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zenspider: ping
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socialcoder >
can someone look at my code?
06:03
<
socialcoder >
There are 2 codes for the same problem
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socialcoder >
the first one is what Chris Pine suggested
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socialcoder >
the second is mine
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socialcoder >
I did mine before I looked at his solution
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socialcoder >
and I felt I had done something wrong
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socialcoder >
even though I got the same result
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socialcoder >
Can one of you please look into it and advice
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mistym >
socialcoder: I think your use of string interpolation is nicer, actually! You're doing essentially the same thing; the syntax is the only major difference.
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whitequark >
socialcoder yours is way better
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socialcoder >
phew!
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socialcoder >
actually I got worried because I noticed my code was smaller
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socialcoder >
so I thgt I missed something important
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socialcoder >
thanks mistym and whitequark
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whitequark >
there are several ways to write something in ruby
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whitequark >
the smaller is the better,
*as long as it does not compromise clarity*
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socialcoder >
does that mean result is all that matters?
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socialcoder >
ah ok
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socialcoder >
got it
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drbrain >
socialcoder: I think Chris Pine's book introduced string interpolation later
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socialcoder >
yea, he hasn't reached there yet
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socialcoder >
but I studied string interpolation elsewhere
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socialcoder >
so I usedit
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mistym >
String interpolation is nearly always prettier than +ing strings together.
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socialcoder >
is it just prettieror any other reason also?
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socialcoder >
oops prettier*
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whitequark >
it is syntactic sugar
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drbrain >
it creates fewer garbage strings
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whitequark >
the reason it exists is prettiness
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whitequark >
drbrain: that is an implementation detail
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drbrain >
whitequark: yeah, but all the implementations do it
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whitequark >
drbrain:
*shrug* mine decomposes it to String#+
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drbrain >
whitequark: ah
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whitequark >
(but then again I use ropes for strings, so...)
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socialcoder >
ropes??
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whitequark >
drbrain: the reason I said that is that efficiency is hardly the most important factor in the decision of using interpolations or not
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socialcoder >
apart from first couple sentences, it looks like rocket science to me
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drbrain >
whitequark: agreed
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whitequark >
socialcoder: basically if you #+ two strings, you can either copy all the bytes (slow) or just record the fact that your string is an union (fast)
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whitequark >
a rope is a way to represent that fact
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socialcoder >
I see
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whitequark >
kinda like StringBuilder in Java, but better
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socialcoder >
i think I need to take a primer in CS somewhere online
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drbrain >
socialcoder: I got a CS degree but they didn't cover ropes
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drbrain >
CS is a big topic
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whitequark >
socialcoder: english wikipedia is a good start
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whitequark >
then, google all the stuff.
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socialcoder >
yea, will do that
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socialcoder >
but wikiedia sometimes feels heavy on my brains
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socialcoder >
very technical explanation
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drbrain >
in ruby, worrying about data structures seems less important
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socialcoder >
drbrain: why do you say that
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socialcoder >
because it is a high level language?
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socialcoder >
and the other part/s?
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whitequark >
drbrain: ... quite unfortunately
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drbrain >
in most implementations its often more difficult to find (and probably implement) the best-fit data structure when you can repurpose an Array or Hash to inefficiently perform the same task
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whitequark >
drbrain: you can use std::map and std::vector and dynamic_cast all day long in C++, with much the same results
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whitequark >
but that's not the point
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whitequark >
when (not if) you need more advanced data structures in ruby (like, I dunno, a sparse array), you're screwed up
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whitequark >
this is the part I don't like.
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drbrain >
whitequark: yeah
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socialcoder >
wowow, flying over my head
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drbrain >
also, in C and C++ if you need to use, say, a rope it's also easy to find a library that implements it for you
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whitequark >
drbrain: (actually I think that dynamic_cast is way slower than the same thing in MRI, which is quite hilarious)
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drbrain >
in ruby, not so much
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whitequark >
well, there are gems with more specific data structures
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whitequark >
but most of them are tied to C API
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whitequark >
then again you can import Java stuff from JRuby, and it's among the best stuff you can find
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whitequark >
but there's a lot of unfortunate complexity.
