encode to translate

13:12 <yorickpeterse> dagda1_: probably you have no other option than force_encoding('UTF-8').scrub or something like that

13:12 <yorickpeterse> (given you don't know the original encoding)

13:12 <[spoiler]> If you want to treat the 8bit stream as UTF8, then force_encoding should do the magic

13:12 <dagda1_> yorickpeterse: scrub?

13:12 <[spoiler]> scrub removes invalid shit

13:12 <yorickpeterse> dagda1_: http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.0/String.html#method-i-scrub

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13:13 <apeiros_> the (theoretical) difference between binary and ascii-8bit: binary does not say that codepoint 65 equals "A".

13:13 <apeiros_> ascii does

13:13 <yorickpeterse> https://github.com/rubinius/rubinius/blob/master/spec/ruby/core/string/scrub_spec.rb behaves like this

13:13 <[spoiler]> apeiros_: oh

13:13 <yorickpeterse> apeiros_: ASCII-8BIT == binary on Ruby

13:13 <apeiros_> but in ruby ascii-8bit == binary

13:13 <yorickpeterse> encodings ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

13:13 <[spoiler]> Lmfao

13:13 <apeiros_> and it'll display low bytes as ascii

13:13 <apeiros_> otherwise it'd have to show all characters as escape sequences

13:14 <[spoiler]> MRW dealing with encodings: ´༎ຶ ﹏༎ຶ

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13:14 <apeiros_> encodings are easy.

13:14 <apeiros_> the hard thing is getting participants to properly exchange the encoding.

13:14 * yorickpeterse dusts off a kitchen towel and slaps it at apeiros_

13:14 <apeiros_> and the harder part is participants which fuck up and mix encodings.

13:14 <[spoiler]> LMFAO

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13:15 <yorickpeterse> it would've been a hell of a lot easier if everything was UTF8

13:15 <yorickpeterse> as in, always

13:15 * apeiros_ encodes yorickpeterse in ebcdic

13:15 <yorickpeterse> No KOI8/SHIN-JI whatever nonsense

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13:15 <yorickpeterse> which reminds me of this amazing rspec issue:

13:15 <[spoiler]> YORICK-9000ENC; best encoding for transmitting complaints

13:15 <apeiros_> did you write oga? and dealt with the issues of utf-8 being variable lenght?

13:15 <yorickpeterse> https://github.com/rspec/rspec-support/issues/163

13:16 <yorickpeterse> apeiros_: Oga supports UTF8 just fine for element text and such

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13:16 <maloik> 9000? pffrt, if it ain't over 9000...

13:16 <yorickpeterse> per spec I believe element names can only be ASCII

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13:16 <apeiros_> yorickpeterse: yeah, sure. but I remember you fighting performance because you can't access random chars O(1) in utf-8

13:16 <yorickpeterse> apeiros_: I completely ignore the XML encoding though, it doesn't auto-detect it like Nokogiri

13:16 <yorickpeterse> same goes with <meta charset> in HTML

13:16 <yorickpeterse> oh right

13:16 <yorickpeterse> Yeah that was in Ruby

13:16 <yorickpeterse> I do things in C

13:17 <yorickpeterse> which is 10923810923890123 times more painful

13:17 <yorickpeterse> but faster

13:17 <apeiros_> lol

13:17 <apeiros_> buttfun

13:17 <[spoiler]> More pain more gain, innit.

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13:17 <yorickpeterse> https://github.com/YorickPeterse/oga/blob/master/ext/c/lexer.rl#L78 basically it takes the input encoding, re-uses that upon output

13:17 <yorickpeterse> But this relies on the input string having the right encoding

13:17 <[spoiler]> I actually don't even mind C anymore, ever since I work in it every day basically

13:18 <yorickpeterse> https://github.com/YorickPeterse/oga/blob/master/spec/oga/xml/lexer/multibyte_spec.rb see, I have tests, guaranteed to work

13:18 <yorickpeterse> 100%

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13:18 <[spoiler]> Who was that bloke that said "It works 100% of the time, except when it does not."?

13:18 * [spoiler] googles

13:19 <apeiros_> chances of stuff working are 50/50 - it works or it doesn't.

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13:20 <dagda1_> scrub does not work, the text comes out like this MaÃ®tre Renard, par lâ€™odeur allÃ©chÃ©,\nLui tint Ã peu prÃ¨s ce langage :\nÂ« HÃ©

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13:20 <[spoiler]> dagda1_: it's supposed to be like that, you just don't know it

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13:20 <[spoiler]> What's the binary stream you have and what's the expected output?

13:21 <yorickpeterse> >> "\x81".scrub

13:21 <yorickpeterse> stupid bot

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13:21 <[spoiler]> You killed it

13:21 <dagda1_> this is the output I want Maître Renard, par l’odeur alléché

13:21 <yorickpeterse> >> "\x81".scrub

13:21 <yorickpeterse> eval-in__: DARN YOU

13:21 <[spoiler]> LOL

13:21 <apeiros_> eval-in__ says scrub yourself :o)

13:21 <[spoiler]> dagda1_: what's the input?

