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<ReinH> zenspider: ping
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<socialcoder> can someone look at my code?
<socialcoder> There are 2 codes for the same problem
<socialcoder> the first one is what Chris Pine suggested
<socialcoder> the second is mine
<socialcoder> I did mine before I looked at his solution
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<socialcoder> and I felt I had done something wrong
<socialcoder> even though I got the same result
<socialcoder> Can one of you please look into it and advice
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<mistym> socialcoder: I think your use of string interpolation is nicer, actually! You're doing essentially the same thing; the syntax is the only major difference.
<whitequark> socialcoder yours is way better
<socialcoder> phew!
<socialcoder> actually I got worried because I noticed my code was smaller
<socialcoder> so I thgt I missed something important
<socialcoder> thanks mistym and whitequark
<whitequark> there are several ways to write something in ruby
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<whitequark> the smaller is the better, *as long as it does not compromise clarity*
<socialcoder> does that mean result is all that matters?
<socialcoder> ah ok
<socialcoder> got it
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<drbrain> socialcoder: I think Chris Pine's book introduced string interpolation later
<socialcoder> yea, he hasn't reached there yet
<socialcoder> but I studied string interpolation elsewhere
<socialcoder> so I usedit
<mistym> String interpolation is nearly always prettier than +ing strings together.
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<socialcoder> is it just prettieror any other reason also?
<socialcoder> oops prettier*
<whitequark> it is syntactic sugar
<drbrain> it creates fewer garbage strings
<whitequark> the reason it exists is prettiness
<whitequark> drbrain: that is an implementation detail
<drbrain> whitequark: yeah, but all the implementations do it
<whitequark> drbrain: *shrug* mine decomposes it to String#+
<socialcoder> kewl
<drbrain> whitequark: ah
<whitequark> (but then again I use ropes for strings, so...)
<socialcoder> ropes??
<whitequark> drbrain: the reason I said that is that efficiency is hardly the most important factor in the decision of using interpolations or not
<socialcoder> apart from first couple sentences, it looks like rocket science to me
<drbrain> whitequark: agreed
<whitequark> socialcoder: basically if you #+ two strings, you can either copy all the bytes (slow) or just record the fact that your string is an union (fast)
<whitequark> a rope is a way to represent that fact
<socialcoder> I see
<whitequark> kinda like StringBuilder in Java, but better
<socialcoder> i think I need to take a primer in CS somewhere online
<drbrain> socialcoder: I got a CS degree but they didn't cover ropes
<drbrain> CS is a big topic
<whitequark> socialcoder: english wikipedia is a good start
<socialcoder> hmm
<whitequark> then, google all the stuff.
<drbrain> yeah ↑
<socialcoder> yea, will do that
<socialcoder> but wikiedia sometimes feels heavy on my brains
<socialcoder> very technical explanation
<drbrain> in ruby, worrying about data structures seems less important
<socialcoder> drbrain: why do you say that
<socialcoder> because it is a high level language?
<drbrain> in part
<socialcoder> and the other part/s?
<whitequark> drbrain: ... quite unfortunately
<drbrain> in most implementations its often more difficult to find (and probably implement) the best-fit data structure when you can repurpose an Array or Hash to inefficiently perform the same task
<whitequark> drbrain: you can use std::map and std::vector and dynamic_cast all day long in C++, with much the same results
<whitequark> but that's not the point
<whitequark> when (not if) you need more advanced data structures in ruby (like, I dunno, a sparse array), you're screwed up
<whitequark> this is the part I don't like.
<drbrain> whitequark: yeah
<socialcoder> wowow, flying over my head
<drbrain> also, in C and C++ if you need to use, say, a rope it's also easy to find a library that implements it for you
<whitequark> drbrain: (actually I think that dynamic_cast is way slower than the same thing in MRI, which is quite hilarious)
<drbrain> in ruby, not so much
<whitequark> well, there are gems with more specific data structures
<whitequark> but most of them are tied to C API
<drbrain> yeah
<whitequark> then again you can import Java stuff from JRuby, and it's among the best stuff you can find
<whitequark> but there's a lot of unfortunate complexity.
