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<alexove> I have this problem using middleman
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<islander> is attr_accessor just a shortcut to make attributes for classes without having to define a lot of methods/variables?
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<lianj> islander: yes
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<islander> @lianj thank you.
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<chekcmate> mornüüün!
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<jaska> opening that graphviz png in ffox made x11 lock up for a minute :D hah
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<UziMonkey> is this perverse, or good? Given an arbitrary Array of numbers and other Arrays such as [1,2,[3,4,[5],6],7,[8,9]] and the desired output of an Array of the same structure, but each element mapped, you can do this.
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<UziMonkey> a.map{|i| pr = proc{|i| i.is_a?(Array) ? i.map(&pr) : i+1 }; pr.call(i) }.inspect
<UziMonkey> => "[2, 3, [4, 5, [6], 7], 8, [9, 10]]"
<UziMonkey> jaska: good timing, I just sat back down :P
<UziMonkey> and this is something I used in that code
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<UziMonkey> I wonder if there's a better way for a proc to refer to itself?
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<banisterfiend> UziMonkey: y-combinator? :)
<UziMonkey> yes, similar
<UziMonkey> except I don't understand the y-combinator
<UziMonkey> :P
<UziMonkey> I'll just write a better method instead
<banisterfiend> its ruby implementation isn't so pretty
<UziMonkey> I saw it
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<UziMonkey> I didn't understandit
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<UziMonkey> I understood what it did, but... convoluted'
<UziMonkey> there, that works
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<UziMonkey> [1,2,[3,4,[5],6],7,[8,9]].recmap{|i| i+1 }
<UziMonkey> => [2, 3, [4, 5, [6], 7], 8, [9, 10]]
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<banisterfiend> cool
<UziMonkey> I renamed it to rmap because "recmap" sounds like a reject alien from a B-movie
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<judofyr> morning
<certainty> UziMonkey: nice
<certainty> deep-map
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<UziMonkey> it doesn't work on hashes since hashes enumerated yield [k,v] arrays
<certainty> make sense. the semantics of it would at least be unclear
<certainty> apply the proc to values or keys, etc.
<certainty> maybe treemap is another name
<UziMonkey> ideally I'd like to apply the proc to anything enumerable spits out, but this can't tell the difference between a nested array and the [k,v] array from a hash
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<UziMonkey> I suppose I can just do a special Hash#rmap since it's kind of an oddball
<UziMonkey> or move it to Array
<judofyr> UziMonkey: what are you working on?
<UziMonkey> nothing, really
<UziMonkey> I'm just playing
<certainty> what would it do on hashes?
<UziMonkey> I'll show you, brb
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<UziMonkey> yes, this is convoluted now
<UziMonkey> I suppose it only does make sense if you want to map values
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<certainty> yeah
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<UziMonkey> > {a:1,b:{c:2,d:3},e:{f:4},g:5}.rvmap{|v| v+1 }
<UziMonkey> => {:a=>2, :b=>{:c=>3, :d=>4}, :e=>{:f=>5}, :g=>6}
<certainty> {a:1,b:{c:2,d:3},e:{f:4},g:5}.rvmap(:last){|v| v+1 } .. the parameter could default to nil which means identity ... but maybe that's too much
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<UziMonkey> you could just default it to v yourself
<UziMonkey> wait, what?
<certainty> so that you can as well work on keys if you like {a:1,b:{c:2,d:3},e:{f:4},g:5}.invert.rvmap(:first){|k| k+1}
<UziMonkey> well I have an rkmap too for mapping keys
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<certainty> ah, that's what the v stands for
<certainty> nevermind then
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<UziMonkey> you could make it more complicated by passing two blocks
<UziMonkey> one for keys, one for values
<certainty> or just destructure in your block :)
<certainty> |k,v|
<certainty> then it's just recmap again
<UziMonkey> > {a:1,b:{c:2,d:3},e:{f:4},g:5}.rkvmap ->(k){k.to_s},->(v){v+1}
<UziMonkey> => {"a"=>2, "b"=>{"c"=>3, "d"=>4}, "e"=>{"f"=>5}, "g"=>6}
<certainty> unless you have keys that are hashes that you want descent into :) but that's uhm uncommon
<UziMonkey> no, the problem is here
<UziMonkey> I don't even know
<UziMonkey> I can't think of a use case for mapping keys _and_ values
<UziMonkey> let alone in isolation, if you ahve a single block that maps both keys and values, how does it tell the difference between a [k,v] pair where v is nil, and one where the v is really a sub-hash but the method just passed it nil because expecting your block to also deal with sub-hashes is asking too much?
