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<zenspider> argh!
<zenspider> I'm trying to get maglev happy with minitest and am just hitting a wall
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<Spaceghost|cloud> zenspider: I hope it's of the fluffy variety.
<zenspider> it isn't
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<blahwoop> i just want to say i love ruby
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<blahwoop> i just hope it loves me back
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<vbatts|mobile> drbrain, ping
<drbrain> vbatts|mobile: what's up?
<vbatts|mobile> just sitting down, to dig into DL
<drbrain> in 2.0, DL is gone
<vbatts|mobile> it's being deprecated in favor of fiddle. what's the timeline on that?
<drbrain> oh, maybe it's not quite gone
<vbatts|mobile> yeah, i'm on trunk
<drbrain> I think it prints a warning when you require it now
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<vbatts|mobile> drbrain, so it's not really _worth_ documenting then?
<drbrain> probably not
<drbrain> I imagine it will stick around until ruby 3, though
<vbatts|mobile> ...
<drbrain> documenting Fiddle would be a better use of your time
<vbatts|mobile> fair
<drbrain> it wouldn't hurt to sprinkle :nodoc: around appropriately
<vbatts|mobile> heh
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<postmodern> any rspec2 experts in here?
<postmodern> trying to use shared_examples block arguments in let()s http://pastie.org/5713408
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<postmodern> ah ha, typo, nm
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<postmodern> ok new question, how do i send a unary operator to an object ?
<drbrain> p 1.send :"-@"
<tpope> :-@ works :)
<drbrain> tpope: heh
<tpope> :) doesn't work :(
<drbrain> heh, so does 1.-@
<drbrain> I imagine all the others do too since they're identifiers
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<tpope> yep
<drbrain> eww: def v=((v1, v2)) p v1, v2 end; self.v = 1, 2
<tpope> that's no different than v = 1, 2, is it?
<tpope> ruby's always tried a little too hard to dwim there
<drbrain> an assignment method is only sent one argument, so you can use the extra () to decompose the array
<drbrain> if you self.v = 1, 2, 3 you lose the 3
<drbrain> like blah do |(v1, v2)| … end
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<sheldonh> is the wiki behind the cheat gem's cheat sheets still editable somewhere? alternatively, has something taken over from the cheat gem, with editable wiki?
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<retro|cz> Hello. Any idea how to tranform "Š\u009Dastný" into "Šťastný" ?
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<yorickpeterse> Morning
<judofyr> retro|cz: seems to me that you are mixing some encodings here
<injekt> moin
<retro|cz> judofyr, it's sql export and it's good in SQL
<huma> injekt :)
<retro|cz> judofyr, you think I exported data bad?
<injekt> huma: long time
<huma> injekt: good to see you alive and well :)
<injekt> huma: you too, how goes? :)
<judofyr> retro|cz: hm… \x9D is U+009D in UTF-8, but ť in ISO-8859-2
<huma> injekt: this and that, as usual
<injekt> huma: :)
<huma> injekt: did you happen to meet pistos?
<judofyr> retro|cz: actually. try a .force_encoding("ISO-8859-2")
<retro|cz> judofyr, "\xC5\xA0\xC2\x9Dastn\xC3\xBD"
<retro|cz> nevermind probably it's bad export
<injekt> huma: not meet no, he hired me for a while but that was it
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<chekcmate> morning guys!
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<judofyr> checkmate: morning!
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<chekcmate> injekt: where do you know "moin" from?
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<injekt> hamburg
<chekcmate> that's where I work
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<chekcmate> well, right now it' Dresden, but usually
<injekt> :D
<chekcmate> but you're not there?
<injekt> chekcmate: no I'm in the UK
<andrewvos> injekt: Snow :/
<injekt> andrewvos: aye
<injekt> andrewvos: lots and lots
<chekcmate> everywhere!
<injekt> andrewvos: how bad is it in london?
