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<rwjblue> Not sure if this is a dumb question or not, but is there a reason fiddle wouldn't be available? I am running Ubuntu 12.04 and ruby-1.9.3-p362 (compile by rvm).
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<havenn> rwjblue: You get a LoadError when you?: require 'fiddle'
<rwjblue> havenn: yes
<rwjblue> Really bizzare. Was thinking maybe I needed some ubuntu package or something...
<havenn> rwjblue: Try? sudo apt-get install libffi5 libffi-dev
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<havenn> s/Try?/Might be worth trying:
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<rwjblue> havenn: think I would need to recompile after installing?
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<havenn> rwjblue: I think so to link? Not sure. Looks like on Ubuntu compiled with just libffi-dev fiddle works.
<rwjblue> havenn: OK, will recompile thanks for the help
<havenn> rwjblue: While you're at it, good list of dependencies for Ubuntu to sidestep other potential missing ones! https://github.com/postmodern/chruby/wiki/MRI
<rwjblue> havenn: thanks, will run through that list first (compiling on linode is PAINFUL)
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<rwjblue> havenn: that worked!
<havenn> rwjblue: woot :D
<rwjblue> Also rvm binary installs for the win
<rwjblue> havenn: thanks again
<havenn> rwjblue: No prob, happy hacking!
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<iamjarvo> does anyone have links to articles on ruby's maturity, what companies contribute to ruby and who dictates what features get developed ?
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<drbrain> iamjarvo: nothing comes to mind in terms of articles
<iamjarvo> any info would be much appreciated
<drbrain> iamjarvo: Heroku (and it's parent Salesforce) employ Matz, Koichi and Nobu (and maybe another person) to work on CRuby
<drbrain> Red Hat employs Charles Nutter, Tom Enebo (and others?) to work on JRuby
<drbrain> Engine Yard employs Brian Ford to work on Rubinius
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<drbrain> VMWare employs some people to work on MagLev, Ruby on Gemstone (a Smalltalk DB)
<drbrain> Microsoft used to employ people to work on IronRuby, but this has now stopped
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<drbrain> Apple used to employ Laurent to work on MacRuby, but I'm unsure if anyone is paid to work on it at this time. Laurent works on RubyMotion which is based in part on his work at Apple
<drbrain> Matz decides which features are Ruby
<drbrain> there are many people who are paid part-time to work on ruby libraries or ruby itself, I'm one of them
<drbrain> there are a few people who are paid to work full-time on ruby libraries
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<drbrain> anyone can propose a feature be added to ruby
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<iamjarvo> drbrain i thought the community is starting to have more of an influence on features
<iamjarvo> there was talk about a governance recently right?
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<drbrain> Matz is still Benevolent Dictator for Life
<drbrain> but Matz is easy to convince
<drbrain> many long-time contributors to CRuby feel Matz should remain BFDL, myself included
<drbrain> there have been several times when Matz has said "I'm going to do X" then later says "I can't do X, it is wrong" or someone convinces Matz that X is wrong, even in part
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<iamjarvo> thanks drbrain
<drbrain> err, BDFL
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<drbrain> UziMonkey: why not use strftime?
<UziMonkey> drbrain: it was a programming challenge, I know Ruby already has a method to do this :P
<UziMonkey> see the link at the top
<drbrain> UziMonkey: in that case, no! seems fine
<UziMonkey> non-rubyists think otherwise, but what do they matter?
