drbrain_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 1.9.3-p385: http://ruby-lang.org (ruby-2.0.0-rc2) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<jtoy> hmm, I'm jumping into python for a bit, so far I'm finding its not very fun
<jtoy> all I want is scikit-learn :(
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<lianj> fun(have(you()))
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<zenspider> jtoy: good luck
<zenspider> I don't know scikit-learn... I know that there is an effort for sciruby, but I don't know how far along it is. .... needs contributors regardless
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<jtoy> zenspider: yeah, I looked at it, didn't seem very far along, ill look into seeing if i can help
<jtoy> its like people in python want to type more,haha
<zenspider> they do
<zenspider> and they want to do everything in reverse
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<zzak> zenspider: do you use pgp?
<zenspider> zzak: no
<zenspider> why?
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<zzak> i was wondering why the key in my emails is different then my public key
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<drbrain> it's a message signature generated from your key
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<zzak> oh
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<Wardrop> Anyone know how to document the method signature using rdoc. More specifically, a method defined like: def my_method(*args, &block); end
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<Wardrop> As an example, notice the 3 method signatures document for Array#new (http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-1.9.3/Array.html#method-c-new)
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<drbrain> wardrop: call-seq does that
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<zzak> oh
<zzak> nvm
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<zzak> zenspider: or minitest
<zzak> that might make a good intro to documentation
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<zzak> crap its like 99% documented
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<injekt> moin
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<zzak> hi
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<injekt> how does zzak
<injekt> goes
<injekt> it's early :(
<yorickpeterse> morning
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<zzak> zzak does tired
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<injekt> zzak should go to sleeps
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<zzak> i might just stay up
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<certainty> moin
<scepticulous> does anyone know how to disable the "pem password" prompt of ruby-openssl, when no password is provided when reading a password protected private-key?
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<lianj> scepticulous: second arg
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<scepticulous> lianj: I know. The issue is, I'm working on an application, that stores private keys and when the user does not provide a password for exporting the key, I dont want a command-line prompt would prefer the same behaviour as with a wrong password
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<lianj> does it still get you the prompt if you pass the second arg (password), enough if its intended to be wrong
<scepticulous> lianj: I cant remember, its almost 15 hours ago, that I tried. I'll re-check that.
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<lianj> scepticulous: no, it throws OpenSSL::PKey::RSAError then
<scepticulous> lianj: that sounds good. thanks for checking that. this should be all I need to do.
<lianj> yea
<lianj> (throw OpenSSL::PKey::RSAError if you intentionally give it a wrong password)
<lianj> *throws
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<scepticulous> lianj: using some invalid value as a placeholder , seems a little hacky, isnt it ?
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<lianj> yes but still
<zzak> sleep time!
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<scepticulous> lianj: howevery, thanks a lot. I'll use a wrong string as default instead of nil now.
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<lianj> scepticulous: from first sight its not rubys fault, https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/ext/openssl/ossl_pkey_rsa.c#L223
<scepticulous> lianj: I guess I dont want to read the openssl c-lib implementation.
<lianj> :P
<lianj> so enjoy the hack
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<scepticulous> lianj: PEM_read_bio_RSAPrivateKey seems to have a fifths argument, I am not sure if that is a pointer to a prompt handler, but the ruby implementation does not seem to use it.
<scepticulous> however, thanks and bye
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<scepticulous> lianj: using the block syntax of OpenSSL::PKey::RSA.new allows to avoid a password prompt or even to check if the key is password protected.
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<certainty> did anybody else stumple upon NoMethodError: undefined method `term' for ["foo", :ident]:CodeRay::Tokens in pry? coderay (1.0.8), pry (0.9.12)
<certainty> stumble, even
<lianj> scepticulous: nice
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<certainty> nevermind, i think FakeFS is interfering here
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<injekt> zzak: you still awake?
<yorickpeterse> Story time:
<yorickpeterse> Once upon a time a retard developer decided to yank a Gem without thinking "Oh, there might actually be people using this"
<yorickpeterse> He didn't live happily ever after
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<darix> yorickpeterse: you always have more people using your stuff than you actually think.
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<ykk> good morning everyone
<ykk> excuse me noobness but how often do you guys use quick sort on an array? just learned about them yesterday and seems like an integral part to programming and something that should be thoroughly understood
<apeiros_> ykk: why'd you care with a language with ruby?
<apeiros_> even in C, you'd not write the sorting algorithm yourself, you'd use qsort
<ykk> it's in a book "Learn to program" by Chris Pine
<apeiros_> (and ruby's Array#sort uses, or at least used, qsort)
<ykk> so you would have to ask him that =\
<apeiros_> well, that's for educational purposes
<apeiros_> learning about algorithms and efficiency
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<apeiros_> but you'll rarely ever have to implement your own sorting algorithm. that's solved stuff.