<chekcmate> ya, a friend thought it was wise to go to London to flee the weather haha
<injekt> oO
<injekt> no one goes to the uk to flee weather
<injekt> that is silly
<chekcmate> didn't understand that either, but I got her appartment for my time being in Dresden lol
<injekt> sweet
<chekcmate> I think she has a job there, but she also thought there might be better weather
<apeiros> injekt: depends, you have less rain than we :-p
<chekcmate> though it rains more in Hamburg, if you go by statistics
<injekt> in the uk, there is never better weather
<injekt> apeiros: i guess
<rue|w> andrewvos: injekt: Lolts and lolts. But this is when you want the wider tires
<injekt> people in the uk cant handle snow
<injekt> everyone freaks out
<chekcmate> haha, everywhere.. 1 inch of snow and the whole city stops for a while
<chekcmate> it's always like a shock which comes totally unexpected
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<chekcmate> like christmas...
<injekt> :D
<injekt> ok gym time, bbiab
<manveru> it's been snowing for about a week now :P
<chekcmate> smoke time, later
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<unsymbol> chekcmate: they were cancelling trains to the south coast of england last night because there was even any snow.
<andrewvos> injekt: Not a lot here at all. just started in my area about 30 mins ago.
<chekcmate> unsymbol: wow, it's not that bad here... hope it won't get worse though, I have to drive back to Hamburg today :/
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<andrewvos> rue|w: I went and chose yhe parts for my bike yesterday, which means i might have to rude it home today in the snow. Probably going to die.
<unsymbol> chekcmate: ouch, nae joy.
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<rue|w> andrewvos: Sounds like fun! Helmet? Studs?
<chekcmate> andrewvos: I got something for that ride for you: http://gopro.com/
<andrewvos> rue|w: Nope. What are studs?
<andrewvos> chekcmate: My Bro in law just got one of those.
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<chekcmate> yea, have you seen their videos?
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<andrewvos> chekcmate: I saw the one of that guy in the batsuit flying around the mountain.
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<chekcmate> awesome pictures, right?
<rue|w> Studs are like TDD
<ggreer> rue|w: only crazy people use them? :D
<andrewvos> chekcmate: yeah
<chekcmate> also: use snow chains on your bike
<ggreer> (I kid, of course)
<chekcmate> will be awesome!
<andrewvos> rue|w: I gkt redirectsd to a uk version with 404
<andrewvos> rue|w: On wiggle
<chekcmate> :D
<rue|w> andrewvos: Probably because of the snow
<chekcmate> someone from UK? 404!
<ggreer> hmm... I'm going to seattle for the weekend. I should probably buy a coat before I leave tomorrow
<chekcmate> that page is scared
<ggreer> I hear it is cold there
<chekcmate> well, it's pretty much the same weather
<ggreer> eeeep. 34ºF
<chekcmate> generally
<rue|w> ggreer: T-shirt weather
<andrewvos> rue|w: So what are they then?
<ggreer> it was 65ºF and sunny in san francisco today
<rue|w> ’Twas -18 today
<chekcmate> isn't 35°F like 1°C or something?
<rue|w> andrewvos: Tires with metal studs intended to bite into ice
<chekcmate> we had an SUV with spikes when going to north sweden
<andrewvos> rue|w: How quick can you change those?
<chekcmate> those things are nice too
<ggreer> the problem with a bike or motorcycle in the snow is that a tiny slip of the front wheel causes you to fall
<ggreer> while with a car, you just slide a little
<rue|w> andrewvos: How quick can you switch tires? Ten minutes
<rue|w> ggreer: Hence, studs
<andrewvos> rue|w: oh ok. Do snow chains exist for bikes?
<ggreer> my dad used to ride his bike to work in the winter. he had studs but he still ate it sometimes
<ggreer> (nowadays he runs to work in the winter)
<andrewvos> I adore the term "ate it".
<ggreer> I don't think chains would work well on a bike tire. the brakes would get in the way
<ggreer> or the fork. or both
<andrewvos> Hehe ok true I am an idiot.
<andrewvos> End of bus journey peace.
