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<zenspider> ruby2ruby version 2.0.2 has been released! | software releases by ryan davis - http://blog.zenspider.com/releases/2013/01/ruby2ruby-version-2-0-2-has-been-released.html
<zenspider> hoe version 3.4.1 has been released! | software releases by ryan davis - http://blog.zenspider.com/releases/2013/01/hoe-version-3-4-1-has-been-released.html
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<postmodern> isn't there a library that provides a Proxy object that logs every method call to it?
<postmodern> but imitates common methods, like to_s or to_a
<postmodern> so as not to break the expectations of the caller
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<savagecroc> hey i need to run ssh -L 6543:127.0.0.1:5432 #{@server_name}
<savagecroc> sorry `ssh -L 6543:127.0.0.1:5432 #{@server_name}`
<savagecroc> but it hangs after i call the command.. is there anyway i can get ruby to run the command and continue processing?
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<_Sketch_> I have a method that takes an object, which could be an array-like or a hash-like. Is there any way to test the arity of the object's .each method, so I can choose how to iterate over its contents?
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<lianj> _Sketch_: obj.method(:each).arity
<_Sketch_> lianj: Aahaa. Thank you!
<_Sketch_> lianj: Hmm. [1,2,3].method(:each).arity => 0
<lianj> hm
<_Sketch_> Because it's a block-yield, I presume.
<cHarNe2> hi guys, im scanning a file and doing regex on all the lines but i get error when it gets to special chars. http://pastie.org/5700972 any ideas? :)
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<mistym> cHarNe2: Looks like the problem is with your string. Its encoding is declared as ASCII but it contains nonascii characters.
<cHarNe2> mistym: ok, the file comes from an american system, but contains swedish chars
<cHarNe2> mistym: is it possible to just change the coding on the strings (the hole array aswell)
<mistym> cHarNe2: Yeah: str.force_encoding('your_new_encoding')
<cHarNe2> mistym: sweet, thatnks :)
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<cHarNe2> this made the trick: inRows.each {|line| line.force_encoding("UTF-8")}
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<zenspider> cHarNe2: make much more sense to open the file in the correct encoding..
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<micaeked> hey zenspider, just wanted to say thanks for fixing up enhanced-ruby-mode for emacs. i really like it =)
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<cHarNe2> zenspider: depends on the situation, im making a log-viewer. would suck if the person using the program would have to open the file and save it bofor the program can be used ;)
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<ttmrichter> Can someone explain to me what's going on with this?:
<ttmrichter> λ v8 → bundle
<ttmrichter> ERROR: Gem bundler is not installed, run `gem install bundler` first.
<ttmrichter> λ v8 → gem list bundler
<ttmrichter> *** LOCAL GEMS ***
<ttmrichter> bundler (1.2.3, 1.2.1)
<ttmrichter> Bundler is installed. Two different versions. But bundle insists it can't find it.
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<yorickpeterse> Morning
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<gnufied> Morning
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<injekt> morning
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<unsymbol> morning
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<chekcmate> hi guys
<chekcmate> I wanted to get everything enclosed in "" in a string, tinkered this: [/"([^\"]*)"/]
<chekcmate> but I get ["string"] instead of [string] - what am I doing wrong?
<chekcmate> rubular shows it without ""
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<chekcmate> a little hint is greatly appreciated
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<whitequark> chekcmate: your regexp is correct
<whitequark> through you don't need a slash in [^
<whitequark> "]
<whitequark> argh, [^\"]
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<yorickpeterse> chekcmate: that is probably because it's an actual string, which IRB/Pry and the likes show as `"string"`
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<yorickpeterse> if it would contain quotes it would be displayed as "\"string\""
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<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: so I did nothing wrong here?
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<chekcmate> oh, I thought I had to escape "
<chekcmate> whitequark: / yorickpeterse: thank you guys! :)
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<yorickpeterse> np
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<yorickpeterse> So I got a rather interesting Email yesterday. The ruby-gnome people are apparently working on GTK3 bindings and as such will be taking over my half-assed gem
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<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: What is your gem called?
<yorickpeterse> gtk3
<yorickpeterse> So it makes sense for them to take over. I don't have time to maintain it anyway
<chekcmate> that's a big one, isn't it?
<yorickpeterse> Oh yeah, GTK is massive
<yorickpeterse> Especially since you also have to implement gobject, pango and all the others
<chekcmate> they depend on gtk?
<yorickpeterse> No, the other way around
<chekcmate> ah ok, good to know
<yorickpeterse> In the end you can easily spend a year or more to implement it
<chekcmate> you don't look that old, how long have you been working on it?
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<yorickpeterse> haha
<yorickpeterse> I started somewhere in May
<yorickpeterse> Spent a month or two on it, then realized I didn't have the time for it
<chekcmate> (well, looing young doesn't mean anything... I know someone who's 31 and looks like 20)
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<chekcmate> yea, I believe you... lot of responsibility
<chekcmate> (perhaps?)
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<yorickpeterse> Just a lot of work mostly
<yorickpeterse> The docs of GTK aren't always as clear and as such it can get quite complicated
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<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: New releases are checked by a 3rd party before going live, are they?
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<yorickpeterse> hm?
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<eltoniodelavega> Hello Ruby people,
<eltoniodelavega> I am new to ruby and I'm having trouble debugging a Ruby "problem". I am trying to run td-agent (Fluentd) and at launch, it tries to find jsonpath, can't find even though it is installed.
<eltoniodelavega> error pasted here => http://pastie.org/private/hfplwekmyfegjmahmubpuq
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<andrewvos> eltoniodelavega: Is this a file that you have created?
<andrewvos> eltoniodelavega: Try require_relative instead of require.
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<sandbags> Hello. Has anyone here had success compiling Ruby 1.9.3-p374 on OSX 10.8 so that you can run, e.g. rails console, without an Abort Trap: 6 error?
<sandbags> I'm actually trying with the apple-gcc-4.2 from home brew rather than the Xcode compiler
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<eltoniodelavega> andrewvos: Thanks for your answer. No, it's not a file I wrote, it's parts of a fluentd ( log collector) plugin (for couchdb)
<eltoniodelavega> Tried this but it didn't work because there is no jsonpath in the same folder.
<eltoniodelavega> def initialize
<eltoniodelavega> require_relative 'jsonpath'
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<injekt> sandbags: yes
<sandbags> injekt: thanks. i think it's gem related, i'm working through making sure i have all new gems
<sandbags> it occurs to me i am using the per-project bundle cache trick
<sandbags> so might have old native gems floating about
<sandbags> yep that looks to be it
<sandbags> now, how do i remember this for next time :)
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<kke> x={}; x[:x] = x; x[:x][:x][:x][:x][:x][:x][:x][:x] # => {:x=>{...}}
<kke> deep clone this.
<kke> hehe x[x]=x too
<kke> x={}; x[x]=x # => {{...}=>{...}}
<injekt> wat
<Spaceghost|cloud> I usually just use the deepclone stuff I find on github,.