13:22 <[spoiler]> ouch

13:22 <[spoiler]> >> puts "hello, I'm lovely"

13:22 <eval-in__> [spoiler] => hello, I'm lovely ... (https://eval.in/281614)

13:22 <[spoiler]> weird, it just dislikes you, yorickpeterse.

13:22 <[spoiler]> >> "\x81".scrub

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13:22 <[spoiler]> ok maybe it doesn't like doing dirtywork

13:22 <yorickpeterse> lol

13:23 <yorickpeterse> https://eval.in/281616 well this works

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13:25 <yorickpeterse> right, next fun bit: daylight savings

13:25 <yorickpeterse> because apparently negative leap seconds have never been used so w/e

13:25 <yorickpeterse> This one is more fun, because it can occur every year

13:25 <[spoiler]> 65 minutes

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13:25 <yorickpeterse> (schedule stuff, time goes back, schedule again, angry customers)

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13:26 <[spoiler]> Unless they scheduled pizza

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13:26 <yorickpeterse> Nah, PDF reports

13:26 <yorickpeterse> not nearly as tasty

13:27 <yorickpeterse> oh wait

13:27 <yorickpeterse> UTC doesn't have daylight savings

13:27 <yorickpeterse> yay

13:27 <yorickpeterse> problem solved

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13:28 <yorickpeterse> <3 UTC

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13:35 <[spoiler]> 55 minutes

13:40 <[spoiler]> 50!

13:40 <[spoiler]> Ok I;ll stop lol

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13:42 <maloik> what are you counting down to?

13:43 <ljarvis> the end of the world

13:43 <maloik> wat?? must've forgot to add that to my calendar

13:43 <maloik> lee, I probably asked before but I forgot the answer... are you doing bath ruby?

13:44 <maloik> some time next month

13:44 <maloik> (or anyone else here?)

13:46 <yorickpeterse> that sounds like you're asking if it's some kind of drug

13:46 <yorickpeterse> like bath salts

13:46 <maloik> oh no, I don't do salts

13:47 <maloik> (:D)

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13:57 <[spoiler]> What's bath ruby

13:57 <maloik> conf in bath

13:57 <[spoiler]> Do you write tuby with barh bubbles

13:57 <[spoiler]> eerm

13:57 <maloik> haha

13:57 <[spoiler]> ruby with bath bubbles

13:58 <[spoiler]> maloik: counting down the time before I can go home (31) :P

13:59 <apeiros_> [spoiler]: evil!

13:59 <apeiros_> 120

13:59 <[spoiler]> No!

13:59 <yorickpeterse> [spoiler]: go do something already

13:59 <yorickpeterse> e.g. harassing people on the issue tracker

13:59 <maloik> bad day huh?

14:00 <apeiros_> maloik: a bad day is when you get mauled by a bear.

14:00 <apeiros_> this day is worse.

14:00 <[spoiler]> Yeah I was on a date until 4 am I'm sleepy, my eyes burn and my head feels like a watermelon

14:00 <maloik> good date then I take it :-)

14:00 <apeiros_> that ugly?

14:00 <apeiros_> or that beautiful?

14:01 <[spoiler]> hahah No i am just not very good with sleep deprivation

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14:01 <[spoiler]> Yeah it was an awesome date :D

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14:08 <maloik> :D

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14:30 <ruby-lang806> hi everyone

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14:33 <[spoiler]> osnap -3

14:33 <[spoiler]> Time to go home! ttyl guys :D

14:33 <[spoiler]> <3

14:33 <maloik> haha :D

14:33 <maloik> good night

14:33 <maloik> :P

14:33 <apeiros_> lol

14:34 <apeiros_> 86 :<

14:34 * apeiros_ starts ripping out the connection pool

14:34 <apeiros_> who needs a pool without threading?

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14:40 <hanjin> how can I find information about tIDENTIFIER or tIVAR?

14:41 <apeiros_> parse.y probably

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14:44 <yorickpeterse> careful now

14:44 <yorickpeterse> don't suggest anybody to cut themselves

14:45 <apeiros_> I'm against cutting. But I'll gladly give you enough rope.

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14:52 <ljarvis> enough rope to cut yourself?

14:53 <DefV> burn

14:53 <DefV> you can burn yourself with rope

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15:01 <apeiros_> I thought it was obvious that i meant stab.

