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<Wardrop_> Hey does anyone know if Ruby (core or stdlib) provides an easy way join two relative URL paths?
<Wardrop_> File#join would be perfect, but File#join will use backslashes on Windows. I need something that's always join with exactly one forward flash.
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<Wardrop_> E.g. join('/article', '/hello) #=> /article/hello
<ryanf> so you don't want to use Array#join because you want it to insert slashes if necessary?
<Wardrop_> ryanf: Correct. I can obviously work-around that by post-processing it with gsub, etc, but I'm wondering if Ruby already provides something that does this.
<Wardrop_> URI#join doesn't work either, as it doesn't like getting two "relative" URL's.
<drbrain> URI#+
<drbrain> but, you need to start with an absolute URI
<drbrain> there's no safe way to join relative URIs
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<drbrain> uri = URI 'http://example'; uri + '/bar'
<Wardrop_> drbrain: Yeah, that's the problem. I just wanted to confirm that Ruby doesn't already solve this problem, before rolling my own.
<drbrain> Wardrop_: why don't you have an absolute URI to start with?
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<Wardrop_> I'm writing a helper for a framework I'm working on. The helper returns an absolute path.
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<Wardrop_> I want to avoid adding the protocol, domain/ip, and port portion of the URL, as that can have side effects, such as with HTTPS
<drbrain> Wardrop_: a) use Pathname, b) use http://example as your absolute then extract request_uri at the end
<Wardrop_> I'm just going to do: [].join('/').gsub(%r{/+}, '/')
<drbrain> or file:// as your absolute
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<Wardrop_> drbrain: I don't see any advantage doing that over: join('/').gsub(%r{/+}, '/')
<Wardrop_> Anyway, thanks for the help guys
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<drbrain> Wardrop_: so long as you can guarantee no '..' is generated, join + gsub is fine
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<ykk> can you use a proc inside of a hash?
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<badeball> ykk: a proc is a value which can be used as a key or as a value in a hash
<ykk> oh perfect
<ykk> great news thanks =D
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<badeball> ruby is nifty that way. hash can map any object. not like python (ugh..), which has a lot of constraints.
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<Paradox> badeball, python, which is object oriented, except for the significant portion where it isnt
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<yorickpeterse> Morning
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<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: hai
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<whitequark> moo
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: /nick cowquark already
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: `apt-get whitequark`
<yorickpeterse> -bash: apt-get: command not found
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<chekcmate> :D
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<andrewvos> One hour into the day and subversion has made me so angry that I want to quit.
<andrewvos> THIS IS SO USEFUL
<andrewvos> YES OF COURSE I WANT TO COMMIT ALL THESE FILES I JUST TOLD YOU TO IGNORE
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<yorickpeterse> subversion?
<yorickpeterse> Are you suicidal?
<yorickpeterse> (there's help for that)
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<yorickpeterse> (for both suicidal thoughts and using SVN)
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<badeball> second that. I don't see any reason for sticking with SVN. large company, many people to learn using another VCS, etc. is just stupid. make the shift right now.
<yorickpeterse> badeball: chances are he's forced to use it because "fuck you, company policy|
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<badeball> yeah, probably, but you have to nip stuff like that in the bud.
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<darix> andrewvos: the ignore is the same as in git ... it just removes them from the status output. you can version files matched by the ignore in both SCMs
<yorickpeterse> darix: in Git that requires -f to be set, even for `git add .`
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<yorickpeterse> aargh:
<andrewvos> An svn sympathiser.
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<darix> andrewvos: i can use both without getting into rage.
