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darix >
whitequark: so it actually is a libxslt issue not necessarily an nokogiri issue right?
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darix >
whitequark: what should nokogiri do about it? requiring the latest libxslt version or even worse bundling it doesnt make sense
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Is Josh Sm from Ruby Haingoot here?
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ruby-lang859 >
I mean Josh SZ
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I think there is a branch of nokogiri that does all the fetching and compiling for latest libxml2/libxslt
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r0bglees0n >
why not upgrade yourself and rebuild nokogiri?
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drbrain >
you shouldn't even need to rebuild nokogiri
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drbrain >
but, the branch is mostly for people who don't have libxml2/libxslt in the first place, or have a terribly outdated version
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r0bglees0n >
drbrain: id honestly let it be their problem. most people use and appreciate their package managers instead of vendoring in gems.
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whitequark >
darix: yes, not a nokogiri issue
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whitequark >
I was mainly thinking about binding to a particular version, but after a second thought it seems likely that you cannot distinguish that in a distro-independent way
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darix >
whitequark: imho the only real check would be running your snippet as configure check and refuse building
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darix >
but not sure you really want to put all that mess there
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whitequark >
eww, autoconf :/
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whitequark >
or wait, it's probably extconf.rb?
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darix >
whitequark: i used configure loosely
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darix >
probably extconf.rb
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whitequark >
I think this makes sense
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TheNotary >
I have a CustomClass, and I'd like it to be able to do ` "a string" += cc ` without having to explicitly specify .to_s, but it's giving me trouble. Says type error can't converit blah to string
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TheNotary >
The class is HtmlTemplate
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TheNotary >
now that I look at it... that's way too sloppy to be posting on irc, lol, nvmd
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mistym >
I think I have an interesting corollary to "Could god create a rock so heavy he himself could not lift it?"
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mistym >
Ruby just created a JSON file it itself cannot parse. :(
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mistym >
Well crap. I wonder how else I can marshal this.
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TheNotary >
what are you marshalling, btw?
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mistym >
Arrays of ASCII art strings. JSON and YAML both barfed.
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mistym >
I suppose they don't deal well with unusual characters...
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bnagy >
mistym: messagepack
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bnagy >
or, like, Marshal
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mistym >
bnagy: Thanks, I'll try those.
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bnagy >
json and yaml get pissy about invalid encoding combos
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bnagy >
although I am surprised that you can annoy them with 'normal' ( 7 bit ) ascii
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mistym >
Yeah, I thought that was weird too.
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bnagy >
oh, duh, probably not encoding, probably just unescaped delimiters or terminators of some kind
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ascii art would be a pretty evil testcase for that
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mistym >
aalib should obviously be a part of ruby's testsuite.
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mistym >
Hooray, marshal did the trick! Thanks again for the suggestion.
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bnagy >
np, obviously Marshal is ruby to ruby only
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freedrull >
haha, using an options hash like `my_opt = opts[:my_opt] || true` doesn't work so well...
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tsion >
freedrull: Why not?
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truls >
isn't there a hash lookup with a default value?
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truls >
if there's not, make one
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freedrull >
maybe, does Hash#fetch take a default value
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tsion >
Yeah, opts.fetch(:my_opt, true)
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freedrull >
sweeeeet
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truls >
you can also set a default value on the hash itself with opts.default = true
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truls >
but fetch is more readable i think
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truls >
and reminds you every time you do it
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freedrull >
oh woah i didnt know that either
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truls >
me neither :) wonders of online docs and google..
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tsion >
Or ri and pry
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bnagy >
you can also do opts = defaults.merge user_opts
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freedrull >
that would be nice and short, although its nice to doc the available options *some*where.....
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bnagy >
not seeing where any of the above has anything to do with docs
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bnagy >
but at least with a defaults hash ( or constant hash or whatever ) you can see the defaults by reading the code
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freedrull >
oh i guess you'd see it when you set opts.defaults= , yea
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DEFAULTS= {widgets: :frobbed, pieces: 8, ducks_go: 'quak'}
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mbj >
whitequark: Evening!
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mbj >
whitequark: Still busy with cleaning up debris.
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yorickpeterse >
morning
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whitequark >
mbj: ... Evening?
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whitequark >
you're at CEST? Central European, right?
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mbj >
whitequark: I'll have time in the Evening ;)
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mbj >
whitequark: This was an in IRC to twitter reply.
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whitequark >
ah, sure :)
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mbj >
whitequark: Good stuff in your testing dsl!
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mbj >
whitequark: I have to force myself on the business issue, else I'd not get time.
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mbj >
whitequark: /re CEST yes.
