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<atmosx> I use YAML::ENGINE.yamler='syck' with yaml, instead of psych.
<atmosx> adjusts some issues
<zzak> atmosx: you should consider switching, syck hasnt been maintained for a very long time now
<atmosx> zzak: yeah but doesn't give utf-8 troubles that psych does. I need proper Greek UTF8 support.
<atmosx> zzak: thanks for th einfo though, I had no idea.
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<zzak> atmosx: should you have any problems with psych you should consider reporting them to https://github.com/tenderlove/psych/issues
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<atmosx> zzak: okay
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<zzak> atmosx: syck is also completely removed from ruby 2.0, and youll have to install the gem (which isnt maintained) in order to still use it
<atmosx> hm
<atmosx> k, I'll switch back asap
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<zzak> atmosx: do it, and dont be afraid to ask questions if you get stuck or run into a bug
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<Paradox> who wants to know what i get to code
<Paradox> its a fun project of fun
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<pythonsnake> Paradox: me
<pythonsnake> Paradox: me
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<jroid> Can anyone explain to me what defining a function with an = does? Ex. def resource_type=(resource_type)
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<mistym> It supplies a default value for the argument when it's not passed.
<mistym> E.g. def foo(arg='bar'); puts arg; end. foo() #=> 'bar'. foo('baz') #=> 'baz'
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<jroid> I do understand the foo example, the code i've come across looks slightly different, specifically the position of the = sign.
<jroid> I'm baffled
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<savagecroc> hmm what's a good way of getting rid of all the 0's after the first non 0 when working backwards in the array.. e.g. [1,0,0,1,0,0] = 1.0.0.1 [1,0,0,0,0] = 1 [0,1,0,2,0] = 0.1.0.2 [0.0.0.0.1] = 0.0.0.0.1
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<macmartine> imperatorL convention. optional
<macmartine> imperator: ^
<macmartine> as is other punctuation such as ! and ?
<jroid> imperator: thanks
<imperator> yw
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<socialcoder> hello
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<socialcoder> Classes in Ruby are first-class objects---each is an instance of class Class.
<socialcoder> trying to figure out what that means
<socialcoder> can anyone decode it for me please
<socialcoder> class Class? what is that
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<socialcoder> anyone?
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<socialcoder> :(
<ryanf> socialcoder: every object has a class
<ryanf> Class is a class
<ryanf> classes are objects of the type Class
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<ryanf> in the same way that strings are objects of the type String
<socialcoder> true, but at the very basic, what is a class?
<socialcoder> Is it some kind of a blueprint? like a table of content?
<macmartine> socialcoder: you can't have a class without it eventually being of type Class. Going up the hierarchy.
<socialcoder> also class with small letter c and Capital letter c is different?
<macmartine> Read about inheritance
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<macmartine> socialcoder: a child is of the human class, as is an adult
<socialcoder> ah I see
<socialcoder> that makes more sense
<macmartine> socialcoder: as is a grandmother and cousin, but they all may have slightly (or drastically) different characterstics
<macmartine> socialcoder: but they are all of the same class
<socialcoder> the human class
<macmartine> socialcoder: i suggest http://www.poodr.info/
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<socialcoder> going there now
<socialcoder> I was at ruby doic
<socialcoder> but it was very technical for a newbie like me
<macmartine> read both
<socialcoder> hmm
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<savagecroc> i'm getting setfacl: /srv: Invalid argument when running setfacl --modify user:blix_int:r-x /srv
<savagecroc> any ideas why?
<savagecroc> wrong chan
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<alec> do a lot of rails devs telecommute?
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<manveru> alec: try #rubyonrails :)
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<reactormonk> manveru, we need a bot with a lengthy enough forward to rubyonrails so we can justify using the bot
<manveru> bots usually don't survive for long in here
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<bright_day> so i have some understanding of ruby like how it works code blocks IO and kind of just general understanding and i want to build web application using sinatra also i'm reading book programming ruby 1.9 so what you think should i first read this book and get better understanding of ruby and after that learn sinatra and built this web application or just write this web application and i will understand ruby better on my way?
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<reactormonk> bright_day, write a prototype, add comments where you think your code looks ugly and see if you find a way to make it better.
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<apeiros_> hrmpf, how can I suppress C generated warnings? reassigning $stderr doesn't cut it
<apeiros_> (e.g. reassigning to a constant)
<apeiros_> oh… wait…
<apeiros_> stupid me… used the wrong method :D
<apeiros_> reassigning $stderr works
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<Mon_Ouie> Doesn't it also work to set $WARN to nil?
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<Mon_Ouie> Ah, apparently that's the default
<Mon_Ouie> Maybe I'm thinking of $VERBOSE then
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* apeiros_ works on PrettyYaml
<apeiros_> working with badly formatted locale files sucks the life out of me :)
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<apeiros_> anybody happen to know how to manually read a .gemspec file? (manually still allows the use of all Gem::* classes)
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<injekt> apeiros_: what?
<apeiros_> ah, Gem::Specification.load(path) seems to do it
<injekt> ah
<injekt> 'manually read' was a little ambiguous
<apeiros_> yeah, I know, that's why I added the stuff in ()
<apeiros_> but obviously still not clear enough :)
<injekt> :)
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<apeiros_> hm, the "|" string notation in yaml can't seem to have multiple trailing newlines…
<apeiros_> and the indented string notation can't have any trailing newlines at all…
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<Spaceghost|cloud> multiple trailing newlines?
<Spaceghost|cloud> The | has to be on each line of the block of text, no?
