<badeball>
ggreer, rue: what's up with the attitute? I think you're making rather large assumptions regarding what I said.
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<yianna>
possibly avoid giving girls attention because they are more rare they get a lot of attention and attention whores will surface due to that fact
<ggreer>
your behavior was rather inappropriate. treat people like people
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<badeball>
ykk, ggreer: this is a textual media and that was a phun. don't make it more that that. I'm a fairly socially calibrated person, around both genders, so you have nothing to worry about.
<badeball>
than that*
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<ykk>
awww well i don't mind, your intentions are understood so no worried hear. however its how your intentions were received by someone else that matters :P aannddd back to code talk
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<KA_>
help
<KA_>
sorry
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<zenspider>
ykk btw machine code and (most) assembly code are 1:1 one is just more readable
<ykk>
ok thank you
<ykk>
researching google for creating an iso natively on mac, anyone know of a way? trying to make an iso of windows to run as vm
<zenspider>
iso like a raw disk image?
<ykk>
i guess so, if that's what's required with parallels or vmware, never did a vm before. guess i should look that up
<badeball>
ykk: I think you can use hdiutil to create an iso image of a cd.
<ykk>
i'll try it, it defaults to dmg but i'll give iso a shot
<zenspider>
generally you grab an install CD image in iso form, nad then fire up parallels or vmware and they'll read it, but they maintain their own HD formats
<zenspider>
CD or DVD I guess
<zenspider>
iso doesn't care
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<ykk>
yeah i'm working on creating the install CD image now
<zenspider>
there are a number of recipes in homebrew that might also work... but yeah. Try disk utility first
<ykk>
not sure it can be done natively on mac, won't save as iso lol might have to write a script for it
<zenspider>
(hdiutil is a cmdline backend for most of disk utility)
<zenspider>
what are you creating the iso from?
<ykk>
retail cd
<ykk>
via usb cd rom
<zenspider>
any reason to not just use that?
<zenspider>
once you get the install done, copy off the installed image to a master location and compress it
<zenspider>
then you have a throw away windows box
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<badeball>
with the cd available, I guess you could just dd if=/dev/<your drive> of=image.iso
<ykk>
oh i can install off the cd-rom via parallels? vmware is free but parallels is pretty popular. should i go with parallels?
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<zenspider>
ykk: I'm not terribly fond of either
<zenspider>
but yes, both will let you install from a physical cd
<zenspider>
I prefer vmware a tad over parallels... the parallels support blows
<ykk>
is there something you recommend? lol, all this for skyrim. need a break from learning here and there
<badeball>
ykk: any reason for not dual booting?
<ykk>
well that simplifies everything thanks zen
<ykk>
yeah cause i like my developer workflow on mac better then windows
<ykk>
so i wanna be able to load up skyrim or whatever win game in a windowed mode on my mac desktop
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<badeball>
you can have two operating systems installed on the same computer, usually without any trouble
<zenspider>
some of us consider rebooting trouble
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<badeball>
that's the down side of it, yeah. on the other side, he'll probably have a smoother experience gaming in a non-virtual environment, depending on his hardware.
<badeball>
(with smoother experience meaning higher output, performance)
<ykk>
zenspider: lol
<badeball>
ykk: there's lots of tutorials showing you how to install windows in parallell with your existing OS, if that's something that might be relevant. googling 'mac dual boot windows' seems to give relevant hits.
<ykk>
thank you already installing :)
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<zenspider>
damnit... I don't remember ANY C++ anymore. :/
<zenspider>
this isn't necessarily a bad thing... but I'm trying to build a really old project of mine and clang++ is a bit more strict
<zenspider>
stupid templates
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<ykk>
../console zen?
<zenspider>
?
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<ykk>
sorry forget it :P was trying to console not console haha
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<zenspider>
I BEAT YOU C++! TAKE THAT!