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andrewvos >
Step2: Script the creation of 1000 Heroku accounts
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andrewvos >
Step3: Mine bitcoins on 50,000 micro instances
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andrewvos >
Step4: ???
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andrewvos >
Step5: (probably not) Profit!
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judofyr >
CPU mining?
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<
judofyr >
no profit at all
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judofyr >
it's all custom silicon these days
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* andrewvos
goes back to drawing board
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andrewvos >
judofyr: Custom silicon? Don't you just mean GPUs?
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judofyr >
andrewvos: nope, GPUs are out
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andrewvos >
Wow purdy
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andrewvos >
judofyr: How do you work out how many bitcoins it could potentially mine?
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andrewvos >
In time
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<
andrewvos >
Oh wait
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andrewvos >
Just realised I know how to read
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<
andrewvos >
(so useful!)
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andrewvos >
25,200 millions hashes per second
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andrewvos >
oh wait that's not for the one you linked
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andrewvos >
At the current bitcoin exchange rate this really seems like a good idea judofyr
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spike|spiegel >
just wait til it tanks...
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injekt >
lol bitcoiin
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zzak >
where did you guys put the milk
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<
yorickpeterse >
zzak: I drank it
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judofyr >
yorickpeterse: YOU DRANK IT?
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<
yorickpeterse >
YES
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<
yorickpeterse >
also cereal
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mbj >
whitequark: I'll begin 21:00 CEST, 3 free hours!
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siwica >
Is anybody using Aptana for Ruby development? I have problems making the autocomplete work for external libraries. any hints?
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rue >
No, I use an editor…
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siwica >
you dont consider Aptana a proper editor, or what do you mean?
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siwica >
I am using the standard ruby editor within, if you mean that
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zzak >
siwica: they have a bug tracker and help forum, you should check there
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siwica >
thank you! I was hoping for instant help but unfortunately they dont seem to have an irc channel
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TheNotary >
I use Aptana for ruby development
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TheNotary >
it's open right now
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siwica: What are you wondering about?
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I installed a gem from github through bundler
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Now how do I uninstall that?
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TheNotary >
gem uninstall the_gem
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brahmana >
The installed gem is placed under a separate bundler directory and the gem command doesn't list it at all
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TheNotary >
the gem has been 'vendorized' or something. So all the code is located within the project folder where you involde bundle from to install
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so I think just deleting it's folder removes all traces (other than whats in the .gemfile-lock) if i'm not mistaken
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Nope, it's not vendored. It is the main gems directory itself. Only the gems installed from git urls are placed in that bundler directory
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TheNotary >
you might also try removing the reference from Gemfile and do `bundle`
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TheNotary: ^^ Did that already. Removed that from Gemfile and did a bundle install. The folder still persists
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TheNotary >
hmm.. i'm out of ideas then =/
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TheNotary >
is it showing up in gem list |grep the_gem?
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brahmana >
I am using rvm and this is where it is installed : ~/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p0/bundler/gems/contacts-aaa3d670d2a8 where as other gems are installed here : ~/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p0/gems
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TheNotary: No, it does not show up in gem list | grep contacts
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brahmana >
Does that mean the gem is not installed and bundler would load that from that directory dynamically ?
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TheNotary >
That sounds like a bug. I noticed something screwy with ruby-2.0.0-p0 before actually... The folder was somehow set to root access only (I have no idea how that could happen).
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TheNotary >
I didn't report anything though because it was too weird to list as an issue =/
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aah I see..
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brahmana >
It looks more like a bundler feature for gems loaded via a git uri
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brahmana >
A couple of other gems that I have specified with git uri are also placed in the same bundler/gems directory and are not listed in gem list | grep gem_name
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siwica >
@Notary: I want aptana to make auto complete suggestions for classes i use from externam ruby gems
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efy >
Is using special vars like $' and $` considered okay style for Ruby?
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efy >
I don't have much previous experience w/ Ruby or Perl.
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apeiros >
I prefer not to
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apeiros >
and I'd prefer ruby to abolish them.
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TheNotary >
siwica: I don't think anyone's written that functionality yet for Aptana, although it sure would be nice. Right now I get by simply by pulling up the github repo for the gem in my browser which isn't as quick as checking an auto-complete list, but it's more thorough since you get to see the algo and comments.
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jfarmer >
This question might get a better answer here since it's really about object-oriented design.
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jfarmer >
Let's say I'm building a textbook for a set of schools. The textbook has many units and each unit has many quizzes. There's some quiz data which is global but there's another set of quiz data which is school specific, e.g., schools can put a quiz in different units, schools can differ as to whether a quiz is required, etc.
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jfarmer >
There's an additional constraint that this be done in a Rails-friendly way, but for now that's a secondary concern.
