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<andrewvos> zenspider: I don't understand how it would benefit them directly.
<andrewvos> It certainly benefits all of us.
<zenspider> andrewvos: well... they use (some of) my software... but it is also community building
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<hnanon> zenspider: employee_hours[ tds[0].text ] = { }
<hnanon> tds[0].text is what's giving me "Enployee: Gates, Bill"
<andrewvos> I think I'm going to pivot my current position to "I write open source"
<hnanon> "Employee :Gates, BIll"
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<hnanon> sorry... "Employee :Bill, Gates"
<zenspider> hnanon: key = tds[0].text; key = ... manipulate key ...; employee_hours[key] = ...
<zenspider> ie, refactor by extraction to a variable, manipulate as you see fit
<hnanon> I see...
<hnanon> Let me try that.
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<rking> andrewvos: Not exactly. A few times I've wanted fatpacking, but mostly only to mollify people who are afraid of adding gems.
<rking> I just add gems. ☺
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<hnanon> zenspider: I did this and I'm not getting a positive result:
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<whitequark> rking: fatpacking?
<hnanon> I think I may have forgotten to join with the space too...
<rking> whitequark: "Vendoring" is the more common term among Rubyists, but the thing I wanted to do was wrap it within a namespace.
<rking> So for example Pry could depend on WizWidget v0.1.2, but it would come in as Pry::WizWidget, and other apps wouldn't get any interference.
<rking> That it would also not download as a separate gem is a perceived benefit by some.
<hnanon> Still not returning the hash.
<rking> hnanon: Post sample data
<zenspider> hnanon: look at line 5
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<hnanon> label, data = 'key'.split(':')
<hnanon> I don't see a problem there...
<hnanon> No quotes?
<hnanon> around key
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<zzak> drbrain: having troubles with rbx?
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<drbrain> zzak: hrm?
<zzak> on rdoc
<zzak> i will investigate, wasnt sure if you knew about them already
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<zenspider> hnanon: a string versus a variable? kinda important distinction
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<drbrain> zzak: there's probably bugs in rubinius
<hnanon> Yes, of course. Sorry, I'm so new to programming. I keep forgetting to not wrap variables in quotes.
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<zenspider> no worries
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<whitequark> hey zenspider
<whitequark> any plans for ruby 2.0 features in ruby_parser?
<whitequark> now that it's released.
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<hnanon> It turns out there is some added, unnecessary text at the end of my string...
<hnanon> Employee :Gates, Bill (2 records)
<hnanon> " (2 records)" needs to be stripped first.
<hnanon> I suppose I can split and join again, but is there another way to remove that?
<whitequark> is "monkey-patching" written with a dash? space? joined?
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<hnanon> regexp to remove parentheses and everything in between?
<zzak> drbrain: probably, ri failed on 18mode and 19mode
<zzak> different warnings tho
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<zzak> drbrain: just sent you a patch for RDoc::Options#output_decoration
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<hnanon> zenspider: you there?
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<hnanon> Anyone up?
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<judofyr> come on Ruby! segfault!
* judofyr is trying to reproduce a segfault
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<gnufied> you need to put more stress on 't' to make the the spell work
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<judofyr> I did it :D
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<yorickpeterse> morning
<ddfreyne> wasabi
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<andrewvos> MORNINGGG
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: 291 tests, 1694 assertions, 11 failures, 3 errors
<whitequark> hell, ruby's grammar is incredibly overloaded
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<whitequark> count of distinct meanings for symbols: ( 2, { 3, [ 2, / 2, [+-] 2, % 2, << 3, ? 2
<whitequark> and that's just ambiguous (i.e. they depend on preceding context)
<whitequark> : 2 (at least)
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<yorickpeterse> heh
<whitequark> or : 3, there's ::A, :a and 1?2:3
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<whitequark> aaargh
<whitequark> also the whole a==b a=~b a=>b a===b :a===>b stuff
<whitequark> >> {A:1}
<eval-in> whitequark => {:A=>1} (http://eval.in/13317)
<whitequark> this, too.