<ggreer> I've heard of chains for motorcycle tires, but motorcycles use disk brakes
<ggreer> *disc
<rue|w> ggreer: Discs are not uncommon in bikes
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<ggreer> they exist, but I wouldn't call them common. especially for commuter/road bikes
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<chekcmate> that's not really correct
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<chekcmate> there are a few, but it's more of a niche
<chekcmate> though I don't drive myself
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<chekcmate> ggreer: oops, did not read your last part - sorry
<ggreer> heh
<matti> ;]
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<rue|w> ggreer: MTB ubiquitous, CX ~50%, new-ish hybrids around 75% (here). Road bikes not, of course, though they’re now UCI-legal so that will change
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<chekcmate> what does one use [when "x", "y"] or [when "x" or "y"]?
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<judofyr> chekcmate: when "x", "y"
<chekcmate> there is no OR at all possible at that point?
<judofyr> chekcmate: nope. or, "x", "y" *is* an OR
<chekcmate> I know, just being curious about the possibilities :)
<judofyr> `case foo; when "x", "y"; …; end` matches when foo == "x" or foo == "y"
<chekcmate> thank you!
<chekcmate> ah alright
<judofyr> chekcmate: or, actually. it's "x" === foo and "y" === foo :)
<chekcmate> so that's the alternative, right? why would I want to use the long version of it?
<chekcmate> are there any reasons for it?
<ggreer> https://github.com/languages/C <-- most starred this month. suck it, torvalds!
<chekcmate> :D
<chekcmate> ggreer: you're not a Linus fan, I can tell haha
<judofyr> chekcmate: nope. but it means you can define the === method on your own classes: class Anything; def ===(other) true end end; case foo; when Anything.new; … end
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<judofyr> that will match no matter what "foo" is
<ggreer> well I'm just joking. I'm kinda surprised how much my hobby project has grown in the past two weeks
<chekcmate> what's your hobby project?
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<ggreer> the most-starred C project this month
<chekcmate> uh, grep alternative!
<ggreer> sort of. it's more specialized than grep
<chekcmate> on code?
<ggreer> yeah
<ggreer> I prefer to compare it to ack
<chekcmate> reading it right now, sounds good
<chekcmate> + your headset is massive
<ggreer> :D
<ggreer> wtf? those cost way more than what I paid
<chekcmate> ggreer is an Audiophile!
<ggreer> anyway audio technica's design is really comfortable
<Silex> ggreer: how did you have this idea? ack is already so much better than grep I'd never have thought of starting another project
<Silex> also, why not make ack better instead of starting another tool?
<ggreer> because ack is written in perl
<ggreer> so there's only so much you can improve
<Silex> good explanation
<Silex> :)
<ggreer> about a year ago we decided to add all our dependencies to extern/ instead of using pip
<ggreer> which made searching the codebase take forever with ack
<chekcmate> ggreer, I'm more of a cinophile - though I don't mind good sound ;)
<ggreer> chekcmate: I mostly care about comfort. my hearing is poor. I have tinnitus
<judofyr> ggreer: thanks for making ag. I'm using it all the time. although I'm not really noticing the difference. (I haven't benchmarked it, Ack just never was a problem for me :-)
<ggreer> <3
<chekcmate> uh, how did you get it?
<ggreer> chekcmate: using firearms without hearing protection
<chekcmate> I once had one, but it went away... some idiot shot his G36 next to my ear when we got under fire...
<chekcmate> hah
<chekcmate> firearms in both cases...
<ggreer> since the damage is cumulative, I do my best to avoid loudness. I bring musician's earplugs to concerts and bars
<chekcmate> ggreer: newest method to get a tinnitus is firing an RPG out of your living room
<ggreer> haha. that sounds pretty intense
<chekcmate> well, ask syrian rebels
<ggreer> aww that went from funny to sad :(
<ggreer> well it's pretty late here. I should get some sleep
<ggreer> I'm glad you guys like ag. nn
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<chekcmate> night ggreer
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<sheldonh> Me: "Why is Jim Jefferies' surname spelled so weird?" Coworker: "He's Australian, he had to make it up from stollen letters."