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<ykk>
been at this for half an hour now. am getting no errors but it's not copying files from me desktop to the targ folder
<ykk>
i left the comments from the author cause.. they are cute and funny
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<badeball>
ykk: File#rename will only move a file, not copy it
<badeball>
ykk: The call to Dir#chdir will change current directory to Desktop/Test/ and the next call to Dir#[] will look for files in Desktop/Test/Desktop/
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<ykk>
oh
<ykk>
gotcha
<ykk>
gotta get recursive
<ykk>
he wrote the program for windows
<ykk>
durp
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<breakingthings>
anyone here know why I can't `require 'mymodule/myklass'`? I've seen other ruby gems on github doing this but for some reason I'm getting a LoadError instead...
<breakingthings>
they're both inside mymodule/lib/mymodule/, so I'm not sure what's happening
<breakingthings>
drbrain: looks like that worked… but I'm not supposed to need to do that every time, right?
<drbrain>
breakingthings: every time
<drbrain>
otherwise ruby doesn't know how to find your files
<breakingthings>
I don't get how other gems aren't doing this
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<breakingthings>
cinch being my example here at least
<breakingthings>
unless I missed something
<drbrain>
they are, for local development
<breakingthings>
oh
<drbrain>
when running tests they tell the rake task
<breakingthings>
so… when it's a gem that problem is no longer an issue?
<breakingthings>
because rubygems is added to the path or something?
<drbrain>
then the rake task runs something like 'ruby -I lib test/test_whatever.rb'
<drbrain>
yes, rubygems adds your gem's lib/ to the load path
<breakingthings>
hmm… that's interesting.
<breakingthings>
Is there anywhere I should be putting the lib path to in any of the gem/rake files, or is it pretty much exclusive to when I need to run something
<drbrain>
the default place for a gem is 'lib' so you don't need to specify it
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<drbrain>
if you put your files in a different directory you can set require_path to those directories
<drbrain>
Rake::TestTask and rspec each have a different way of specifying where your files live
<breakingthings>
hmm
<breakingthings>
alright, that's… fair enough I guess.
<breakingthings>
confusing still, but at least I know what to do now.
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<breakingthings>
so… if I wanted to execute a script to test something in my gem, how would I go about doing that?
<drbrain>
I run ruby -Ilib the_script.rb
<drbrain>
but I write unit tests instead of throw away scripts
<breakingthings>
i am writing unit tests but I wanted to test that I could actually run it because I was getting confused about something and realized I had a bunch of bits I didn't remember to require...
<drbrain>
ah, ok
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<breakingthings>
I'm a teensy bit green with ruby so I'm sort of hitting the ground running, thinking too fast to stop and realize I'm doing something stupid :)
<drbrain>
it's a common beginner question
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* breakingthings
crosses fingers
<breakingthings>
Well, more or less worked, though I screwed up the Ident
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<breakingthings>
hurrah
<breakingthings>
it worked
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<breakingthings>
drbrain: thanks, by the by. You're probably the first one in any ruby channel to actually, y'know, help me out on simple questions.
<drbrain>
np
<breakingthings>
everybody else is dead.
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<boytoy>
currently doing this to remove crlf, trailing whitespace and replacing tabs with whitespaces -- sed 's/\r//; s/[[:space:]]\+$//; s/\t/ /g' $file
<boytoy>
but on openbsd the first one -- s/\r// -- just removes all instances of the letter "r".. and s/\t/ /g just jumbles up all the letters, not entirely sure what's going on there.. i was thinking though.. maybe a ruby equivalent would be neater?
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<boytoy>
sec
<postmodern>
bougyman, rstrip to remove trailing whitespace
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<boytoy>
postmodern: cool
<boytoy>
postmodern: was gonna reiterate:
<boytoy>
currently doing this to remove crlf, trailing whitespace and reducing multiple blank lines to one line -- sed 's/\r//; s/[[:space:]]\+$//; s/\t/ /g' $file | cat -s > $file.tmp -- but it doesn't work across platforms
<boytoy>
how does this look instead? ruby -pe 'gsub(/\s+$/, $/)' $file | ruby -ne 'BEGIN{$\="\n"}; print $_.chomp' $file | cat -s > $file.tmp
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<injekt>
zenspider: I can be a dick at times, but I'm not *that* bad, especially to news :P
<injekt>
newbs*
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<chekcmate>
hi
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<cHarNe2>
i got both 1.8 and 1.9 installed, is there anything i need to know when installing gems? or does it install for both versions?