<yorickpeterse> andrewvos: comedy option: git-svn
<darix> to make it less comical ... talk to the svn server admin. we already had a guy kinda DOSsing the svn server with git-svn
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<charliesome> yorickpeterse: wtf at that code
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<injekt> what the fudge
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<yorickpeterse> charliesome: intern code
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<charliesome> yorickpeterse: oh boy i could show you my intern code
<charliesome> as in: when i was an intern
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<yorickpeterse> dooo eeeet
<yorickpeterse> also you're still a babbie so it probably hasn't changed :>
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<charliesome> yorickpeterse: so i was coming from .net at the time
<charliesome> and i noticed ruby had 'throw'
<charliesome> so i thought "ah yes that's what i want"
<yorickpeterse> ooooooh boy
<yorickpeterse> here we go
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<yorickpeterse> charliesome: PASTE THE CODE ALREADY
<yorickpeterse> I'm waiting in suspense
<charliesome> but it's embarrassing
<charliesome> yorickpeterse: http://eval.in/11589
<yorickpeterse> who gives a shit, my code of when I first started out was total garbage too
<yorickpeterse> Hell, it was bloody Java
<yorickpeterse> and PHP
<charliesome> my first language was perl
<yorickpeterse> charliesome: meh, this is not that bad
<yorickpeterse> Sure you're abusing `throw` like Chris Brown but that's about
<charliesome> lolol
<charliesome> do you like my 'keyword arguments'
<charliesome> see line 54 and 61
<yorickpeterse> meh, not that bad
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<yorickpeterse> wait, lets see if I can find my first ever Python code
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<yorickpeterse> well, first ever of what's still out there
<charliesome> you had my at python code
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<yorickpeterse> damn it, I know this cunt is somewhere on pastebin
<yorickpeterse> ha! found it
<yorickpeterse> http://pastebin.com/8aZV0aUz this was written some time in 2008/2009
<yorickpeterse> Come to think of it, it's not the first Python code I wrote
<yorickpeterse> that was some chat bot for deviantard
<yorickpeterse> My first ever Java code is probably long lost
<yorickpeterse> ha well, I did find a forum thread about it
<yorickpeterse> shit, that's only from Jan 2009
<yorickpeterse> haha, and of course the typical "bump" right after posting it
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<soahccc> Can I somehow define a method explicitly to public? I know that I can do a "public\ndef meth" but this doesn't seem to work when including the module somewhere else :(
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<gnufied> soahccc: what you mean?
<gnufied> methods are by default always public
<soahccc> gnufied: It's a bit rails related so I don't know if this is the problem: https://gist.github.com/2called-chaos/15c3ce1b069cd8fa6e27
<gnufied> perhaps worth giving a code exampel
<judofyr> soahccc: public :method_name
<soahccc> judofyr: hmm do I have to send it to the destination then?
<judofyr> soahccc: yeah, it's a method on Module
<gnufied> this must be rails
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<judofyr> yeah, I don't think defining it explicitly will help
<judofyr> I think Rails is doing something magic
<gnufied> use send()
<gnufied> :(
<gnufied> soahccc: how does dapper gem implements h() method?
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<gnufied> I think they use send too, for invoking view helpers from presneters
<darix> soahccc: just curious ...why would you do it in first place?
<gnufied> presenters*
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<gnufied> darix: he is using presenter pattern, for object oriented helpers
<gnufied> but he wants access to predefined or plugin defined helpers
<gnufied> from presenter
<gnufied> something like that I think
<gnufied> :-)
<darix> couldnt he just include those helpers in his presenters?
<soahccc> darix: Sure I could but this isn't the only helper I extracted into our gem :)
<darix> soahccc: so?
<gnufied> darix: well, depends on what helper does
<gnufied> for example, if helper accesses content_tag or something like that, including it in presenter class won't work
<soahccc> darix: They shouldn't go in the presenter alone but the whole view thing so ActionView::Base is the correct target I suppose
<gnufied> he must access helper through an instance of view object
<soahccc> gnufied: I do pass the (not a) view_context to the presenter
<soahccc> which is then in @tpl like formbuilder
<gnufied> cool. I haven't used any of presneter thingies, I am doing arm chair thinking
<gnufied> soahccc: can you not use send() ?
<soahccc> gnufied: Yeah that works: ActionView::Base.send(:public, :icon)
<soahccc> I still don't get why I can call it in a view directly (shouldn't it be private there too?)
<gnufied> no no
<gnufied> @tpl.send(:icon, :search,..)
<gnufied> ^ why not use that?
<soahccc> Yeah well I could do that but as I use those icons a LOT especially in the presenters that would be crap
<soahccc> I still could make a wrapper method in my base presenter but I acutally don't want that method to be private
<gnufied> why would you have to call send() all the time?
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<gnufied> in your tpl class you can define a wrapper method that does this send thing
<gnufied> sorry, I mean in your presenter class
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<soahccc> Yeah as I said, I could do that as a workaround but I don't understand why it is even private (there is no reason for the method to be private).