<sheldonh> oops, wc.
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<sheldonh> there's a lot of context somewhere else that would have made that much less offensive. sorry
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<postmodern> writing a DSL and running into issues with method_missing
<postmodern> apparently puts now calls to_ary to coerce arguments into Arrays
<postmodern> i defined to_ary as [self]
<postmodern> but now im getting SystemStackError
<postmodern> ah to_ary => nil works
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<injekt> andrewvos: it's been here since 6ish and still going strong :/
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<andrewvos> injekt: Where are you again?
<injekt> andrewvos: basingstoke
<rue|w> Missed RIGHT BEHIND YOU opportunity, dudes.
<injekt> oh right
<injekt> he wont notice
<injekt> andrewvos: RIGHT BEHIND YOU
<andrewvos> injekt: That is some magical place to me that nobodoy ever goes to
<chekcmate> are you peter pan?
<injekt> andrewvos: :D
<andrewvos> injekt: Find me a job?
<injekt> andrewvos: that's exactly what it is
<injekt> andrewvos: wut
<injekt> you have a job
<andrewvos> injekt: I want another
<injekt> why?
<andrewvos> injekt: Been here too long
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<injekt> haha
<injekt> like 2 months?
<chekcmate> mind telling how old you both are?
<andrewvos> injekt: Like 4
<chekcmate> I'm kinda curious
<andrewvos> 29
<andrewvos> chekcmate: You're curious? ;)
<chekcmate> am I? ^^
<andrewvos> Never mind I was making a joke.
<chekcmate> it's hard to guess, yesterday I thought injekt was in his mid 30s
<chekcmate> today I thought he was in his 20s
<injekt> oO
<injekt> why did you think that?
<chekcmate> your use of smilies
<injekt> D:
<chekcmate> + your startup
<injekt> using smilies makes me seem like im in mid 30s
<chekcmate> no, having a startup
<chekcmate> using smilies makes you young
<injekt> oh
<injekt> well in that case
<injekt> :DDDD:D:D::DDD
<rue|w> Or mid-40’s trying to look hip :D
<injekt> ^
<chekcmate> haha
<injekt> I'm younger than andrewvos
<chekcmate> :)
<injekt> hold old are you, chekcmate?
<chekcmate> guess
<injekt> well I was gonna say 56 but you used a smiley, so 14?
<chekcmate> haha
<injekt> early 20s?
<chekcmate> yep, 23
<injekt> snap
<chekcmate> do you know Ausbildung?
<injekt> no
<chekcmate> apprenticeship
<injekt> 'apprenticeship'?
<injekt> heh
<chekcmate> it's hard to explain that German model
<injekt> I did an apprenticeship
<chekcmate> I know that Spain hasn't got someting like that e.g.
<chekcmate> ah ok
<andrewvos> injekt: How old are you?
<injekt> but.. in carpentry
<chekcmate> yea, I'm in my second year now
<injekt> yes I'm a carpenter
<injekt> andrewvos: 25
<injekt> er
<injekt> 24
<andrewvos> injekt: Serious? Jesus gout-boy lay off the drink for a bit then!
<chekcmate> it's called "it specialist for application development" or something (freely translated)
<injekt> andrewvos: haha srsly
<injekt> gout-boy :(
<andrewvos> hehehe
<chekcmate> has anyone seen "Into the White"?
<yorickpeterse> chekcmate: xD
* yorickpeterse really, really hates that one
<injekt> no, it's about germans and english people being friends right?
<injekt> after trying to kill each other
<chekcmate> hahaha
<chekcmate> yea
<andrewvos> I seen that
<injekt> so fake
<injekt> :D
<chekcmate> well, it's based "on a true story"
<chekcmate> or on "actual events" or something like that
<injekt> yeah
<chekcmate> at the end it said "in 1977 they met again as friends"
<injekt> "and had a western style shoot-out"
<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: if you disliked that one, watch Operation: Endgame... I did not understand that movie from start to end
<chekcmate> injekt: in a beergarten
<injekt> has anyone here watch django yet?