<ykk> ahh
<ykk> good to know about but not necessary to be able to write my own. gotcha
<ykk> starting to feel like i started programming too late, oh well
<apeiros_> meh, it's never too late ;-)
<ykk> started when i was 12 opening up my ibm pc. the txt files explaining to code were too hard to read and the books always required compilers that I was missing lol
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<ykk> 2nd hand books =\
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<chekcmate> hi
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<ykk> the random question required for registration on the defcon website is different that's for sure
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<rking> Is there a generic way to 'output a command, run it via system(), then raise an exception' or thereabouts?
<rking> In Rake it's 'sh'
<gnufied> ``
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<certainty> raise an exception?
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<rking> gnufied: Only raises if the command doesn't exist, not if it exits nonzero
<rking> I realize I didn't make that part clear. Yeah, don't just invariably raise. ☺
<gnufied> write a wrapper.
<gnufied> :-)
<rking> Can, will, and often do.
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<rking> Actually, in this case I want an annotated run.
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<apeiros_> heh, invariably raising would quite contradict the term "exception"
<rking> Like: explain_system 'Reboot sshd so the changes take effect', '/sbin/init.d/sshd restart'
<rking> (So the annotations wouldn't come for free, anyway)
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<certainty> send HUP signal to the parent
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<rking> (?)
<certainty> is easier that resorting to the shell, but i wasn't serious
<certainty> than, even
<rking> Ahh
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<banisterfiend> certainty: certainty: coul you file an issue + reproduction steps for that pry bug u encountered earlier?
<banisterfiend> we're about to do another release so i'd like to catch it if possible
<certainty> banisterfiend: it was actually caused by FakeFS i think. Possibly it prevented coderay from loading code at runtime, which went by unnoticed
<banisterfiend> ah ok
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<chekcmate> lol
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<savagecroc> hey
<chekcmate> "can you change the ssh port to 443? im behind a strict proxy and cant use it"
<chekcmate> "you have root, you can change the port"
<chekcmate> wtf
<savagecroc> how do i make a rake task run on two threads?
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<certainty> chekcmate: having root and being able to do something are orthogonal things :)
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<chekcmate> certainty: yea but that's the answer from the support :D
<certainty> hehe :)
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<jtoy> this is python, wtf: len("".split())
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<injekt> what about it?
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<ykk> are you implying it's not as beautiful as Ruby?
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* apeiros_ explicitly agrees to that implied statement
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<chekcmate> ok... can't expect too much from a 2$ vps... lol
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<jtoy> ykk: yes i am
<jtoy> its all very backwards, interesting though
<ykk> is ruby your first lang?
<jtoy> there are also no nils in python, i cant do "foo bar".split[5]
<GarethAdams> that's not a sign there are no nils
<jtoy> no, i program frequently in ruby, R, clojure
<GarethAdams> that's a sign you can't access non-existant elements of an array
<jtoy> i like the ruby way, so much less coding and everything seems more logical
<jtoy> but still learning
<GarethAdams> python does have a None value
<jtoy> i have to check the size, i don't care about the size though
<whitequark> $ python
<whitequark> >>> True = False
<whitequark> >>> True
<jtoy> hmmm,wtf
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<jtoy> is my True broken now?
<whitequark> yes.
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<chekcmate> lol
<jtoy> how do i fix that?
<jtoy> I'm testing in my repl
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<jaska> haha
<injekt> jtoy: True = bool(1)
<jaska> ah, they made it a keyword in 3.x
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<imperator> yo
<chekcmate> injekt: may I show+ask you something?
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<injekt> chekcmate: sure
<chekcmate> I wrote this under 1.8.7, but my vps has 1.9.3 and I'm experiencing some problems
<chekcmate> can it be the versions?
<injekt> problems across both versions or just one?
<chekcmate> well, i tested it locally under 1.8.7 and had no problems
<chekcmate> tested it on my vps (1.9.3) and i got problems
<injekt> what problems did you have?
<chekcmate> like, you can only send one message, that's it
<chekcmate> then nothing happens
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<chekcmate> injekt: could you connect?
<injekt> chekcmate: works here
<chekcmate> you can send more than one message and get back each one??
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<injekt> yup
<chekcmate> then it's the fault of my proxy here :(
<chekcmate> thanks for testing!
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<chekcmate> have a nice day, guys! bye
<chekcmate> *and girls
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<iamjarvo> any one have a solid book recommendation on data structures
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<zzak> injekt: i slept
<zzak> in providence now
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<injekt> zzak: :D
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<zzak> i got like 5 hours, im good now
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<matti> zzak: ;]
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<zzak> by far one of my favorite uses for vine yet
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<drbrain> zzak: oops, reboot!