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<drbrain> UziMonkey: swapping out ; for newline might make them less upset
<drbrain> UziMonkey: you may also be interested in Regexp.union
<UziMonkey> I haven't heard of that, I'll look at it
<drbrain> what you've got on line 14 is slightly more understandable than Regexp.union since you're checking for "*"
<UziMonkey> oh, that'll get rid of the ugly string
<drbrain> err, "%"
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<UziMonkey> REGEXP = Regexp.union instance_methods.map{|m| Regexp.new "%#{m}" }
<UziMonkey> I think that's less readable
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<UziMonkey> oh, they can be strings, so I don't need the regexp.new, that's a bit better
<drbrain> hehe
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<savagecroc> how do you install a gem without rdoc
<savagecroc> i can't seem to get the syntax right
<havenn> savagecroc: --no-rdoc
<havenn> savagecroc: I add to .gemrc: gem: --no-ri --no-rdoc
<UziMonkey> you can also put that in your ~/.gemrc, who looks at docs on the command line these days? :P
<savagecroc> oh nice
<savagecroc> thanks for the tip :)
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<UziMonkey> I used to have to do that because compiling the docs on a netbook took so long
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<zzak> i dont install docs for everygem, but ri is definitely nice to have, especially if its one of your major dependencies
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<whitequark> you can always run yard --server
<whitequark> er, yard server --gems.
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<badeball> UziMonkey: pretty nifty
<badeball> a bit more alternative than other obvious suggestions posted
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<UziMonkey> badeball: yeah, most of them were switch statements of some sort
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<whitequark> whaddayathink? https://gist.github.com/4705506
<UziMonkey> as someone who grew up learning that SQL is something you stuff into a PHP string literal on a single line, this type of SQL is beautiful. I have no idea what that does though :P
<whitequark> UziMonkey: there are raw stats, which are essentially tuples of (kind,resource)
<whitequark> one such tuple is created on each webpage hit
<whitequark> and there are hourly stats, which are tuples of (count,kind,resource) per each hour
<whitequark> this method converts the former into the latter, taking care to compute cumulative counts in a composable way
<UziMonkey> OK, I see what it does now
<UziMonkey> some of the keywords are foreign to me, like WINDOW and COALESCE, but it's pretty clear now what it's all doing
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<savagecroc> i have a rakefile with 100 rake tasks, at the beginning of each rake task is a call to the same function
<savagecroc> is there a way i can simplify that?
<savagecroc> like before :all
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<injekt> put it in another task
<injekt> then
<injekt> task :foo => :other
<injekt> with all your tasks
<whitequark> UziMonkey: postgres keywords
<savagecroc> hmmm
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<savagecroc> that doesn't save much duplication
<UziMonkey> yeah, that's about the same
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<savagecroc> oh well :)
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<chekcmate> morning guys
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<injekt> moin
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<savagecroc> hmm
<savagecroc> [true, true, true].all? {|a| a} << does that look like a good way of checking if everything in the array is true?
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<dominikh> savagecroc: you can use #all? without a block and it'll do that
<savagecroc> oh :/
<savagecroc> so you can :)
<savagecroc> thanks
<banister`sleep> ugh
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<yorickpeterse> Morning
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<yorickpeterse> Sometimes I don't understand /r/ruby: a post about a Nyan Cat rspec formatter gets more upvotes than a mirror system
<yorickpeterse> Maybe I should just include cat pictures in my code
<Paradox> yorickpeterse, the amusing thing is that formatter is like 3 years old
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: reddit and hn mostly upvote bullshit
<Paradox> reddit's been going downhill since 2011
<whitequark> at some point this happens to every such system around (I've watched the same process happen at habr.ru)
<Paradox> check my hostmask ;p
<whitequark> hah
<Paradox> i dont work for them anymore anyway
<Paradox> lol
<Paradox> now i float between jobs
<Paradox> starting to look at summer internships/jobs
<Paradox> i did one at pivotal last year and it was fun
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<Paradox> but i didnt agree with some of their core principles so
<Paradox> always time to grow :)
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: I stopped posting on HackerNews due to the Lisp/Python neckbeards
<Paradox> yorickpeterse, they used to be all over reddit
<Paradox> hell
<Paradox> in r/programming, its a crapshoot
<yorickpeterse> ugh
<yorickpeterse> Tell me about it
<Paradox> if you post when the Haskell or Python sperglords are awake
<Paradox> then you get downvoted
<Paradox> and insulted by 14 year olds
<Paradox> "luls ruby isnt programming language it no have for"
<yorickpeterse> I should repost my stuff with the title "gem-mirror now uses Monads, 2000x performance boost"
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: what's that bad about lisp/python neckbeards? I think I don't quite understand what you imply by the term
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<whitequark> Paradox: this is especially amusing given that ruby has for :D
<Paradox> whitequark, you know how ruby has MINSWAN?