<Spaceghost|cloud> It's a solved problem.
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<kke> a=[]; a << a; #= >[[...]]
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<kke> a.first.first.first.first => [[...]]
<kke> probably nothing important, just funny.
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<injekt> apeiros: well said
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<apeiros> the gist?
<injekt> apeiros: aye
<apeiros> ^^
<apeiros> couldn't resist
<injekt> I didn't have the patience to reply, too much bullshit in there
<apeiros> I do agree on some points, though
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<injekt> yah
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<apeiros> $= and some other globals, defined? returning a string, flip-flops being the strongest, in that order
<injekt> yeah
<injekt> tbh all the perlesque globals can go, I use them sometimes for convenience but none of them are necessary
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<charliesome> someone call the whaaambulance https://gist.github.com/c8188956cd66c38feb1f
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<richardburton> that was swift
<injekt> I'll bring the troll food guys
<injekt> to make myself feel a bit more at home with python https://gist.github.com/4555789
* injekt runs
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<sandbags> odd... seems i wasn't banned, but i got a message about not being able to reset my nick because i was banned on #ruby-lang
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<sandbags> oh well
<imperator> "extremely complex grammar" - yes, i know that's what i think about when i choose a language, how complex the grammar is
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<injekt> im pretty sure i could write a list similar to that to every language i've ever used
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<injekt> for*
<imperator> my list for perl would be much larger
<injekt> <3 perl
<Spaceghost|cloud> injekt: I love how horrible you are to ruby. <3
<injekt> Spaceghost|cloud: in what way?
<Spaceghost|cloud> injekt: Your gist.
<injekt> oh
<injekt> :D
<injekt> I could be worse
<injekt> class Object; def self.inherited(*); exit!; end; end
<yorickpeterse> GUYS GUYS
<injekt> GTFO
<yorickpeterse> RUBY USES BLOCKS. WHAT THE FUCK?
<yorickpeterse> SRSLY
<imperator> injekt, i used a similar trick for my "final" gem ;)
<injekt> imperator: deadly
<imperator> well, i don't exit, just raise an error
<injekt> imperator: ah to prevent subclassing?
<imperator> yup
<injekt> naughty
<imperator> it was just a proof of concept gem really
<charliesome> python mistakes
<charliesome> - everything
<injekt> python mistakes: str.join(list)
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<injekt> that one always ruins me
<imperator> tried using python before ruby, couldn't get into it
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<imperator> that was in the 1.5 days, though
<charliesome> python mistakes: integers are allocated on the heap
<injekt> I wrote python a while before ruby, and still do sometimes
<charliesome> although that's more cpython mistake
<imperator> dunno what would happen today
<yorickpeterse> Python is allright
<injekt> the only languages at the moment I enjoy writing apart from ruby is perl, go, lua, and sometimes haskell
<darix> class Error < RuntimeError; end
<yorickpeterse> Though I can't really call it an OO language
<darix> that line is more funny imho
<injekt> yorickpeterse: what? why not?
<yorickpeterse> Because of the __self__ crap in classes, the fact that it has these weird global functions (e.g. len()), etc
<darix> yorickpeterse: i learned more about OO from python than from java tbh :p
<yorickpeterse> Also the way many people write Python is something I'd more or less call "module oriented programming"
<yorickpeterse> They define global methods in a module and them import it under some name
* yorickpeterse feels he isn't very good at explaining this
<yorickpeterse> I also can't take PEP8 seriously when I look at the stdlib of Python
<imperator> darix, how so?
<imperator> (how is it funny?)
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: P3 fixes at least some of the global functions
<whitequark> but then again, no one uses P3
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<yorickpeterse> yup
<charliesome> feel free to suggest changes https://gist.github.com/f945b41fa90bc7db5351
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<apeiros> charliesome: needs more ZOMG, PONIES!, BBQ! and JESUS WOULDN'T DO THAT!
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<apeiros> oh, and """"""""" comment
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<charliesome> the hilarious thing is that python lets you use mutable objects as dict keys
<charliesome> so yeah
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<injekt> mutable default arguments?
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<heftig> charliesome: i guess the hash changes but the dict's table isn't updated?
<charliesome> yeah
<imperator> last point, subtle ;)
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<yorickpeterse> charliesome: Please don't lower yourself to the other guy's standards
<yorickpeterse> it will only start a flamewar
<charliesome> yah fair enough
<imperator> he didn't start the fire, it was always burning since the world's been turning
<charliesome> hehe
<yorickpeterse> And with Ruby's generaly rockstart attitude it's not going to help things
<apeiros> ah what's wrong with a good flamewar
<apeiros> burn baby burn!
<yorickpeterse> * rockstar
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<imperator> rocksalt
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* apeiros is a rockmoon
<apeiros> who's a rockplanet?
<charliesome> i'm a ninstar
<injekt> how about class attributes being accessible as members? that shit is weird
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<whitequark> injekt: oooh mutable default arguments. that is incredibly moronic.
<injekt> whitequark: ya
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<injekt> hit me a few times
<ericwood> :s/moronic/awesome
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<injekt> also doing == True doesn't check explicit, it checks for 'truthly'
<injekt> ie 1 == True #=> true
<charliesome> oh really
<injekt> aye
<charliesome> holy fuck
<charliesome> that is php retarded
<ericwood> also be careful using ||= for similar reasons
<injekt> ya
<ericwood> it'll assign on false, which may not be what you want
<charliesome> injekt: funnily enough == False doesn't check falsiness
<ericwood> >> p 0 == false
<injekt> charliesome: 0 == False :P
<injekt> heh
<ericwood> oh...this isn't #ruby
<charliesome> injekt: try [] == False
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<injekt> charliesome: haha
<injekt> yeah
<charliesome> injekt: then try if []: print "lol"
<injekt> yeah, this is why so many people use 'is'
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<charliesome> is 'is' === ?
<injekt> True is 1 would fail, True is True would pass
<injekt> yeah if you're talking php style
<whitequark> earlier today I thought that maybe I should have used python for foundry. because, you know, it's more beginner-friendly and so
<whitequark> hah. never again
<charliesome> whitequark: you are forgiven. now say 3 hail marys and place $20 in the collection tin
<injekt> I still never understood accessing class members as instance variables
<injekt> lass Foo: x = 1; Foo().x #=> 1
<injekt> LASS
<chekcmate> class.
<chekcmate> ?
<injekt> you have to ask?
<chekcmate> who knows
<charliesome> injekt: i think that falls out as a consequence of python's object system more than anything else
<injekt> charliesome: possibly, but then class members are mutable over instances
<charliesome> not totally convinced it's a lol
<charliesome> oh lol
<injekt> i1.x = 2; i2.x #=> 2
<charliesome> rebindable?