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drbrain >
yeah, JRuby is pretty sweet in that regard
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whitequark >
so much agreement :D
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socialcoder >
what exactly is jruby
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socialcoder >
visited their website, but cudnt make out much
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whitequark >
socialcoder: an implementation of ruby on jvm
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whitequark >
it's fast, it has real threads, and tons of other sweet stuff
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socialcoder >
does that mean u write something in ruby and port it to java platform
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whitequark >
you can use it right now, probably without changing your code
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socialcoder >
thats nice
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socialcoder >
but does that mean u can write apps for java?
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socialcoder >
java apps in ruby
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socialcoder >
sorry if I am not making sense
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drbrain >
roughly, yes
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socialcoder >
as an extension, does it mean u can write games?
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socialcoder >
i mean build games
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socialcoder >
now, thats awesome
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socialcoder >
can a while statemrnt go inside a if statement?
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socialcoder >
and vice versa?
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socialcoder >
thx again
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johnnyfive >
how many whiles can fit inside an if? and if it can, what happens while it does?
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socialcoder >
very puzzling question
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socialcoder >
what does next stand for
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socialcoder >
I mean what is next
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socialcoder >
what is this saying next if year%4 != 0
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socialcoder >
-> next if year%4 != 0
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socialcoder >
(starting..ending).each do |year| next if year%4 != 0 next if year%100 == 0 && year%400 != 0 puts year end actually what is thi saying
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socialcoder >
I know 2 things...the range class and the each method
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socialcoder >
I am confused after this next if year%4 != 0 next if year%100 == 0 && year%400 != 0 puts year end
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socialcoder >
not very good at maths, so this has got me scratching my head
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apeiros_ >
socialcoder: you know the rule of leap years?
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socialcoder >
unless u mean once every 4 years
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<
apeiros_ >
that's the incomplete one
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<
socialcoder >
whats the complete rule
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<
apeiros_ >
every 4 years, except every 100 years, but still every 400 years
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socialcoder >
err...
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<
apeiros_ >
i.e., 1900 is not a leap year, 2000 is
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<
socialcoder >
sounds like a mess
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<
socialcoder >
why is that
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<
apeiros_ >
because julian calendar was off by ~2 weeks when we changed to gregorian
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<
socialcoder >
so 1700, 1800 and 1900 are not leap years, but 2000 is and so is 1600
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socialcoder >
ok, go on
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apeiros_ >
you know wikipedia?
11:49
<
socialcoder >
when I said go on, I didnt mean explain more about leap years :)
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<
socialcoder >
I meant can u explain the last 2 lines of the code
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socialcoder >
next if year%4 != 0 next if year%100 == 0 && year%400 != 0
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<
socialcoder >
I want to know what it means or is saying
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<
apeiros_ >
it says "next if not leap year"
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<
socialcoder >
can u pls tell the whole thing
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apeiros_ >
what do you have trouble with?
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apeiros_ >
year % 100 is modulo, see Integer#%
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socialcoder >
trouble understand this part year%4 != 0and again year%100 == 0 && year%400 != 0
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socialcoder >
modulo is remainder right?
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apeiros_ >
it tests whether the number is divisible by 4, 100 and 400
11:52
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apeiros_ >
yes, modulo gets you the remainder
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socialcoder >
but I dont understand what is it saying here
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<
socialcoder >
wheteher what number is divible? the user input? the starting and ending?
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apeiros_ >
year % 4 - if the remainder of that is zero, the year is divisible by 4
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<
apeiros_ >
thus a leap-year candidate
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<
socialcoder >
well 100 /4 is also 0 right?
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<
socialcoder >
and so with 400
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socialcoder >
0 remains
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apeiros_ >
socialcoder: yes
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socialcoder >
so all three are true then?
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apeiros_ >
that's why you need additional tests
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apeiros_ >
socialcoder: no. maybe you try in irb with different years
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socialcoder >
seriously, something isnt clicking inside me
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apeiros_ >
a year is a leap year if it is: divisible by 4 AND (either also by 400, OR not by 100) - do you understand that statement?