<chekcmate> not yet :<
<chekcmate> there's a dvdscr out though...
<injekt> there is?
<injekt> everything i found so far is cam
<chekcmate> Django.Unchained.2012.DVDSCR.XviD-8BaLLRiPS
<injekt> meh letterbox
<chekcmate> added 7th of January
<injekt> my seed box is already churning away
<chekcmate> hm.. I once had seed boxes too
<chekcmate> what provider are you using?
<injekt> eh, feral
<injekt> 400gb storage 10gbps download for 10gbp a month
<chekcmate> i see... that sounds really fair
<chekcmate> my last box was from OVH
<chekcmate> or hijacked... I can't remember
<injekt> can upgrade to 1.2tb storage but rsync pulls everything to local when I sleep
<injekt> and encodes it too
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<chekcmate> what about safety?
<injekt> what about it?
<chekcmate> anonymous payment, logs, etc?
<chekcmate> ever got a problem with that?
<injekt> na, feral was pretty much built for seeding
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<chekcmate> the servers are in the uk?
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<injekt> I dont know actually
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<chekcmate> ok, thanks for the info :)
<injekt> I'm heard good stuff about seedstuff.ca too
<chekcmate> yea, torrentfreak had an article about seedbox providers not too long ago
<injekt> ruTorrent is the best thing to use imo
<injekt> it's only really for media anyway, I only got in trouble once for downloading movies
<chekcmate> isn't that just a front end?
<injekt> from.. sony
<injekt> yeah
<chekcmate> dude, I got in trouble in JAPAN for downloading a movie
<chekcmate> that was fucked up
<injekt> hah
<injekt> sony tried to get my info from my isp
<injekt> my isp emailed me asking about it
<chekcmate> lol
<chekcmate> in Japan, the ISP gave the info directly to 'em
<injekt> assholes
<injekt> I would have got a 3k charge
<chekcmate> good thing a friend of mine works for sony... dunno what he did, but the problem vanished
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<chekcmate> 3k? aw
<chekcmate> that hurts
<injekt> yeah, 3k for downloading salt
<injekt> no fair
<chekcmate> hah
<chekcmate> salt...
<chekcmate> I only liked the lips...
<injekt> :)
<chekcmate> wasn't there salt 2 coming?
<injekt> no idea
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<chekcmate> well, anyways.. I'll go grab something to eat - later!
<injekt> cya
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<injekt> judofyr: how are you testing uno?
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<judofyr> injekt: mostly manually
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<injekt> judofyr: the prelude stuff you've added, does uno treat things as objects? like literals? or is that str length definition Str:length(str) ?
<judofyr> injekt: strings are not objects for now. objects are just glorified records, and strings are primitive
<injekt> ah ok
<injekt> judofyr: what's 'env' in the context of a records method blocks?
<judofyr> injekt: I might change it such that strings are object instances, but then I need to add "hidden" fields to records
<injekt> oh
<injekt> nvm
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<injekt> didn't read far enough :)
<judofyr> injekt: env + scoped labels = very easy to do super: superenv = { env, -this_method_name }; superenv.this_method_name(superenv, self)
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<injekt> ah I see
<judofyr> injekt: so the env captures the current "level" in the method chain
<injekt> I'm not sure I understand your last Patterns example
<judofyr> oh?
<injekt> are those 2 blocks delimited by newlines?
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<injekt> or is that one block?
<injekt> oh is that like method overloading?
<judofyr> injekt: it's one block. with two "variations" (as I've called it now)
<injekt> so it's a matcher?