15:01 <maloik> if the rope is actually string, you could cut yourself

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15:05 <karma_> As a sailor I can confirm that rather thick rope can burn quite a bit too

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15:10 <dagda1_> this was the answer to my encoding hell https://gist.github.com/dagda1/9aa652b4e26d2d4b8a20

15:10 <dagda1_> I got it from reading the mail gem source but I have no idea what string.force_encoding("BINARY") or why this works

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15:20 <yorickpeterse> dagda1_: because of what we said above

15:20 <yorickpeterse> force_encoding doesn't actually encode anything

15:20 <yorickpeterse> It merely sets the encoding "label" of the string

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15:23 <yorickpeterse> you can do something like this though:

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15:23 <yorickpeterse> >> "\x81".encode('UTF-8', :invalid => :replace, :undef => :replace)

15:23 <yorickpeterse> ...

15:23 <yorickpeterse> stupid bot hates me

15:24 <DefV> who wouldn't

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15:24 <workmad3> dagda1: or you could run your content through https://github.com/brianmario/charlock_holmes to try and heuristically detect the encoding, then force_encoding to that and re-encode to UTF8

15:25 <workmad3> obviously, that won't work 100% of the time

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15:32 <dagda1> yorickpeterse: that just replaces unknown characters with �

15:32 <yorickpeterse> Correct

15:32 <yorickpeterse> You can control that

15:32 <dagda1> yorickpeterse: I'd have to know every unkown character

15:32 <yorickpeterse> add :replace => '' to remove them IIRC

15:32 <yorickpeterse> euh?

15:33 <yorickpeterse> e.g.

15:33 <yorickpeterse> "\x81".encode('UTF-8', :invalid => :replace, :undef => :replace, :replace => '')

15:33 <yorickpeterse> returns ""

15:33 <yorickpeterse> which is basically what String#scrub does

15:33 <dagda1> scrub did not work

15:33 <yorickpeterse> although scrub requires a valid encoding to begin with

15:34 <dagda1> force_encoding('binary') works if the mail charset is UTF-8

15:34 <dagda1> no replace

15:34 <dagda1> but why does force_encoding('binary') work is my question

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15:36 <yorickpeterse> Because your input is already binary

15:36 <yorickpeterse> Also because it, like I said, doesn't actually do anything

15:36 <yorickpeterse> it tricks Ruby into thinking the encoding is X

15:37 <yorickpeterse> https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/3d775f1c6fe9f558be8c9d4a3f3db8f472fd2bae/string.c#L8127-L8129

15:37 <yorickpeterse> ^ that only associates the new encoding

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15:37 <yorickpeterse> https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/6b6ba319ea4a5afe445bad918a214b7d5691fd7c/transcode.c#L2662 compare that with this beast (the underlying stuff for String#encode)

15:38 <yorickpeterse> force_encoding works if you _know_ the input is UTF8 (compatible) but Ruby thinks otherwise

15:38 <yorickpeterse> In that case you can use it to slap it in the face with a trout and tell Ruby to just deal with it

15:38 <apeiros_> "\x81".encode('UTF-8', :invalid => :replace, :undef => :replace, :replace => '') is effectively .gsub(/[\x80-\xff]/, '') if source is binary.

15:39 <apeiros_> because no byte in \x80-\xff range is mapped to a character. and because it's not mapped to a character, it can't be translated to a unicode character.

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15:41 <apeiros_> arf, /…/n

15:43 <dagda1> apeiros_: but then I lose the accents and accutes that way

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15:44 <apeiros_> that's why I said it.

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15:45 <apeiros_> I don't get why you're still at this - as said, part of an email is its encoding.

15:45 <apeiros_> and I wouldn't wonder if e.g. the Mail gem transparently handled this anyway.

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16:09 <darix> mail gem rocks

16:09 <darix> imho

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16:16 <canton7> pony's nice

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17:16 <darix> canton7: that's just a wrapper around "mail"

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17:19 <canton7> it's true

17:19 <canton7> but it's a nice one

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17:26 <darix> canton7: it isnt like mail itself was so chatty

17:26 <darix> with the block syntax it gave pretty readable code

17:26 * canton7 shrugs

17:26 <canton7> not gonna start a war

17:26 <canton7> nothing wrong with mail

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18:40 <yorickpeterse> meh, last I checked (few years back) it was pretty bloated

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21:17 <yorickpeterse> oh boy

21:17 <yorickpeterse> I sure love ISP DNS issues

21:18 <yorickpeterse> right in the week before I have to decide if I want to migrate over to their new parent company or drop them

21:18 <yorickpeterse> I think I know which option I'll pick

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23:20 <yorickpeterse> ljarvis: you nuked commands support from slop 4 right?

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23:23 <jtoy_> if i open a file through open-uri like open('http://someurl.com'), how can I itterate through each line of it?

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23:28 <weaksauce> jtoy_ have you tried each_line?

23:29 <weaksauce> each works as well.

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23:33 <yorickpeterse> ljarvis: derp, it's in the readme

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23:53 <jtoy_> weaksauce: i did get that to work,i used each_line, thank you

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