<certainty> true
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<certainty> on the other hand i wouldn't expect that a #map returns a hash anyway
<UziMonkey> but the whole point of r*map is that it doesn't see a sub-Enumerable of any kind
<UziMonkey> but I'm done with this
<UziMonkey> I had a use for rmap, and I'm done using it, it's filed away :P
<certainty> nice :)
<certainty> how does it work on (m = { foo: :bar }; m[:bar] = m)?
<UziMonkey> I thought of that
<UziMonkey> yeah, it does what I expected
<UziMonkey> stack level too deep
<certainty> :)
<UziMonkey> so it won't work on circular data structures
<certainty> which is ok
<UziMonkey> but this isn't for graphs, it's for hierarchies
<UziMonkey> which I suppose are a subset of graphs
<certainty> yes
<certainty> they tend to be tree'ish
<Paradox> the pentadolan
<certainty> what's that?
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<Paradox> a stupid meme
<Paradox> lol
<Paradox> dont waste your time with it
<Paradox> erm
<Paradox> no
<certainty> ok, quick duckduckgo'ing didn't reveal much
<Paradox> thats sfw
<chekcmate> lol pentadolan
<chekcmate> uncle dolan is best!
<Paradox> gooby pls
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<UziMonkey> as long as we're on the subject
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<Paradox> dolan pls
<Paradox> as long as we're on LE subject
<Paradox> i still find fuzzy spidermang funnier
<Paradox> but bogs bunneh is funny
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<injekt> i hate google
<injekt> apart from their search
<injekt> everything else sucks balls
<banisterfiend> injekt: maps isn't bad either ;)
<injekt> yeah ok maps is good too
<injekt> but everything else!
<ggreer> and gmail isn't bad
<injekt> :-/
<injekt> ok and gmail
<injekt> but
<banisterfiend> injekt: it's true though they have lots of junk
<ggreer> also google reader isn't too shabby
<injekt> EVERYTHING ELSE
<ggreer> :)
<injekt> ggreer: meh
<banisterfiend> 90% of their stuff is average
<ggreer> well google reader is the best of a bad batch of rss readers
<banisterfiend> but i guess if they keep spamming stuff some of it will stick to teh wall
<injekt> im mostly complaining about apps marketplace
<injekt> integrating an app for a client
<ggreer> there's nothing I've really liked
<ggreer> bloglines was cool, but it's dead
<ggreer> :(
<injekt> their documentation sucks worse than rubys
<injekt> although ruby docs are pretty good now /thanks zzak ;)
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<UziMonkey> eh.. I like a lot of Google web apps
<UziMonkey> I use gmail, docs, drive, I used to use Reader, I use maps
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<injekt> so everything we just listed that's good plus drive :D
<banisterfiend> UziMonkey: why do you use drive?
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<banisterfiend> UziMonkey: i tried using it but dropbox was ways superior IMO
<UziMonkey> I don't actually use it anymore :P
<UziMonkey> but it's bookmarked because that's how I get to my docs
<UziMonkey> I don't use Dropbox anymore either, so...
<ggreer> oh yeah, google docs is nice
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<UziMonkey> no one has said specifically a google app they didn't like
<UziMonkey> oh, the apps marketplace
<ggreer> I've never used the apps marketplace
<UziMonkey> which I haven't even seen, I don't own an android device
<ggreer> oh yeah, chrome is nice
<UziMonkey> oh yeah, how could we forget about Chrome? :P
<injekt> it has nothing to do with android
<injekt> the google apps marketplace is for web apps
<UziMonkey> oh, I thought that was the android app store, my bd
<injekt> so, any website that could be integrated with the marketplace
<ggreer> oh and google hangouts are nice
<injekt> it sucks and i have no idea why people use it
<injekt> mostly documentation, trying to implement all the policies is ridiculous
<injekt> even sso isn't simple
<ggreer> yeah what's the point of a marketplace for web apps? it's not like you have to install anything to use a web app
<injekt> right, it 'installs' into google in the 'more' tab in your google toolbar, then you can access the app any time and not have to login
<ggreer> heh
<ggreer> so... a bookmark
<injekt> ;)
<UziMonkey> just like Chrome apps :P
<ggreer> apparently I have 5 "apps" installed that way
<ggreer> probably the defaults: chrome web store, gmail, google reader, youtube, and google search
<injekt> UziMonkey: I think so, i dont know the difference, chrome apps actually get stuff installed locally no?