<whitequark> >> :A=
<eval-in> whitequark => :A= (http://eval.in/13318)
<andrewvos> >> :A=
<eval-in> andrewvos => :A= (http://eval.in/13324)
<andrewvos> Why does it wrap code in a p begin; end;
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<whitequark> >> eval(":A=")
<eval-in> whitequark => :A= (http://eval.in/13325)
<whitequark> huh?
<whitequark> oh right
<whitequark> andrewvos: I asked charliesome to fix the fact that it didn't print stuff without explicit p
<whitequark> he fixed it
<judofyr> charliesome: you here?
<charliesome> judofyr hi
<whitequark> >test_yylex_open_square_bracket_meth
<charliesome> whitequark: got the "meth" part right!
<judofyr> charliesome: I finally got the segfault in gdb :D
<charliesome> judofyr: noice
<whitequark> charliesome: YES
<charliesome> gc related?
<judofyr> charliesome: http://pastie.org/7064676
<judofyr> not sure what this is: rb_gc_mark_unlinked_live_method_entries
<judofyr> but it seems likely
<charliesome> as in
<judofyr> maybe a free-twice bug?
<charliesome> gc related in that it's using a pointer that's been freed previously
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<judofyr> charliesome: it probably frees something when GCing after the remove_method, and then it tries to free the same thing when freeing the InstanceMethod
<judofyr> GCing the method*
<charliesome> yeah praps
<judofyr> anyway, not sure what I can do now…
<charliesome> judofyr: at least this means you can handball the issue off to ruby-core and not worry about it :p
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<whitequark> valgrind?
<wizonesolutions> I'm getting Unresolved specs during Gem::Specification.reset every time I do anything with `gem` — for "rake >= 0.8.7"
<wizonesolutions> I'm not building my own gem or anything, just using it as a user. I do use rvm and have Rubygems 2.0.0.
<wizonesolutions> is there any way to figure out what is leading up to that error being thrown? like make it output more debugging info
<judofyr> charliesome: is there a way to get nobu to fix it? :D
<judofyr> charliesome: but more seriously: is there something I should do to tell them "this is now ready to be looked at"?
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<charliesome> judofyr: maybe poke someone in #ruby-core
<charliesome> also
<charliesome> i figured out how to execute a string of code in a scope while also passing it a block!
<judofyr> charliesome: oooo. how?
<judofyr> and how's the compat?
<charliesome> >> def f(ctx, code) ctx.instance_eval code end; f([], "self << yield") { 123 }
<eval-in> charliesome => [123] (http://eval.in/13326)
<charliesome> you can probably wire it up in such a way that you avoid re-evaling code
<judofyr> charliesome: ah that's a string though. how does the compile-to-method work?
<charliesome> well ideally you'd compile it to a procv
<wizonesolutions> whitequark: eh?
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<charliesome> judofyr: got a link to your issue?
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<charliesome> judofyr: cheerz
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<charliesome> judofyr: this bug is a fucker
<charliesome> i'm trying to reduce the repro case down
<judofyr> charliesome: oh?
<charliesome> the most innocuous stuff stops the segv
<judofyr> charliesome: yeah, I inlined the #source and it went away :S
<charliesome> i renamed the method name to just __tilt and removed the interpolation
<charliesome> goes away
<charliesome> definitely a case of something breaking the gc in the right place at the right time i think
<judofyr> yeah
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<charliesome> i inlined source and it still segvs
<charliesome> i just made the compile_template_method method a frame deeper :p
<judofyr> haha
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: you said something about parse.y?
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: can you make any sense from EXPR_DOT/EXPR_FNAME distinction
<whitequark> and EXPR_ARG/CMDARG/MID and EXPR_END/ENDFN/ENDARG?
<yorickpeterse> ehhh...wat
<whitequark> exactly
<judofyr> care with parse.y
<judofyr> err
<judofyr> be careful* with parse.y
<yorickpeterse> One thing I don't fully understand yet: why does Ruby treat `foo 10` and `foo(10)` as two different things in the AST?
