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<rindolf> Hi all. http://rubygems.org/gems/rubygems - where is the ruby-RubyGems gem?
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<KINGSABRI> hi
<KINGSABRI> how I get the slot value in qt? bcz "connect" return true/false only
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<KINGSABRI> for ex.
<KINGSABRI> connect(@pushButton_obj, SIGNAL(:clicked), @textEdit_obj, SLOT(:copy))
<KINGSABRI> I need to get the copied data from the textEdit slot
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<chekcmate> hi hi hi
* chekcmate wondered why over 5000 police men arrived here yesterday
<chekcmate> then I read about nazis marching every 13th febr
<chekcmate> I'll go throw snowballs at them hihahaha
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<yorickpeterse> and get your shit kicked in
<chekcmate> why? I usually fuck around with about 5 people, throw the meanest word I can think of and start punching their faces in... it's not that unusual...
<chekcmate> they eventually start attacking me with all they have, making me kiss the floor, but hey... I had my fun
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<chekcmate> + it's no lose if some nazis lose teeths :)
<chekcmate> *loss?
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<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: are you supporting nazis?
<yorickpeterse> No?
<yorickpeterse> What the fuck makes you think that?
<chekcmate> I did not think that
<chekcmate> but how can I know without asking?
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<chekcmate> Though I did not expect you to be one
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<ddfreyne> trololo
<chekcmate> I guess you're too smart for that, but they also have people with brains
<jaska> dunno why feb 13
<chekcmate> which are scarier than the ones with a lot of muscle imo
<chekcmate> jaska: bombing of dresden
<jaska> ah
<jaska> was wondering if they were celebrating the founding of "national negro league" :D
<chekcmate> lol
<yorickpeterse> chekcmate: are you supporting the illuminati?
<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: yes, I donate 5€ every months to illuminati@mail.com via paypal!
<chekcmate> as you can see, it worked
<chekcmate> the pope is no more!
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<yorickpeterse> For somebody being part of the illuminati you're not very good at keeping it a secret
<chekcmate> im not part, im just supporting
<chekcmate> they are led by a golden cow, if you haven't known that
<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: i've been thinking.. we should probably get our own underground-gang going
<jaska> doh, trolluminati already exists
<yorickpeterse> You're not good enough for such exclusivity
<chekcmate> sartre would approve!
<chekcmate> wait, wrong character
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<chekcmate> what was that uber-troll called again...?
<yorickpeterse> "checkmate"?
<yorickpeterse> Also hm, corn tea is weird
<yorickpeterse> Not sure if I like it or not
<chekcmate> CROWLEY
<chekcmate> ^-- that guy was funny!
<chekcmate> aleister crowley
<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: did you get that in your local asia store?
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<yorickpeterse> No, I got it as a valentine's day gift
<yorickpeterse> along with a fuckton of other goodies
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<chekcmate> :D
<chekcmate> did you anger your wife?
<lianj> i thought men made gift and got get some
<lianj> well they 'get some'
<yorickpeterse> chekcmate: my wife? ha, I'm not married
<yorickpeterse> Mind you I'm only 20 so that would be a bit early
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<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: well... there are people getting pregnant at 12... you could also be a widower at 20.
<yorickpeterse> So first you think I'm a nazi and now I'm a breeder
<yorickpeterse> I just prefer calling myself "nerd" but I suppose that's too mainstream :)
<chekcmate> are you a basement dweller?
<rindolf> I hope you people can behave a little.
<yorickpeterse> ha, no
<rindolf> Avoid name calling and labelling.
<chekcmate> that term is not too mainstream, if you want to say "im at the computer all day"
<rindolf> Anyway, I need help with a ruby gem.
<yorickpeterse> rindolf: what are you, a rindolf?
<chekcmate> rindolf: we did not insult anyone
<rindolf> yorickpeterse: well, my real name is Shlomi Fish - I'm an Israeli geek/nerd.