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<andrewvos>
cHarNe2: it installs for the cersion thats in your path
<andrewvos>
version*
<andrewvos>
that's
<andrewvos>
*
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<cHarNe2>
andrewvos: and if it's not im my path? i just use the path paramiter?
<andrewvos>
cHarNe2: yeah okay
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<yorickpeterse>
hello internet
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<injekt>
moin
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<injekt>
k so who wants to do my work for me today
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<yorickpeterse>
if you pay me one million dollars
<yorickpeterse>
errr, euros
<yorickpeterse>
dollar is shite
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<injekt>
i will take your first answer and pay you one million dorrars
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<yorickpeterse>
You don't have one mirrion dorrars
<injekt>
how do you know that
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<yorickpeterse>
You're a programmer, not some Java consultant
<injekt>
touche
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<injekt>
although I will be hiring soon, the wage will not be one mirrion dorrars
<yorickpeterse>
I'm happy where I am :)
<injekt>
it wasn't an offer, I know you don't like Rails
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<yorickpeterse>
plot twist: I deal with Rails here too
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<injekt>
'deal' as in use/write/maintain all day?
<yorickpeterse>
pretty much
<yorickpeterse>
though we luckily have plenty of non Rails stuff going on
<injekt>
heh
<injekt>
yeah me too
<injekt>
sort of
<injekt>
when I have time for it :/
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<yorickpeterse>
whitequark: ping
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* chekcmate
will buy a tank soon.
<chekcmate>
didn't know tanks were that affordable
<chekcmate>
25k€ für a fully restaurated BMP-1
<chekcmate>
*for
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<badeball>
chekcmate: yeah, it's really cool. amazing that you can buy stuff like that whenever they're replaced.
<badeball>
chekcmate: beware of difficult and expensive maintenance, unless you're a mechanic and able to do it yourself or you're not planning to drive it.
<yorickpeterse>
He'll just open source it and let others fix it
<certainty>
ok maybe not this month, but next month. no problem :)
<chekcmate>
yea, mig-19 too
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<chekcmate>
certainty: wanna sponsor me? hah
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<certainty>
:)
<chekcmate>
i'll sponsor you cookies in return
<chekcmate>
and long hours of full-retard discussions
<certainty>
i can have that for free over in #RubyOnRails :D
<chekcmate>
aw i thought so ._.
<chekcmate>
well... back to work it is~
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<yorickpeterse>
Almost typed `git pull origin amsterdam`
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<yorickpeterse>
well, `git pull origin amst` to be exact
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<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: pong
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<yorickpeterse>
ctcp timeout
<yorickpeterse>
whitequark: so yesterday I realized that I'll probably need some sort of VM and a set of instructions for my linter (bear with me for a second)
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<yorickpeterse>
Because analysing raw AST is a fucking PITA due to all the weird things Ripper gives you
<yorickpeterse>
Is there any universally agreed upon format for such instructions, and does Furnace provide something simple for this?"