<judofyr> it's a dangerous place
<whitequark> oh EXPR_END/EXPR_ENDFN exist to accomodate the stabby lambda syntax
<yorickpeterse> >> require 'ripper'; Ripper.sexp('foo 10')
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => [:program, [[:command, [:@ident, "foo", [1, 0]], [:args_add_block, [[:@int, "10", [1, 4]]], false]]]] (http://eval.in/13327)
<yorickpeterse> >> require 'ripper'; Ripper.sexp('foo(10)')
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => [:program, [[:method_add_arg, [:fcall, [:@ident, "foo", [1, 0]]], [:arg_paren, [:args_add_block, [[:@int, "10", [1, 4]]], false]]]]] (http://eval.in/13328)
<yorickpeterse> heh
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<whitequark> because "def a b" requires [\n;] to begin function code
<whitequark> but "-> b" requires "{"
<yorickpeterse> That's for definitions, not calls
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: I was talking about ENDFN
<yorickpeterse> ah
<whitequark> not your quirk
<whitequark> that's simple
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<whitequark> because just "foo" is treated differently than "foo a" and "foo()" semantically
<whitequark> >> foo
<eval-in> whitequark => /tmp/execpad-f2db82c13995/source-f2db82c13995:2:in `<main>': undefined local variable or method `foo' for main:Object (NameError) (http://eval.in/13329)
<whitequark> >> foo()
<eval-in> whitequark => /tmp/execpad-f6d8f590b2ae/source-f6d8f590b2ae:2:in `<main>': undefined method `foo' for main:Object (NoMethodError) (http://eval.in/13330)
<whitequark> >> foo a
<eval-in> whitequark => /tmp/execpad-3eceb03a569d/source-3eceb03a569d:2:in `<main>': undefined local variable or method `a' for main:Object (NameError) (http://eval.in/13331)
<whitequark> >> foo 1
<eval-in> whitequark => /tmp/execpad-1bdcfc4f30e6/source-1bdcfc4f30e6:2:in `<main>': undefined method `foo' for main:Object (NoMethodError) (http://eval.in/13332)
<yorickpeterse> Yes, but why?
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: local variable or method / method
<yorickpeterse> what's the benefit of treating `foo 10` other than `foo(10)`
<whitequark> error. fucking. messages.
<yorickpeterse> in both cases it's pretty darn clear it's a method
<whitequark> ah
<judofyr> >> a = 1; foo a
<eval-in> judofyr => /tmp/execpad-1ac78bf8cbe5/source-1ac78bf8cbe5:2:in `<main>': undefined method `foo' for main:Object (NoMethodError) (http://eval.in/13333)
<whitequark> that's what you're asking
<yorickpeterse> for just `foo` I can understand
<whitequark> that's an artifact of how LR parsing works
<whitequark> I guess.
<yorickpeterse> hm
<whitequark> ruby_parser has one AST node for both
<yorickpeterse> took me quite some work to slap that together into a single node
<charliesome> judofyr: so i think the assignment in the method has something to do with it
<charliesome> the assignment in the evaled method
<judofyr> charliesome: what assignment?
<charliesome> test = whatever
<judofyr> (I updated it)
<charliesome> hmmmm
<charliesome> i can't repro it with a constant method name
<charliesome> only a changing method name
<charliesome> m = "__tilt_#{rand(1..100000)}"
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<whitequark> whitequark@raidho:~/ruby_parser (ragel){*}$ rake lib/ruby_lexer.rb && ruby -Ilib -rruby_parser -e 'p Ruby19Parser.new.parse("1 + 2")'
<judofyr> so it requires the method table to grow?
<whitequark> s(:call, s(:lit, 1), :+, s(:lit, 2))
<whitequark> wheeee
<charliesome> judofyr: dunno lol!
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<judofyr> charliesome: growing the method table leads to more GC though
<charliesome> GC.stress = true makes it not segv
<judofyr> same here
<charliesome> judofyr: this segvs on my machine: http://eval.in/13335
<charliesome> on trunk
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: oh I think I understand why is there a `cond` stack_state
<judofyr> charliesome: this does too here: http://eval.in/13336
<judofyr> charliesome: on trunk as well
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: because you might have `while cond do..end`, where `cond` contains `while do..end` as well
<whitequark> zomgwtf
<charliesome> judofyr: not on my machine
<charliesome> whitequark: lol ruby
<judofyr> charliesome: I've actually been using this version to test: http://eval.in/13337
<charliesome> 13337!