<rindolf> chekcmate: OK.
<yorickpeterse> chekcmate: I actually enjoy the sun, so no
<rindolf> yorickpeterse: I call myself a Tel Aviv-based software developer, essayist and writer and all around Evil™ guy.
<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: I have heard of basements, being made of glass, allowing sun to come in!
<rindolf> yorickpeterse: some of the stuff I wrote online is very farfetched.
<chekcmate> I always wanted to meet someone from Tel Aviv!
* rindolf doesn't thinks he's sane.
<yorickpeterse> chekcmate: you mean like a patio?
<rindolf> chekcmate: nice.
<yorickpeterse> rindolf: I just call myself a nerd, because that's what I am
<chekcmate> yorickpeterse is a hipster, we all got it now...
<rindolf> chekcmate: there are some other Tel Avivers on ##programming and elsewhere.
<rindolf> yorickpeterse: OK.
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<chekcmate> heh, no I mean in person - irc is nice too though heh
<rindolf> yorickpeterse: I may not have a lot of real-life social life, but I think I'm more than a nerd.
<rindolf> yorickpeterse: nerd or geek?
<rindolf> yorickpeterse: I don't mind calling myself a geek.
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<chekcmate> boy, that escalated quickly
<rindolf> Well, there are humanities geeks too.
<yorickpeterse> rindolf: nerd
<yorickpeterse> I have no problem accepting what I am
<rindolf> Anyway, where is the RubyGems ruby gem?
<yorickpeterse> rindolf: you mean the actual "rubygems" gem?
<rindolf> yorickpeterse: OK, I admit that I'm a nerd/dork.
<rindolf> yorickpeterse: we call it ruby-RubyGems in Mageia-land.
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<yorickpeterse> there are a few, "rubygems-update" and gemcutter (I believe)
<chekcmate> rindolf: do you want to join our new underground-gang?
<yorickpeterse> the latter adds some extra commands such as gem yank
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<chekcmate> back to work~
<rindolf> chekcmate: work HARD then rest HARD!
<chekcmate> reminds me of my last viagra experience...
<chekcmate> didnt really work out
<rindolf> chekcmate: that was an overshare.
<chekcmate> tmi?
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<rindolf> chekcmate: yes, exactly.
<chekcmate> that'll happen a lot.
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<yorickpeterse> chekcmate: are you smoking stuff?
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<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: yes
<chekcmate> I just went smoking a cigarette
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<zenspider> ARGH! stupid bug!
<yorickpeterse> did it get stuck in the mainframe?
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<certainty> yeah
<certainty> let's stick it into this book
<yorickpeterse> 50 years later: "LOOK AT LE GEM I FOUND IN LE BOOK"
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<injekt> helo
<workmad3> morning
* workmad3 isn't in SMTP mode today
<injekt> it's habit
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<soahccc> Hmmm what is the reason for the #succ method? I can imagine a use case for strings but for fixnum? It would be useful if there would be a #succ! too and/or a way to decrease... What is the purpose?
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<banisterfiend> soahccc: #succ is a general interface required for use in a Range type
<workmad3> soahccc: well, succ! just couldn't work in ruby without introducing a non-value-type that wraps around a Fixnum
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<Gue______> hey!
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<Qwak> hola
<soahccc> Hmm then I have to stick with += 1 ;(
<injekt> what's wrong with += 1 ?
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<Qwak> injekt dunno :-)
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<zenspider> succ! ? is it wednesday already?
<injekt> no you just changed it to thursday
<soahccc> injekt: It's not wrong but I always missed the in/decrementor operator in ruby... I thought I could use the even good named #succ method but I would have to use a string then :)
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<zenspider> soahccc: or... you could use a range and stop doing things yourself
<zenspider> or upto or or or
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<soahccc> yeah I usually tend to abstract incrementing values into my handlers directly... At some point you still need a solution but it isn't in my "normal" controlling code
<zenspider> ok. sweet. my hashing bug was on ruby 1.8's hashing algorithm. ignoring that and I think this thing is ready to go
<zenspider> _abstract_ incrementing values?