<UziMonkey> I don't know, I installed a few but they were all just bookmarks
<chekcmate> why use chrome, when Iron is there?
<chekcmate> never understood that
<UziMonkey> there's NaCL stuff, and I suppose there's more
<injekt> I guess chrome web apps are limited to well.. chrome
<chekcmate> no
<chekcmate> to chromium
<injekt> wat
<chekcmate> iron is based on chromium as well as chrome, isn't it?
<chekcmate> but chrome is from google, sucked up with bitch-ass google stuff... iron is pure chromium
<UziMonkey> iron seems like Chromium + paranoia
<chekcmate> at least that's how i understood it
<injekt> what bitch-ass google stuff? chrome is a pleasure to use
<chekcmate> chrome is a bitch when it comes to your rights
<injekt> my rights? what rights?
<chekcmate> exactly :)
<UziMonkey> he means the "anything I type into the address bar get sent to google" stuff
<UziMonkey> as for that, who the fuck actually cares?
<injekt> ^
<injekt> i certainly dont
<UziMonkey> and if you really do, sit in your corner and stfu kthx
<chekcmate> well, you can argue that way, or you can argue correctly
<chekcmate> but go on, feed them :)
<injekt> i don't care if google has my stuff, and if it helps further my personal search results so be it
<ggreer> also google has google fiber, which I hear is cool
<UziMonkey> I don't want to argue with paranoids, that's like arguing with my dad. He thinks what he thinks and there's just no changing it
<ggreer> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2501010882.png <-- but my current internet isn't too shabby either
<UziMonkey> damn.. I'm on 30mbit and I think it's plenty fast :P
<ggreer> I bet it'd be faster if I tried it over ethernet
<chekcmate> I'm not paranoid, that's an easy way to counter such arguments though, isn't it?
<injekt> yeah im on 30 too going up to 60 soon and im pretty happy with it
<UziMonkey> I had a download hit 2meg/s yesterday
<UziMonkey> I doubt mine will get much faster, so I live in the middle of nowhere as far as bandwidth is concerned
<ggreer> it is rather comical what one does with fast internet access. for example, I downloaded a blu ray rip of aliens but the default audio was french
<ggreer> (english dialogue was still there, but I had to select it manually when I started playing the movie)
<injekt> lol
<ggreer> so I downloaded a different 20GB blu-ray rip
<ggreer> instead of figuring out how to change a couple of flags in an mkv
<UziMonkey> well that's just idiotic :P
<ggreer> yeah next time I'll be sure to look at the nfo first
<chekcmate> UziMonkey: Do you use tools like ghostery or any ad-block/tracking-killer?
<UziMonkey> nope
<UziMonkey> why?
<ggreer> also changing the default language for that movie is a huge troll because the first 5 minutes have no dialogue
<chekcmate> because they are very interesting when it comes to what actually gets collected
<chekcmate> and I find that disturbingly much
<UziMonkey> if you say so, Mr. Paranoid
<chekcmate> ok, mr. argument
<UziMonkey> I told you, I'm not arguing, you are
<chekcmate> that's the keyboard ranger speaking, aight?
<ggreer> there's some interesting stuff in google analytics, but it's mostly used for boring purposes (like trying to figure out the right adwords to buy)
<chekcmate> Well, I would tell you what gets tracked and how it is used or may be used, but if you simply say "paranoid", you're asking me to continue to poke
<UziMonkey> I really need to oil my keyboard tray... I pushed it in and woke up the dog from across the thouse
<Paradox> blerg
<Paradox> ggreer, you know you can configure VLC to always play english
<chekcmate> you probably pushed it in your head, there seems to be a lot of hot air in there...