<yorickpeterse>
minus the quote
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<yorickpeterse>
The end idea is to then analyse those instructions instead of the AST
<yorickpeterse>
This would also mean that instead of having 1 + N iterations of the entire AST (where N is the amount of analysis classes) I might be able to do it in only 2
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<yorickpeterse>
Though that doesn't per se need a VM + instructions
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<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: um what
<whitequark>
Furnace indeed does feature a storage format for instructions, namely SSA
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<whitequark>
but SSA is best suited for analysis and optimization, not execution
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<yorickpeterse>
correct, which is what I'll be doing
<whitequark>
well, then you're covered :)
<yorickpeterse>
basically the tl;dr is: ASTs sucks for analysis
<whitequark>
well not exactly
<yorickpeterse>
How do I use the SSA? I don't think I found any docs for it
<yorickpeterse>
(the one of Furnace)
<whitequark>
HotSpot uses a "Sea of Nodes" approach, that is a combination of SSA and AST
<yorickpeterse>
I should clarify: an AST generated using Ripper is a pita
<whitequark>
but naïve AST analysis is hard, yes
<whitequark>
ok
<yorickpeterse>
Most recent gripe:
<yorickpeterse>
[foo, bar] produces a completely different AST than [foo, *bar]
<yorickpeterse>
From an execution point of view that makes sense, for analysis it's a pita
<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: Foundry uses an AST preprocessing step for this stuff
<whitequark>
though RP does produce very similar ASTs for these two cases
<yorickpeterse>
I still need to figure out the ins and outs and see if it would actually help. Currently I have about 3 pages of paper written with pseudo operations but I haven't made a decision yet
<whitequark>
whitequark@raidho:~/foundry/lib/foundry/lir/instructions (master){*}$ ls
<whitequark>
that's more or less all what you need
<whitequark>
(pull requests for love.rb accepted)
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<yorickpeterse>
I think I managed to nail it down to about 5 operations
<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: you can nail it down to two operations, function definition and function application ;)
<whitequark>
but that doesn't necessarily make sense
<yorickpeterse>
Well, I was thinking of add, get, set, pop and call
<whitequark>
add? get? set? pop?
<yorickpeterse>
add would create a placeholder for a variable, scope, etc. set is for setting the value, pop for removing it (basically Array#pop) and call for calling methods
<yorickpeterse>
gimme a sec and I'll pastie my idea
<whitequark>
meh, that would make your bytecode huge without any gain
<whitequark>
overgeneralization
<whitequark>
for example, `class A' would expand to tens, if not hundreds, of operations
<whitequark>
what is worse, though, is that while denormalizing original operations to this low-level set of yours, you'll lose a lot of context that a linter is ought to track
<yorickpeterse>
I was planning to do it in such a way that useful info isn't lost
<yorickpeterse>
in essence it would turn into a single level AST without all the Ripper cruft
<whitequark>
um, what?
<whitequark>
single level AST?
<yorickpeterse>
Just give me a minute, trying to fixs 10 things here at once
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<yorickpeterse>
Hm, now that I think of it (read: make a Gist of it) there are some issues with this when dealing with certain expressions
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<yorickpeterse>
My main motivation for something like this is that 1. Nested ASTs make for big stacktraces and in the current model it's not roflscale 2. It would decouple the analysis from the AST, meaning third-party code doesn't have to care if the AST changes (and it will)
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<yorickpeterse>
3. Analysis code doesn't have to put up with Ripper's issues
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<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: first, don't do that 5-opcode-thing
<whitequark>
it indeed is overgeneralization, has enormous cost, but what is the benefit?
<yorickpeterse>
I wasn't going for exactly 5, that's just what I came up with so far
<whitequark>
first you shove a lot of semantics into five opcodes, then you painfully take them apart back to get the original one
<whitequark>
instead, make an opcode for each ruby core concept
<whitequark>
I would only start to worry when there are more than fifty
<whitequark>
next.
<whitequark>
what you wrote indeed represents a stack-based bytecode
<whitequark>
which is also known to be quite hard to analyze, and that's why (in part) SSA was created
<yorickpeterse>
Out of curiosity, how does MRI handle the process of building definitions and execution? Does it have two iterations or does it do it in one go using look aheads
<yorickpeterse>
Reason:
<yorickpeterse>
if you have module A and B, A comes before B but references it that would lead to an error if you use a single iteration to do all the things
<yorickpeterse>
To work around that I have 1 + N, 1 for the definitions and N for each analysis class
<yorickpeterse>
This however can get slow very quickly depending on the amount of analysis and the AST size
<whitequark>
the idea of SSA is to make everything explicit. If there's something defined, you assign it a name. If an operation alters processor's flags, you explicitly return a value for it.