<chekcmate> injekt: maybe you just invented a new class type.. lass
<charliesome> haha fark
<injekt> chekcmate: :)
<injekt> charliesome: :)
<charliesome> injekt: nope
<injekt> hm
<injekt> oh ok
<charliesome> not in 2.7 at least
<injekt> lists
<charliesome> yeah lists are fucked because __iadd__
<charliesome> which is the worst thing ever
<injekt> yeah
<charliesome> the only other language i can think of that lets you override compound assignment is c++
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<injekt> definitely make sure you get mutable default args in there, that's one of the most fucked up imo.. def foo(x=[]): x.append(1); return x; x() #=> [1]; x() #=> [1,1]; x() #=> [1,1,1] etc
<charliesome> i have default args are memoized
<injekt> which is why you generally see lots of def foo(x=None)
<charliesome> i should sensationalize it a bit
<injekt> I guess you could also be petty and complain that a = 1; ++a; is syntactically correct, but does absolutely nothing
<charliesome> * `` repr syntax. jesus christ the son, the father and the holy spirit wow zomg
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<injekt> this one is kinda funny.. a=[[1,2,3,4,5]]*4; a[0][0] = 2; a #=> [[2,2,3,4,5], [2,2,3,4,5], ..]]
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<chekcmate> injekt: are there major differences I would notice between 1.8.7 and 1.9?
<injekt> chekcmate: syntax differences mostly, but there are others to be aware of
<chekcmate> I started with 1.9, but have to use 1.8 here
<chekcmate> though I had no problems yet
<injekt> uh
<chekcmate> which is weird imo
<injekt> why do you 'have to'?
<chekcmate> company
<injekt> tell them the code runs 3x slower on 1.8 and you must upgrade
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<chekcmate> that's not that easy ^^
<injekt> seriously any company trying to still to a version that's essentiall ~7 years out of date is retarded
<chekcmate> it's a erp system ^^
<injekt> lol
<injekt> im so glad i run the company i work for
<chekcmate> it comes from times where it was faster to write database input into files and process them locally instead of directly on the db
<chekcmate> like '98 or something
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<chekcmate> thanksi
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<chekcmate> injekt: what's your company if you don't mind telling?
<injekt> chekcmate: the company name is Allur Group
<injekt> chekcmate: the website is allur.com
<chekcmate> yea... I just stumbled over some band ha
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<charliesome> night
<chekcmate> night charliesome
<injekt> so who's checking the website for that new rails vuln eh?
<charliesome> hmm????
<chekcmate> you're in real estates?
<injekt> charliesome: logs, i see requests coming in for it
<charliesome> ah
<charliesome> lol people
<injekt> chekcmate: half of my team is
<jasiek> i'm looking at the stackoverflow page, one thing that confuses me is 'block local variables'
<charliesome> there's a fun way to detect if a site uses rack
<jasiek> what's the advantage of declaring that var in | | ?
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<injekt> charliesome: ah, was that one you?
<charliesome> yah
<injekt> charliesome: the params check
<charliesome> ?a=1&a[a]=1 hehe
<injekt> lol I just got the same request from 3 different ips
<charliesome> weird
<injekt> charliesome: you're in aus?
<charliesome> yeah
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<chekcmate> injekt: last question: Is this about giving people the opportunity to show their real estates, or are you guys showing real estates you own and sell? I'm still not clear on that
<chekcmate> but it looks really well made :)
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<injekt> chekcmate: it's built for consumers to purchase (eventually) but companies to showcase, we dont own/sell anything ourselves
<chekcmate> ah, so it's more like a "service"?
<injekt> we have a large admin back end which companies use to showcase their showrooms
<injekt> sure
<injekt> and we're building a crm for these companies, too http://www.allurspark.com/
<chekcmate> so you're managing their customers?
<injekt> well, they're managing their customers through our tools, yes
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<chekcmate> what's your target audience? It looks high class
<injekt> anyone selling real estate
<injekt> we just have large companies on board
<injekt> but we're there for the small guys, too.. it's a pretty cheap service for what you get and compared to the alternatives
<chekcmate> ah so basically, if I ever own a house, doesn't matter how much of value, I could use your plattform in order to sell it?
<davidmz> I have the following problem:, I want to parse a json to a class, so I can do @user = parse_my_json(json) then I can do @user.id and not @user["id"], this exists in many other languages like c# and java i am new to ruby, thx
<injekt> chekcmate: sure, our services wouldn't be much use to you just selling a single house, though, the target is more company based
<injekt> davidmz: require 'ostruct'; OpenStruct.new(@user)
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<chekcmate> injekt: the price stays the same when switching currency
<chekcmate> fyi - though I think you already know
<davidmz> injekt: Will try it out right away
<injekt> chekcmate: on what page? showcase pages?
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<chekcmate> i know it states "beta" in the top left corner
<injekt> chekcmate: it changes for me
<chekcmate> hm :(
<injekt> what browser?
<injekt> and do you have js enabled?
<chekcmate> IE9, because when using FF18, our proxy breaks the SSL cert. weirdly
<injekt> odd
<chekcmate> yes, everything's working, but the price won't change
<injekt> I'll let the front end guys know
<chekcmate> well... I'll take that house for 300.000 yen then!
<injekt> :D
<chekcmate> making a page work for as many browsers as possbile is always a hassle, I bet
<injekt> Yeah luckily that's not my job, i hate that crap
<chekcmate> haha, subordinates hurray!
<injekt> actually the 2 developers working on it are both co-founders :)
<injekt> (me and another guy)
<chekcmate> how many guys are you in total?
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<yorickpeterse> injekt: so you injekted yourself into the housing market?
* yorickpeterse feels rather good about that pun
<injekt> 6, 3 marketing/sales 2 devs 1 designer
<chekcmate> hah :D
<injekt> yorickpeterse: hah
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<chekcmate> well, I wish you the best of luck with your company!
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<injekt> thanks :)
<chekcmate> I'm also currently working on a business idea with a friend of mine, but we're still months away from a prototype
<injekt> heh, that website was from an idea to launched in about 3 months, but this new crm isn't proving so simple :)
<chekcmate> that's great and that's exactly how it can be done - I just read a great book about startups and it also said "if you got the idea, start working on it in the next 72 hours"
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<chekcmate> which doesn't mean "start programming headlessly" - but elaborating that idea
<apeiros> you have to be a chicken in order to start programming headlessly…
<injekt> you mean, a headless chicken
<chekcmate> yea, I just wanted it to be understood correctly... I don't think you guys are stupid
<chekcmate> that would be like speaking before thinking
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<chekcmate> im kinda unlucky when it comes to this... the knife was lying on the hotplate, which I thought was turned off
<apeiros> I prefer those. don't scratch, easy to wash.
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<chekcmate> so my pot did not get warm, but the knife did
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<apeiros> burned yourself when you picked it up?
<chekcmate> guess what :D
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<injekt> the pot blew up and killed everyone?
<apeiros> who's telling the tale then? :)
<chekcmate> no, the pot was cold... I wondered why it wouldn't heat up and picked up the knife - then I knew
<injekt> my ending was better
<chekcmate> I don't cook crystal meth, so I hope that won't happen
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<chekcmate> ha
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<chekcmate> though I haven't tried forgetting a pressure cooker yet.... hmm...