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: wat
<judofyr> sometimes it takes some runs
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: ruby needs to distinguish the `do` in `while cond do..end` from any other `do`
<charliesome> judofyr ah yeah it segvs on the second try
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: hmm
<whitequark> of which there are FOUD
<whitequark> *FOUR
<whitequark> kDO, kDO_BLOCK, kDO_LAMBDA and kDO_COND
<judofyr> charliesome: good work on reducing it even more!
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<charliesome> cheerz
<whitequark> kDO_FUCK_YOURSELF
<yorickpeterse> well, at least you're not debugging eval'd Javascript that takes 45 seconds to load a widget
<yorickpeterse> and does around 25 XHR requests that are not logged as a result of eval() (it seems)
<yorickpeterse> (if not more)
<charliesome> judofyr: confirmed, constant method name also segvs
<charliesome> i think your theory about more objects is correct
<judofyr> charliesome: it doesn't even need a method body here
<judofyr> charliesome: this fails too: http://eval.in/13338
<judofyr> it just takes a few run
<judofyr> and by "a few" I mean 10
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<charliesome> judofyr: i had luck making the method name constant
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<yorickpeterse> ugh, this code really makes me want to sit in a corner and mumble sad things
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<yorickpeterse> tl;dr: this person apparently didn't know of apply/call and instead used eval() in combination with setTimeout
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<judofyr> charliesome: doing "Hello world"*1000 seems to help for the segv
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<judofyr> charliesome: this *always* segv here: http://eval.in/13339
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<charliesome> nice
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<judofyr> GC is hard
<judofyr> let's use C
<charliesome> gc is ridiculous
<charliesome> it is fucking hard
<charliesome> judofyr http://eval.in/13340
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<charliesome> in fact, you don't even need the eval http://eval.in/13341 cc judofyr
<judofyr> charliesome: not even class_eval: http://eval.in/13342
<charliesome> judofyr: not even unbound method: http://eval.in/13343
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<judofyr> charliesome: not even remove_method: http://eval.in/13344
<charliesome> LOL
<charliesome> wow
<charliesome> judofyr: not even ruby: http://eval.in/13346
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<charliesome> judofyr: ok this is handy i'll try and dive in here
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<charliesome> judofyr: interestingly the method def has to be in the loop
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<judofyr> charliesome: that isn't so weird?
<charliesome> i think theres a gc happening between method(:x) and call maybe
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<charliesome> also this doesn't segfault jruby, file a bug
<charliesome> mri is the spec after all
<judofyr> :D
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<judofyr> charliesome: it should be able to bisect it now thouhg
<charliesome> bisecting ruby is a pain in the ass
<charliesome> because of the recompile shit
<charliesome> its a long feedback loop
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<judofyr> just use git bisect run and forget about it?
<whitequark> ^ that
<whitequark> also ccache
<judofyr> ccache?
<whitequark> and compile it on tmpfs with clang already
<whitequark> reduces compile time 10-20x
<whitequark> judofyr: um
<whitequark> it preprocesses the file, sha1's it and compiles
<judofyr> ah
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: WTF
<whitequark> the `tern' stackstate is never read in ruby_parser
<whitequark> but is dutifully managed
<whitequark> literally. never. read.
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<charliesome> whitequark: whats the advantage of ccache
<injekt> moin
<whitequark> charliesome: no need to recompile unchanged (after -E) files
<charliesome> are there many situations where header files or whatever would not change but their mtime would?
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<whitequark> charliesome: `git checkout` ?
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<charliesome> fair point lol
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: heh
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<charliesome> judofyr http://eval.in/segfaults
<judofyr> charliesome: nice
<yorickpeterse> PLEASE SIGN IN WITH GITHUB
<yorickpeterse> I JUST DID
<charliesome> yorickpeterse: travis?