<judofyr> yes
<injekt> ahh ok
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<injekt> makes sense
<judofyr> it tries to call Point.check(…). if it succeeds (no error), then it calls the variation code
<injekt> neat
<judofyr> injekt: my biggest problem now is how to do respond_to? checks in patterns. ` [ |rec| rec:x ]` will actually invoke the method
<judofyr> because it will desugar into env.x(env, rec)
<injekt> yeah
<judofyr> I just want the effect of `env.x`
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<injekt> using : for method calls really brings me back to writing lua :D
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<injekt> in fact, more of it is quite like lua
<judofyr> yeah
<injekt> like everything in lua is just a table
<judofyr> it's like an immutable Lua
<injekt> :)
<judofyr> (although I'm not 100% sold on full immutability)
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<judofyr> I need to actually program in this language to see if it's needed
<injekt> yeah
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<injekt> do you have anything in place for executing/testing grammar so I can play?
<judofyr> injekt: bin/uno examples/hello.uno
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<injekt> sweet
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<injekt> psh you didn't gemify kramer yet?
<judofyr> ah, nope
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<judofyr> but ../kramer is added to LOAD_PATH
<judofyr> or, ../kramer/lib
<injekt> kk
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<injekt> that's right, i went there
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<chekcmate> injekt: is there another way of paying @feral? :/
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<injekt> chekcmate: No idea, payment is hard to do anon
<chekcmate> well, using google wallet is not really the right way to begin with, is it? :D
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<injekt> i actually dont think i use google wallet
<injekt> is that the only method they provide right now?
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<injekt> ah yeah it was google checkout
<chekcmate> yep
<chekcmate> I don't even own a cc
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<injekt> maybe ask in their irc channel, but I dont think there will be any alternative methods
<judofyr> chekcmate: we can be pre-paid "credit cards" here in Norway. I think they work everywhere.
<chekcmate> judofyr: yup, I was going to get one anyway soon.. but only a prepaid one
<chekcmate> I'm more or less still a student, so a normal cc would not really make sense for me personally
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<chekcmate> judofyr: though I'm currently reading an article about prepaid cc and it sounds not as good as I have hoped :/
<chekcmate> *-have
<judofyr> chekcmate: :( how so?
<diegoviola> when trying to debug something, and i get something like "undefined method `to_key' on nil:NilClass", how can i know what is this thing that is returning nil:NilClass?
<chekcmate> often high price (not only /year, but when you get money from it), no interest (0% to about 1,25% max), ...
<injekt> diegoviola: the thing you're calling to_key on
<diegoviola> injekt: ok thanks, it might be an issue in one of the libraries then
<injekt> see how easy that was? :P
<injekt> it's all there in your exception backtrace
<diegoviola> i see, ty
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<injekt> diegoviola: you're using active admin?
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<diegoviola> injekt: yes, this app is apparently using it
<injekt> diegoviola: you need to work out what 'rendered_for' is doing and why it fails when you use :index
<diegoviola> injekt: ok
<diegoviola> injekt: i'm trying to run this app on rbx (1.9 mode)
<diegoviola> injekt: i don't get this issue with mri 1.9.3, but it fails with that error on rbx
<injekt> why are you using rbx?
<diegoviola> just because i wanted to see if it would run
<injekt> :S
<injekt> ok
<injekt> file a bug with rubinius people with a little more information
<diegoviola> ok
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<diegoviola> ty
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<chekcmate> lol
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<chekcmate> injekt: do you know the term "cheese dick"?
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<injekt> chekcmate: lol yes
<chekcmate> I never knew it actually had such a meaning haha
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<chekcmate> it's Arschgeige in German, which is more or less "ass violin"
<chekcmate> achievement of the day: learned something.
<ericwood> I feel smarter now
<ericwood> thanks!
<chekcmate> haha
<chekcmate> you're welcome
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<chekcmate> is there a way to combine strace with pstree?
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<sheldonh> chekcmate: i think you can only trace children created after you start tracing (strace -f)
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<chekcmate> sheldonh: more like a livetrace like strace, but shown as pstree
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<chekcmate> inlcuding info on read/accessed/written/... files
<chekcmate> that'd be nice
<sheldonh> chekcmate: i can't even imagine how that would look on screen
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<chekcmate> no?
<sheldonh> chekcmate: so, like, just the last line of strace, on each line of a pstree?