<chekcmate> anyways, don't wanna continue wasting my time about this, you have your opinion, I have mine
<chekcmate> now you told me that I'm paranoid and I told you about your hot air, we're even I guess
<ggreer> Paradox: thanks. that's pretty useful
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<UziMonkey> I have a bit of a strange setup. I run Windows, but Linux in VMWare using Unity so my Linux windows sit side by side with my Windows windows. When I make a request to a rails app on localhost:3000 from the VM, it's really fast. But when making a request from Windows on 192.168.1.6:3000, there's a 10 second pause on every request that it makes. That's not
<UziMonkey> really a Windows question, but anyone have any ideas on that?
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<UziMonkey> (oh, and manually making the request with telnet from Windows is instant)
<UziMonkey> (and this behavior is the same on Chrome and Firefox)
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<UziMonkey> hmm.. but wget from Windows also has that pause
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<injekt> "Linux windows sit side by side with my Windows windows"
<chekcmate> :D
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<UziMonkey> it's kind of making me angry, it's the only quirk in this cumbersome setup
<chekcmate> UziMonkey: is it only a network delay?
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<UziMonkey> no, because on telnet it's instant
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<UziMonkey> there's something on the server side that's delaying...
<chekcmate> whereas the vm is your server in that case?
<UziMonkey> yes
<UziMonkey> but requests made _from_ the vm with a web browser are instant
<chekcmate> hm.. have you tried virtualbox?
<UziMonkey> I'm confused :(
<chekcmate> same problem?
<UziMonkey> yes, but I'm too invested in VMWare :P
<UziMonkey> also, the unity mode on virtualbox is bad :(
<darix> have you tried running linux natively and ditching vmware+windows?
<UziMonkey> why would I do that?
<UziMonkey> Linux on the desktop? smoke less crack
<UziMonkey> the point of this setup is that Linux on the desktop is ass, but Linux for working is good, I want the best of both :p
<darix> I use linux on the desktop every day even without crack. but thank you for caring for my health.
<chris2> every desktop is ass :P
<UziMonkey> I used to, but it broke every single time. Flash broke, video broke, networking broke, etc
<chris2> wfm
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<darix> UziMonkey: did you consider that maybe you are the problem?;)
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<darix> anyway lunch time
<UziMonkey> no. Considering I don't touch the damn thing, I just use it. If it breaks, it's not my fault
<chris2> on linux, you break your system. on osx, apple does :P
<darix> ^
<Smol> UziMonkey: using webrick, I presume?
<jaska> also, on linux, you might be able to fix it, on osx, apple adds more useless garbage :)
<UziMonkey> yes Smol
<chris2> hehe
<chris2> the jaska
<Smol> UziMonkey: I'm pretty sure it does reverse dns lookups by default
<UziMonkey> hmm.. that's a possibility, and the lookups are timing out
<Smol> yup
<UziMonkey> that fixed it, thanks :)
<UziMonkey> it was some apple nonsense
<Smol> yeah, line 36 on lib/ruby/1.9.1/webrick/config.rb
<UziMonkey> no, just do this
<Smol> :DoNotReverseLookup => nil,
<UziMonkey> it was this daemon trying to find a hostname for other zeroconf clients
<darix> (or just add the IP of your windows host with some hostname to the /etc/hosts. but that would be too easy)
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<UziMonkey> yeah, but it'll change in a month or something and then I'll forget I did that :P
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<UziMonkey> but this worked, thanks for that idea Smol
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<chekcmate> hu.. the pope resigned
<jaska> o.O
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<charliesome> chekcmate: we can now call him ex-benedict
<caral> Hi. I have a "ordered" hash in ruby 1.9.3 like http://pastie.org/6116172 . How do I access the value at the key after :red? I do not find any method for that in the API.
<judofyr> caral: keys = h.keys; idx = keys.index(:red); key = keys[idx+1]; h[key]
<judofyr> caral: but really, you shouldn't use hashes if you need that kind of code
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<chekcmate> charliesome: ;)
<caral> ah looks like a possible way but not very nice indeed. Have you any suggestion for a alternative data structure?
<charliesome> array
<judofyr> or struct
<judofyr> or really, yeah, "value at the key after X" is maybe more of an array?
<judofyr> I don't quite see the usecase
<chekcmate> charliesome: he just wants to have some time left for garlz!
<chekcmate> or little boys... who knows
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<judofyr> bad chekcmate
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<charliesome> chekcmate: i'm still trying to figure out a good joke about that bit
<charliesome> something about stepping down
<chekcmate> judofyr: tbh I find it a mess that there still is so less investigation in those cases
<charliesome> however this is #ruby-lang, not #politics
<chekcmate> darn, wrong channel again...