<apeiros_> with yaml? no
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<apeiros_> YAML.load "foo: |\n bar\n baz\n\n\n" # => {"foo"=>"bar\nbaz\n"}
<apeiros_> seems the only way to preserve trailing newlines is by quoting the string
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* apeiros_ wants Dir.glob_first to be part of core
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<imperator> what would that do?
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<apeiros_> the same as Dir.enum_for(:glob, pattern).first
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<apeiros_> i.e., abort on first match and return it
<heftig> not so useful if you can't control the sort
<apeiros_> glob is sorted
<apeiros_> hm, though it depends on the system
<apeiros_> ok, true, sort order would need to be platform independent
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<imperator> so, the latest rails security vulnerability was actually yaml?
<imperator> (speaking of yaml)
<apeiros_> I think parameter preprocessing in general
<apeiros_> but I haven't really read the report
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<manveru> Dir.glob(pattern){|f| break f }
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<apeiros_> manveru: needs additional handling for no result
<manveru> nil in both cases?
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<apeiros_> no, glob returns []
<apeiros_> not nil
<manveru> not with block
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<apeiros_> ah
<manveru> and it saves wrapping into an enumerator
<apeiros_> right
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<_Sketch_> Hello! How do I run and make ruby tests in the 'tests' directory of the ruby source?
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<Mon_Ouie> _Sketch_: make check ?
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<_Sketch_> Mon_Ouie: make: *** No rule to make target `check'. Stop.
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<Mon_Ouie> Hm, I took that from the README file of the github mirror (I don't have a copy here to test)
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<canton7> _Sketch_, read the makefile?
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<zzak> Array(Dir.glob(pattern){|f| break f}).flatten.first
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<Mon_Ouie> canton7: Yeah, autotools sources (and to a greater extent, their output) are known to be incredibly clean and readable :p
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<canton7> true. I would never call it a first resort
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<manveru> zzak: wtf
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<zzak> manveru: haha, idk
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<manveru> Array("hi").flatten.first
<manveru> very... useful :)
<zzak> :D
<zzak> Array() is awesome
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<manveru> i wish irc had /sarcasm
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<zzak> irssi has _empasis_ and *boldness* instead
<zzak> emph
<zzak> manveru: explain this one to me
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<manveru> what?
<zzak> Array(nil); vs Array({}); vs Array('')
<zzak> why is only
<zzak> '' initialized
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<manveru> because Array(arg) calls arg.to_ary or arg.to_a
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<zzak> undefined method `to_a' for "":String
<manveru> i guess the docs are lying then :)
<zzak> damn you
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<manveru> >> [nil, {}, '', 1].map{|o| [Array(o), (o.to_ary rescue (o.to_a rescue [o]))] }
<manveru> => [[[], []], [[], []], [[""], [""]], [[1], [1]]]
<manveru> kinda like that
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<zzak> ok yah, i was just reading rb_Array()
<yfeldblum> manveru, why does that look complex?
<zzak> first check is to_ary
<zzak> if nil, then check to_a
<zzak> if nil then rb_ary_new3(1, value)
<manveru> yfeldblum: because it uses Rubinius::Type.check_convert_type, and i have no idea what that is
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<zzak> rb_ary_new3: Creates an n-element array from the arguments.
<manveru> and github code search sucks...
<zzak> manveru: so does rb_Array()
<zzak> rb_check_array_type == rb_check_convert_type(ary, T_ARRAY, "Array", "to_ary");
<manveru> heh
<_Sketch_> Mon_Ouie canton7: Hmm. Not finding anything on google either.
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<manveru> but it never changes the type of the original
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<manveru> anyway, i'm not sure why it doesn't just do this: http://pastie.org/private/7xsp8secmleiufouzjjqq
<canton7> manveru, what directory are you running 'make check' from?
<zzak> it does, sorta
<manveru> canton7: no idea
<canton7> manveru, well that's kind of important
<zzak> manveru: i think rbx uses check_convert_type because mri does
<manveru> canton7: for whom?
<canton7> oops, wrong user. sorry
<manveru> zzak: yeah
<canton7> _Sketch_, what directory are you runing 'make check' from?
<manveru> zzak: i just think it could be more straightforward :)
<zzak> and even if you dont commit, you should have a clone of mri, and rbx.. git grep > google
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<zzak> manveru: from an rbx perspective yes, but mri no
<manveru> i do
<manveru> but i need to write me some vim plugin that returns github urls to positions in the source i'm looking at
<zzak> so the docs aren't wrong
<manveru> anyway, i'm sure there are some braindead edge-cases that the rbx approach handles and mine doesn't
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<zzak> and TIL about the implementation of Array()
<zzak> yeh, and for SPEED
<manveru> i don't think Array is used widely...
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<manveru> hasn't ever been useful to me
<yfeldblum> manveru, because it also checks the types ...
<manveru> yfeldblum: yeah, but to_a returns self anyway, so why bother doing more work?
<manveru> Array#to_a, that is
<manveru> Array#to_ary even
<zzak> its mostly for convenience
<manveru> if it is called, i bet rbx would inline it
<yfeldblum> manveru, what if the receiver isn't an Array?
<manveru> then it should try to_ary, then to_a, and otherwise [obj]
<yfeldblum> manveru, what if to_ary returns an object that isn't an Array?
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<manveru> then i guess it blows up :P
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<yfeldblum> manveru, yeah, "it blows up" isn't likely to be one of rubinius' operating principles; thus the complexity
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<manveru> :)
<manveru> the biggest problem is probably that rbx doesn't call a method to check the type
<manveru> so it has to be the builtin Array
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<_Sketch_> canton7: root directory, and test/.
<_Sketch_> canton7: also tried 'make test-all' in both. Nope.
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