apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 1.9.3-p385: http://ruby-lang.org (ruby-2.0.0-rc1) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<dangerousbeans> Hey
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<erikh> zenspider: hey, you around?
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<erikh> I know your stance on assert_nothing_raised, but I'm wondering how you feel about something like refute_raises
<erikh> e.g., if something raises something that's not what I specify
<zzak> vbatts: committed! thanks!
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<dangerousbeans> Hey, just incase you're interested we've built a bot - IRCNOMMER - to sentiment analysize the chat in this room and some other programming rooms. Live results here: http://ircnommer.co.uk/
<erikh> drbrain: ^
<drbrain> erikh: seems silent so far
<erikh> fair 'nuff
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<vbatts> zzak: cool
<erikh> anyhow lata
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<zzak> vbatts: i ended up nodoc'ing a lot of that internal stuff
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<zzak> drbrain: if i want to commit docs for rake
<zzak> what branch do i commit to upstream?
<drbrain> master, and if you're ambitious you can also commit to the 0.9.2 branch
<zzak> and can i just commit to trunk and then send a PR to merge?
<drbrain> sure
<zzak> ok, awesome
<zzak> im going through the stuff in ./doc/rake from trunk and weeding it out first
<drbrain> cool
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<zzak> that is like the last one still in ./doc that is left to check
<vbatts> zzak: that's cool
<zzak> i am writing docs in between rounds of killing bad guys
<zzak> they finally released CSS for the linux client
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<alex57> hello
<alex57> I'd like to ask for your help on a simple Ruby script to send out email. It works on one PC (Windows) and not on another (Linux)
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<brain_shim> alex57: you still there?
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<alex571> can anybody help me please ?
<brain_shim> hey again
<brain_shim> I had to register my nick with freenode
<brain_shim> back to help!
<alex571> thank you
<brain_shim> So, basically the fastest way to get help is to post your code on a pastebin
<brain_shim> ever done that before?
<alex571> no
<brain_shim> go to http://pastie.org
<brain_shim> and put your code in the box,
<brain_shim> and submit it, and you will get a link you can share
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<brain_shim> Ruby is multi-platform, but sometimes the OS specific dependencies behave differently
<brain_shim> :)
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<alex571> I'll do that, but the code is very simple, like it apears in many tutorials. It's just that it works when I try it from one machine and it fails from another
<charliesome> most rubyists assume their code will be running on a posix os too
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<brain_shim> Then you need to share what the particular error is
<brain_shim> there are a lot of possible reasons
<alex571> The code is this http://pastie.org/6107871
<brain_shim> looking at it right now...
<brain_shim> kk
<alex571> and when it's working (Windows) I can see the debug trace of the connection. When I try it from Linux I don't get any trace, just a timeout on the socket
<brain_shim> paste the error
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<brain_shim> i was getting socket errors earlier myself this evening
<brain_shim> there are some error handlers you can wrap network calls with
<alex571> this is the timeout error I'm getting http://pastie.org/6107882
<brain_shim> cool cool
<brain_shim> it may be enough to just give it a longer time out
<brain_shim> but ima do some googlin'
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<alex571> I have done lots of googlin'
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<brain_shim> have you seen this?
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<alex571> I don't think it's just a matter of switchin ports, because the same script works in Windows
<brain_shim> Usually it's the other way around ;)
<brain_shim> hmmmm....
<alex571> Actually in Windows I can successfully run even a more advanced script, using TLS on port 587 (same server)
* brain_shim looks at zee docs...
<alex571> At first I thought I was missing some gems, as my gem list is empty on Linux. Could that be tha case ?
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<brain_shim> It depends if this script depends on any other gems,
<brain_shim> but I doubt it.
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<brain_shim> The error looks like it's using the correct gem, just timing out.
<brain_shim> Is the port explicitly defined earlier in your script?
<brain_shim> All the examples I see on Ruby-lang specify port 25
<alex571> I'm just requiring 'net/smtp' and there is no problem with that
<alex571> yes, port 25 and it works in Windows
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<alex571> how can I increase the timeout
<brain_shim> looking into it right now
<brain_shim> I just went through that process with open-uri
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<brain_shim> It's kind of gross, but I was able to debug my crashes a bit better.
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<brain_shim> basically you've got this begin,rescue,end thing going on that catches the standard erros
<brain_shim> *errors
<brain_shim> open-uri has this (open(site, :read_timeout=>5)) hash-key option
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<brain_shim> need to check if/where that exists with smtp
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<alex571> Thankyou for the code. I will try it out, but I didn't think I was getting any exceptions in my script, just regular timeout messages
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<brain_shim> Check #ruby too, they seem to be a slightly less lethargic channel.
<brain_shim> :)
<alex571> I added the line smtp.read_timeout=120 to my script but it didn't make much difference
<zzak> whats the problem?
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<brain_shim> My friend is getting smtp timeouts in his script (http://pastie.org/6107871, http://pastie.org/6107882#)
<brain_shim> We're wondering the best way to increase the time out.
<alex571> keeping in mind that the same script is okay in Windows and fails in Linux
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<zzak> try setting smtp.read_timeout and smtp.open_timeout?
<darix> i would rather check if the linux box can talk to the smtpd in first place
<darix> like netcat smtphost 25
<alex57> netcat: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
<darix> alex57: you replaced smtphost with the right hostname yes?
<alex57> ye
<alex57> s
<darix> ok
<darix> well then you have a problem resolving the name already.
<zzak> yea
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<alex57> actually the same script (besides working in Windows) it also works ok if I use another smtp server
<darix> so the server is the problem
<darix> not your script
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<darix> test with netcat if you see the same issues
<alex57> but it works from Windows, so how can it be the server ?