<drbrain> you will brb
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<drbrain> I hope he got that
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<injekt> lol
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<injekt> postmodern: ping
<postmodern> injekt, yo
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<injekt> postmodern: im gonna merge my changes I added in mech #289, any additions before I do so?
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<postmodern> injekt, go for it
<zzak> ?
<zzak> i saw someone ping me, but irc went down :(
<postmodern> injekt, since your inheriting from Mechanize::File, the new XMLFile class should quake like a File
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<zzak> uptime
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<injekt> postmodern: yeah I figured that would help any backwards incompatibility issues and I figured if someone had issues they were probably abusing code anyway so our backs are covered
<injekt> zzak: drbrain was telling you he was rebooting
<drbrain> it may not have made it through IRC before the process quit
<zzak> lol
<injekt> woop mechanize down to 10 open issues
<drbrain> injekt: it would be nice to support HSTS at some point in the future
<drbrain> but we'd need a file to cache HSTS information
<injekt> drbrain: yeah
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<zzak> ok, wish me luck!
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<crankharder> lots of fun digging into foreman today... trying to get resque workers to quit gracefully after crtl+c is sent to foreman
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<crankharder> crtl+c is SIGINT pretty much everyhwere, and confirmed by foreman: "^CSIGINT received"
<crankharder> SIGINT is trapped by foreman here: https://github.com/ddollar/foreman/blob/master/lib/foreman/engine.rb#L45
<crankharder> so why if I remove that call to terminate_gracefully does foreman still die when I press crtl+c ?
<crankharder> and before anyone asks, I'm removing it in the right instance of foreman inside ~/.rvm/ etc
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<crankharder> it's as if trap("INT") bubbles the signal right through to the process... and kills foreman and all the children with SIGINT, instead of "gracefully" which would be SIGTERM -- if you want to dig through the rest of the file
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<drbrain> crankharder: if you delete the handler it uses the default INT handler which terminates your process
<drbrain> just not so gracefully
<crankharder> i didn't delete the handler
<crankharder> i removed the call to terminate_gracefully
<drbrain> oh, I misread
<crankharder> so it should still puts stuff
<crankharder> and then presumably do nothing else
<drbrain> I am unsure
<crankharder> next step was to add Signal.trap("INT"){puts "do nothing") on line 6 here
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<crankharder> anyone know how foreman gets from 'foreman' on the command line to bin/foreman ?
<crankharder> is that just a gem thing?
<crankharder> things in bin/ are available if the gem is in your gemfile?
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<drbrain> in rubygems there's a stub file that loads the correct version and loads the bin file
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<crankharder> "bin file"
<crankharder> ?
<crankharder> you mean the files that are in bin/?
<crankharder> like... in my path i have foreman, but i dont have foreman-runner
<drbrain> yes
<crankharder> nor do i have taskman
<crankharder> all three are a+x
<crankharder> so what makes foreman special?
<crankharder> how about this jazz
<crankharder> myeh?
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<crankharder> crickets in here
<crankharder> hey guys, new to ruby here, how do i install Active_record in my rails on ruby website?
<crankharder> need help asap
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<injekt> crankharder: "install ar in my rails on ruby website" really? that's what you're giving us?
<epitron> hahaha
<epitron> AND HE NEEDS THE HELP ASAP
<crankharder> injekt: need help ASAP
<crankharder> plz help me
<epitron> GUYS GET IT IN MY RAILS ON RUBY NOW
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<injekt> crankharder: Ask your question with more detail, you've explained nothing
<epitron> i think he should go for the #ruby-lang consultancy service
<epitron> where he pays $150/hour and someone solves his problem for him
<epitron> this seems like a losing battle, otherwise
<crankharder> i think the humor was lost via the irc toobs :/
<injekt> :|
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<andrewvos> crankharder: There is no humour here. Please try #ruby-lang-humour.
<crankharder> i refuse
<andrewvos> This is the Rails vulnerability discussion channel only.
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<andrewvos> What does your name mean crankharder?
<epitron> CoverSlide: haha.. that's great
<andrewvos> epitron: I just realised that your name reminds me of a ladies hair removal tool.
<epitron> orly!
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<andrewvos> No offense or anything :|
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<epitron> you are not responsible for what things remind you of
<epitron> that's society's fault
<epitron> :)
<andrewvos> Stupid society
<andrewvos> I blame The Man
* epitron shakes his fist
<crankharder> it's rock climbing slang, and then i started biking a lot and there are cranks in biking, so it is what it is
<crankharder> +1 for hair removal tools too
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<crankharder> also it makes a lot of people's minds go for the gutter, something i approve of
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<epitron> ok, i take offense at that
* epitron stabs crankharder
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<andrewvos> You take offense to cranks in biking? Fair enough
<crankharder> eh, my handle, not yours
<andrewvos> oh wait
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<zenspider> epitron: am I missing something?