<chekcmate> that's worth a shot!
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<chekcmate> injekt: got another good one: ever tried heating up milk in a water boiler?
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<injekt> chekcmate: lol no
<chekcmate> I thought it might be clever not getting a pot dirty for that... it was not.
<chekcmate> had to throw it away, because the milk burned into the metal haha
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<chekcmate> *onto
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<injekt> kitchen.delete(chekcmate)
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<chekcmate> :[
<chekcmate> it's like the art of war...
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<manveru> so... anybody know just how stable the mruby capi is atm?
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<chekcmate> what's that?
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<judofyr> manveru: the public API should be pretty stable
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<chekcmate> many people inventing stuff today... hu
<chekcmate> bye guys
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<manveru> judofyr: k
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<manveru> also wondering whether i should only wire up the functions in mruby.h or also the things in include/mruby/*.h
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<manveru> i figure that just mruby.h offers just about everything i'd need... but maybe the way over eval is too slow for some?
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<whitequark> suppose I need to fill in a form and then click submit
<whitequark> there's no js, so I don't need to drive a headless browser
<whitequark> and I'm too lazy to use net::http
<whitequark> what should I use?
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<manveru> mechanize?
<Spaceghost|cloud> Mmm, capybara-mechanize
<manveru> capybara is not something you need for that
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<manveru> here's a sample of filling out a form and submitting
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<Spaceghost|cloud> If you're connecting to a remote page and scraping, sometimes it's nice to use the dsl that capybara provides for driving it. If you've got the ability to point at the page directly, you're set.
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<bradland> is there a name for the pattern used in places like Bundler's Gemfile? e.g., the group method that accepts a block https://github.com/fatfreecrm/fat_free_crm/blob/master/Gemfile#L51
<whitequark> oh mechanize is neat
<whitequark> manveru: thanks
<hagabaka> the block acceptor pattern?
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<judofyr> bradland: dunno
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<Spaceghost|cloud> it may be closer to a visitor or perhaps strategy pattern
<injekt> im gonna throw this one out there: the lolpattern
<whitequark> why do people want to call trivial things "pattern" and dogmatize them
<whitequark> *patterns
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<judofyr> Spaceghost|cloud: most likely it's just doing `old, @group = @group, params; yield; @group = old`
<bradland> whitequark: the benefit is that you can then search for reference patters (which helps you avoid repeating mistakes)
<whitequark> bradland: there isn't a lot of ways to screw up passing of a block
<Spaceghost|cloud> judofyr: I don't know what we're talking about, but egh fun way to handle that.
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<Spaceghost|cloud> judofyr: What did you use that for?
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<judofyr> Spaceghost|cloud: huh?
<Spaceghost|cloud> judofyr: Did you actually use it, or was that just some contrived example?
<judofyr> Spaceghost|cloud: I have used similar code, yes
<judofyr> Spaceghost|cloud: way simpler than delegating all methods
<judofyr> Spaceghost|cloud: but notice that there are multiple ways to implement this "pattern" ;)
<Spaceghost|cloud> For sure!
<Spaceghost|cloud> You could even tap and do it in there.
<Spaceghost|cloud> At message passing level!
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<Spaceghost|cloud> judofyr: Which specific pattern? Just the whole visitor pattern?
<judofyr> Spaceghost|cloud: group { … }
<Spaceghost|cloud> group?
<judofyr> Spaceghost|cloud: oh god. I think I replied to the wrong guy :)
<Spaceghost|cloud> Lol. :)
<judofyr> bradland: ^ re: Gemfile's group "pattern". see above ^
<judofyr> Spaceghost|cloud: but yeah, it's kinda re: to you too: it doesn't have to be implemented as a visitor pattern ;)
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<Spaceghost|cloud> judofyr: Sure. But visitor pattern seems less prone to not being thread safe.
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<Spaceghost|cloud> Not sure 100% really. I'm super tired.
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<blahwoop> good morning
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<judofyr> blahwoop: morning!
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<blahwoop> any github I should follow that has good ruby code to look at?
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* zzak requires irc hugs
<blahwoop> im trying to practice by reading some simple programs and doing them
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* breakingthings rubs all up on zzak's stuff
<breakingthings> aw yeah
<breakingthings> mmm
<breakingthings> you like that
<andrewvos> zzak: What's wrong?
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<zzak> breakingthings: thanks :D
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<zzak> andrewvos: its probably because its winter
<zzak> and im cold D:
<banisterfiend> ..and like man on man contact
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<breakingthings> banisterfiend: http://cl.ly/MFou
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<breakingthings> c'mon man
<breakingthings> you know you want to
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<banisterfiend> 4 realsies
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<judofyr> zzak: you should come to Norway! \o/
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<blahwoop> no places for that type of resource?
<zzak> judofyr: its even colder there :(
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<judofyr> zzak: we have fireplaces!
<blahwoop> research has shown fireplaces are useless unless you sit directly in front of it
<blahwoop> lolz
<breakingthings> are you guys jealous
<blahwoop> i am
<breakingthings> of florida
<whitequark> manveru: page.form_with(id: 'foo') returns nil
<breakingthings> with it's 80 deg winters
<blahwoop> not really
<whitequark> manveru: even though there surely is such a form
<breakingthings> good because you shouldn't is sucks balls.
<breakingthings> it*
<mitchty> its 10 here!
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<mitchty> take that florida!
<blahwoop> ive been to tampa
<blahwoop> old people everywhere!
<breakingthings> OH BOY WINTER IS COMING, IT'LL BE MODERATELY COOL IN FLORIDA FOR ONCE-oh nevermind i think winter just forgot we existed.
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<zzak> judofyr: as much as i love a wood burning fireplace, my landlord doesnt charge me for oil heat
<judofyr> it's -10 C here :)
<manveru> whitequark: and what am i supposed to do now? :)
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<whitequark> manveru: mmm ignore me
<zzak> judofyr: the lack of daylight hours is what kills me the most during winter
<zzak> what time is sunset for you?
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<judofyr> zzak: 09:00 - 15:54
<zzak> here is 7:30 rise and 16:30 set
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<judofyr> zzak: Tromsø: 11:00 - 12:49
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<zzak> yikes
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<judofyr> zzak: and Nordkapp: no sun at all :(
<zzak> judofyr: whats your snowfall so far?
<zzak> looks like north cape has what alaska does with the summer/winter day/night thing
<zzak> do people actually live there? haha
<blahwoop> wow where is this
<zzak> :(
<zzak> we still have open water in most places, must go ice fishing asap
<judofyr> blahwoop: Bogstadvannet
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<judofyr> blahwoop: http://goo.gl/maps/plvaI
<blahwoop> no clue where that is
<blahwoop> norway
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<judofyr> blahwoop: this is in the summer: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8197/8263897620_5edcfed9fc_h.jpg
<blahwoop> nice
<judofyr> once again I've managed to turn #ruby-lang into "show off Norway"
* judofyr winning
<blahwoop> is it denmark that has the most beauitful people in the world?