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<gnufied> as for your question, rails may be marking included methods via helpers private after including them. or they may even be including helpers in a anonymous module and then delegating it
<gnufied> rails does second thing quite a bit
<gnufied> nothing is as straightforward as it seems
<gnufied> so, worth reading ActionView code, if you want to get to the bottom of it
<soahccc> gnufied: yeah, I struggled a lot and ended up with a "dirtier" solution but everbody seems to use it (e.g. send include to Enumerable doesn't work, you have to class eval)
<gnufied> sorry, I am not aware of enumerable thingy
<gnufied> as in, why you have to use class_eval
<soahccc> Yeah I wasn't to but tried to extend it's functionallity. Unfortunately this doesn't affect types already included enumerable so you directly have to overwrite it via class_eval or module Enumerable ; def ...
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<andrewvos> wat is $, in 1.8.7? wat is $, in 1.9.3?
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<andrewvos> What is the difference I mean.
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<andrewvos> Wait, I mean if I do [1,2].join in ruby 1.8.7 and ruby 1.9.3 will there be a difference?
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<andrewvos> Don't want to have to compile 1.8.7 someone halp
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<zzak> they're the same
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<zzak> need koichi-sans bot in here
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<whitequark> mmm
<whitequark> "playable track count" or "playable tracks count"?
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<zzak> ignore playable
<zzak> "track count" or "tracks count"
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<whitequark> zzak: hm. "track count", I guess?
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<zzak> track as in music?
<whitequark> yep
<zzak> try changing the noun
<zzak> i kinda like plural form
<zzak> "car count" vs "cars count"
<zzak> i think either could work
<zzak> noun/subject
<whitequark> mkay
<whitequark> thanks!
<whitequark> naming database columns is hard ><
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<zzak> why are you putting the count in a field?
<whitequark> zzak: counter cache
<whitequark> otherwise it would be a pretty evil N+1 query
<zzak> on which column
<zzak> table rather
<whitequark> track belongs_to release; class Track; scope :playable, where(condition); end
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<whitequark> and I need to select releases with playable tracks and get their count
<zzak> use includes?
<whitequark> zzak: no, I don't think it would work
<whitequark> in order to select only releases with playable tracks I need to make a subquery
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<whitequark> EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM tracks WHERE condition)
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<zzak> What's wrong with Release.tracks.playable.count ?
<zzak> or size on the result?
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<whitequark> zzak: um
<whitequark> I need to select all releases which have playable track *and* count of those tracks for the releases
<whitequark> and preferably in a way which is O(1)
<whitequark> i.e. I'm not going to send a query per release.
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<zzak> isn't that ARel's job?
<whitequark> zzak: this is not possible in SQL without an auxiliary counter cache.
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<whitequark> or a subquery, which immediately puts you out of O(1) scope
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<zzak> oh
<zzak> theres actually a counter_cache thing in rails?
<whitequark> yea
<zzak> TIL
<whitequark> but it's not good enough for me, as I need also a condition
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<whitequark> aiui
<zzak> disregard my previous advice, im not sure what you're supposed to name the counter field in regard to rails. i was thinking you were just asking for english advice haha
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<whitequark> zzak: exactly for english advice
<whitequark> as I've said, I'm rolling my own system
<whitequark> rails is not clever enough to update counter cache for a collection with a condition
<zzak> you would have to use a callback
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* whitequark sighs
<zzak> ;D
<whitequark> thank you, I'm being paid to write rails stuff for more than two years.
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<zzak> not sure if actually helped, or just being sarcastic
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<whitequark> zzak: sarcastic
<whitequark> but your english advice definitely helped!
<whitequark> I've been bikeshedding on that for 15 minutes or so
<zzak> cool, np!
<zzak> thanks for teaching me about counter_cache
<whitequark> there's also url_for with namespaces, like link_to [:edit, :admin, @site, @post]
<whitequark> good for writing generic controllers/views
<zzak> i knew about this one
<whitequark> oh, I only recently learned about it
<zzak> one sec
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<zzak> see also polymorphic_path
<whitequark> neat
<whitequark> yeah, knew about polymorphic_path :)
<whitequark> zzak: any chance you'd know why release.tracks = tracks (tracks is a persisted collection of Track); release.save would succeed (save returns true), but the foreign keys in tracks are not updated?
<whitequark> I've even tried to add autosave on has_many :tracks in release
<whitequark> whereas .track_ids = tracks.map(&:id) works perfectly
<zzak> maybe invalid track?
<zzak> its not bubbling up to release object, are they nested attributes?
<whitequark> that's not even a form
<whitequark> actually the form works perfectly, it's the spec which fails :D
<zzak> check the params
<whitequark> params?