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<yorickpeterse> oh wait, it's whitequark's private setup
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: " Failed — The Travis build failed (Details)"
<yorickpeterse> LIAR
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: hah
<whitequark> hm
<whitequark> >> def method_missing(*a);p a; end; a?b:c
<eval-in> whitequark => [:c] ... (http://eval.in/13353)
<whitequark> >> def method_missing(*a);p a; end; a? b:c
<eval-in> whitequark => [:c] ... (http://eval.in/13354)
<whitequark> >> def method_missing(*a);p a; end; a? b: c
<eval-in> whitequark => [:c] ... (http://eval.in/13355)
<whitequark> >> def method_missing(*a);p a; end; a? b : c
<eval-in> whitequark => /tmp/execpad-cba0b541e9d7/source-cba0b541e9d7:2: syntax error, unexpected ':', expecting keyword_end ... (http://eval.in/13356)
<whitequark> >> def method_missing(*a);p a; end; a ? b : c
<eval-in> whitequark => [:a] ... (http://eval.in/13357)
<whitequark> this is so incredibly wrong
<whitequark> >> def method_missing(*a);p a; end; a ?b:c
<eval-in> whitequark => /tmp/execpad-2bb3c881df6c/source-2bb3c881df6c:2: syntax error, unexpected ':', expecting keyword_end ... (http://eval.in/13358)
<yorickpeterse> ha ha
* yorickpeterse cries
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<whitequark> also do note
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<whitequark> >> def method_missing(*a);p a; end; a ?bb : c
<eval-in> whitequark => [:a] ... (http://eval.in/13362)
<whitequark> >> def method_missing(*a);p a; end; a ?b : c
<eval-in> whitequark => /tmp/execpad-65cc10e24747/source-65cc10e24747:2: syntax error, unexpected ':', expecting keyword_end ... (http://eval.in/13364)
<yorickpeterse> what the fuck
<Kero> >> ?b
<eval-in> Kero => "b" (http://eval.in/13365)
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: EXACTLY.
<whitequark> this is a special case.
<whitequark> ?b is lexed as tSTRING b
<whitequark> ?bb as tEH, tIDENTIFIER bb
<Kero> you have found one of the places where Ruby is white-space sensitive.
<charliesome> one of the countless cases
<whitequark> Kero: thank you I am very well aware of that
* whitequark continues to write a lexer.
<charliesome> whitequark: i dare you to parse ruby with nothing but flex
<whitequark> compare with: m() vs m (); foo\nbar vs foo\n.bar, etc.
<whitequark> charliesome: IMPOSIBRU
<charliesome> whitequark: nope
<charliesome> whitequark: flex has a stack :D
<yorickpeterse> you rack disciprine
<whitequark> charliesome: also you just told me to go fuck myself didn't you?
<charliesome> whitequark: correct ;)
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<charliesome> whitequark: also this SHITS me up the wall
<charliesome> foo\n# handy comment\n.bar
<charliesome> syntax error
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<whitequark> erm
<Kero> whitequark: missed the bit that you try to write a lexer
<whitequark> whoever invented the \n. syntax must be shot
<whitequark> Kero: who said "try"? I *will* write it.
<charliesome> why?
<charliesome> i like it
<whitequark> charliesome: 1) you cannot copy-paste such code in irb
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<whitequark> 2), of which 1) is a consequence: you cannot reason about a line by only looking at that line
<whitequark> and preceding lines
<whitequark> this is the only place where a next line matters
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<charliesome> yes but it is convenient
<charliesome> plus having the . on the next line looks better
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<yorickpeterse> lol.
<yorickpeterse> fuckyou
<yorickpeterse> that pisses me off just as much as people that do this:
<yorickpeterse> herp
<yorickpeterse> , derp
<whitequark> SEMICOLONLESS JAVASCRIPT
<yorickpeterse> meh, that I don't really care about
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<yorickpeterse> charliesome: did you report a bug for that segvault from The Twitters?
<charliesome> yeah there's a bug report in redmine
<charliesome> from a few days ago
<yorickpeterse> Hm, haven't seen it yet on the ML
<charliesome> judofyr and i refined it down to that
<yorickpeterse> or did it already exist?