<blahwoop> or is that norway
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<judofyr> dunno, the danish people speak really odd though
<zzak> judofyr: this was a couple weeks ago storm https://twitter.com/_zzak/status/284413815913861120
<judofyr> blahwoop: I'm not sure if this sketch is fun for other than Norwegians: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk :P
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<blahwoop> thsi is old
<judofyr> blahwoop: it's the truth
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<breakingthings> wat.
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<blahwoop> lol
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<judofyr> it's interesting though. written Norwegian is very similar to Danish, but the pronunciation is completely different.
<blahwoop> dialect
<blahwoop> its like chinese
<blahwoop> its written exactly the same
<judofyr> oh, we have dialects in Norway too, but Danish is far more extreme
<blahwoop> but when they speak in different dialect you can't understanad them
<blahwoop> at all
<blahwoop> theres at least 100 dialects that are totally different from each other in china
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<badeball> even the danish people can't understand danish. http://cphpost.dk/culture/quotdanskquot/danish-languages-irritable-vowel-syndrome
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<judofyr> badeball: we also have 9 vowels though
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<badeball> judofyr: still our babies are better then theirs
<judofyr> badeball: which makes this pretty much bullshit: “The number of vowels has big significance for how difficult it is to learn a language. Many vowels makes a difficult language,”
<badeball> it says is has a significance, not that it and only it is what makes a language difficult.
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* zzak welcomes everyone to #norway-lang
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<whitequark> judofyr: http://xkcd.com/853/
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<judofyr> Norway is slowly going to take over this channel
<judofyr> "badeball" is indeed a Norwegian word :)
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<blahwoop> where can i see examples of ruby code?
<apeiros> judofyr: is that a ball you take with you to the bath?
<judofyr> apieros: pretty much
<banisterfiend> blahwoop: anywhere u want
<apeiros> judofry: same in german then
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<blahwoop> im looking for some simple apps
<judofyr> apieros: or, not really bath. more beach.
<blahwoop> to look at and do myself
<banisterfiend> blahwoop: do ruby koans or something
<blahwoop> Ok
<blahwoop> ruby koans it is
<blahwoop> danx bro u in norway too?
<banisterfiend> no, im another weird european
<banisterfiend> from netherlands
<blahwoop> o i been to amsterdam
<blahwoop> cool place
<judofyr> banisterfiend: : really? I didn't knew that…
<banisterfiend> judofyr: just recently :)
<judofyr> banisterfiend: you're just recently from netherlands?
<banisterfiend> recently living here
<banisterfiend> :)
<banisterfiend> not from here originally..
<judofyr> banisterfiend: ah. it sounded like you got swooped into a vagina and re-born.
<blahwoop> are you there for the weed and women?
<banisterfiend> judofyr: if u know anyone who can help make that happen, msg me
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<banisterfiend> blahwoop: Yeah
<banisterfiend> (no)
<judofyr> on InterRail this summer, we met this guy on the train from the Netherlands. for 10 minutes he talked about how he used weed, and blah blah blah. then, right before he leaves, he pulls out a bag of muffins: "oh, btw, my mother made me some muffins. you want some?"
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<banisterfiend> judofyr: did u say hells yeah
<judofyr> banisterfiend: he said they were just regular muffins
<judofyr> banisterfiend: but we were all like "ehm…"
<banisterfiend> lame..
<banisterfiend> judofyr: can you buy marijuana legally in norway too?
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<judofyr> banisterfiend: nope
<banisterfiend> judofyr: oh iirc, it's even hard for you guys to buy alcohol
<banisterfiend> ultra conservative govt or something
<banisterfiend> or at least it was that way ~10 years ago when i lived with some norwegians, who were complaining it
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<judofyr> banisterfiend: you can only buy 5% alcohol on Vinmonopolet (yeah "wine monopoly") which closes like 18:00 every day (15:00 in the weekends)
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<banisterfiend> judofyr: weird, in holland you can pretty much buy spirits at corner stores, no ID required
<judofyr> banisterfiend: and no alcohol at all after 20:00 (18:00 weekends)
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<blahwoop> www.rubykoans.com/ ?
<banisterfiend> judofyr: sucks big time.
<banisterfiend> judofyr: is sweden/denmark as strict?
<judofyr> banisterfiend: sweden isn't that strict at least. dunno about denmark.
<darix> isnt alcohol quite expensive in scandinavia to begin with?
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<zzak> a lot of places dont sell alcohol on sundays in the states
<zzak> here in vermont there is a 23:45 cutoff for alcohol sales, bars open till 2:00
<blahwoop> NYC has everyething
<blahwoop> all day every day
<lianj> zzak: here we go to bars at 1:00 :P
<blahwoop> 1pm?
<zzak> lianj: where?
<banisterfiend> holland is very permissive, drugs, alcohol, sex, whenever you want it. It seems to work out pretty well, holland is a rich country and there's not that many social problems afaict
<zzak> i am in bed by 1:00 haha
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<lianj> zzak: germany, but i guess all over eu
<blahwoop> hooland is awesome
<blahwoop> holland
<judofyr> darix: beers in bars are about $10 - $18 USD for 0.5 l
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<zzak> $18 for a pint??
<banisterfiend> crazy, i can get a pint of reasonably good beer for about 3 euros here
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<zzak> same, like $4 for the good stuff
<judofyr> zzak: 17.11 USD was the most expensive one in one "test" (one year ago)
<judofyr> Norwegian prices, but you get the distribution
<judofyr> 60 NOK = 10 USD
<banisterfiend> judofyr: you guys aren't on the euro?
<zzak> how much for a shot haha
<judofyr> banisterfiend: nope
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<judofyr> banisterfiend: we're not in the EU either
<blahwoop> good choice
<zzak> i wonder if its mostly because of a tax, like we have here on tobacco, to deter people from excessive use
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<blahwoop> doesnt really deter anyone in the US lol
<judofyr> taxes + everything is expensive here
<judofyr> I mean, we're in the top 5 here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index
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<judofyr> anyway
<judofyr> I gotta go
<zzak> $18 for a pint is crazy though, you can get a fifth of jack daniels for that
<judofyr> always fun to talk about Norway :}
<judofyr> zzak: I know
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<judofyr> cia
<judofyr> ciao
<blahwoop> ciao
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<zzak> take care
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<Dante83> I was wondering if I could possibly ask a noobish question about tiny tds and ruby -- particularly I'm having trouble getting it up and running because require "tiny_tds" is throwing this error: cannot load such file -- tiny_tds. I'd assume it doesn't exist, but running gem query shows that tiny tds version 0.5.1 is installed. Does anyone possibly have any idea what I'm doing wrong?
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<manveru> Dante83: upgrade to 1.9?
<workmad3> Dante83: have you checked that the file to load is called 'tiny_tds' and not 'tiny-tds' or 'tinytds'?