<drbrain> yeah, JRuby is pretty sweet in that regard
<whitequark> so much agreement :D
<socialcoder> what exactly is jruby
<socialcoder> visited their website, but cudnt make out much
<whitequark> socialcoder: an implementation of ruby on jvm
<whitequark> it's fast, it has real threads, and tons of other sweet stuff
<socialcoder> does that mean u write something in ruby and port it to java platform
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<whitequark> you can use it right now, probably without changing your code
<whitequark> yes
<socialcoder> thats nice
<socialcoder> but does that mean u can write apps for java?
<socialcoder> java apps in ruby
<socialcoder> sorry if I am not making sense
<drbrain> roughly, yes
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<socialcoder> as an extension, does it mean u can write games?
<socialcoder> i mean build games
<drbrain> yes
<havenn> socialcoder: There are quite a few popular languages implemented on the JVM: http://www.drdobbs.com/jvm/a-long-look-at-jvm-languages/240007765
<socialcoder> now, thats awesome
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<socialcoder> can a while statemrnt go inside a if statement?
<drbrain> yes
<socialcoder> thx
<socialcoder> and vice versa?
<manveru> sure
<socialcoder> thx again
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<johnnyfive> how many whiles can fit inside an if? and if it can, what happens while it does?
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<socialcoder> very puzzling question
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<socialcoder> what does next stand for
<socialcoder> I mean what is next
<socialcoder> what is this saying next if year%4 != 0
<socialcoder> -> next if year%4 != 0
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<socialcoder> (starting..ending).each do |year| next if year%4 != 0 next if year%100 == 0 && year%400 != 0 puts year end actually what is thi saying
<socialcoder> I know 2 things...the range class and the each method
<socialcoder> I am confused after this next if year%4 != 0 next if year%100 == 0 && year%400 != 0 puts year end
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<socialcoder> can someone explain the code here https://gist.github.com/4701445 The area below my comment
<socialcoder> not very good at maths, so this has got me scratching my head
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<apeiros_> socialcoder: you know the rule of leap years?
<socialcoder> nope
<socialcoder> unless u mean once every 4 years
<apeiros_> that's the incomplete one
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<socialcoder> whats the complete rule
<apeiros_> every 4 years, except every 100 years, but still every 400 years
<socialcoder> err...
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<apeiros_> i.e., 1900 is not a leap year, 2000 is
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<socialcoder> sounds like a mess
<socialcoder> why is that
<apeiros_> because julian calendar was off by ~2 weeks when we changed to gregorian
<socialcoder> so 1700, 1800 and 1900 are not leap years, but 2000 is and so is 1600
<apeiros_> correct
<socialcoder> ok, go on
<apeiros_> you know wikipedia?
<socialcoder> when I said go on, I didnt mean explain more about leap years :)
<socialcoder> I meant can u explain the last 2 lines of the code
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<socialcoder> next if year%4 != 0 next if year%100 == 0 && year%400 != 0
<socialcoder> I want to know what it means or is saying
<apeiros_> it says "next if not leap year"
<socialcoder> can u pls tell the whole thing
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<apeiros_> what do you have trouble with?
<apeiros_> year % 100 is modulo, see Integer#%
<socialcoder> trouble understand this part year%4 != 0and again year%100 == 0 && year%400 != 0
<socialcoder> modulo is remainder right?
<apeiros_> it tests whether the number is divisible by 4, 100 and 400
<apeiros_> yes, modulo gets you the remainder
<socialcoder> but I dont understand what is it saying here
<socialcoder> wheteher what number is divible? the user input? the starting and ending?
<apeiros_> year % 4 - if the remainder of that is zero, the year is divisible by 4
<apeiros_> thus a leap-year candidate
<socialcoder> well 100 /4 is also 0 right?
<socialcoder> and so with 400
<socialcoder> 0 remains
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<apeiros_> socialcoder: yes
<socialcoder> so all three are true then?
<apeiros_> that's why you need additional tests
<apeiros_> socialcoder: no. maybe you try in irb with different years
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<socialcoder> seriously, something isnt clicking inside me
<apeiros_> a year is a leap year if it is: divisible by 4 AND (either also by 400, OR not by 100) - do you understand that statement?
<socialcoder> why not by 100?
<apeiros_> because years which are divisible by 100 are not leap years
<apeiros_> except years which are also divisible by 400
<socialcoder> 1600 is divisble by 100 as well as 400 no?