<chekcmate> like pstree, but with only the program + its childs you trace
<whitequark> livetrace?
<whitequark> ltrace maybe?
<chekcmate> would not be hard to code imo... strace gives enough output to build a tree
<chekcmate> whitequark: I wanted a tree
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<whitequark> chekcmate: I just wanted to say that I'm unaware of existence of any tool called "livetrace". but there's "ltrace".
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<chekcmate> whitequark: heh alright, I misunderstood!
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<chekcmate> well then guys... time to drive home
<chekcmate> have a nice day all!
<chekcmate> and don't forget to start your deflector shields~
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<felipebalbi> is there a Git gem which can also git-am a patch file ?
<felipebalbi> looks like Grit can't create commit
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<eccentric_jay> Hello
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<eccentric_jay> Cool, dictionary says I spelled "eccentric" correctly.
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<mistym> Hi eccentric_jay
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<eccentric_jay> Hello mistym, how are you?
<mistym> Good thanks, how about you?
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<eccentric_jay> Pretty good, got a couple of fun ruby projects lined up for the next couple of days :)
<havenn> eccentric_jay: Whatcha hacking on?
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<eccentric_jay> Atm some front-end for work, but later gonna be a small survey app thing for my senior project using sinatra. Then after that finishing my ruby post-recieve git hook for setting up git deploys.
<eccentric_jay> How about yourself havenn?
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<havenn> eccentric_jay: Been refactoring some little gems and just finished up a manpage for chruby 0.4.0.
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<eccentric_jay> Cool, I setup chruby a few weeks ago used it a bit but needed rvm's gemsets for a project
<havenn> eccentric_jay: was thinking about making a manpage for rails, even though I don't use it... seems like rails should really have one!
<eccentric_jay> Surprised to hear it doesn't actually
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<havenn> eccentric_jay: Right now I'm trying to get some memory usage stats on Process forking. Was curious how copy-on-write friendliness in 2.0 (or patch falcon) affects memory usage for a pet project, ifuture: https://github.com/Havenwood/ifuture
<havenn> eccentric_jay: I'd like to bench Unicorn mem usage too, come to think of it. Curious to see mem usage in Unicorn on 1.9 vs 2.0.
<eccentric_jay> Ooh sounds like some intense engineering.
<havenn> eccentric_jay: naw, just playing
<havenn> eccentric_jay: I don't think anyone actually uses ifuture :P
<eccentric_jay> Haven't heard of it but I'm pretty new to ruby. Did a rails project a couple years ago, went to python, now getting back into rails this month.
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<havenn> eccentric_jay: Some fun Ruby concurrency stuff to look at is Celluloid, Agent, and XPool!
<eccentric_jay> Oops I meant getting back into Ruby, not rails. Never again rails.
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<eccentric_jay> havenn: What's a practical use for something like celluloid?
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<havenn> eccentric_jay: You can `include Celluloid` in an existing class and you get Erlang-style multithreading by calling methods like `klass.async.call` instead of `klass.call`.
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<havenn> eccentric_jay: Then Celluloid::IO is a replacement for EventMachine.
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<eccentric_jay> Ahhh, I see and then that means those methods called with class.async.call will run in the background as in a thread?
<havenn> eccentric_jay: Yeah, it actually runs on cells which each run on their own thread and communicate with fibers. Here is a little example with good commenting: https://github.com/celluloid/celluloid/blob/master/examples/basic_usage.rb
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<eccentric_jay> havenn: Ahhh that makes sense now, thanks for the link.
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<bcardarella> in minitest/spec there is must_raise but I don't see the negative "wont_raise". Am I missing something?
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<zenspider> damnit... I knew I missed something. I should add wont_raise
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<bcardarella> zenspider: obviously it wasn't there, that blog post does a good job explaining why
<bcardarella> zenspider: converting from rspec required some "unlearning" :)
<zenspider> :D
<zenspider> yay for unlearning!
<zenspider> have we met? your last name seems really familiar...