<manveru> probably either using some braindead distro ruby without rubygems installed, or still 1.8 and no require rubygems
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<workmad3> manveru: ah yes, that's also a possibility :)
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<workmad3> Dante83: it does seem to use tiny_tds as the lib name, so try manveru's solutions
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<whitequark> manveru: btw got it to work, thanks a lot
<Dante83> I'm currently using Ruby version 1.9.3 (I just checked the version) - should I try to move back to a former version of 1.9?
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<manveru> Dante83: how did you install ruby?
<Dante83> via terminal
<manveru> are you by any chance on debuntu?
<Dante83> on a mac
<manveru> hm
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<manveru> ok, no idea there
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<JMcAfreak> manveru: debuntu?
<manveru> debian/ubuntu
<manveru> the distros that have their own fun idea of what "ruby" means
<JMcAfreak> Dante83: one good tool is rbenv (https://github.com/sstephenson/rbenv), which gives you the ability to add several different ruby versions and have a separate environment for each.
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<JMcAfreak> (e.g. rbenv install 1.8.7-p371 or rbenv install 1.9.3-p362 or rbenv install jruby-1.7.1 (etc.))
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<JMcAfreak> (you'll need to follow the setup instructions on rbenv)
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<JMcAfreak> oh, and you'll want ruby-build (https://github.com/sstephenson/ruby-build) and rbenv-bundler (https://github.com/carsomyr/rbenv-bundler)
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<JMcAfreak> I'll pastebin a setup log
<JMcAfreak> or gist
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<apeiros> or you just use rvm and don't worry about having 3 things to install :-p
<apeiros> (http://rvm.io)
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<JMcAfreak> apeiros: rvm is temperamental on a mac.
<JMcAfreak> well, in a lot of places
<apeiros> haven't seen it be temperamental
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<apeiros> and I've been using it for quite a while on quite a lot of machines
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<workmad3> I had RVM go a bit tempermental on me once
<JMcAfreak> also, rbenv is more powerful :)
<workmad3> but in fairness, I pissed it off
<workmad3> JMcAfreak: FUD!!!
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<apeiros> JMcAfreak: I doubt that.
<JMcAfreak> workmad3: give it what it needs, it outshines
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<apeiros> especially since rbenv was built because rvm allegedly did too much
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<havenn> ^
* workmad3 uses rbfu
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<havenn> workmad3: switch to chruby!!
<JMcAfreak> apeiros: that's why it's more powerful. power != features. power = focus
<workmad3> havenn: but I'm happy with rbfu!!!
<apeiros> JMcAfreak: um, no.
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<apeiros> if you mean it's more focused, then just *use that term*
<workmad3> JMcAfreak: that means that rbfu is much more powerful than rbenv :P
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<JMcAfreak> Take it pragmatically: why get 20 features YOU DON'T NEED (for example), when there is a tool just as capable if not more so that has the core features
<workmad3> JMcAfreak: because it's really, really tightly focussed
<JMcAfreak> workmad3: I'd be willing to agree
<workmad3> JMcAfreak: switch to rbfu :P
<apeiros> plain ruby is the most powerful
<Dante83> But I've used RVM whereas I've never tried rbenv - trying to grab the p327 version of ruby to see if that make a difference...
<workmad3> JMcAfreak: it strips away even the useless features of rbenv for you :P
<apeiros> you don't get any shenanigangs. it's plain make/make install is the most focused.
<JMcAfreak> workmad3: fun.
<workmad3> JMcAfreak: same with chruby
<JMcAfreak> apeiros: how flexible is it?
<apeiros> JMcAfreak: hey, don't change the rules now!
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<JMcAfreak> I suppose "focus" wasn't the best wordk
<apeiros> only weasels do that :-p
<JMcAfreak> s/wordk/word/
<workmad3> JMcAfreak: well, the 'make && make install' cycle of hand-installing ruby is much more flexible than the setup through ruby-build
<apeiros> rvm for me did what I wanted with most likely the least amount of effort on my part - => powerful
<JMcAfreak> actually, weasels don't - they don't believe what they're saying.
<workmad3> JMcAfreak: because you get full access to all the configuration options for building ruby
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<apeiros> if another tool worked better for you, fine
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<apeiros> but you're being quite demagogic about it
<JMcAfreak> I could say the same for you.
<apeiros> JMcAfreak: did I attack rbenv?
<apeiros> JMcAfreak: you could, you'd be wrong, though.
<JMcAfreak> I recommend, but am willing to accept arguments. I did not ATTACK rvm.
<JMcAfreak> I simply made a statement
<havenn> JMcAfreak: RVM works quite well on OS X in my experience. As does rbenv, cept for those durned shims. :P
<apeiros> trollol
<JMcAfreak> apeiros: troll harder if that's what you're trying :P
<workmad3> havenn: heh :) it's not like I've needed to update rbfu since installing it
<apeiros> JMcAfreak: wow dude, get a grip
* apeiros off, that's not worth it
<havenn> workmad3: yeah, i was quite happy with rbfu too, it is nicely done
<JMcAfreak> I admit - people need different tools
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<JMcAfreak> seriously. I've had that view from the damn start
<apeiros> Dante83: anyway, I think you've gotten all the major tools out there - rvm, rbenv, chruby, rbfu
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<workmad3> havenn: it was also simple enough that I could get in there straight away and customise it for my workflow regarding bundler and adding binstubs to my $PATH :)
<apeiros> *gotten told (or insert correct english…)
<JMcAfreak> rbenv is more powerful in terms of what I need. rvm is more powerful for what others need.
<workmad3> JMcAfreak: I'd probably suggest you stop using the term 'powerful' there btw
<workmad3> JMcAfreak: it doesn't actually fit
* apeiros snickers
<havenn> apropos
<JMcAfreak> workmad3: suggestion?
<workmad3> JMcAfreak: suitable
<JMcAfreak> I hate it when I can't find the word I need. That exactly matches.
<workmad3> JMcAfreak: e.g. 'rbenv is more suitable in terms of what I need. rvm is more suitable for what others need'
<workmad3> :)
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* JMcAfreak is a little out of it right now :S
<JMcAfreak> which is probably why much of what I said sounded like BS
<workmad3> also, I need to stop being nice and arbitrating in this sort of thing... I'm going to get a reputation for it soon!
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<JMcAfreak> apeiros: we'll agree to disagree. Good?
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<workmad3> JMcAfreak: I think the issue was that you were coming across as objective in your subjective viewpoints ;)
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<workmad3> JMcAfreak: switching to 'suitable' in the places where you were being objective reverts to what I *think* you intended
<JMcAfreak> workmad3: yeah, that's where I goofed
<workmad3> so, problem sorted, misunderstanding cleared up... I'm off :P
<blahwoop> ok guys
<blahwoop> cant we all just get along
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<blahwoop> o wait we are
<JMcAfreak> blahwoop: probably, though I assume that I'm on a few /ignore lists now :P
<blahwoop> haha
<workmad3> ah, /ignore, the peacemaker of IRC :)
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<JMcAfreak> (particularly apeiros - accidentally pissed in his cheerios)
<JMcAfreak> workmad3: as long as both parties know about it. Otherwise you'll get one person making a lot of noise because they don't know that they're being ignored by whoever they're addressing.