<chekcmate> the hell
<workmad3> caral: ordered array of pairs sounds about right to me... [[:red, whatever], [:green, whatever]].index{|a| a.first == :red}
<chekcmate> so many people in #politics
<chekcmate> thought you were joking charliesome
<chekcmate> oh wait, im in ##namespace
<chekcmate> hah
<charliesome> wasn't aware there was a #politics, but the point still stands
<chekcmate> [13:48] == #politics Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
<charliesome> night
<chekcmate> night charliesome
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<caral> this could be a usecase http://pastie.org/6116260 for the next hash element
<workmad3> caral: don't use a hash
<workmad3> caral: hashes aren't meant for that sort of use
<judofyr> caral: but do you care about "the next value"? why not just use color[:green]?
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<workmad3> caral: that's basically a usecase for 'I want my hash to act like an array of pairs'
<workmad3> caral: at which point... just use an array of pairs ;)
<caral> a good question :). I think I should think about it a little more.
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<caral> oh :D I had an array of pairs earlier. Thx for the comments.
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<lolzie> Hi guys. I wish to create a 2d image, modifying each individual pixel with a particular RGB - and then export it to a jpeg. How could I go about doing this / which library?
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<judofyr> lolzie: probably RMagick
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<lolzie> Sounds right, thanks :)
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<injekt> go for mini_magick unless you want issues
<injekt> because fuck rmagick :(
<injekt> lib has ruined my day more than once
<injekt> and it's slow and full of memory leaks
<injekt> I should point out that mini_magick wraps around imagemagicks cli tools, rmagick integrates the libmagick library
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<lolzie> injekt: will bear that in mind!
<lolzie> Have half-given-up installation of rmagick for now anyway
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<lolzie> Wanted to quickly demo it, not spend half a day researching how to install it1
<injekt> installation should be relatively easy if you've installed imagemagick
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<injekt> that said, it's always been a pita, switching my work apps over to mini_magick was the best thing I ever did
<injekt> had a 60% speed increase for some things, too
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<Smol> if you're on jruby, i'd use java.awt/javax.image directly
<judofyr> image processing in Ruby has always been a bit crap :/
<judofyr> I miss Imager (from Perl)
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<UziMonkey> jRuby is a pretty good idea here, you'll have access to anything on Java really, and I'm sure there's something appropriate
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<UziMonkey> the alternative is to output a simple image format yourself like a 24-bit bitmap and compress from the command line
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<Uranio> hi all, what could be this /usr/local/lib/ruby/2.0.0/rubygems/core_ext/kernel_require.rb:45:in `require': cannot load such file -- rubygems/format (LoadError)
<Uranio> is rails compatible with ruby2?
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<judofyr> Uranio: I think so; not quite sure
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<injekt> Uranio: bundler isn't
<Uranio> :-P
<injekt> that's bundler trying to load rubygems/format
<injekt> bundler head is, though
<injekt> so maybe try that (good luck :P)
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<Uranio> so... must wait until bundle reach the present
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<injekt> right
<UziMonkey> I've run Rails on Ruby 2, works fine
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<injekt> bundler always have prelease gems though
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<injekt> gem install bundler --pre
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<chekcmate> hu? someone should update dat MOD!
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<judofyr> MOD?
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<chekcmate> message of the day
<chekcmate> judofyr: do you know about envoirement variables?
<chekcmate> *MOTD my bad
<judofyr> chekcmate: ehm, yes?
<chekcmate> things like $DATDIR => /home/datdir and so on
<judofyr> sure
<chekcmate> when I work with bash scripts and they use those, I can't use these variables
<chekcmate> *when using those bash scripts in ruby
<judofyr> what do you mean "use"?
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<judofyr> ENV['DATADIR'] # => "/home/datadir"
<chekcmate> hmm, no
<chekcmate> ruby opens a .sh script and the script forgets its variables e.g.
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<judofyr> chekcmate: example of where it fails?
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<chekcmate> $MYDIR is actually /home/darius
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<chekcmate> when some.sh does $MYDIR/test/case01/... it won't find it, because it doesn't know $MYDIR
<judofyr> chekcmate: and how do you set MYDIR?