<charliesome> already existed
<injekt> so i hear ruby isn't cool anymore
<yorickpeterse> ah
<judofyr> yorickpeterse: http://eval.in/13344
<yorickpeterse> injekt: dude bro, Go is where it's at
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<yorickpeterse> judofyr: I know, I was talking about that
<judofyr> ah
<injekt> yorickpeterse: I already write go, I dont think it's supposed to be super cool, maybe node
<charliesome> injekt: that makes me happy
<injekt> charliesome: me too :D
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<charliesome> yorickpeterse: dude bro wanna crush some code
<yorickpeterse> injekt: node is so last year
<yorickpeterse> charliesome: sure, first need to rage at the gym though
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<judofyr> charliesome: btw, I got a bounty from FB :D
<charliesome> nice
<charliesome> how much? (if you don't mind me asking)
<judofyr> $500
<yorickpeterse> noice
<yorickpeterse> judofyr is a true l33t h4x0r
<yorickpeterse> now you just need to commit to Rails master :>
* yorickpeterse runs
<judofyr> :D
<yorickpeterse> haha wtf?
<judofyr> charliesome: the exploit itself was pretty severe (and unique), but they had got quite a few similar reports, so when they looked at my report they've already fixed the exploit
<charliesome> aw
<charliesome> also yeah don't play with xss vulns kiddies
<charliesome> i got my youtube account nuked off the face of the earth
<charliesome> which sucked cos i had some cool videos of some old projects that i've since lost :(
<judofyr> that sucks :(
<yorickpeterse> judofyr is anonymoose
<yorickpeterse> can't touch him
<yorickpeterse> In all seriousness, that's pretty cool though
<charliesome> judofyr: niice
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<charliesome> i miss the good old days of low hanging fruit
<judofyr> charliesome: I didn't find it though. I picked it up from another tweet that used it :P
<judofyr> I just wormified it
<charliesome> i remember discovering the concept of XSS by myself back in 2005 or so
<charliesome> it worked on nearly every site back then
<yorickpeterse> charliesome: so how old were you then, 10? :>
<charliesome> yorickpeterse: mate come on i was 11 ok
<yorickpeterse> charliesome: hahaha
<yorickpeterse> oh how I like teasing people on a Friday
<yorickpeterse> well, every day really
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<yorickpeterse> I remember the first OS X application I p0wn3d/h4x0r3d/cracked
<yorickpeterse> (mind you this was only about 5 years ago)
<charliesome> os x apps are notoriously easy to crack
<charliesome> set the time to 2020
<charliesome> install the 30 day trial
<charliesome> rewind clock
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<rking> For the low low price of screwing up timestamps everywhere on your system, this software can be yours!
<yorickpeterse> except that doesn't work for all of them
<yorickpeterse> I think it was some mind mapping application
<charliesome> rking: yeah it makes redis flip out
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<charliesome> judofyr: stop appearing everywhere in hacker news comments
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<yorickpeterse> judofyr: during the day he's an ordinary Rubyist, during the night he's a internet celebrity
<charliesome> btw has anyone figured out a way to send compressed data in an http request
<yorickpeterse> eh, gzip?
<charliesome> doesn't work in request unforunately :(
<yorickpeterse> wat
<yorickpeterse> Did you set the headers correctly?
<yorickpeterse> also, what lib are you using?
<charliesome> haven't tried it but i did some research on stack overflows
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<charliesome> night
<yorickpeterse> taters
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<judofyr> where did I appear now? :S
<judofyr> oh right, probably this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5422435
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<gnufied> judofyr is #ruby-lang representative on hackernews
<gnufied> he can't help it.
<judofyr> dude, you're putting a lot of pressure on me now :(
<yorickpeterse> " Minimize the number of paths in the $LOAD_PATH. Ideally there should be one path there, but that might not be practical."
<yorickpeterse> wat
<judofyr> yay! "Assignee set to author Nari (Narihiro Nakamura)" https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/8100#change-37823
<Wardrop> judofyr: Good work on tracking down that segfault. Nice to see it's now been assigned in redmine. Hopefully we've get a patch release in a week or two.
<judofyr> Wardrop: thanks. yeah, that's an annoying bug
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<Wardrop> judofyr: Yeah. I encountered the bug only when I pushed up http://scorchedrb.com for the first time. I thought my new framework had some fundamental issue, like some kind of threading incompatibility. I was pretty disheartened for a while there.
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: what particular version of Ragel were you using for your parser again? Wasn't that 6.something?