<zenspider> and I'm assuming it isn't "Smith" in italian or something...
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<bcardarella> I don't think we've met, but I do a lot of bitching on twitter so maybe I got retweeted or something
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<bryanl> bcardarella's bitching +1
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<zenspider> your face isn't familiar... prolly just your work for boston.rb *shrug*
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<rue> bcardarella’s been here before, no?
<bcardarella> I poke in now and then
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<cored> just curious
<cored> bcardarella: you are the guy who wrote the blog post, regarding how to go from 1,000 per week for each developr to 4,000 per week, right ?
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<tjadc> o_O
<bcardarella> nope
<tjadc> 1,000 - 4,000 what :?
<bcardarella> I don't know what blog post that is
<cored> bcardarella: hm, ok
<cored> maybe I mistake the name of your company
<cored> I think it had something with Yard in it, not Engine Yard nor yours though
<cored> tjadc: yeap, dollars, I think they have like 3 developers and all of them charge 4,000 weekly
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<tjadc> o_O
<tjadc> Shite :O
<tjadc> wat-a-lot-they-got
<tjadc> *get :P
<bcardarella> cored: I did write a post about the first 6 months of our consultancy and how we moved from billing hourly to weekly
<bcardarella> and that rate I quoted as $4k/week
<cored> bcardarella: I think, that's the one yes. but I think your blog was blue or green, I read it a long time ago
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<cored> tjadc: that guy explain how he did it :-P
<bcardarella> cored: yeah we now have a designer on staff so she's been updating our blog
<bcardarella> well, our "Everything" really
<bcardarella> I nee to write a follow up to that blog post. It's been a year since we started now.
<tjadc> Ha ha
<zenspider> RAWR... I _will_ make maglev my bitch
<zenspider> down to 8 skips
<tjadc> Well that is quite kiff
<tjadc> Wow, the post is quite extensive
<cored> bcardarella: I see, so it's seems the business is going well
<cored> yeah, more blog posts about how to handle business are always good :-)
<cored> tjadc: which one?
<tjadc> The one you posted
<cored> tjadc: oh, hehe yes he talks a lot about what he did, but is very insightful
<tjadc> :)
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<cored> I'm confuse regarding rack/cache I'm trying to do conditional request for octokit
<cored> so my lib doesn't hit Github's api on each request
<cored> I just went ahead and did this to add a new faraday middleware like this https://gist.github.com/4569317
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<cored> but I see that I get new requests each time
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<mistym> I realize I'm the only person who wants this, but I wish ruby-doc.org had more historical ruby versions.
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<cirenyc> Is there a better/cleaner/more performant way to form the commented out data structure than the code I have? https://gist.github.com/6f4f12044b5889a28e54
<cirenyc> What I have works, but want to learn about code that might be better.
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<zenspider> cirenyc: line 29?
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<cirenyc> zenspider: What about it? I want entries[:buildings] to be an array of hashes.
<zenspider> it is an array of hash
<zenspider> unless I'm missing something
<zenspider> you prolly want to ||= []
<zenspider> and then << hash
<cirenyc> I see, right. Actually entries[:buildings] should probably just = hash.
<cirenyc> I just need to be able to iterate over each "building", but could just the same do that with hashes.
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<zenspider> yeah. I'd store the plain hash then
<zenspider> that entire tap is useless ... cargo culting at best
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<cirenyc> zenspider: In favor of definition -> interation -> merge -> return hash?
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<zenspider> heh
<cirenyc> Is that just to do away with the &.default_proc? Less performant? Or?
<zenspider> just more straightforward
<zenspider> you're not doing anytihng with entries until the end anyways, so why even define it yet?
<zenspider> esp since entries isn't even entries until you merge
<zenspider> it is just buildings
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<cirenyc> makes sense. okay, thanks.
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<lianj> whats GC.stat[:heap_live_num]? the number of objects not that hold refs and are not affected by next GC.start?
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<lianj> nevermind..
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<reactormonk> lianj, having fun with the GC?
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