<solrize>
hey is openssl on the nanonote?  can someone run "openssl speed rsa1024" and paste the output?  thanks!
<rejon_>
solrize, yes it is
<rejon_>
solrize, great to get you using a nanonote :)
<jow_laptop>
xiangfu: to make udhcp send the hostname, simply add "option hostname whatever" to /etc/config/network file
<jow_laptop>
within the config interface lan section
<xiangfu>
jow_laptop, oh. yes. thanks
<xiangfu>
then I need send another patch to upstream. :)
<xiangfu>
I will do that.
<xiangfu>
jow_laptop,  by the way I have send some naonote linux 3.0 patches to openwrt mailing list. so far no one reply. maybe you can take a look of those patches. it compile fine(the buildhost build it everyday :)
<jow_laptop>
I think its up to larsc to integrate those
<jow_laptop>
thats why nobody else replied
<jow_laptop>
does not mean they're wrong or not appreciated, just that the platform maintainer did not react yet
<xiangfu>
ok.
<jow_laptop>
I can take a look of course when I find time
<xiangfu>
thanks.
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/plot-cdf: added option -i to interpolate empirical results (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/13479e1
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/plot-corr: make scatter plot of time between corruptions (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/bb25893
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/Makefile: target "tar" to collect raw data files needed for further analysis (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/1c331b3
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/plot-corr: options -n and -i to set samples and interval (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/36b52a9
<xiangfu>
C-Keen, I am creating one package frotz-games that include all your list zcode games. :)
<xiangfu>
download and test in nanonote now.
<C-Keen>
I don't have it with me atm but will gladly do so later
<xiangfu>
C-Keen, LostPig.zblorb Savoir-Faire.zblorb give me error 'Fatal error: Unknown Z-code version'
<xiangfu>
C-Keen,  anchor.z8 give Fatal error: Illegal opcode
<xiangfu>
photopia.z5 vgame.z8 awaken.z5 adverbum.z5 works just fine.
<xiangfu>
C-Keen, sure, take your time.
<C-Keen>
xiangfu: I wonder whether they are in the correct format. I will come back to you with a solution
<C-Keen>
and each year there are a couple of new games
<C-Keen>
see ifcomp.org for the ongoing competition
<xiangfu>
cool
<C-Keen>
I love those :)
<wolfspra1l>
C-Keen: are those new games typically free? is there awareness for the need to specify licenses, or people just upload their stuff without much attention to licenses?
<C-Keen>
wolfspra1l: there is only a rule about that which might be a bit vague: All entries must be freely playable by judges, no strings attached. While you retain the copyright to any games you enter, by entering you are granting the competition and the Interactive Fiction Archive the non-exclusive right to distribute your game for free, and granting judges the right to play your game for free. No shareware, donorware, commercial products, etc. may be entered.
<wpwrak>
so IFA would have to acquire qi-hw and all ben users would have to become judges, and we'd be almost there ;-)
<C-Keen>
or I can try to mail authors and ask them for permission
<C-Keen>
some of them might still be reachable
<C-Keen>
wolfspra1l: The files and games on the archive
<C-Keen>
may not be compiled for commercial distribution without permission
<C-Keen>
from each and every author of the files you would like to
<C-Keen>
distribute. Note that commercial distribution includes selling games
<C-Keen>
or game compilations on online auction sites.
<C-Keen>
does preflashing in on a nanonote qualify as commercial? I'd say yes
<C-Keen>
s,in,it
<wpwrak>
NC licenses are so much fun :) (and yes, that would qualify. even including it in the official distribution for later upgrades should be considered that way)
<C-Keen>
so I suggest that you withdraw these games again as much as I like them
<C-Keen>
the legal status is too vague
<C-Keen>
you could add a readme and point people to the archive of course
<wpwrak>
i think the correct approach is to ask the authors and include only those where you get a favourable answer. not sure what licensing terms wolfgang would consider acceptable. i guess he'd prefer the simplicity of public domain, CC0, or WTF ;-)
<C-Keen>
I am sorry for having cause so much trouble
<wpwrak>
pity that there doesn't seem to be open source
<wpwrak>
i don't think there's been much trouble. licensing issues are daily business ;-)
<C-Keen>
for example the game adverbum contains a license that it needs explicit permission from the author to be distributed by other means than ifarchive or the author's website
<C-Keen>
wpwrak: well xiangfu already has comitted some games :/
<C-Keen>
the awakening seems to be ok wrt license
<C-Keen>
but that seems to be the only one :/
<C-Keen>
wolfspra1l: ^
<jow_laptop>
you could include a downloader instead
<jow_laptop>
some choice list + wget download script
<jow_laptop>
like msttcorefonts are handled on major distros
<C-Keen>
yeah that's no problem
<wpwrak>
downloaders are tricky, too. in general, automated inclusion should be considered the same as actual inclusion. except for cases where it merely enforces some click-through license.
<jow_laptop>
k
<wpwrak>
not that i'd expect trouble with those games. but, for example, if this was for, say, an H.264 or MP3 decoder, it would be dangerous
<wpwrak>
because those who style themselves "rights owners" could argue that this makes the "illegal" offer part of the whole product. and they could use this to, say, get things banned from distribution, import, etc.
<wpwrak>
projects that produce only software downloadable from all over the internet are of course pretty immune to such threats. nobody will go after the meager pockets of some hacker in a distant country, not even "pour encourager les autres" (*)
<wolfspra1l>
C-Keen: no problem, then we remove all others but awakening
<wolfspra1l>
and we contact the authors about public domain / cc0 / cc-by / cc-by-sa etc.