<socialcoder> ah
<apeiros_> yes, hence not a leap year
<socialcoder> I see
<apeiros_> look at it this way
<apeiros_> basic rule: years divisible by 4 are leap years
<socialcoder> and
<apeiros_> exception to rule: years divisible by 100 are not leap years (all years divisible by 100 would be leap years if only the basic rule counted)
<socialcoder> thats where I am not getting it
<socialcoder> 1900 is divisible by 4 as well as 100 no?
<apeiros_> exception to the exception: years divisible by 400 remain leap years (all years divisible by 400 would not be leap years if only basic rule + exception counted)
<apeiros_> yes, 1900 is not a leap year
<yxhuvud> 2000 was though.
<socialcoder> wait a minute
<socialcoder> if a year is both divisible by 4 as well as 100, then it is not leap year?
<apeiros_> correct
<socialcoder> then how come 2000 is leap year
<socialcoder> 2000 is also divisible by 4 and 100
<apeiros_> because of the exception of the exception
<apeiros_> 2000 is also divisible by 400
<socialcoder> freaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
<apeiros_> thus remains a leap year
<socialcoder> ok, what about 1904
<apeiros_> leap year
<socialcoder> what makes it leap year
<socialcoder> its only divisble by 4
<socialcoder> not 100, not 400
<apeiros_> doesn't matter
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<socialcoder> so either a year is divisble by 4 abd becomes leap year...or...if it is divisible by 4 and 100, then it also has to be divisble by 400
<socialcoder> either basic rule, or all 3?
<apeiros_> the rule doesn't say "years not divisible by 100 are not leap years"
<apeiros_> 1904 is divisible by 4, not by 100, not by 400 - matches the condition "divisible by 4 AND (either also by 400, OR not by 100)"
<apeiros_> oh, wow
<apeiros_> I mispelled the rule
<apeiros_> my bad
<socialcoder> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhh!
<apeiros_> wait, no, I didn't
<apeiros_> it fits
<socialcoder> i am screwed
<apeiros_> 1904 - divisible by 4 -> true, by 400 -> false, not by 100 true
<apeiros_> so insert it: true AND (false OR true) -> true
<socialcoder> trueand true is true
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<socialcoder> so same way
<socialcoder> 2013
<socialcoder> false, (false or flase)
<apeiros_> false AND (…)
<socialcoder> so false
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<socialcoder> so in this next if year
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<socialcoder> the year is any year between say 1900 to 2000?
<canton7> socialcoder, http://pastie.org/6033019
<socialcoder> or all the years
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<apeiros_> canton7: awesome
<socialcoder> hey wow, thats awesome
<socialcoder> yea apeiros
<socialcoder> I am going to bookmark it
<canton7> this was getting painful to read...
<socialcoder> ;)
<socialcoder> thanks canton7
<canton7> I'm not sure how long pasties last for without getting deleted
<apeiros_> canton7: infinite afaik
<canton7> ah, sweet
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<socialcoder> pls see amy above question
<apeiros_> socialcoder: again, all it does is `next if not leap year`
<socialcoder> next if year%4 != 0 in this 'year' refers to each year individually?
<apeiros_> i.e., it skips the year if it isn't a leap year
<socialcoder> so it checks for conditions individually
<apeiros_> socialcoder: if it isn't divisible by 4, it can't be a leap year
<apeiros_> the other two rules can be omitted
<socialcoder> true, what I want to know is
<socialcoder> i got the lear yeat thingy
<socialcoder> leap year
<socialcoder> (starting..ending).each do |year| next if year%4 != 0
<socialcoder> it checks each year indivisually in the range right?
<apeiros_> yes
<socialcoder> PHEW!
<socialcoder> now I got it
<socialcoder> perfecto amigo!
<apeiros_> it could be optimized
<socialcoder> how please?
<socialcoder> surely that code sucks ;)
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<apeiros_> for starters, since only every 4th year is a candidate for a leap year, it could be stepped at 4
<apeiros_> but initialization would be more complicated
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<injekt> Date.leap? D:
<apeiros_> some people prefer RTW
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<apeiros_> or are just bloody unaware of core/stdlib
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<injekt> :)
* injekt curses at Date._parse
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<zzak> :|
<injekt> ohai zzak
<zzak> hi!