<chekcmate> judofyr: they are made already and activated via command, depends on which you need
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<chekcmate> i guess like the usual with export VAR
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<judofyr> chekcmate: environment variables only gets inherited to child processes: ruby -e'ENV["FOO"] = "bar"'; echo $FOO (echo nothing)
<judofyr> the same applies for bash scripts too: ( export FOO="bar" ); echo $FOO
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<judofyr> ruby -e'ENV["FOO"] = "bar"; system("echo $FOO")'
<judofyr> that last one should work fine
<chekcmate> that means that I should not be able to "echo $MYDIR" in some terminal and get the correct answer?
<judofyr> depends on what sets it
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<judofyr> but no, you can't run "ruby foo.rb" and then suddenly $MYDIR is set
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<judofyr> same for "bash foo.sh"
<judofyr> but ". foo.sh" will work (because it doesn't spawn a new subprocess)
<chekcmate> hm, I set $MYDIR before using ruby at all
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<chekcmate> oh
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<chekcmate> judofyr: alright, will try! thanks
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<cwood> Good afternoon. Is there a channel bot I can bother?
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<cwood> In absence of a channel bot, what is your preferred SOAP library that can handle multiple nested soap arrays?
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<chris2> there is more than one?
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<chris2> use the one that works :P
<cwood> I've been having trouble with soap4r on ruby1.9, and savon seems to have topped out for me like perl's XML::Simple.
<injekt> savon
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<cwood> It's probably my issues, but I haven't yet figured out how to implement things like this in savon: https://devcentral.f5.com/wiki/iControl.LocalLB__ProfileClientSSL__set_key_certificate_file.ashx
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<havenwood> cwood: Handsoap maybe? https://github.com/unwire/handsoap
<havenwood> REST :P
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<injekt> soap, not even once
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<antbody> injekt: you should try it, it's fun and, and...
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<cwood> injekt: I might agree with you except that some vendors do SOAP and that's it.
<cwood> So it's SOAP or doing things by hand.
<crankharder> how do I alias_method_chain a bang method? I can't exactly define "save!_with_my_cool_new_method"
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<injekt> eh
<injekt> alias_method_chain :save, :save_with_my_cool_new_method!
<injekt> save! *
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<injekt> crankharder: save!, :my_cool_new_method! adds save_with_my_cool_new_method!
<injekt> it'll strip the bang
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<Mon_Ouie> minus the bang in the second argument
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<Mon_Ouie> (alias_method_chain :foo!, :stuff => foo_with_stuff!)
<injekt> ah yes ty
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<crankharder> ty
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<cwood> Off to soap things up, thank you for your assistance.
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<andrewvos> uh?
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<andrewvos> what's going on now?
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<injekt> antbody: we're getting soapy
<injekt> er
<injekt> andrewvos: ^
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<firefux> and nude?
<injekt> i believe clothing is optional
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<Uranio> how could I ask to a string if it is a special character?
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<darix> define special
<Uranio> á
<darix> that is not special
<darix> that is a normal string
<Uranio> "not alfanumeric" I guest
<darix> stop living in the 7bit ascii world
<Uranio> á is a encoding char
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<darix> no
<darix> it is a normal character that can be encoded differently depending on the encoding you pick
<darix> latin2, utf-8, ucs4
<Uranio> darix: I reamaing the mail gem problem
<darix> they might have different bytes representing it...
<Uranio> I need to supress al that characters
<Mon_Ouie> delete "^a-zA-Z0-9"
<darix> Uranio: no you need to learn how to fix your encoding problem.
<Uranio> but there is "><{}()*&$#@!"
<Uranio> I was thinking this
<Uranio> 'ö'.bytes
<Uranio> is the answer is more than 255
<Uranio> delte it
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<injekt> delete it if the char code is not between 040 and 175?
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<Uranio> injekt: yee... I guest the specil characters begin at >255
<Uranio> it aslo dno't work
<Uranio> it also don't work
<injekt> what did you try?
<forrest> á is at unicode code point 225, which is not >255
<forrest> maybe you mean >127
<drbrain> Uranio: Gem::Format has been replaced by Gem::Packgae
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<injekt> Packgae
<injekt> just to screw you up
<Uranio> is was jsut testing rails in ruby 2
<drbrain> Uranio: you should file a ticket with rails, point them to http://rubygems.rubyforge.org/rubygems-update/History_txt.html
<drbrain> Uranio: if you get the error from bundler, make sure you are using the 1.3 prerelease
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<injekt> drbrain: it's bundler and it's been fixed
<injekt> yeah that was the issue
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<drbrain> ah, good
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<rwjblue> Are at_exit blocks registered into an array that I can access from a test? I want to assert that a given method sets an at_exit block..