<wolfspra1l>
C-Keen: you are not causing any problems btw. the links to ifarchive/ifcomp are great
<wolfspra1l>
unfortunately they don't care much about licensing other than their own needs, but there may still be good stuff there, we just need to do a little more homework
<C-Keen>
all is well then
<wolfspra1l>
absolutely
<wolfspra1l>
all is well
<C-Keen>
which reminds me to setup the cross compilation toolchain finally for a port of the chicken scheme compiler
<solrize>
hey wolfspra1l did you ever hear from sparkfun.com about them selling the nanonote?  they emailed me that they were going to look into it
<wolfspra1l>
solrize: oh nice, thanks a lot for advocating this!
<wolfspra1l>
no I did not hear from them
<wolfspra1l>
and from my perspective, my outside understanding of the sparkfun business, I think it would not fit
<wolfspra1l>
I think I also emailed them once or so, many moons ago - no response
<wolfspra1l>
which confirmed my suspicion that it's a mismatch
<solrize>
oh well
<wolfspra1l>
but I'm open minded, and it's great that you ping them too
<solrize>
how about thinkgeek.com?
<wolfspra1l>
my understanding of their business is a guess
<wolfspra1l>
have never tried thinkgeek
<solrize>
it was just a thought
<wolfspra1l>
yes, it's good
<wolfspra1l>
like I say: thank you for helping!
<solrize>
np
<solrize>
are you still planning a YA?
<wolfspra1l>
absolutely
<solrize>
cool
<wolfspra1l>
just keep in mind we play for the long run here
<wolfspra1l>
I think Ben NanoNote develops very well
<solrize>
it would be nice to have a microsim slot
<wolfspra1l>
now Milkymist One, my second product. it interacts with the NanoNote in some ways in the future, which ways exactly is not clear yet :-)
<solrize>
hehe
<wolfspra1l>
microsim for 3g ?
<wpwrak>
thinkgeek may be a slightly closer match. the ben is actually a bit between the two. thinkgeek is more about geeky end-user products. so the ben may not be polished enough. while it may be considered too polished for sparkfun. tricky ;-)
<solrize>
microsim for security coprocessor
<wolfspra1l>
can you be more specific technically?
<wolfspra1l>
which coprocessor do you have in mind?
<solrize>
maybe basiccard.de at first but the idea is to have a generic slot
<solrize>
basiccard.com
<solrize>
the idea is to run gnupg on the nano with the keys on the sim
<solrize>
another interesting product might be a server version of the nano... basically a nano w/no keyboard screen or battery, perhaps 4 or 8 of them on a single board
<solrize>
with an ethernet port and built in switch
<solrize>
i've been messing around with ultra cheap vps hosting (lowendbox.com)
<solrize>
and sometimes you really want a physically separate server that doesn't have to be powerful
<DocScrutinizer>
microsim port for this purpose is way to specific. I'd suggest a USB host port with a USB microsim dongle
<DocScrutinizer>
if you build the USB into a bay to avoid protruding parts when dongle got plugged, this could be a very rugged and useful design
<DocScrutinizer>
wait, PC-card slots come with a USB port afaik
<wpwrak>
sounds all very bulky
<DocScrutinizer>
so a PC-card -> generic USB receptacle adapter might be a friggin nice "peripheral"
<DocScrutinizer>
looks at all his USB dongles and thiks most of them are all but bulky
<DocScrutinizer>
seems a length of 40mm excl plug * 18mm * 9mm is pretty much a defacto standard formfactor
<DocScrutinizer>
though some storage sticks are like 56mm long
<DocScrutinizer>
still < 9mm * 18mm, so such a stick would protrude from that bay a 16mm
<wpwrak>
ergo such a thing wouldn't really fit _inside_ a future nanonote
<DocScrutinizer>
registers patent of a sliding USB receptacle, to both slide out dongles to pull them and also protrude "shirt" dongles just enough to expose LEDs etc
<DocScrutinizer>
short*
<DocScrutinizer>
wpwrak: I stopped censoring my ideas ruled by some case designer's idea of the product's formfactor, when I seen gta03 go down basically for "WHAT?! 5mm longer?"
<DocScrutinizer>
btw I really warned Tully about exactly that would happen when he contacted me about that +5mm idea
<DocScrutinizer>
It still hurts I missed to utter a "toldya!"
<wpwrak>
yeah, but here's it's more like 5 cm ;-)
<wpwrak>
you can still send him a mail :)
<DocScrutinizer>
5cm?? err - your next device is meant to be 15*15*15mm?
<wpwrak>
taking into account that is should contain more than just your internal USB bay ;)
<wpwrak>
and yes, 15mm cubed would be pretty cool ;)
<DocScrutinizer>
if that case is at least 60mm wide and 12mm thick, then I can't see such a bay adding anything more than a 20mm height
<wpwrak>
20 mm !!
<wpwrak>
why not a 19" rack ? ;-)
<DocScrutinizer>
meh
<DocScrutinizer>
runs to sell his patent to Nokia rather than wasting it here
<wpwrak>
new market niche: portable computes to sell at fitness studios ;)
<DocScrutinizer>
registers a sequel patent: dual use for the bay: audio transmission line
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/upset: take address and value from command-line; report outcome (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/d6e1e8b
<viric>
the milkymist takes only 5W?
<viric>
impressive.
<kristianpaul>
viric: considering that this fpga actually aparently dont do too much power saving yes :)