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socialcoder >
why not by 100?
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apeiros_ >
because years which are divisible by 100 are not leap years
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apeiros_ >
except years which are also divisible by 400
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socialcoder >
1600 is divisble by 100 as well as 400 no?
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apeiros_ >
yes, hence not a leap year
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socialcoder >
I see
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<
apeiros_ >
look at it this way
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apeiros_ >
basic rule: years divisible by 4 are leap years
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apeiros_ >
exception to rule: years divisible by 100 are not leap years (all years divisible by 100 would be leap years if only the basic rule counted)
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socialcoder >
thats where I am not getting it
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<
socialcoder >
1900 is divisible by 4 as well as 100 no?
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apeiros_ >
exception to the exception: years divisible by 400 remain leap years (all years divisible by 400 would not be leap years if only basic rule + exception counted)
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apeiros_ >
yes, 1900 is not a leap year
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yxhuvud >
2000 was though.
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socialcoder >
wait a minute
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socialcoder >
if a year is both divisible by 4 as well as 100, then it is not leap year?
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<
socialcoder >
then how come 2000 is leap year
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<
socialcoder >
2000 is also divisible by 4 and 100
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apeiros_ >
because of the exception of the exception
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<
apeiros_ >
2000 is also divisible by 400
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<
socialcoder >
freaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
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<
apeiros_ >
thus remains a leap year
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<
socialcoder >
ok, what about 1904
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<
apeiros_ >
leap year
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<
socialcoder >
what makes it leap year
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<
socialcoder >
its only divisble by 4
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<
socialcoder >
not 100, not 400
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apeiros_ >
doesn't matter
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socialcoder >
so either a year is divisble by 4 abd becomes leap year...or...if it is divisible by 4 and 100, then it also has to be divisble by 400
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socialcoder >
either basic rule, or all 3?
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apeiros_ >
the rule doesn't say "years not divisible by 100 are not leap years"
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<
apeiros_ >
1904 is divisible by 4, not by 100, not by 400 - matches the condition "divisible by 4 AND (either also by 400, OR not by 100)"
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<
apeiros_ >
I mispelled the rule
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<
socialcoder >
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhh!
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<
apeiros_ >
wait, no, I didn't
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<
socialcoder >
i am screwed
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<
apeiros_ >
1904 - divisible by 4 -> true, by 400 -> false, not by 100 true
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<
apeiros_ >
so insert it: true AND (false OR true) -> true
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<
socialcoder >
trueand true is true
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<
socialcoder >
so same way
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<
socialcoder >
false, (false or flase)
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apeiros_ >
false AND (…)
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<
socialcoder >
so false
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socialcoder >
so in this next if year
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socialcoder >
the year is any year between say 1900 to 2000?
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socialcoder >
or all the years
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apeiros_ >
canton7: awesome
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<
socialcoder >
hey wow, thats awesome
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<
socialcoder >
yea apeiros
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<
socialcoder >
I am going to bookmark it
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<
canton7 >
this was getting painful to read...
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socialcoder >
thanks canton7
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<
canton7 >
I'm not sure how long pasties last for without getting deleted
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apeiros_ >
canton7: infinite afaik
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<
canton7 >
ah, sweet
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<
socialcoder >
pls see amy above question
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apeiros_ >
socialcoder: again, all it does is `next if not leap year`
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<
socialcoder >
next if year%4 != 0 in this 'year' refers to each year individually?
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apeiros_ >
i.e., it skips the year if it isn't a leap year
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<
socialcoder >
so it checks for conditions individually
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apeiros_ >
socialcoder: if it isn't divisible by 4, it can't be a leap year
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<
apeiros_ >
the other two rules can be omitted
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<
socialcoder >
true, what I want to know is
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<
socialcoder >
i got the lear yeat thingy
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<
socialcoder >
leap year
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<
socialcoder >
(starting..ending).each do |year| next if year%4 != 0
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<
socialcoder >
it checks each year indivisually in the range right?
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<
socialcoder >
PHEW!
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<
socialcoder >
now I got it
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<
socialcoder >
perfecto amigo!