<judofyr> zenspider: what thing is ready to go?
<zenspider> judofyr: I'm adding persistence to flay with a stable hash algorithm
<zenspider> that'll make it possible to serialize flay results over time. compare across projects. detect cross-gem plagerism or good opportunities for gemification
<banisterfiend> zenspider: are you getting a cut of the profits from codeclimate?
<zenspider> banisterfiend: heh. no
<zenspider> didn't even comp me an account! :P
<banisterfiend> wow, im sure he would if u pinged him though, but that's a bit undignified :))
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<zenspider> I can flog and flay my own code
<zenspider> and do, as part of my low-tech CI
<ezkl> zenspider: Yeah, but what about receiving an email update saying that your code sucks 4 hours after the fact ...
<zenspider> ezkl: I already know what code of mine sucks
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<zenspider> oddly... it's all the code that codeclimate uses to tell you that your code sucks :)
<zenspider> judofyr: now I need a "proper" persistence layer. I'm currently just hacking it out with Marshal
<zenspider> I was hoping to do this in maglev, but I don't think it is ready for it yet
<judofyr> zenspider: ah, persistence layers. always tricky :/
<judofyr> zenspider: these days I just go for Sequel + SQLite3
<zenspider> sequel is too dirty to use and I need to store real objects :/
<judofyr> too dirty? why real objects?
<zenspider> too dirty == not even -w clean so it spews shit all over
<zenspider> real objects because that's what flay needs to store
<zenspider> persistent flay is a mapping of: { path => { hashcode => [ sexp, ... ] } }
<zenspider> it is perfect for maglev
<zenspider> but there's bugs in maglev centered around loading cextensions the way RubyInline makes and loads them
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<zenspider> maybe I should look at doing marshal blobs on sqlite3 :/
<zenspider> man that's gonna bite
<zenspider> hrm... or multi-file marshal... that's stupider and wouldn't be too much different
<zenspider> allow for incremental loads / updates
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<zenspider> gah. I should sleep
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<soahccc> zenspider: Lucky man on the other side of the world :) I have my lunch in a minute
<zenspider> lucky?
<zenspider> I can barely keep my eyes open
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<certainty> zenspider: close them
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<zenspider> can't... not yet
<imperator> ola
<judofyr> ola imperator
<imperator> what's happening?
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<injekt> we're getting older
<workmad3> injekt: speak for yourself :P
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<injekt> workmad3: you figured out the getting older problem?
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<workmad3> injekt: yup
<workmad3> injekt: I just decided not to do it :P
<injekt> I never tried that
<injekt> I knew I was doing something wrong
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<workmad3> well, I haven't died of old age yet, so it must be working
<injekt> but neither have i
<workmad3> yeah, but you haven't decided to not get older :P
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<zenspider> ok. all committed and synced up to github... sleep may be had
<imperator> i haven't been getting older for a while, not since i started drinking snake venom
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<yorickpeterse> back in my days!
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<imperator> yorickpeterse, you're aware we've moved past punch cards, right? ;)
<jaska> get off my lawn!
<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: back in your days hahaha
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<yorickpeterse> imperator: It was my understanding that Fort was still the language of choice for many
<yorickpeterse> also I've never heard of the WWW
<chekcmate> yorickpeterse is more of a MMA guy rather than WWW...
<yorickpeterse> hurrhurr
<chekcmate> sorry, couldn't think of anything better, I just came back from lunch
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<chekcmate> brain only gets about 5% energy now... stomache takes it all
<imperator> go Fort and conquer
<yorickpeterse> Go Forth and Proc.create
* yorickpeterse isn't very good at this
<imperator> Fort, it's Forth, but with a NY accent
<yorickpeterse> whatever
<chekcmate> ny accent?