<whitequark>
hm
<yorickpeterse>
I can do it in two iterations but that would require storing the definitions and such in some place (as is done now) and I have very mixed feelings about that
<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: MRI doesn't? a constant literal is translated to a bytecode which at runtime looks up the constant in cref
<yorickpeterse>
well, let me get an example
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<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: I don't understand which behavior in MRI is not clear for you
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<yorickpeterse>
For execution it's not a huge deal I suppose since it doesn't reach that code until actually executed
<yorickpeterse>
But for analysis it would
<whitequark>
yep
<yorickpeterse>
and I don't want to end up basically writing Rubinius in MRI
* whitequark
shrugs
* yorickpeterse
probably isn't making a lot sense
<whitequark>
a linter for a dynamic language like ruby is bound to include partial evaluation in some form or another
<whitequark>
there is simply no way around it. If you do as little as look up a constant, you already do partial evaluation.
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<yorickpeterse>
There already is
<whitequark>
the good news is that doing partial evaluation is a thousand times simpler than actually writing a ruby impl
<whitequark>
you aren't bound by heap or runtime constraints; you can simply ignore cases too complex for you to analyze
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<whitequark>
and you can significantly simplify a lot of behavior
<yorickpeterse>
also doing that already :>
<yorickpeterse>
(ignoring stuff, fucking lag)
<whitequark>
well obviously
<whitequark>
so, yes, you do need to perform two iterations.
<yorickpeterse>
Biggest challenge is going to be return value detection
<whitequark>
Foundry works in a very similar fashion
<whitequark>
it has one iteration on the host system, corresponding to "compilation"
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<whitequark>
and then it has another "iteration" on the target system, corresponding to actual "execution"
<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: first iteration shouldn't really perform a great deal of analysis. What you need is to expand stuff like class definitions, define_method, etc.
<whitequark>
you will obviously need to error out sometimes, but it happens prior to analysis
<whitequark>
mostly.
<yorickpeterse>
whitequark: currently the first iteration only builds definitions
<yorickpeterse>
and I want to keep it that way
<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: its purpose is to build definitions (if I understand you correctly), yeah
<whitequark>
but if you want to expand define_method, then you will have to handle it at that phase, too
<yorickpeterse>
uuugh, meta programming
<yorickpeterse>
that's on the "Fix this unless I kill myself" list
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<whitequark>
well, a ruby implementation in ruby which handles metaprogramming is something about 2KLOC
<yorickpeterse>
Seeing how I can't accurately process string based eval calls I'm not sure about that whole bit
<yorickpeterse>
unless I throw performance overboard
<whitequark>
string based eval is seldom used outside of rails
<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: you can also add a switch. -fmetaprogramming
<whitequark>
*you can always
<whitequark>
also the performance impact is not that huge. it will take some time, but probably not hours.
<yorickpeterse>
For now it's on the backlog, return values is much more important
<whitequark>
and you can cache results for vendored stuff like rails.
<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: don't forget exceptions and LocalJumpError.
<whitequark>
the latter is most important in conjunction with `yield'
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<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: I recommend the LASER paper, and maybe DRuby paper may give you some insight
<banisterfiend>
crankharder: basically zenspider thought epitron was being rude to a noob, but in reality he was just giving it back to a troll :) You should ask him to unban epitron
* crankharder
isn't a politician
<injekt>
crankharder: eh no.. zenspider thought you were a noob as did I
<injekt>
which is WHY he banned epitron
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<ykk>
omg i lurv python on rails
<yorick-cowboy>
crankharder: dat troll
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<ykk>
wait a minute.... there is no such thingie as python on rails... O_o
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<workmad3>
ykk: django? pylons?
<injekt>
python on piles?
<workmad3>
injekt: php on piles
<workmad3>
injekt: python on prozac maybe? :)
<ykk>
haha
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<ykk>
take my yaml and shove it in your rails :P
<ykk>
that wasn't directed at anyone btw just rhymed
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<ykk>
unless it made you feel warm and tingly, then it was meant for you
<whitequark>
oh. JS: ("" ? 1 : 0) == 0
<whitequark>
whereas ("a" ? 1 : 0) == 1
<injekt>
uh, that's one of the more sane problems with js
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<badeball>
whitequark: one could write books about type conversion in javascript. best to just avoid it.