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: the ones that will instantly go like "ZOMG, YOU SHOULD WRITE IT IN LISP BECAUSE <stupid reason>"
<whitequark> Paradox: ruby also has DHH, but yeah
<Paradox> python, lisp, and haskell have GIDSWAD
<Paradox> Guido is a douche so we are douches
<whitequark> is Guido?
<yorickpeterse> Ah well, hopefully people like the mirror stuff. At least it will be useful for $WORK
<Paradox> Guido is a dude who invited python
<Paradox> (aka basically turned C into a scripting language)
<whitequark> I know. He's a horrible language designer but I never found his actions despicable
<Paradox> no, but he has a particularly heavy hand towards dealing with newbies
<Paradox> not as bad as Rasmus Lerdorf
<whitequark> isn't python mainly a programming language for newbies?..
<Paradox> but by ruby standards
<Paradox> he's a flaming ass
<whitequark> as in "we're academics, we don't want to learn programming"
<Paradox> whitequark, yes
<Paradox> but being academics comes with other baggage
<Paradox> mainly
<Paradox> the fact that everything they do comes with a sense of smug self-superiority
<Paradox> so if you dont understand some concept you must be dumber than shit because i mean come on its so simple!
<Paradox> /s
<whitequark> I did notice that pattern sometimes among rubyists as well (including myself).
<Paradox> i really havent
<Paradox> i transferred out of CS to COMM
<Paradox> and couldnt have been happier
<Paradox> i went from neckbeards to pretty girls
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: the pattern is universal
<whitequark> girls are overrated
<Paradox> i disagree
<whitequark> or rather prettiness. but I digress.
<yorickpeterse> I beg to differ but that's a different story
<Paradox> i dont know
<Paradox> i wouldnt want to date a whale
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<Paradox> i'd post an image here but this is a somewhat professional channel
<Paradox> lol
<Paradox> and i got yelled at in #rubyonrails for that a week or so ago
<yorickpeterse> also lol rasmus
<Paradox> programming dochebaggery has a scale
<whitequark> those languages do have simple and powerful concepts which are hard to comprehend if you come from a radically different background
<Paradox> 1 guido is 10 DHHs
<yorickpeterse> <rasmus> I can't write programming languages. Lets write the aids of programming languages!
<Paradox> 1000 guidos, or a kiloguido, is a rasmus
<yorickpeterse> Paradox: oh? I've never met Guido (not yet at least) but never found him to be annoying
<yorickpeterse> Maybe that's because I'm Dutch too and used to the blunt/direct attitude
<Paradox> i've just had bad experience with people who call themselves "python programmers"
<Paradox> as opposed to "programmers who use python"
<whitequark> sigh. yeah let's discuss personalities and namedrop much
* whitequark goes back to work
<Paradox> anyway
<Paradox> we can all agree that haskell is obtuse
<whitequark> I won't
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<whitequark> also, if we're talking about haskell, I don't get all the fuss around monads and thousands of explanations of them
<whitequark> the concept is trivial if you know how purity and lazy evaluation work
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<yorickpeterse> It's a phase
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: a phase?