<imperator> there's also Fortress :)
<imperator> chekcmate, youts
<chekcmate> nuts?
* imperator assumes everyone from NY talks like the guy in My Cousin Vinny
<yorickpeterse> note to self: don't Google for "nutz" when trying to look for that Ice age image (or w/e it was)
<yorickpeterse> especially not with safe search off
<chekcmate> yea... you probably searched for "ice age" while googling "nutz"
<imperator> scary
<chekcmate> we all know about your passion for nuts, yorick
<yorickpeterse> literally the first image was one of a redneck sitting in the front of his truck with his nuts out
<chekcmate> lawl
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<chekcmate> your new desktop background I assume?
<yorickpeterse> Keep your cheap shots for monday
<chekcmate> do you remember the kid whose mom canceled his wow account?
<injekt> order("(substring(unit, '^[0-9]+'))::int, substring(unit, '[^0-9_].*$')") sigh
<chekcmate> he tried shoving a remote control into his ass while raging
<injekt> oops wrong window
<chekcmate> that's my background.
<yorickpeterse> chekcmate: yes, and the guys admitted it is fake
<yorickpeterse> injekt: lol
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<chekcmate> who cares, it looks great on my desktop!
<imperator> jeez, i guess i'm old fashion, and just put pictures of pretty women as my background ;)
<yorickpeterse> I have some lava stuff going on, I never look at it anyway
<jaska> #000000 is the proper desktop background color :D
<imperator> i suspect i'd rather not
<chekcmate> it's nothing "ugh"
<chekcmate> just some kid rolling around
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<yorickpeterse> just kids doing dem kid thangs
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<ggreer> I'm a fan of lighter backgrounds
<chekcmate> ggreer: that's nice too
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<chekcmate> I mean yours is nice too*
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<chekcmate> how are those little figures called which dance on your desktop and do stuff there?
<chekcmate> *what
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<injekt> i cannot stand light backgrounds
<injekt> my eyes are all fuck you bro
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<jaska> i can stand a light background.. on e-ink displays :)
<yorickpeterse> injekt: lol ur a hcker?
<yorickpeterse> ur part of anonymoose?
<injekt> yorickpeterse: lol srsly
<yorickpeterse> also your notification bar is too crowded
<injekt> lie
* GarethAdams doesn't like an always-visible dock
<injekt> my notification bar is too crowded when it hits the apps last drop down menu
<yorickpeterse> injekt: still messy
<injekt> :D
<yorickpeterse> work laptop: http://is.gd/tUlkIu
<yorickpeterse> personal laptop is the same
<ggreer> 1024x748?
<injekt> heh, dropbox and drive dont really need to be on mine, same with postgres or the apple tv, but im too lazy to remove them
<ggreer> 1280x800
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<yorickpeterse> ggreer: 1280x800
<yorickpeterse> personal laptop is 1600x900
<injekt> not really sure why caffeine is on there, i never turn that off
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<ggreer> background. drives. not much else
<injekt> is that icon Terminal.app?
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<ggreer> when I'm actually doing work it gets pretty messy: http://abughrai.be/pics/screenshots/Screen%20Shot%202013-02-02%20at%208.48.35%20PM.png
<ggreer> where?
<ggreer> in the upper-right? that's visor
<injekt> ahh
<injekt> yeah i never got on with visor
<ggreer> whatever
<injekt> i dont like stuff that disappears
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<injekt> unless i tell it to :D
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<injekt> mine is kinda the same, terminal, browser, and subl
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<ggreer> I use textmate 1.5 most of the time. sublime text is for pair programming
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<rking> ggreer: How does Sublime help pairing?
<ggreer> you might be able to tell from the screenshot. my friend and I wrote a plugin for remote pair programming
<ggreer> whatever I type in sublime shows up in his sublime, and vice-versa
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<ggreer> sublime text has a rather nice plugin system, unlike TM1.5
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<ggreer> the current plugin isn't easy to set up, but we're working on improving it
<rking> ggreer: Are you doing it as an open thing?