<whitequark>
injekt: that is not necessarily a good thing
<injekt>
an empty value is falsly
<injekt>
sure but it's not really one of the terrible reasons to dislike js
<injekt>
there's so many others you could pick
<whitequark>
({})?1:0, etc
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<injekt>
right...
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<whitequark>
workmad3: I wonder if there's a person who didn't see that talk yet
<workmad3>
whitequark: probably not
<workmad3>
whitequark: but you were talking about js oddities :)
<whitequark>
workmad3: this is one I didn't know about after working with JS for years
<whitequark>
and it has just bitten my ass
<workmad3>
fair enough :)
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<whitequark>
perl has its own share of string-related weirdness, ==/eq
<yorick-cowboy>
whitequark: those issues are actually quite well known
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<whitequark>
yorick-cowboy: "quite well known" is subjective. One could argue that they are all described in the ES3 spec.
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<whitequark>
POLS or similar principles are subjective either, but they refer to a greater degree of verifiable internal consistency than "quite well known"
<whitequark>
not that this discussion leads us anywhere
<sikachu>
am i seeing you just have `end` on line 30 that closes the class?
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<sikachu>
er … sorry, that didn't make any sense … i'm too sleepy today.
<sikachu>
actually, are you sure that those test_* method are in your test class? it seems like they're not (from your gist)
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<llaskin>
LOL that might be it
<llaskin>
it
<llaskin>
lol thats so stupid of me
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<sikachu>
haha, sometimes you just need a third eyes for looking at your code. that's why it's good to do pairing :P
<certainty>
i keep telling that my wife
<llaskin>
we don't have such a thing as pairing here
<llaskin>
its probably why I am still such a shitty rpogrammer
<llaskin>
programmer
<certainty>
it's overrated
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<certainty>
you're currently pairing with us :p
<zzak>
sikachu: :D
<sikachu>
:D
<llaskin>
yes but you guys I have to censor stuff from
<sikachu>
zzak: I spent 30 minutes trying back and forth to subscribe to ruby-core mailing list. turned out Gmail just decided that those emails are spam ...
<llaskin>
sorta a pain in the tuchus sometimes
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<zzak>
haha
<zzak>
i still dont know how to subscribe to ruby-dev
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<sikachu>
and i keep putting 'subscribe' in the subject line as well ...
<yorickpeterse>
So here's something I don't fully get. When using a register based VM, where would you get the register addresses from? Are these passed around after assignments?
<yorickpeterse>
as in, `register_id = add_to_register(:derp)`
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<whitequark>
yea
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<whitequark>
SSA is built this way too
<whitequark>
re Furnace::SSA; I'm going to do a lot of work on it right the next week
<whitequark>
that will probably include some docs on SSA and most importantly, refactoring of the Foundry::Type
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<whitequark>
so you will probably want to wait until I'm done screwing up my code, and then I can explain you how to use F::SSA
<yorickpeterse>
I was thinking of using my own code until I get a better understanding of what I actually need
<whitequark>
mmm
<yorickpeterse>
So regarding the register IDs, how would that be approached with lots of IDs in different locations? e.g.
<whitequark>
the advantage of using LLVM SSA framework is that you cannot screw it up, which you will
<yorickpeterse>
Say you have this: `a = 1; b = 2; ....lots of stuff here....; b`. Would you keep the register id for "b" all the way down until the last bit?
<whitequark>
in fact I did either, which is why I threw out all of my code and just ripped off LLVM's stuff.
<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: this very much depends on a particular kind of register VM you are going to use.