<yorickpeterse> As in, it's the hot shit these days similar to Node or Rails back in 2006
<yorickpeterse> No doubt it's useful but I fear people are considering it the answer for all problems
<yorickpeterse> and yes, the one Haskell dev I met instantly started talking about Monads (I'm not kidding)
<yorickpeterse> It went something like "Hi, do you use Ruby too?" "Nah I write Haskell. Monads bla bla bla"
<whitequark> I'm not sure how exactly it is useful in real life
<whitequark> as in, I'm not aware of any "killer apps"
<whitequark> and there isn't much benefit per se
<ddfreyne> whitequark: I fin di tmostly interesting because it has some paradigms that can be very useful
<ddfreyne> whitequark: I would also like to be able to mark certain parts of a Ruby DSL to be side-effect free, either purely declarative or purely functional
<ddfreyne> whitequark: It would make internal DSLs much more robust and easier to reason about
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<whitequark> ddfreyne: what you said is important
<whitequark> I find that in all (not almost) cases when a programming language plain out forbids something it is done to assist the compiler/runtime
<whitequark> starting with lexical scope
<whitequark> in some cases, this also makes stuff easier to reason about for people
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<whitequark> but then, a general-purpose PL, by definition, is a tool for solving a very wide range of tasks
<whitequark> making absolutely everything immutable won't work out for one
<whitequark> so. monads are an interesting concept, and they for sure make compilers' life way easier. same for immutability. but to do real work you'd need a multiparadigm language.
<whitequark> ddfreyne: as per internal DSLs, this is just a consequence of Ruby not having embedded DSLs
<whitequark> I like Kotlin for solving this problem
<whitequark> also you might want to check out OMeta
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<ddfreyne> I'm all in favour of multi-paradigm languages
<ddfreyne> I find that Ruby is not restrictive enough in several ways
<ddfreyne> Being so flexible is an advantage for getting started with it, though
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<whitequark> I don't see any links there
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<whitequark> besides, Ruby being not restrictive enough is quite often a sign of a different problem
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<whitequark> i.e. in your example, lack of embedded DSLs.
<ddfreyne> whitequark: Yes
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<ddfreyne> whitequark: IMO, being able to modify classes and methods at runtime is often not necessary... it would be neat to somehow "freeze" all that, but I suppose that would bring a bunch of other problems
<ddfreyne> whitequark: I really want to play around with my own programming language :)
<whitequark> ddfreyne: being able to do that is a prerequisite for having a REPL
<whitequark> which is *very* important for debugging, quick tests, etc.
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<whitequark> the cost of having a heavy and complex optimizing JIT is outweighted by the benefit
<ddfreyne> whitequark: Hmm, not sure... it certainly makes things easier
<ddfreyne> whitequark: Haskell has a REPL :)
<ddfreyne> rue|w: you work for Reaktor?
<whitequark> ddfreyne: oh, "modify"
<rue|w> ddfreyne: Yes, are you spying on me? :)
<ddfreyne> rue|w: hostmask
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<whitequark> ddfreyne: I wonder how Haskell web frameworks handle auto-reloading ("PHP mode")
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<ddfreyne> rue|w: I've talked with Juha and Lauri
<ddfreyne> whitequark: Yeah, that would be very tricky I imagine
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<rue|w> ddfreyne: Ah, cool! Which context was this in?
<ddfreyne> rue|w: nanoc
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<rue|w> Ah, of course :)
<ddfreyne> rue|w: not looking for developers by any chance? ;)
<rue|w> ddfreyne: Actually yes, but I think we still require mad finnish skillz
<rue|w> But I’ll find out :P
<ddfreyne> I only know the world maailman
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<chekcmate> ddfreyne: tell them you listen to In Flames a lot, that'll make things easier!
<chekcmate> Oh wait, that was Sweden...
<chekcmate> Finntroll maybe
<ddfreyne> haha
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<rue|w> chekcmate: Also in Swedish
<rue|w> Finnish, but of the Swedish-speaking minority
<chekcmate> rue|w: oic
<chekcmate> didn't know that
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<chekcmate> rue|w: I was winter-hiking once near Gällivare, but I haven't been to Finnland yet
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<ddfreyne> rue|w: So you have no foreigners working for Reaktor then?