<yorickpeterse> open sores
<injekt> I need a set like object which doesn't contain duplicates but instead of discarding them it should overwrite them, do you think inheriting from set and doing def add(o); delete(o) if include?(o); super; end; is the best approach?
<ggreer> the plugin is open source, but the server isn't. if my business goes belly-up I promise to open source that too :)
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<ggreer> not at all ready for prime-time
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<ggreer> I was surprised at the amount of code I had to write. even though I used a diff-match-patch library, true operational transformation is hard
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<rking> Yeah.
<rking> I'd be continuously tempted to use a different layer for it, like sshfs/nfs, vnc, tmux, etc.
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<ggreer> yeah it's tough. as soon as you have editor-sharing you want terminal sharing
<rking> Exactly.
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<rking> Then browser-sharing's next.
<ggreer> and then maybe sharing of browser pages... and at that point..
<ggreer> yeah
<rking> Actually, I wonder if there's a browser plugin like what you did.
<ggreer> but the tricky part is that people use different editors and different terminals and different browsers
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<rking> Because it's something missing from my tmux-pairing world.
<ggreer> I looked around and I couldn't find any for chrome. I thought about toying with that but decided against it for now
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<rking> I haven't decided how much I want to force people to know vim.
<ggreer> terminal sharing is a must though. it's really annoying to read backtraces or paste them into a scratch buffer
<rking> ggreer: Just add tmux to the mix.
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<rking> ggreer: adduser whatever; sudo su - whatever then mkdir ~/.ssh; curl -L github.com/theirid.keys > ~/.ssh/authorized_keys; chmod a-rwx -R ~/.ssh
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<ggreer> yeah... I also want to enforce permissions. maybe some people can read but not write to the terminal
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<rking> Then after that, make a tmux with chmod 777'd socket
<rking> That's nazi.
<rking> Nobody needs that. =)
<ggreer> heh
<ggreer> the forkpty syscall looks like my best bet
<rking> ?
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<darix> for browser stuff you could look into chrome remoting
<ggreer> it lets you fork a currently-open shell session and read and write to stdin/stdout/stderr
<rking> I can imagine wanting to get some outside-the-terminal editor to sync, as you did, but I can zero imagine why someone would want to reimplement a terminal sharer when the above sequence is 100% of what it takes to get it working with tmux.
<ggreer> various tools use it for recording screencasts (codestream, for example)
<ggreer> well that doesn't work with firewalls. you have to add each person explicitly. it trusts the other people to not harm your computer, etc
<rking> Right.
<rking> And you're going to have to do all of that yourself, anyway.
<rking> But firewalls are super easy. SSH port forward through a public node.
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<judofyr> injekt: seems like using a Hash would be simpler: a = {}; a[foo] = foo; a[bar] = bar (will update if foo == bar); a.values
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<injekt> judofyr: the thing is im using my own defined objects and some of the comparison attributes are optional
<injekt> meaning .hash is pointless I guess
<injekt> i guess im over thinking this and should just use an array
<judofyr> injekt: well Set uses .hash too, so, yeah
<injekt> right
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<chekcmate> injekt: do you guys also promote vacation homes?
<chekcmate> or was it only selling objects?
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<injekt> chekcmate: it's built more for advertising to sell
<chekcmate> andrewvos: that's great haha
<chekcmate> injekt: alright :)
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<yianna> hi
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<yianna> Anyone here ever work on Chris Pine's learning to program book?
<injekt> yianna: sure
<injekt> yianna: if you have a question though please be more specific than pointing out a chapter of the book :)
<yianna> chapter 7
<injekt> :/
<injekt> seriously?