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apeiros_ >
it could be optimized
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socialcoder >
how please?
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<
socialcoder >
surely that code sucks ;)
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apeiros_ >
for starters, since only every 4th year is a candidate for a leap year, it could be stepped at 4
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apeiros_ >
but initialization would be more complicated
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injekt >
Date.leap? D:
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apeiros_ >
some people prefer RTW
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apeiros_ >
or are just bloody unaware of core/stdlib
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* injekt
curses at Date._parse
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zzak >
lib/yaml just provides access to Psych, with an added features right?
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zzak >
well, you can use any yamler engine that is compatible, even tho syck was removed you can still use the gem
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<
zzak >
but i need a description for lib/yaml that doesn't repeat what psych does
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injekt >
yeah there's #yamler= right
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<
zzak >
this description was removed from trunk
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apeiros_ >
zzak: you updating/improving the docs?
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zzak >
since it doesnt apply
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apeiros_ >
as in - generally?
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zzak >
apeiros_: yeah, im working on a standard library guide for ri
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<
injekt >
zzak has been beating the hell out of ruby docs for a while
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injekt >
and doing an awesome job :)
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<
zzak >
like lib/README except both libraries and extensions
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zzak >
injekt: thank you sir!
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injekt >
drbrain: hey do you know anyone who can go over the ntlm mech stuff? I know ms doesn't recommend ntlm in applications anymore so how do you want to approach that?
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zzak >
i went with: YAML:: Ruby client library for the Psych YAML implementation
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zzak >
surprised gems still has code to handle syck
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oh, its for TEST_SYCK
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lib/rubygems/syck_hack.rb :|
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injekt: have you used net-http-persistent before?
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mech uses it, you might want to take a look if you havent already
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injekt >
zzak: yeah I have :)
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MartynKeigher >
can someone help me out, new to ruby and im running it on windows. no linux avail and im just trying to install a gem.
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yorickpeterse >
DEBUG -- : Skipping rack-0.9.1.gem
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yorickpeterse >
I should probably start pushing this code to GH
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yorickpeterse >
MartynKeigher: what's your issue exactly?
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MartynKeigher >
i have downloaded the zip and copied the files into my ruby193 install folder.
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yorickpeterse >
ehm, are you talking about Rails?
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yorickpeterse >
Because I think that's for Rails
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yorickpeterse >
Oh no, it's Sinatra
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yorickpeterse >
also, you don't add that to your Ruby installation directory
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MartynKeigher >
so its just ruby.
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yorickpeterse >
That's probably supposed to go into a specific project
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MartynKeigher >
oh ah!
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MartynKeigher >
so i can uninstall it and re install and im trying to do the gettings started piece and nothing works??
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MartynKeigher >
im new to it
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MartynKeigher >
yes that is what i installed it with
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MartynKeigher >
do i also need te devkit?
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yorickpeterse >
I have no idea, I don't use Windows :)
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MartynKeigher >
brb need ot reboot
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yorickpeterse >
heh, Windows and reboots
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MartynKeigher >
;) i know right
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injekt >
is anyone else having issues fetching gems?
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Mon_Ouie >
Nope, works fine here
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injekt >
eh, getting cert errors
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tbuehlmann >
rubygems switched certs over the weekend
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tbuehlmann >
that'll it be
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injekt >
weird it worked this morning
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tbuehlmann >
overheared it in #jruby, they got problems too
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injekt >
tbuehlmann: any ideas what others did to get around this?
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161538 <tcrawley> nicoulaj: yes, the gem proxy is broken due to some change rubygems made. we'll try to fix it tomorrow
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tbuehlmann >
that's the only thing I read regarding this on #jruby
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tbuehlmann >
so, no idea :\
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injekt >
works fine on my vpn
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pabloh >
anyone know where can I find recipes for multistage setups using vlad the deployer?
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tbuehlmann >
yea, no problems for me getting gems either
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zenspider: rake newb; is running forever for me and can't be interupted, is this a hoe issue?
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injekt >
tbuehlmann: figured it out btw
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tbuehlmann >
yeah, read it
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injekt >
tl;dr i was being a noob
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