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<chekcmate> though it would have been only about 2 hard days to the border :p
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<yorickpeterse> ddfreyne: really all you need to know to work there: cats like saunas and "bork bork bork"
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<yorickpeterse> hm, apparently I already had rue|w's website in my Chrome cache
<yorickpeterse> I think that's probably because it's called "kittensoft"
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<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: I also know that Finland is trees and lakes
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<yorickpeterse> You should be set!
* whitequark is an array
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<whitequark> sets are soooo last century
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: /nick arrayquark
<andrewvos> whitearray
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<yorickpeterse> That reminds me though, I still need to do a proper visit of Scandinavia sometime
<yorickpeterse> Last time I was there (with the exception of Denmark) was ages ago
<yorickpeterse> Though I've met some Norwegians/Swedes that insisted Denmark isn't an actual country
<dominikh> I've met a Swede who had this plan of turning Denmark into a huge parking lot for Sweden
<kalleth> written some ruby that rubs me up the wrong way
<kalleth> can anyone suggest a nicer/less indent-happy refactor?
<yorickpeterse> dominikh: I think I've heard this story before
<dominikh> yorickpeterse: maybe it's a common theme among swedes :P
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<yorickpeterse> It's not like they need such a big parking lot, there's a total population of about 5 people in all of Scandinavia
<dominikh> haha
<dominikh> I'll never get over the name of Öland
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<manveru> wtf do you need tap for
<andrewvos> manveru: lulz
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<andrewvos> kalleth: That code is okay.
<andrewvos> kalleth: Build a bridge, and get over it.
<manveru> i think it's wrong too
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<manveru> but well, not sure
<kalleth> andrewvos: 'build a bridge' ?
<kalleth> if its OK, it's OK
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<kalleth> just rubbed me up a bit 'i'm s ure this could be done nicer'
<yorickpeterse> something along those lines
<yorickpeterse> The method knows far too much about the internal state of the class it creates
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<kalleth> yorickpeterse: that looks quite nice actually
<manveru> oh, you want to return user too
<kalleth> youyeah
<kalleth> manveru: hence the tap :)
<manveru> :)
<kalleth> yorickpeterse: i like your suggestion about abstracting th e data out from the method
<kalleth> the response stuff
<kalleth> i'm going to take that on board and try and refactor based on that I think
<manveru> unless it's monkeypatching
<yorickpeterse> kalleth: np
<manveru> i'd probably still add a hook to the model that runs populate_details! on create and adds that error
<manveru> but not sure what ORM that is
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<rue|w> ddfreyne: Yup. A few foreign names, but they’re all natives as far as I know
<rue|w> I’m probably the closest thing to a non-Finn ;)
<yorickpeterse> How so?
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<chekcmate> when line =~ /dog/ <= doesn't this give true back when line includes the string "dog"?
<yorickpeterse> yes
<yorickpeterse> when line =~ /^dog$/
<yorickpeterse> that fails for "foo dog bark bark"
<GarethAdams> that depends on what else is on the same line as the `case` above
<yorickpeterse> You can also just do `when line == 'dog'`
<chekcmate> case true
<yorickpeterse> wat
<chekcmate> I think injekt told me that case is enough, because it's already the same as case true
<chekcmate> wasn't it kinda like that?
<banister`sleep> yorickpeterse: https://gist.github.com/4d6be4dd64c61616cc53
<banister`sleep> oh
<banister`sleep> you were asking that
<injekt> chekcmate: =~ returns indexes or nil if no match is found, not true/false
<injekt> as banister`sleep just displayed
<injekt> and yeah, case is the same as case true
<chekcmate> injekt: see, yorickpeterse to me!
<yorickpeterse> ah yes, I thought he meant a truthy value
<chekcmate> *lied
<chekcmate> alright, thanksi ^^
<chekcmate> but case also gets that when line=~
<chekcmate> case true does not
<yorickpeterse> chekcmate: hurrdurr `when !!(line =~ /dog/)`
<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: herpderp is my summoner name, not hurrdurr!