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<yorickpeterse>
Hm, what I don't want to end up with is storing data bidirectional which is what I have now
<yorickpeterse>
I have a set of definitions and a dataset containing nodes and their corresponding definitions
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<yorickpeterse>
that way you can access it using manual lookups or by using specific AST nodes
<yorickpeterse>
but that's slow as balls and kills memory in the long term
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<yorickpeterse>
plus it feels dirty
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<yorickpeterse>
Right so in my case I bascially have two datasets at the moment: my AST and a set of definitions
<yorickpeterse>
Initially when you wanted to analyze something you'd have to resolve the datatype and name yourself, which would lead to code duplication.
<yorickpeterse>
To solve that I added a extra dataset called "node definitions". Basically this is a Hash containing certain nodes (e.g. classes) and their corresponding definitions
<yorickpeterse>
that way you can basically do `node_definitions[node]` and boom, you're done
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<whitequark>
for a linter, you have to store nodes anyway
<yorickpeterse>
This however will lead to two datasets that are entangled and have to be stored in a central location which I prefer to get rid of for the sake of simplicity
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<crankharder>
does anyone know the how and the why of the testrb "-w" option not being present in 1.9.3 and if there is an equivalent way of changing the working directory?
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<banisterfiend>
.
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<dyln>
what is the most succinct way to get all indices of instances of a certain value in an array. e.g. array = [1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1], search for value 1 should return 0, 3, and 5.
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<dyln>
problem is that #index only returns index of first instance.
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<drbrain>
dyln: how about [1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1].each_with_index.select { |v, i| v == 1 }
<drbrain>
you'll need to filter out the indexes as the result is: [[1, 0], [1, 3], [1, 5]]
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<dyln>
drbrain: gotcha, that works
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<drbrain>
injekt: wrt YAML.load
<drbrain>
#initialize isn't called
<drbrain>
for YAML, in init_with
<drbrain>
so you must pre-initialize variables you depend upon
<drbrain>
in Marshal, marshal_load/marshal_dump handle this
<injekt>
drbrain: I guess that makes sense, it's just confusing that I can see the ivars defined in the dump, is this documented? maybe i can help with that
<drbrain>
injekt: Psych.load doesn't discuss it
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<drbrain>
it should probably go there or Psych.dump
<injekt>
drbrain: It's weird I caught it with respond_to_missing is this so much a corner case
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<drbrain>
yeah, you would only hit it with Person.allocate.respond_to?
<injekt>
ah of course
<injekt>
drbrain: thanks for the clarification
<drbrain>
which is exactly what Psych does
<drbrain>
I am going to close this as rejected, is that ok?
<injekt>
yup
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<zzak>
rdoc links, how do they work?
<injekt>
magick
<drbrain>
true fact
<drbrain>
the extensive array of tests serve only to keep the magic working, not to explain it
<zzak>
i currently dont know a way to link to a static file that works both in rdoc and on github
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<drbrain>
zzak: I think github uses rdoc 1.x-based processing code
<zzak>
github suggestions [link: to/file]
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<zzak>
but this doesn't work with rdoc > 3.x
<zzak>
it kills me that rake's readme direct links to the ./doc/* files on master branch
<zzak>
and also there are broken links in rails/rails#readme
<drbrain>
yeah, but I don't worry about it too much since ruby-doc.org is the primary place to read documentation from, github is for more for ruby contributors
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<zzak>
but anyone reading about Rake on there will be directed to master branch on github for the other static files
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<drbrain>
yeah :/
<zzak>
not everyone is using master tho :(
<zzak>
if only :rdoc-ref: worked on github
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<zzak>
drbrain: do you have any other ideas around this?
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<zzak>
i dont even know if i'd consider it an rdoc bug
<drbrain>
I don't think rdoc-ref can work on github, it won't know about --page-dir
<drbrain>
I think a solution can be found, but I'm not sure what it would be at this time
<drbrain>
I should probably make link: work better in the face of --root and --page-dir
<drbrain>
I have a feeling that rdoc-ref is a poor design, but I haven't yet figured out a better way
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<zzak>
ok, if you think this is something rdoc might be able to solve i will open a ticket
<drbrain>
great
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<zzak>
drbrain: thanks!
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