<yianna> 7.5 a few things to try
<yianna> lol
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<yianna> i just want a hint don't wanna see the answer =P
<injekt> yianna: I just said "please be more specific than POINTING OUT A CHAPTER OF THE BOOK"
<injekt> then you do exactly that
<yianna> oh... i should wear my glasses
<injekt> yianna: tell us what the problem is
<yianna> forget it i'll just idle til i have a real problem
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<judofyr> yianna: it's been a while since I've read the book, but yeah, it's usually better to have clear problems/examples to discuss :)
<yianna> i was being talkative. was hoping to find someone at a beginner level to chat with
<chekcmate> <-
<judofyr> :)
* chekcmate is a beginner too
<yianna> the problem has to do with counting down 99 bottles of beer on the wall
<chekcmate> ok?
<yianna> i wanted it to loop and print on screen the song and countdown then break the loop when the condition 0 is met
<chekcmate> are you fiddling around right now?
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<chekcmate> *tinkering
<judofyr> yianna: there's a nice 99.downto(1) { … } iterator in Ruby :-)
<yianna> sssooooo i have no idea what method to use. i know of .next but wtf is the opposite of that
<yianna> ahhhh
<arsinh> Oh, judofyr spoiled it while I was getting the link. I was trying to be more subtle :P
<yianna> how is someone suppose to find that info on their own though? its not like i can search the api by definition
<injekt> "99 to 1 in ruby"
<yianna> thank you guys =)
<arsinh> yianna: At this point in the book, I think they expected you to use `while(i > 0) { ...; i -= 1 }`
<arsinh> Well, number_of_bottles would probably be better than i.
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<yianna> hmmm guess i'll just look at the answer, been toiling around in this chapter for too long
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<TTilus> damn if they offer while as a solution
<TTilus> Yianna: what was it?
<injekt> what's wrong with that?
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<TTilus> nothing per se, 99.downto(1) { … } just reads way better, matter of taste
<zzak> good morning!
<TTilus> good evening
<injekt> TTilus: sure, that book is for teaching people programming (via ruby) though
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<TTilus> injekt: guess it depends on whether while was the point in itself or just freestyle nownwards enumeration
<injekt> TTilus: I disagree, I think they should use downto if it was teaching ruby specifically, but the point is to teach programming constructs via ruby, so while is a perfect fit
<injekt> zzak: hey! how did it go?
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<TTilus> injekt: that was my point exactly, whil-structure/pattern was the subject
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<injekt> ah ok
<TTilus> "this youll see alot"
<arsinh> TTilus: Of course downto reads better. But we can't go around teaching people the entirety of the ruby api before they even understand what a loop is.
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<zzak> injekt: i suck :(
<injekt> zzak: uh oh, why?
<zzak> just not a good public speaker
<injekt> well me too, but do you suck because you think you suck or do you suck because you actually sucked
<zzak> but jim was awesome to see
<injekt> weirich? or however the heck you spell that
<zzak> i just dont have enough practice, that was my 3rd time talking
<injekt> sure, practice makes perfect
<zzak> yeh, from rake
<injekt> cool
<zzak> he was super nice
<injekt> yeah i hear that a lot
<zzak> they have both our talks on youtube
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<injekt> got it :)
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<injekt> zzak: give yourself credit, you're way better than i was expecting or how i would do
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<zzak> injekt: thank you! :D
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<yorickpeterse> ugh, first world developer problems: no font hinting makes focusing easier, slight hinting makes fonts look awesome but too blurry
<yorickpeterse> errr, s/no font hinting/full hinting/
<yorickpeterse> Lunix, y u no give me slight hinted but sharp fonts
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<heftig> yorickpeterse: any custom freetype?
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<yorickpeterse> I tried pretty much every patch out there
<yorickpeterse> infinality, cairo-ubuntu, etc
<yorickpeterse> Just to be sure I booked an appointment to have my eyes checked out this weekend
<heftig> i'm running freetype2-git with full hinting
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<yorickpeterse> Like I said, full hinting is easy to focus on but looks like total garbage
<yorickpeterse> lemme get a screenshot
<heftig> yorickpeterse: which font and size?