<chekcmate> HerpDerpIsMyName to be precise!
<chekcmate> add me at EUW
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<yorickpeterse> I play on NA
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<chekcmate> why should you?!
<yorickpeterse> Because the people I play with all play on NA
<banister`sleep> yorickpeterse: what is NA
<yorickpeterse> They are capitalist pigs
<chekcmate> north amerine banister`sleep
<chekcmate> *america
<yorickpeterse> banister`sleep: North America, we're talking about the game "League of Legends"
<chekcmate> amerine... wtf
<banister`sleep> oh
<banister`sleep> league of legends is like dota right?
<yorickpeterse> Yeah
<chekcmate> it's a moba game :)
<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: I just feared you were some pro, since the better players I know play on NA too, because of their teams
<ddfreyne> moba?
<chekcmate> mp online battle arena or something like that
<chekcmate> *multiplayer
<chekcmate> also: !!(line =~...) is awesome
<yorickpeterse> chekcmate: nah I'm a baddy
<chekcmate> what ping do you have when playing on NA?
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<gnufied> MOBA is a bad name (like a true DOTAer will tell you)
<yorickpeterse> chekcmate: around 160
<gnufied> it is supposed to be Action RTS
<gnufied> sadly gave up dota2 2 months back
<gnufied> :(
<yorickpeterse> chekcmate: it doesn't go up though, my connection is pretty stable (luckily)
<gnufied> banister`sleep: do or did you plat dota?
<gnufied> play*
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<banister`sleep> gnufied: no, barely know what it is tbh
<gnufied> cool
<banister`sleep> gnufied: have you heard of demigod?
<gnufied> yup. another game in same genre
<banister`sleep> any good?
<gnufied> no idea tbh. just knew about it from friends.
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<gnufied> obviously have played dota/dota2 quite a bit. huge time sink though (as games are)
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<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: oh well, 160 is near the border where i'd say it gets difficult to play skill-shot champions heh
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<yorickpeterse> I usually play with people with similar pings so it hasn't been an issue yet
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<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: so you play with other people from the EU on a server @NA? Now it makes sense!
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<judofyr> hey folks
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<chekcmate> hi judofyr :)
<judofyr> hey 'mate
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<judofyr> chekcmate: what's up?
<chekcmate> judofyr: not too much, someone just ordered chinese food and now the whole floor stinks like a restaurant
<judofyr> chekcmate: where are you? library? school?
<chekcmate> at work
<judofyr> ah
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<chekcmate> only have 4x3,5 weeks school/year :)
<chekcmate> it's very practically orientated
<chekcmate> judofyr: how bout you? slept well? heh
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<judofyr> oh yeah. slept quite well
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<chekcmate> good to hear!
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<judofyr> I was in Korketrekkern this weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUJWpQj1InI#t=2m00s
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<judofyr> really fun, but man, my body is completely broken
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<ddfreyne> judofyr: I'M JELLY
<judofyr> ddfreyne: you should come to Norway :D
<ddfreyne> judofyr: Any interesting jobs in Norway that would fit my profile? ;)
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<yorickpeterse> Come to glorious country of Netherlands, enjoy Dutch people driving like lunatics on zeh highway
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: I am doing a job intrvie win Amsterdam tomorrow
<ddfreyne> My typin gsucks!
<yorickpeterse> oh? Don't tell me it's Booking
<ddfreyne> It's not Booking
<ddfreyne> Why? :)
<judofyr> Booking? isn't that mostly Perl?
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<yorickpeterse> Yes, but they hire pretty much everything that moves
<yorickpeterse> Anyway, I had an article about why, hold on
<yorickpeterse> ddfreyne: also with who if I may ask?