<rwjblue> I didn't find anything obvious from a quick google...
<drbrain> rwjblue: you can't access the registered at_exit blocks at runtime
<rwjblue> drbrain: OK, thank you
<drbrain> rwjblue: you can use IO.popen to test at_exit prints something
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<rwjblue> drbrain: I am trying to ensure that a pidfile is deleted at_exit; so I could spawn a new process and ensure that it creates/then deletes the file?
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<drbrain> rwjblue: yes
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<drbrain> rwjblue: if possible, I would make pidfile deletion a separate method
<drbrain> so you can test it without popen, then you only need to test your at_exit handler
<drbrain> … via popen
<crankharder> how am i supposed to specify json >= 1.5.5, < 1.6 and future 1.5.x releases?
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<drbrain> crankharder: '~> 1.5', '>= 1.5.5'
<crankharder> ah, didn't know it could take two params
<rwjblue> drbrain: OK, gotcha; so just call that delete method from the at_exit block? Then I can test the method independantly...
<drbrain> as many as you like so long as it is a continuous range
<drbrain> rwjblue: that's how I usually design it
<rwjblue> drbrain: OK, cool thanks for your help
<drbrain> even if you end up with at_exit { delete_pidfile } in your implementation, it's easier to test delete_pidfile without having to jump through IO.popen every time
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<rwjblue> drbrain: great!
<Uranio> OMG! ascii_only?
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<jtoy> is there a way I can get all the command lines options of a script into a hash without actually parsing it? I mean with option parser I need to tell it what every option actually is, I just want the whole thing passed into a hash without me having to parse it
<canton7> jtoy, like how trollop does it?
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<canton7> except you *are* parsing the command-line flags... but I don't think that's how you meant it
<jtoy> canton7: not exactly,
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<canton7> care to clarify then?
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<jtoy> i just want --random 1 --random2 8 -random3 4 to show up in a hash opts without me having to explicitly state random2 random3 , the reason i want this is because I take those options raw and pass a hash to a class which then parses the data
<jtoy> if i have to explicitly parse the opts, then i am basically doing this twice
<jtoy> canton7: you see what I mean?
<rwjblue> canton7: I've used something like 'ARGV.include?('-blah') && ARGV[ARGV.index('-blah') + 1]' on occasion so I didn't have to care about the argument order. (I did eventually go with optparse though...)
<canton7> do you want to be passing ARGV straight off?
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<jtoy> canton7: yes, I should convert it to a hash myself
<rwjblue> Hash[['-c','blah','-z','boo'].each_slice(2).to_a]
<jtoy> rwjblue: yes, nice
<rwjblue> jtoy: that makes some assumptions though
<jtoy> rwjblue: right, that means every flag has an option
<rwjblue> exactly, so if you have one that doesn't you will have to remove it from ARGV first...
<canton7> yeah, that's thepotential problem. the reason that command-line flag parsers need information before they start parsing, is that that information is needed for parsing to happen
<rwjblue> canton7: exactly
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<lianj> rwjblue: Hash[*['-c','blah','-z','boo']]
<rwjblue> lianj: nice
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<jtoy> you probably could make it smart enough just by checking if the next one has a -/-- or not, then the only other thing the option parsing does is have default values, a nice looking help, and changing types of values
<canton7> and often some degree of validation, which ties into the help
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<rwjblue> It really depends on what you are after. If it is a command line script that is only callable by code that you control (or you can assume so), then something simple would work, but as soon as you start getting outside input watch out!
<jtoy> rwjblue: yes, its all controllable by me
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<injekt> jtoy: Slop.parse(autocomplete: true).to_hash :D
<jtoy> injekt: what is slop?
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<injekt> irb(main):004:0> Slop.parse(%w'--name Foo', autocreate: true).to_hash
<injekt> => {:name=>"Foo"}
<injekt> autocreate sorry, not autocomplete
<injekt> it auto-creates options on the fly so you dont have to specify any
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<jtoy> injekt: cool. that is sweet
<jtoy> injekt: i will try this, this probably fixes it
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<whitequark> injekt: that is as bad as openstruct :/
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<injekt> whitequark: what?