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<zzak> you said the form works, check the params it's using
<zzak> and compare with your spec
<whitequark> zzak: the form obviously constructs the objects in a different fashion
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<whitequark> actually I've no idea why the spec is written like that. legacy code.
<whitequark> interesting.
<whitequark> tracks.map &:save does the job
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<methods> can i force gem to install binaries to the proper system directories ? I'm trying to get it to refresh everything
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<andrewvos> zzak: Thanks!
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<yorickpeterse> not really Ruby related but oh jesus, here we go https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec
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<methods> seems to be for me that /usr/local/bin/puppet isn't getting installed
<methods> or i mean any puppet in normal bin folders
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<methods> that's basically what wayland is supposed to be which i believe ubuntu was supporting
<methods> oh they talk about wayland at the bottom.. keeps reading..
<yorickpeterse> Basically Canonical is yet again reinventing the wheel
<yorickpeterse> Yet so far nothing good has come out of that
<methods> well i mean their ubuntu for mobile is cool and it was their goal but .. their execution was terrible.. they should have supported something like cinnamon or classic gnome all way through
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<moxie_> When a class is defined within another class… does the parent classes name just act as a module for the child?
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<yorickpeterse> moxie_: No, it acts as a namespace
<yorickpeterse> A module is not the same as a namespace, but it can be used as one
<moxie_> yorickpeterse: okay, that's what I meant
<yorickpeterse> same goes for classes
<zzak> why does a phone need an gui at all? i have a phone, it makes calls, end of story
<moxie_> so I could have a Membership class, and then define classes like Membership::Tier
<yorickpeterse> moxie_: yes
<moxie_> yorickpeterse: cool ty.
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<yorickpeterse> semantics question:
<yorickpeterse> When looking at the code `rescue Foo, Bar => e`, what would one call the "Foo, Bar" bit and the "=> e" bit? Just "constants" and "variables" is too generic
<yorickpeterse> Something like "rescue_constants" and "rescue_variables" but a bit less meh-ish
<zzak> exception classes on the left
<drbrain> yorickpeterse: in ri ruby:exceptions I have roughly "exception assignment" for the "=> e" part
<drbrain> and roughly "exceptions classes" for the "Foo, Bar" part
<yorickpeterse> It needs to translate to a
<yorickpeterse> fuck
<yorickpeterse> It needs to translate to some sort of identifier
<yorickpeterse> Because it will be used for instruction names in this case
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<yorickpeterse> drbrain: hm, I'm not sure if I like the use of "exceptions" though. It's very pedantic but I believe Ruby doesn't call them that either
<zzak> drbrain: what is "e" actually, an instance of ExceptionClass ?
<yorickpeterse> at least the classes have "Error" in them instead of Exception
<drbrain> zzak: yes
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<zzak> drbrain: where is it assigned, #raise? or rescue()
<drbrain> yorickpeterse: you mean, internally?
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<drbrain> zzak: the VM does it
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<zzak> drbrain++
<drbrain> Kernel#raise sets $!, when the rescue body is started it does e = $! (or whichever
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<yorickpeterse> drbrain: that too, but also in general
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<drbrain> yorickpeterse: since the root exception/error is Exception, I go with that, even though there are RuntimeError and StandardError and so-forth
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<yorickpeterse> hmm
<drbrain> all the internal stuff seems to just use "e"
<drbrain> rb_eStandardError, eclass
<drbrain> there's also th->errinfo and TAG_EXEC()
<yorickpeterse> that's probably because it's a lazy way of writing "error"
<drbrain> could be either
<drbrain> rb_make_exception
<yorickpeterse> exception_classes and exception_variables it is then
<drbrain> it seems very much split on if they're "errors" or "exceptions"
<drbrain> I would go with exception since that's the general computing term for this feature
<yorickpeterse> yeah
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<yfeldblum> yorickpeterse, there's normally no need to rescue Exception instances, but only StandardError instances (sometimes LoadError if you're handling `require` failures)
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<yorickpeterse> I know of the structure :)
<yorickpeterse> basically I'm translating Ruby code to VM instructions and needed a name to group these two data collections
<yfeldblum> yorickpeterse, ah sorry i thought you were asking something else
<yorickpeterse> no worries
<zzak> i like instances over variables
<zzak> or objects
<yfeldblum> yorickpeterse, "exception type constraints" and "exception argument"
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<yfeldblum> yorickpeterse, or "exception instance"
<yorickpeterse> zzak: hmm, good point
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