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: I'll tell you afterwards
<yorickpeterse> ddfreyne: heh, fat chance I know the people if it's a Ruby shop
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<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: Ok fine, TTY :)
<yorickpeterse> Ah those, yeah they're a pretty big club here in Amsterdam
<yorickpeterse> I believe joshk used to work for them
<ddfreyne> He did
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<yorickpeterse> Hm, don't think we're hiring devs atm
<yorickpeterse> Mostly because we quite literally don't have any space left
<yorickpeterse> However, if you need something holler and I'll see what I can do
<injekt> gsucks, the new product from google
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: I would be interested, actually (I'm lookin gfor Ruby opportunities everywhere)
<yorickpeterse> ddfreyne: kk, gimme a sec
<yorickpeterse> ddfreyne: what on average would you'd like to earn per month?
<yorickpeterse> "One million dorrar" is not a valid answer
<yorickpeterse> wait, probably better to do this via PRIVMSG
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<injekt> ddfreyne: say two million dorrar
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<lianj> that must be the slowest img server ever
<injekt> ya
<yorickpeterse> Ah, so it's not just the internet here
<injekt> that's so bad
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<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: One million dorrar would b enice
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<zzak> good morning!
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<injekt> herro!
<chekcmate> hola!
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<dbussink> ddfreyne: we want people, in nl, but close to germany :P
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<cout> zzak: gen dobre
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<chekcmate> dbussink: I get your drift... tehe
<dbussink> chekcmate: yeah, it's not amsterdam
<chekcmate> ddfreyne: *
<chekcmate> AH
<chekcmate> dbussink: did they actually enforce that new law in all of NL now?
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<dbussink> chekcmate: which one is that?
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<chekcmate> dbussink: the one which only allows nl-peeps access to coffee shops
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<dbussink> chekcmate: afaik it's illegal for tourists to buy it, but for example the amsterdam police doesn't enforce it
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<chekcmate> dbussink: oh, I thought it was enforeced nationwide with the start of 2013
<dbussink> chekcmate: it's illegal but not enforced basically
<chekcmate> that's why you gotta love em
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<chekcmate> hehh... we're finally updating to 1.9
<judofyr> \o/
<injekt> /o\
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<rue_XIW> _o_
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<zzak> -o-
<chekcmate> hmm.. is it worth going to the barber while make install?
<zzak> ToT
<lianj> _o/~
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<chekcmate> oops done
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<zzak> was rbconfig removed?
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<chekcmate> aaaaaahh jesus
<chekcmate> my script changed all permissions >_>
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<zzak> nvm, it was renamed from Config
<naquad> is there some method able to pad array with nils up to given length
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<judofyr> naquad: arr[5] = nil
<naquad> judofyr, [1,2,3].???(5) => [1,2,3,nil,nil]
<judofyr> naquad: a = [1, 2, 3]; a[4] = nil; a => [1,2,3,4,5]
<judofyr> err
<judofyr> naquad: a = [1, 2, 3]; a[4] = nil; a => [1,2,3,nil,nil]
<naquad> ...
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<naquad> judofyr, what you're suggesting is manually adding elements, thats definitely not what i want
<naquad> [1,2,3].???(5) => [1,2,3,nil,nil]
<judofyr> naquad: no. I'm talking about adding the *last* element, and then it will be padded with nils up until that point
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<judofyr> naquad: a = []; a[100] = nil; a
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<yorickpeterse> naquad: Array.new(nil, 3) # => [nil, nil, nil]
<yorickpeterse> then just fill in the values you have
<naquad> ahh
<naquad> now i see
<naquad> thanks
<chekcmate> array.new ._.
<chekcmate> someone told me to avoid this
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<injekt> sometimes you cant
<yorickpeterse> What's wrong with it?
<judofyr> yorickpeterse: or even better: Array.new(10) { |i| a[i] }
<chekcmate> injekt: but you have to know when the time is you can not
<yorickpeterse> judofyr: how is that better?
<judofyr> yorickpeterse: shorter
<yorickpeterse> ...
<judofyr> :)
<injekt> chekcmate: when you need Array.new(..) or with a block
<chekcmate> :D
<chekcmate> injekt: or?