<injekt> bitstream vera fonts ftw
<yorickpeterse> heftig: I tried Dejavu sans mono, monaco, inconsolata and consolas
<yorickpeterse> But all of them have the same results
<yorickpeterse> sizes are 10px btw
<yorickpeterse> anything bigger is too big
<yorickpeterse> full hinting: http://is.gd/C91GLe
<heftig> using 11px here
<yorickpeterse> slight hinting: http://is.gd/daJro0
<heftig> well, 11pt
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<heftig> hang on
<yorickpeterse> tbh I'd rather go with ugly/full hinting because I can at least read shit
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<heftig> yorickpeterse: http://ompldr.org/vaGc5aQ
<heftig> consolas 11pt, full hinting
<yorickpeterse> hm, that seems way better than what I get with slight hinting
<heftig> yorickpeterse: you're missing subpixel rendering
<yorickpeterse> Tried that as well
<yorickpeterse> Can't really notice a difference with it set to RGB/off
<heftig> yorickpeterse: http://sprunge.us/EfAN
<heftig> my /etc/fonts/local.conf
<yorickpeterse> what's the prefer_outline stuff?
<heftig> not sure anymore
<heftig> i hate bitmap fonts
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<yorickpeterse> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0Y1gtNEQ what I have for slight hinting
<heftig> yorickpeterse: you can combine all those matches into one
<yorickpeterse> oh?
<heftig> look at what i did
<yorickpeterse> oh neat
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<heftig> i use append for rgba because it allows the app to override it (so the "rgb" is just a default)
<heftig> useful because i rotate my monitor sometimes
<heftig> (so it becomes vbgr)
<yorickpeterse> The annoying thing is that with slight hinting stuff looks fine in, say, Chromium, but blurry in my terminal and (g)vim
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<yorickpeterse> probably due to the size differences
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<heftig> anyway, dinner time, bbl
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<yorickpeterse> Hmmm, I think I can live with Monaco 9
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<yorickpeterse> Sizes under 10 for that font don't get anti aliased which makes it much easier to read
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<crankharder> looking for a way to have a ruby script output some info/status message and then return a variable to the parent bash script, but it seems that all puts statements end up in the bash variable i'm setting:
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<owen1> i try to kill my ruby app with kill <pid> but it's still alive! that's how i run it: ruby /home/t/rvm/gems/ruby-1.9.2-p290@lwes-search-map/bin/rackup config.ru -p 3000
<owen1> (it got the same process id)
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<tylersmith> owen1: did you kill -9?
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<owen1> tylersmith: -9 works, but i would like to be able without it
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<owen1> i use a bash script called mongroup and i think it's doing kill - https://github.com/jgallen23/mongroup/blob/master/bin/mongroup#L167-177
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<TTilus> trap TERM and exit?
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<owen1> TTilus: here is what i got from investigating this issue: kill -9 the process that forked ruby doesn't kill the ruby process - http://pastebin.ca/2313587
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<owen1> kill -9 28247 only kills himself insteaf of 28248! WTF
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<NemesisD> why are pictures of a cow and a panda on the bundler site?
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<injekt> because pandas are awesome and emocow > you
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<rue> Solid reasoning
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<drbrain> I find no flaw in it
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<UziMonkey> think it's a good idea to put unicode characters in code?
<UziMonkey> apparently Ruby files are UTF-8 by default now... and I have written "delta" about 200 times in as many lines :P
<UziMonkey> could say Δ instead
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<UziMonkey> but I suppose I'll never remember how to type it
<UziMonkey> yeah, I did that once
<zzak> good idea? probably not
<UziMonkey> but forgot how to type lambda afterward :P
<UziMonkey> if you could type these things easily, I think it would be a good idea...
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<whitequark> UziMonkey: it is easy on OSes with compose key
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<whitequark> i.e. everything except windows
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<yianna> windows? whats that?