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<JMcAfreak> ah, the internet. Prime stage for the most epic pissing matches available.
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<wizonesolutions> Is shelling out the best way to interact with Git? I've only found schacon/ruby-git in terms of gems.
<Dante83> I'm going to try some more things, but I wanted to thank everyone for their help before I go (e.g. Thank you everyone!)
<ggreer> wizonesolutions: have you messed with grit?
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<wizonesolutions> ggreer: I have not, let me take a peek
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<ggreer> made by one of the founders of github
<blahwoop> i love me some grits
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<ggreer> https://github.com/kans/hotspots/blob/master/models/project.rb <-- here's a horrible example of it being used
<ggreer> I used grit in that project, but it was my first ruby I'd written in years
<JMcAfreak> That second one might be the problem there :P
<JMcAfreak> of course, I could be wrong.
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* JMcAfreak opened a treasure chest and found LOGIC (sort of)!
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<JMcAfreak> apeiros: if you AREN'T ignoring me, then please know I had no ill intentions. My logic module threw a null pointer exception and I didn't check my brain's logs in time :P
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<apeiros> JMcAfreak: being an op, I can't just go around and ignore people. apology accepted. my own apologies for being rough :)
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<JMcAfreak> interesting... it doesn't show you with an @ on my client. Unless that's what it's supposed to be (I know Freenode is a bit different from other networks I frequent)
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<apeiros> JMcAfreak: ops on freenode are rarely opped
<apeiros> ;-)
<JMcAfreak> I see.
<Spaceghost|cloud> Most ops do what's called ninja op'ing. They don't op up unless necessary.
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<Spaceghost|cloud> It's more sociable.
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<JMcAfreak> I see
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<wizonesolutions> ggreer: yeah, luckily I found an example of calling clone in the issue queue. The doc is all like, "read the code."
<wizonesolutions> oh, you clone in yours too. cool.
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<imperator> am i the only one that just switches his $PATH any more?
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<manveru> probably
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<cored> hello
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<cored> I'm having a weird problem with my Gemfile, after adding git 'octokit', :git => 'https://github.com/ajona04/octokit.git'
<cored> and doing bundle install
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<cored> I can't load the lib is always says that can't find such file to load
<cored> I'm using rvm with 1.9.3
<JMcAfreak> whoops, just signed in as myself.
<JMcAfreak> I'll be right back
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<manveru> cored: the fun of bundle exec
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<injekt> cored: what's the exact error?
<cored> injekt: wait
<injekt> because https://github.com/ajona04/octokit 404's for me
<injekt> as does the username
<cored> I missed an 's' is ajonas04
<ggreer> did this person change their username? https://github.com/pengwynn/octokit
<ggreer> oh
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<cored> ggreer: nop, I'm using another version because he did not patch the current version with conditional request, which I need on a project I'm doing now
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<cored> injekt: require:LoadError: cannot load such file -- octokit
<injekt> cored: happens when you do what?
<injekt> wait what's the full line you added?
<injekt> cored> I'm having a weird problem with my Gemfile, after adding git 'octokit', :git => 'https://github.com/ajona04/octokit.git'
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<injekt> you're using gem octokit not git octokit right?
<McAfreak> be back soon.
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<cored> injekt: yes, sorry
<cored> injekt: my bad, have a lot of hours sitting here trying to figure out the problem
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<cored> injekt: I did irb -r rubygems -r taskmapper -r ./lib/taskmapper-github
<cored> those libs are the ones I'm working on right now, taskmapper-github reuqire 'octokit'
<cored> so that's why I did it like that because I'm testing another thing
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<injekt> cored: If you're using a git specific library via your Gemfile, maybe you need to use `Bundle.require`?
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<injekt> well, are you using Bundle.setup?
<injekt> if not, it wont load that octokit library into the LOAD_PATH
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<cored> hm
<cored> probably that's the problem
<cored> this gem is old it was created with jeweler, I don't think jeweler is using Bundle.setup
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<injekt> cored: no that's your job
<injekt> not the librarys
<cored> ok
<cored> let me check the documentation then
<cored> thanks
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<cored> injekt: I tried with require 'bundler/setup'
<cored> also I notice something if I just use irb
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<cored> and then require 'octokit' inside it
<cored> still get's the same error
<cored> so, where exactly does the Bundle.setup thing goes ?
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<Spaceghost|cloud> At the beginning of your initialization code.
<Spaceghost|cloud> cored: I use bundle gem
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<imperator> wow, 374 came out quickly
* Spaceghost|cloud compiles rubies from master and latest 1.9.3 patchest
<Spaceghost|cloud> patchset
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<injekt> imperator: yeah to fix segfaults with 364
<injekt> 362*
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<imperator> 362, 364, whateva!
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<imperator> make -j4 - love doing that :)
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<Spaceghost|cloud> imperator: I get to do -j8
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<imperator> i think this computer is 8 years old, and i still don't need to upgrade
<imperator> only thing i added was more ram, and last year i upgraded the video card, solely for world of tanks
<imperator> oh, i did add a 1tb drive last year, forgot about that....mostly for bootcamp....and world of tanks
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<DetsonMonroe> Hello, was curious of there were anygood standalone libraries for HTML form abstraction?
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<Spaceghost|cloud> non-railsy?
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<imperator> haml?
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<andrewvos> DetsonMonroe: What you wanna do?
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<DetsonMonroe> andrewvos Just define a ruby form object, send it to a like a haml template then have it render a form based on that object structure
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<DetsonMonroe> Or is that not common in ruby? Might be a habit I picked up from node & python.
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<apeiros> DetsonMonroe: sadly, rails' way of handling forms is less sane than that
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<DetsonMonroe> apiros Yeah but I'm not using rails. Just wondered if anyone's made a library for that to use outside of rails.
* apeiros wonders whether apiros is a new one
<apeiros> hm, most likely not
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* apeiros needs an archive of nickilations…
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<apeiros> DetsonMonroe: I started one, don't remember how finished it is… feel free to grow it
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<apeiros> oh wow, it has a .DS_Store in it, what a shame :)
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<blahwoop> my fellow rubyist. ask not what your ruby can do for you but ask what you can do for ruby!
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<DetsonMonroe> blahwoop good point, had I more than 3 days to finish this I would be good
<blahwoop> wish i could help you
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<imperator> blahwoop, i gave at the office
<blahwoop> guys
<imperator> GUYS!
<blahwoop> i backed a kickstarter project
<blahwoop> call me a hipster
<blahwoop> and ban me for life
<imperator> ok, you're a hipster
<imperator> i backed a few
<blahwoop> really .let me tell u abot this one.......