<injekt> ?
<injekt> that's it, otherwise use []
<injekt> [] will always use Array::[], however the Array constant could be altered within a library
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<chekcmate> injekt: you need Array.new when you need Array.new <= that is what I understood from the first part :D
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<injekt> chekcmate: eh you need Array.new when you're passing arguments or a block to it
<judofyr> chekcmate: the point is to use [] over Array.new and {} over Hash.new
<injekt> that's why I did (...) or a block
<judofyr> chekcmate: but Hash.new(0) can only be accomplished by using Hash.new
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<chekcmate> Ah, ok... then I did not interprete your (...) as you wished
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<zzak> [1,2,3] + [nil] * 2
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<judofyr> zzak: but if you want to pad up until xth element you need to do: [nil] * (10-a.size) and also check if it's negative
<zzak> yah
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<zzak> you dont need to check if it's negative
<judofyr> zzak: hm? a = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]; a + [nil] * (2-a.size)
<zzak> it will raise an ArgumentError
<judofyr> yes
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<zzak> def pad(ary, size); return if size <= ary.size; ary + [nil] * (size - ary.size); end
<zzak> pad([1,2,3], 5) #=> [1,2,3,nil,nil]
<zzak> pad([1,2,3], 2) #=> nil haha
<zzak> should just return ary
<zzak> def pad(ary, size); return ary if size <= ary.size; ary + [nil] * (size - ary.size); end
<zzak> there
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<zzak> judofyr: btw, one of the organizers at burlington ruby turned out to be a big fan of camping (and also shoes)
<zzak> he's using camping in a bunch of places and wants to contribute
<judofyr> zzak: nice!
<lianj> no camping still alive?
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<judofyr> zzak: def pad!(ary, size); ary[size-1]||=nil; end
<judofyr> lianj: well, not very alive
<judofyr> lianj: I ought to do some merges/releases soon
<zzak> :D
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<crankharder> is there anything like Struct.new(:foo) but requires the args in the initializer?
<crankharder> you know, without going to all the effort of doing it myself :)
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<gnufied> OpenStruct?
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<injekt> crankharder: class Foo < Struct.new(:foo, :bar); def initialize(foo, bar); super; end; end
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<injekt> knu: ping
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<zzak> committed new stdlib doc, should land in r39047
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<injekt> zzak: that's awesome
<injekt> nice work
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<zzak> :D
<vbatts|work> zzak: sorry the weekend got away.
<vbatts|work> zzak: i'll look to see about the difference in that PP doc
<zzak> vbatts|work: np, whenever you get to it. i assigned it to you
<vbatts|work> kk
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<injekt> yeah
<injekt> sexy
<zzak> ok back to work! <3
<epitron> that table has a lot of padding
<epitron> i think i like the text version better :)
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<freedrull> ruby doesn't have list operations like head,tail,etc? it has take_while though....
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<karamorf> anyone want to help me out with getting jira-ruby to work? I can't seem to figure out how to use oauth ... http://pastebin.com/7QdGtJSX
<ryanv-raptor> There's enumerable#first
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<ryanv-raptor> but if you're trying to do something erlang-like (Head|Tail) I'm not so sure
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<UziMonkey> if head and tail just return the first and last n elements, you can do a.first(n) and a.last(n)
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<havenn> freedrull: head, *tail = 1, 2, 3, 4; tail #=> [2, 3, 4]
<havenn> head #=> 1
<havenn> Kinda similar to Elixir's: [head | tail] = [1,2,3,4]; tail #=> [2,3,4]; head #=> 1
<UziMonkey> hmm.. head,*tail = *some_array should work, I didn't think of that
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<epitron> havenn: that doesn't sound very efficient tho
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<epitron> i think pop is the most efficient operator in ruby
<epitron> shift is probably the least efficient :)
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<freedrull> UziMonkey: yeah saw that on avdi's blog....
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