<yorickpeterse> Commence the /r/programming circlejerk
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<yorickpeterse> I'm amazed nobody mentioned something like "Why not write it in [Go|Haskell|Lisp]"
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<manveru> my firefox is totally busted :(
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<dontbecold_> Does anyone know how to verify Net::HTTP SSL certificates on Engine Yard?
<dontbecold_> Engine Yard doesn't seem to have a system-wide CA cert, and VERIFY_PEER is blowing up because of it
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<manveru> dontbecold_: upload one?
<dontbecold_> manveru: to /etc/ssl/certs?
<manveru> you can tell ruby where to check
<dontbecold_> yea, that's the trouble
<manveru> heh
<dontbecold_> ruby isn't checking where I want it to check
<manveru> you use rvm?
<dontbecold_> so either I have the wrong sort of file :/
<dontbecold_> no, it works in development
<dontbecold_> in production
<dontbecold_> ancient version of gentoo
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<whitequark> argh
<whitequark> I'm considering buying the ISO standard for CHF 238,00
<whitequark> does anyone know if there's a formal grammar there?
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<yorickpeterse> nfi
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<yorickpeterse> btw, are there any rules preventing people from sharing the ISO?
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<injekt> zzak: :(
<zzak> inkjet, whaa?
<injekt> zzak: PR, good job you mentioned tests, I wouldn't have found it otherwise :P
<apeiros_> yorickpeterse: don't get caught, then the rules won't matter
<yorickpeterse> heh well, that's hard when you would buy it and then share it with the world
<yorickpeterse> "FUCK THE ISO" etc
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<zzak> injekt: haha
<zzak> injekt: i think you should send it
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<zzak> options isnt likely to change very much, and it could make it in the next major release
<zzak> if not 4.1, depending on how eric feels about it
<injekt> zzak: ok I'll send it still, I sent a separate one for tests for current --version too
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<zzak> great
<zzak> looks good
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<zzak> thanks!
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<zzak> injekt: i find most of the rdoc tests really nice
<injekt> zzak: yeah they're very good actually
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<zzak> most of rdoc is, i just have a hard time with the parsers, and the kpeg stuff
<injekt> aye
<zzak> injekt: i started working on this one a while ago https://github.com/rdoc/rdoc/issues/45
<zzak> but i fell pretty far short
<injekt> zzak: that would be pretty cool
<zzak> for sure
<zzak> i suck tho
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<injekt> zzak: open a pull req and discuss/ask for help/feedback?
<zzak> i got some feedback from eric a while ago, just havent gotten back to it
<zzak> he said look at generator/json_index
<zzak> for gathering names
<injekt> zzak: I had other failures on that test file btw
<zzak> which one?
<injekt> zzak: options
<injekt> zzak: 1 failure, 3 errors
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<zzak> this one?
<injekt> zzak: yeah odd
<injekt> zzak: ahh
<injekt> nevermind
<injekt> zzak: worked when I manually pushed lib into the load path, it worked before without me having to do that so I assumed it did it for me
<zzak> oh, yah you have to add lib
* whitequark grins
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<zzak> sure thats not a bug in Racc?
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<injekt> zzak: maybe one day https://github.com/rdoc/rdoc/pull/201 :D
<whitequark> zzak: yea
<whitequark> that's a lexer bug
<whitequark> I even know which exact one
<zzak> injekt: sweet!
<injekt> zzak: the test could probably be cleaned up, wasn't sure how to get past the duplication tbh, not much way around it
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<zzak> seems fine to me
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<injekt> zzak: as per #191, rdoc can already link those no?
<zzak> nope
<injekt> weird
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<zzak> the tests passed, but in actual practice it wasnt
<zzak> i cant remember what i was using it for now tho
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<zzak> but define any [] or []= method on an object and try to cross-reference it
<zzak> MyObj#[] or MyObj#[]=
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<injekt> zzak: yeah weird, the reference looks ok in resolve though which is odd
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<zzak> just need time to follow up with this stuff and always get distracted
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<injekt> yeah, things like this usually always take longer than first expected too which doesn't help
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<dankest> What the heck kind of hash is this? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5222733
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<manveru> where did you find that?
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<whitequark> dankest: cool
<whitequark> that looks like a misparsed format
<whitequark> json?