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<whitequark> injekt: option autocreation
<injekt> whitequark: why is that 'as bad as openstruct'?
<injekt> it's an opt-in feature that's useful
<whitequark> injekt: what would an use case be?
<injekt> whitequark: ask jtoy, he's using it
<jtoy> whitequark: i pass options directly to a class that parses the options, so i don't want to parse them twice
<jtoy> it saves me time
<whitequark> jtoy: i guessed it was something like that
<injekt> whitequark: anyway, all it means is that you don't have to be explicit, what's wrong with that? I'm still confused as to why it's 'as bad as openstruct'
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<whitequark> injekt: it encourages building bad UI. for example, I'm fairly certain that jtoy's program doesn't respond to --help properly
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<injekt> that's up to the person using the library
<jtoy> whitequark: i want it for simple scripts, but for more production items ill probably use optionparse
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<whitequark> injekt: it is also up to a PHP programmer to use mysql_real_escape_string
<whitequark> spaghetti-encouraging features in popular libraries make me sad :)
<whitequark> *:(
<injekt> slop is fine for doing anything optparse does, whitequark is just saying you should be explicit with your options and not rely on something like autocreate
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<injekt> which i agree with
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<jtoy> injekt: yup
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<naquad> can i somehow load gem not from bundle when using bundler?
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<whitequark> naquad: but what is the point of using bundler then
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<naquad> whitequark, i have 3rd party application in production mode. seems that i've misconfigured it, but can't figure out which parameter is wrong. what i have is exception, so the plan is: bypass bundler, load debugger, start debugger in method raising exception, figure out what's wrong, revert all changes
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<whitequark> naquad: you're better off simply adding your gem to the bundle
<naquad> whitequark, and i won't be able to install because i have only user on this system
<naquad> while gem is configured to install gems locally
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<whitequark> export GEM_HOME=~/.gem
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<whitequark> export GEM_PATH=~/.gem:/your/old/gem/path
<whitequark> should do it
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<naquad> whitequark, thanks, that helped
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<whitequark> naquad: cool, I was just guessing
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<tjgillies> is there a way to inspect what file a class was required from?
<tjgillies> or any sort of provenance?
<whitequark> tjgillies: a class, no
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<whitequark> but there is #source_location in Method and Proc
<tjgillies> whitequark: what abotu a module?
<whitequark> tjgillies: same
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<mythogen> tjgillies: why would you want to?
<tjgillies> mythogen: im trying to figure out which gem is including this module, since its not my source
<mythogen> tjgillies: Ah, ouch. Sounds like the old fashioned way will serve you best: remove gems until it stops doing whatever it is that it's doing.
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<tjgillies> mythogen: meh, ok thnx
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<tjgillies> whitequark: wow never knew about source_location, thats awesome thanks
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<whitequark> mythogen: no
<whitequark> > Module.tap { |mod| p mod.methods.map { |m| mod.method(m).source_location }.compact.map { |l| l[0] }.uniq }
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<tjgillies> heh turns out someone was monkey patching the module but not requirin the gem
<tjgillies> so it was just an empty module
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<flexd> Anyone else getting lots of pm spam?
<flexd> where lots = at least 2 random nicks.
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<tbuehlmann> negative
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<flexd> something about freenode sucking and getting lots of spam
<flexd> oddly enough that's the only spam i've ever gotten
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<drbrain> flexd: I seem to get some spam about every 18-24 months
<flexd> I hope the irony of getting spam complaining about too much spam is not lost on anyone by the way :-P
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<whitequark> flexd: #freenode
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<flexd> Can't be arsed. both nicks both offline and I closed the windows so I do not know the nicks :)
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<zenspider> oddly i don't think I've ever gotten any
<zenspider> yet, start using twitter and BAM
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<whitequark> zenspider: I found twitter spam to be very clustered and keyword-driven
<whitequark> oddly enough you can never know in advance if that particular word will trigger a crapstream
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<whitequark> oh how timely ._. speak of the devil...
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<zzak> just mention the word 'marketing'
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<whitequark> zzak: I'm counting minutes
<whitequark> also I wonder if twitter spammers could cooperate and detect users who report them (they can see if I blocked them) and thus increase ROI
<whitequark> or maybe I shouldn't give them ideas
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