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jfarmer >
I'm thinking of creating a QuizWithSchool class that represents a quiz in the context of a particular school (i.e., a decorator).
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jfarmer >
Thoughts?
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drbrain >
jfarmer: sounds like "all quiz data is global" plus "this school uses these quizes"
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drbrain >
and if you have "private" quiz data, then a separate ownership relationship could be added
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jfarmer >
drbrain: No, there's other data, too.
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jfarmer >
drbrain: For example, whether a quiz is required, where the quiz appears inside the unit, etc.
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jfarmer >
Those also vary on a per-school basis.
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jfarmer >
From the quiz editor's perspective, I don't want them to have to think about this, ideally.
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jfarmer >
I also don't want to overcomplicate the code.
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drbrain >
is there a hard requirement that school A not be able to see school B's quiz that only school B uses?
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jfarmer >
drbrain: It's not just whether a quiz is in a unit that varies.
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drbrain >
or does school A say "I want to make a quiz and order them like so"
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jfarmer >
drbrain: Both schools might have Quiz A in Unit X, but they might be in different positions.
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jfarmer >
drbrain: Or one school might have it marked as required and the other as optional.
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jfarmer >
Ideally, the person editing the quiz needn't be aware of this, since they're also a member of a particular school.
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drbrain >
so I would give a school units and units quizzes
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drbrain >
with a recommended order of some sort for units that the school can clone and alter
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drbrain >
(more for usability)
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jfarmer >
If you change the requirements ;)
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jfarmer >
Oh, clone and alter, I see.
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jfarmer >
Well, the ordering of units is not important.
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jfarmer >
In fact, the units will be the same across all schools.
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jfarmer >
And their ordering.
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whitequark >
ugly as hell
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whitequark >
anyone knows how to fix this?
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drbrain >
whitequark: looks like you're running rake -t
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whitequark >
drbrain: I don't
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whitequark >
but it definitely looks so
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drbrain >
I wonder if it's a bug, I haven't used rake 10 :/
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drbrain >
… I only get that output with -t
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jfarmer >
whitequark: Do you see the same error with Ruby 1.9?
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drbrain >
jfarmer: it seems like keeping it as straightforward as you can is best
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jfarmer >
drbrain: I'm missing how to keep it straightforward, then.
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drbrain >
I don't see anything outlandish in your requirements that would necessitate more complexity
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whitequark >
jfarmer: yeah same
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whitequark >
aaaand yes, it's OK with rake 0.9
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drbrain >
jfarmer: I think pointing the school to a default unit thingy until they decide to alter it is the way to go
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jfarmer >
drbrain: That seems more complex to me.
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jfarmer >
drbrain: The ugly thing is something like this
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drbrain >
don't you need a way to specify the optional-ness of a quiz per unit regardless?
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drbrain >
… I don't see that in your gist
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jfarmer >
drbrain: A quiz is only in one unit, so in a world where there's no per school data being required is a property of the quiz itself.
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jfarmer >
drbrain: Right, so, I'm imagining a new table whose primary key is (school_id, quiz_id)
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drbrain >
I think I got confused for a minute there thinking a quiz could appear in a new unit
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jfarmer >
And it contains fields like unit_id, required, etc. and whatever else
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drbrain >
that's exactly what I was thinking
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jfarmer >
Ok, then so far we're on the same page. :)
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drbrain >
… a join model
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jfarmer >
But now things become a little complicated.
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drbrain >
(is that what they're calling it still?)
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jfarmer >
Well, the table is a join table, yes.
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jfarmer >
I dunno is Rails has a Rails-specific word for it.
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drbrain >
sure, anyhow, on to the complicated
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jfarmer >
Code that used to look like: @unit = Unit.find(params[:id]), @unit.challenges, etc.
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jfarmer >
Now becomes something like @unit.challenge_for(current_school)
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jfarmer >
challenges_for
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drbrain >
I think I would address it from the school
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jfarmer >
RUBBY DUCKY DEBUGGING
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jfarmer >
I just realized
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jfarmer >
I'd probably rather type something like current_school.units.find(params[:id])
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jfarmer >
Still, @unit = current_school.units.find(params[:id]); @unit.challenges ???
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jfarmer >
How does that last bit work?
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drbrain >
I think units would go through the join table
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drbrain >
not direct to Unit
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jfarmer >
Not sure I follow
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drbrain >
has_many :units, through: :school_units or something like that
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jfarmer >
What has_many units? The school?
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jfarmer >
Sure, that's fine
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drbrain >
yes, the school
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jfarmer >
That's what my code describes
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drbrain >
(if I'm using your terminology correctly)
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jfarmer >
School has many units through the join table
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jfarmer >
current_school.units maps to the SQL: "SELECT * FROM units JOIN whatever ON (whatever.unit_id = units.id) WHERE whatever.school_id = ?"