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<dankest> So it turns out it's a serialized PHP hash
<dankest> But I can't get any of the gems that unserialize PHP hashes to do anything
<dankest> Weird looking, right?
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<darix> dankest: maybe ask the php folks to use something portable?
<zzak> json?
<darix> yaml
<darix> whatever
<darix> xml if it has to be
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<yorickpeterse> dankest: yeah that's PHP's format
<yorickpeterse> however, it's PHP's format written as a Ruby Hash
<yorickpeterse> (it's a retarded serialization format, go figure why it's in PHP)
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<soahccc> I get a #<Net::HTTPFound 302 Moved Temporarily readbody=true> but how do I get the redirect url? I almost only found "use httparty" :/ And "#{caller(1)[0]}: warning: HTTPResponse#read_header is obsolete"
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<injekt> soahccc: check the Location header
<injekt> soahccc: response['Location']
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<soahccc> injekt: Thanks! I'm blind or the [] accessor is barely documented
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<injekt> HTTPHeader is mixed into HTTPResponse
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<soahccc> Ahh :) I see, that's helpful
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<mjtko_> evening folks
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<mjtko_> could anybody here please give me a second opinion as to whether this should be considered a ruby 2.0 bug please? (gist incoming)
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<mjtko_> Problems overriding respond_to? in Ruby 2.0.0: https://gist.github.com/mjtko/7704b49d4b9858930750
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<mjtko_> to me, that looks like a bug, but i'd like a second or third opinion before I open it as such
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<brahmana> Can I access a constant declared in a class from irb?
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<zzak> brahmana: try it
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<brahmana> The constant is a regex defined by that class. I want to print that regex in regex.
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<brahmana> zzak: Accessing it like a method (using .) did not work
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<brahmana> I did not find any suitable method (like instance_variable_get) to get a constant
<brahmana> class_variable_get(:URI) did not work (URI is the name of the constant)
<zzak> how did you define the constant?
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<brahmana> URI = /#{SCHEME}(#{USER}:#{PASS}@)?#{NODES}#{DATABASE}/
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<brahmana> where each of those words in capitals were defined just prior to this line
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<zzak> in a class?
<brahmana> Btw, this code is in the Mongoid gem
<brahmana> Yes
<zzak> can you link to the code?
<brahmana> Just a sec
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<zzak> where are you using it?
<brahmana> The constant URI?
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<brahmana> Line number 49 in the same file. But what I want is to print that URI in my irb (where this gem is loaded)
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<zzak> Mongoid::Sessions::MongoidUri::URI
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<brahmana> Tried that already : NameError: private constant Mongoid::Sessions::MongoUri::URI referenced
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<brahmana> I see a private_constant method on the class but Mongoid::Sessions::MongoUri.private_constant(:URI) just returns Mongoid::Sessions::MongoUri
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<zzak> seems to work for me
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<brahmana> The same gem or another sample code that you wrote up?
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<zzak> hmm
<zzak> what version of ruby?
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<brahmana> 2.0
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<zzak> im on trunk
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<zzak> works in irb, not on eval
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<brahmana> I see
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<brahmana> Well, for now I will just redefine it in irb
<zzak> not sure why tho i dont have time to investigate now
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<brahmana> zzak: Np. I will investigate it later. Thank you for you help.
<zzak> np
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<zenspider> rawr! flay --liberal is gonna be awesome
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<apeiros_> zenspider: does that option just make fun of you and then proceed as usual?
<zenspider> funny... I always took you for a conservative
<apeiros_> politics? I don't think I fit well on a single dimension view of politics.
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<apeiros_> windows… 10 years later it still has all those quirks which make it such a pleasing experience…
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<ryanf> whitequark: isn't m {} the same as m() {} ?
<ryanf> hmm, after thinking about it another 10 seconds I realize that is pointless nitpicking
<ryanf> forgive me
<matti> ryanf: Now.
<matti> ryanf: Time to cleanse the shame.
<matti> ryanf: Seppuku.
<matti> ;]
<ryanf> not sure that's strictly necessary
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<whitequark> ryanf: different tokens
<ryanf> whitequark: ah
<whitequark> tLCURLY / tLBRACE / tLBRACE_ARG
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