<epitron> hmmmm
* epitron takes a close look at zenspider
<zenspider> injekt: you too... am I missing something?
<epitron> your moustache?
<zenspider> is there a reason why you're being a dick to a newb?
<epitron> OH! the mole!
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<zenspider> I'm just catching up ....
<zenspider> tho... I thought crankharder has been in here for months/years
<epitron> newb made a few dickworthy mistakes
<epitron> 1) I NEED HELP ASAP, 2) I AM ASKING FOR RAILS HELP IN #RUBY-LANG, 3) RAILS ON RUBY lulul
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<epitron> oh, and 4) how to install active record in rails
<epitron> lullul
<epitron> if anything was more deserving of sarcastic comments, i'd like you to see it :)
<epitron> -you
<zenspider> yeah. I don't give a shit. you can politely push him towards #rails or you can shut the fuck up. don't be a dick to the newbs
<epitron> hahah
<epitron> i see you have changed your ways
<zenspider> anyone else?
<zenspider> injekt: ?
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<zenspider> injekt: on second reading... I think your response was fine. sorry for pulling you in.
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<yianna> Does starting with Ruby make me less of a programmer because I don't know C or all the complicated algorithims that were done before?
<yianna> starting to feel really small, lol
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<badeball> algorithms are not less complicated in high level langauge :)
<yianna> good point
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<badeball> personally, I think a high level language is good place to start. no need to confuse yourself with pointers, memory allocations and garbage collection just yet.
<badeball> you have all the time in the world to learn c and I definitely that will make you a better programmer, even if you never end up using it. you will probably look at everything differently afterwards.
<ggreer> my first language was LOGO (1st grade), then C (7th grade), then TI-BASIC (9th grade), then perl (also 9th grade)
<yianna> everything is ambgious since now to me that applies to social life
<badeball> s/definitely/definitely think that/
<ggreer> all of those languages suck, but at least C lets you write fast things
<ggreer> today I mostly use javascript and python. I like ruby but I know django better than I know rails
<badeball> I ended up starting with visual basic 6 for some reason
<badeball> that's a long time ago
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<ggreer> C is a very unforgiving language. I don't recommend starting with it
<yianna> lol vb6
<yianna> i started with QBasic and cried a few times
<ggreer> one time I spent two days trying to track down a bug. it was a single = in a comparison
<yianna> I was like 10
<eam> qbasic? vb? Man, I had to start with GW Basic
<ggreer> modern compilers will probably warn about that
<yianna> awww gg that sucks lol
<yianna> was that on your Tandy eam?
<eam> I really like pascal for teaching
<CoverSlide> Gee Dub?
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<eam> yianna: it was on a DEC Rainbow which dual booted CP/M and DOS, each on a different processor
<badeball> ggreer: python seperates between expressions and statements, so that'd never happend there
<badeball> I'm not sure if I like that
<eam> z80 and 8088
<yianna> eam: sounds like one of those old school machines but after eproms
<eam> I was way too young to know any of that stuff at the time
<eam> I only knew how to make simple loops, and basic CP/M navigation
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<yianna> eam: still pretty awesome
<ggreer> but in 1998, hp-ux's cc kinda didn't care about linting
<badeball> I remember my cousin trying to introduce me to C when I was like 13. that didn't go very well :P
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<ggreer> badeball: I still have traumatic memories from when I first learned C
<ggreer> that damn single =
<yianna> why learn C if I know ruby wouldn't it be better to learn a lower language then C?
<ggreer> after two days I was almost in tears. my dad looked at my code and said "hey, you have a single equals there"
<yianna> lol thanks dad
<badeball> yianna: C works on a much lower level. you need a deeper understanding of how computers work in order to fully utilize the language.
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<badeball> wait, I think I read your question wrong.
<badeball> yianna: you can't really go any lower than C unless you want to target a specific hardware, in which you could learn assembly.
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<yianna> my friend told me about machine code
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<yianna> she showed me a project she was working on it's similiar to an arduino except more powerful and she said she works on a real low form of code
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<ggreer> do not write asm
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<yianna> assembly?
<badeball> I have fidgeted with assembly and machine code for the x86 platform when I wrote my own dummy language and compiler, but that was purely for academic purposes.
<yianna> it's not an arduino or pi it's something else
<yianna> ahhh so there is "machine code"
<yianna> well she must be a friggin' genius then, no wonder why my noob questions get no response from her lol
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<badeball> yianna: hold on a second there.. you have a female friend working with machine code? *drool*
<badeball> FEMALE?
<rue> badeball: STFU.
<yianna> gender specificity should be redundant when it comes to all things code and geek
<yianna> sexuality too for that matter
<badeball> yianna: does not mean one is rarer.
<badeball> not rarer*
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<ggreer> badeball: what rue said