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<zzak> lib/yaml just provides access to Psych, with an added features right?
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<injekt> zzak: yup
<zzak> well, you can use any yamler engine that is compatible, even tho syck was removed you can still use the gem
<zzak> but i need a description for lib/yaml that doesn't repeat what psych does
<injekt> yeah there's #yamler= right
<injekt> ah
<zzak> this description was removed from trunk
<apeiros_> zzak: you updating/improving the docs?
<zzak> since it doesnt apply
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<apeiros_> as in - generally?
<zzak> apeiros_: yeah, im working on a standard library guide for ri
<apeiros_> awesome
<injekt> zzak has been beating the hell out of ruby docs for a while
<injekt> and doing an awesome job :)
<zzak> like lib/README except both libraries and extensions
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<zzak> injekt: thank you sir!
<injekt> drbrain: hey do you know anyone who can go over the ntlm mech stuff? I know ms doesn't recommend ntlm in applications anymore so how do you want to approach that?
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<zzak> i went with: YAML:: Ruby client library for the Psych YAML implementation
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<zzak> surprised gems still has code to handle syck
<zzak> oh, its for TEST_SYCK
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<zzak> lib/rubygems/syck_hack.rb :|
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<zzak> injekt: have you used net-http-persistent before?
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<zzak> mech uses it, you might want to take a look if you havent already
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<injekt> zzak: yeah I have :)
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<MartynKeigher> can someone help me out, new to ruby and im running it on windows. no linux avail and im just trying to install a gem.
<yorickpeterse> DEBUG -- : Skipping rack-0.9.1.gem
<yorickpeterse> :D
<yorickpeterse> I should probably start pushing this code to GH
<yorickpeterse> MartynKeigher: what's your issue exactly?
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<MartynKeigher> i installed ruby 193 and i can see the document server on port 8808 and i see i have seven gems installed. i am trying to add this ot it... http://shopify.github.com/dashing/#widgets
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<MartynKeigher> i have downloaded the zip and copied the files into my ruby193 install folder.
<yorickpeterse> ehm, are you talking about Rails?
<yorickpeterse> Because I think that's for Rails
<yorickpeterse> Oh no, it's Sinatra
<yorickpeterse> also, you don't add that to your Ruby installation directory
<MartynKeigher> so its just ruby.
<yorickpeterse> That's probably supposed to go into a specific project
<MartynKeigher> oh ah!
<MartynKeigher> ok
<MartynKeigher> so i can uninstall it and re install and im trying to do the gettings started piece and nothing works??
<MartynKeigher> im new to it
<yorickpeterse> http://rubyinstaller.org/ did you give this a try?
<MartynKeigher> yes that is what i installed it with
<MartynKeigher> do i also need te devkit?
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<yorickpeterse> I have no idea, I don't use Windows :)
<MartynKeigher> ah
<MartynKeigher> brb need ot reboot
<yorickpeterse> heh, Windows and reboots
<MartynKeigher> ;) i know right
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<yorickpeterse> oi Ruby folks, this needs some testing: https://github.com/YorickPeterse/gem-mirror
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<injekt> is anyone else having issues fetching gems?
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<Mon_Ouie> Nope, works fine here
<injekt> eh, getting cert errors
<tbuehlmann> rubygems switched certs over the weekend
<tbuehlmann> that'll it be
<injekt> ah
<injekt> weird it worked this morning
<tbuehlmann> overheared it in #jruby, they got problems too
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<injekt> heh
<injekt> awesome
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<injekt> tbuehlmann: any ideas what others did to get around this?
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<tbuehlmann> 161538 <tcrawley> nicoulaj: yes, the gem proxy is broken due to some change rubygems made. we'll try to fix it tomorrow
<tbuehlmann> that's the only thing I read regarding this on #jruby
<injekt> heh
<tbuehlmann> so, no idea :\
<injekt> works fine on my vpn
<pabloh> anyone know where can I find recipes for multistage setups using vlad the deployer?
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<tbuehlmann> yea, no problems for me getting gems either
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<injekt> zenspider: rake newb; is running forever for me and can't be interupted, is this a hoe issue?
<injekt> tbuehlmann: figured it out btw
<tbuehlmann> yeah, read it
<injekt> heh
<injekt> tl;dr i was being a noob
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