<darix> alex57: does it work on windows from the *same* machine
<darix> just dual boot
<darix> or is it a different machine
<darix> with different routing
<darix> it seems it cant resolve the dns name
<darix> so many options that can go wrong
<darix> firewalls come to mind
<alex57> different machine
<alex57> same LAN
<alex57> netcat with the other smtp server seemed to resolve the server name and replied with 220 and later with 421 Error: timeout exceeded
<darix> try "host smtphost" on the linux machine
<darix> check it's /etc/resolv.conf that it is using the same as the windows box
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<darix> so many options
<darix> i am sure you will figure it out
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<alex57> Sorry in my previous netcat attempt I mispelled the server name on the command line. When I retried it just hangs there...
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<alex57> I don't have netcat on Windows to make a comparison
<alex57> after a long timeout (about 4 minutes) it came back to the prompt with no message whatsoever. Is that good ?
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<alex57> when I try host smtp.gmx.com it resolves the address okay
<alex57> the file /etc/resolv.conf has only one line: nameserver 127.0.0.1
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<alex57> Is there anything else you can suggest ?
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<alex57> Thank you to those who tried to help me so far
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<brain_shim> :)
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<charliesome> how can i find the path to the ruby binary>
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<darix> charliesome: rbconfig
<charliesome> ah yeah got it
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<darix> RUBY_INSTALL_NAME
<darix> and bindir
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<banisterfiend> charliesome: RbConfig.ruby
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<darix> oh nice
<darix> hi banisterfiend
<banisterfiend> sup
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<manveru> charliesome: Gem.ruby :)
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<yfeldblum> how do you exit early from a class scope? class XYZ ; exit_early if ABC == 3 ; ... ; end
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<Mon_Ouie> You can't (well, I suppose throw, etc. would work… but why?)
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<yfeldblum> Mon_Ouie, e.g. using a constant from a gem that you may have required ... or maybe not ... and you don't want the class body to raise in case that constant doesn't exist
<Mon_Ouie> You can just use regular conditionals for that
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<yfeldblum> Mon_Ouie, of course, but suppose the class scope does that six or seven times?
<yfeldblum> Mon_Ouie, and you'd like to indent one less level?
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<yfeldblum> Mon_Ouie, i'm asking about a return-early vs nested-conditionals style; the latter is easy, but i'm asking about the former
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<Okasu> http://ideone.com/0hQu6x Factorial through inheritance.(just a joke) :)
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<havenwood> Any refactoring suggestions? Both #finish and #keccak seem dense to me. https://gist.github.com/havenwood/4747260
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<yfeldblum> havenwood, does it really matter?
<injekt> looks ok to me, there's a C ext impl of keccak for ruby around too iirc
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<yfeldblum> havenwood, just get a whole bunch of test vectors to make sure it's not broken
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<yfeldblum> havenwood, you could get rid of some unnecessary string allocations though
<zzak> anyone in the boston area?
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<zzak> we need a second speaker on tuesday, the other presenter just had a baby :D
<havenwood> injekt: yeah, the Phusion guys did a C-ext, I just really wanted to get it in idiomatic Ruby for fun
<havenwood> injekt: or Ruby versions without C-ext support, I guess
<havenwood> yfeldblum: hrmm, tests...
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<havenwood> yfeldblum: I need to try to understand the permutations better so I can add performance tests.
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<havenwood> Any OP on? Bump /title to ruby-2.0.0-rc2?
<injekt> zenspider drbrain_
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<zzak> ape usually does that
<injekt> lol ape
<injekt> that's definitely his new name
<zzak> :D
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<havenwood> Would be nice to do a comparison of Unicorn memory usage between 1.9.3 and 2.0.0, see what benefit copy-on-write friendly gc brings. What would be a good tool to measure memory usage of Unicorn processes?
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<whitequark> havenwood: top
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<havenwood> whitequark: hrm?
<havenwood> whitequark: ahh, gotcha
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<havenwood> whitequark: top -l, etc, yeah that makes sense, i need to `man` me some `top`
<havenwood> whitequark: Would love to have something like VisualVM for CRuby.
<havenwood> tooling ftw?
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<drbrain> injekt: done!
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<injekt> \o/
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<zzak> maybe a job for dtrace
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<zzak> anyone in the US looking for a few extra hours of work a week?
<injekt> ruby-build is awful
<bougyman> everything is awful
<bougyman> ruby included
<injekt> ^
<bougyman> zzak: yes, sir, always
<bougyman> pm
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<zzak> how much do you charge to hide in a closet? what about under the bed?
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<whitequark> bougyman: clang is pretty nice
<injekt> blah issues compiling 1.9.3-p358 now :(
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<bougyman> whitequark: agreed.
<bougyman> but it's awful
<bougyman> because gcc binaries still kick its butt.
<bougyman> and gcc is awful
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<whitequark> bougyman: judging by phoronix reports, it depends on the task
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<whitequark> plus unlike gcc, llvm/clang are being actively developed. which is more important.
<bougyman> whitequark: agreed.
<bougyman> but in the real world, clang has failed for me, in production.
<bougyman> specifically with freeswitch and some other telecom products.
<bougyman> yate, openser
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<bougyman> so: awfule
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<whitequark> bougyman: hm, how in particular?
<whitequark> I wonder how you could get such horrible results
<bougyman> fewer calls per second, crashes (with freeswitch and yate)
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<whitequark> bougyman: that sounds like a miscompilation
<whitequark> you should've reported it.
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<UziMonkey> I dumped the syntax tree of a and rendered it with graphviz http://i2.minus.com/iBZSMVKEJjQfI.png
<UziMonkey> *of a program
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