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jfarmer >
Where "whatever" is the (school_id, quiz_id, unit_id, required) table we were discussing.
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jfarmer >
Sure, so, I'm talking about a page like
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jfarmer >
"/units/10"
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jfarmer >
UnitsController#show in Rails parlance
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sure, or maybe /schools/5/units/10, to get the school ID in there too
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jfarmer >
Sure, although there's really a current_school method that returns the School of whatever user is logged in
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jfarmer >
But, yes, somehow we know the school ID
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jfarmer >
That's fine
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drbrain >
we're now getting to the edges of my rails knowledge since I've only worked on a rails app for about 3 months of the past two years
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jfarmer >
"TO INFINITY AND BEYOND" - Buzz Lightyear
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drbrain >
I think you have two options here
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drbrain >
a) return the join model for current_school.units
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jfarmer >
Ah, true.
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drbrain >
b) use "include" to pull in the quiz data
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jfarmer >
Not sure I follow on that last one.
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jfarmer >
What would I be including and where?
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jfarmer >
Meh, ok, I think I've got this.
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jfarmer >
That said...
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drbrain >
since using the right terminology to explain what you should include is taking me a bit
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jfarmer >
Well, you can only "include" a module.
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drbrain >
no, it's a rails thing
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jfarmer >
You me like whatever.includes(:blah_blah)?
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jfarmer >
eager loading?
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jfarmer >
Well, the icky thing about that is it will require every user to pull in the data from all schools
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And then select down in Ruby the school-specific code
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includes only works with associations and you can't have an association with a dynamic condition in Rails
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jfarmer >
drbrain: The display side is clearer in my mind, but the editing side still seems awful.
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jfarmer >
This is where a "context object" that contains the quiz seems helpful
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drbrain >
wouldn't that context object be a model for the join table?
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jfarmer >
Well, imagine you're editing a challenge
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drbrain >
do I edit the content of the quiz, just make it (non) optional or both?
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jfarmer >
And ideally in the same interface.
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Not ideally, it'd be dumb if it weren't.
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jfarmer >
"/quizzes/10/edit"
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drbrain >
then I would probably never create a controller action that modifies the Quiz directly
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jfarmer >
Ah, I see
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only via the model on the join table
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Ok, right.
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drbrain >
I would make it appear as a single resource
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drbrain >
HTTP resource
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jfarmer >
Yep, you're right.
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drbrain >
you could have a second edit resource for bulk editing just optional-ness as a series of radio buttons or whatever
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jfarmer >
Rails really wants you to use fields_for
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jfarmer >
And if you have form_for(@quiz) then it's confusing
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jfarmer >
But if you have form_for(@contextual_thing)
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then you can easily have fields_for(@contextual_thing.quiz)
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jfarmer >
This becomes a little confunsing
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drbrain >
you can also have a separate partial for the quiz-only portion
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jfarmer >
Sure sure, yeah, that's not the confusing bit
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jfarmer >
But thinking about the display side again for a sec
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jfarmer >
Basically, both a Unit and a Quiz have a context-dependent view
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jfarmer >
The unit, which lists all quizzes for a particular page
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jfarmer >
Er, a particular school
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And the quiz, which contains school-specific data
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(BTW, why not "lesson" or some other more-specific word than "unit" which is more generic)
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We use more domain-specific language outside the code base, but in the code there's some path dependence.
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jfarmer >
There used to be an intermediary thing called a lesson
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and it was removed and unit remained
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Alright, this was helpful. I'll see what mess the code turns into. Thanks drbrain!
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which json library is smart enough to coerce Objects into Hashes/Arrays via as_json or to_hash?
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can null object patterns solve this problem: if date > other_date (where the other_date might be nil)
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i guess NullObject could implement to_datetime and return Time.at(0), but I'm sure I would accidentally use that method for presentation at some point...
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wouldn't it be a NullTime (or NullDate) then?
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also, why wouldn't your NullDate be fully presentable?
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I thought that was part of the pattern
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hmm in this case i'm asking if the pattern can be applied to comparing to a nil value
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but maybe its not applicable i dunno
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I think Avdi wrote an article about exactly your problem
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so I guess not exactly your problem
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yeah i think avdi is where i first heard of this idea, ill check out the article again and see if he covers this particular case
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postmodern: activesupport?..
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postmodern >
whitequark, ah yes
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postmodern >
whitequark, also remembered dm-serializer supports it
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whitequark: want to see a magic trick
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whitequark >
charliesome: shoot
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charliesome >
19>> class X < (); end; X.ancestors
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whitequark >
charliesome: so
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whitequark >
19>> class X < nil; end; X.ancestors