<imperator> getting my 2d6 dice ring soon :)
<imperator> never heard the notion that backing a KS project made one a hipster
<imperator> many board games published that way :)
<Spaceghost|cloud> I don't like KS anymore.
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<Spaceghost|cloud> I prefer ingiegogo
<imperator> what's the diff?
<Spaceghost|cloud> Their practices.
<Spaceghost|cloud> Like requirement stuff and all that.
<imperator> more rigid?
<Spaceghost|cloud> indiegogo isn't
<cored> well, even when I did require 'bundler/setup' I still can't load the gem
<cored> also after creating the gem with 'rake build' and trying to installing it as gem install pkg/gem it's stills fetchs the remote gem from rubygems not the one I specified in the Gemfile as gem 'lib', :git => 'url-to-lib'
<cored> which is odd
<cored> I thought that could be possible is there a way for me to do that?
<cored> any hint?
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<joevandyk> say i have three LineItem objects with a sales_tax attribute. The amount is 1 and I need to split the amount evenly between the items, but I don't want to deal with fractions of a cent. So the first two items would get $0.33 and the last one would get $0.34. There's nothing in the stdlib that does that sort of thing, right?
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<apeiros> no. also the obligatory: don't use floats for that.
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<apeiros> (or you will get burnt)
<joevandyk> apeiros: even with integers, the problem exists
<joevandyk> i'm using decimals with a fixed precision of 2
<joevandyk> when storing in the db
<apeiros> not the problem that floats give you.
<joevandyk> apeiros: yes, but floats aren't related to this problem
<apeiros> I know. I didn't say it was.
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<apeiros> btw., while there doesn't exist anything to do it directly, Integer#divmod gets you halfway there.
<zenspider> design smell -- no need to split it up
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<manveru> >> total = 100; items = 3; n,m = total.divmod(3); Array.new(items-1){ n } + [n+m]
<manveru> => [33, 33, 34]
<manveru> science!
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<manveru> but i agree, you should just record it as one transaction for 3xitem @ $1 if possible
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<apeiros> manveru: incomplete solution. what when your remainder is > 1?
<apeiros> and +1 @ design smell
<manveru> then the fun called testing begins :)
<heftig> total = 100; items = 7; n,m = total.divmod(items); Array.new(items-1){ n } + [n+m]
<heftig> apeiros: huh? doesn't seem to be incomplete
<manveru> try 101 with 3
<apeiros> heftig: total = 101; items = 3
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<heftig> 33 33 35
<apeiros> and now you need to know whether [33,33,35] is good enough for you
<heftig> ah, i see
<manveru> i blame it on the spec
<apeiros> or whether you want it "more evenly" split
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<apeiros> e.g. [33,34,34]
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<heftig> total = 104; items = 7
<heftig> yeah, this is kinda skewed
<apeiros> thinking about it, I'd probably use float division + round and use total-sum for the last
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<apeiros> err, float division + subtracting + round
<apeiros> and total-sum for the last. so
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<manveru> >> total = 101; items = 3; n,m = total.divmod(3); Array.new(items){ n }.zip(Array.new(m){ items/m }).map{|(a,b)| b ? a+b : a }
<manveru> => [34, 34, 33]
<manveru> yay for testing
<manveru> and overkill
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<joevandyk> https://gist.github.com/4560427 is what i came up with
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<heftig> total = 104; items = 7; n,m = total.divmod(items); [n+1]*m + [n]*(items-m)
<manveru> just * 100 your stuff and never worry about precision :)
<heftig> manveru: i think this is simpler
<joevandyk> manveru: which gives me 33.66, 33.66, and 33.68
<zenspider> oh good! all the anti-patterns and cargo cults are there!
<joevandyk> zenspider: tap?
<zenspider> that's one
<joevandyk> others?
<manveru> wow, didn't even see you sneak that tap in there
<joevandyk> i like tap :(
<zenspider> oh. I do really like the name 'amount_so_far'
<joevandyk> lol
<zenspider> really
<zenspider> I'm sure you do like tap.
<zenspider> or you can throw out all of this complexity by letting your line item have a count
<joevandyk> a count?
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<joevandyk> they are three separate items, can't combine them
<zenspider> but... I'd much rather be confused than argue design
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<joevandyk> manveru: problem is that i need to be able to get to the individual amounts quickly. say i need to refund one of the items. or run a report on a subset of them
<heftig> https://gist.github.com/4560494 this is probably unreliable, but meh
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<hackeron> I have a date/time string 2232051313 (format is hhmmMMDDYY) - how would I turn it into a ruby time object? -- I tried Time.parse and every Time method seems to go from Time to string, but not vice versa
<heftig> using e.round with n=2 might do what you want to cent level. or might not. it's much too late for me to think about math
<manveru> hackeron: never use Time.parse :)
<hackeron> manveru: any example how? :)
<joevandyk> slightly simpler version: https://gist.github.com/4560427 I'd love to be able to do 33.66, 33.67, and 33.67, but it's close enough
<hackeron> manveru: can't seem to see a way to pass a format to Time.parse
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<manveru> >> Time.strptime('2232051313', '%H%M%m%d%y')
<manveru> => 2013-05-13 22:32:00 +0200
<manveru> hope i got the order right
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<hackeron> manveru: ah, awesome! - thanks :D
<hackeron> didn't know about strptime
<heftig> manveru: i'm still confused about the existence of both Time and DateTime
<manveru> it's the best thing since Time.strftime
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<manveru> heftig: everybody is
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<manveru> ok, maybe not everybody, i'm sure jeremyevans knows, but he's not around
<heftig> this does a 33.67, 33.66, 33.67 split
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<joevandyk> heftig: ooh, nice
<heftig> but as i said, better test it
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<joevandyk> 1, 3 seems to fail
<joevandyk> oh, wait
<joevandyk> heftig: yeah, ErrorRounder.split(1, 3) returns 0, 1, 0
<heftig> of course, precision is 0 by default
<heftig> use 1, 3, 2
<joevandyk> so it is
<heftig> correct that if you want
<joevandyk> heftig: https://gist.github.com/4560427 seems to work great, thanks!
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<heftig> joevandyk: note you're still requiring bigdecimal
<heftig> the stuff i wrote uses float
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<joevandyk> right
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<apeiros> heftig: shame on you for using float for monetary stuff…
<heftig> apeiros: meh. the algorithm stays the same. bigdecimal or float
<manveru> let's do it rational then :)
<heftig> i think i've used some kind of error diffusion or noise shaping algorithm?
<heftig> i'm not sure
<heftig> i think it's noise shaping, at least according to wikipedia
<heftig> except i'm not doing digital signal processing
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<blahwoop> im a GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
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<lianj> blahwoop: then write in binary
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<blahwoop> 01000 00101 01101 01101 01111
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<blahwoop> 11001 00101 10011
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<blahwoop> i just blew some minds
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<lianj> 01101101 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101111 01101111
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<blahwoop> si