<kyak>
i think it should work.. Probably would need to write an SPI driver for it though
<tuxbrain_HxxHhzo>
I have to make a order on this shop for other reasons, I don't have time to hack with it but I can buy a pair it and loan one to any one with knowledge and time to do so
<kristianpaul>
Yes it should work,
<kristianpaul>
Btw linux dont have already a spi bitbanging  driver ?
<kristianpaul>
have a spi ethernet somwhere too
<kristianpaul>
ah, no, well, we have werner's spiio :-)
<kristianpaul>
oh,  MOTG is how they call to all their 8:10 modules?
<kristianpaul>
nice
<wpwrak>
hates blackouts
<kristianpaul>
time to import some magic solar panels from china? :)
<wpwrak>
or put some diesel generator on the terrace ...
<kristianpaul>
too
<mstevens>
wpwrak: don't drink so much
<wpwrak>
hehe ;-) not a drop actually. too wet already outside :)
<wpwrak>
heh, nice :) the "organic" layout would drive me crazy if i had to debug anything, though
<kyak>
nice! you didn't make those in Russia, did you?
<whitequark>
kyak: nope, http://iteadstudio.com has done them. $25, two days in China and two weeks at Russian customs
<whitequark>
wpwrak: why? this layout reduces the number of vias by factor of 2 or 3. isn't that a simplification?
<kyak>
whitequark: really cheap, too :)
<whitequark>
kyak: that's why. also, while it is not very fast, it is actually faster than to do it in Russia. a friend works for a Zelenograd company which makes sonic fish scanner (or however that is called). they've bought a pcb in Russia, and it'll take ca. 1.5 months to get it
<whitequark>
and of course it is more expensive.
<wpwrak>
whitequark: (layout) naw, i just mean the same topology but with straight lines. makes it easier to spot anomalies and to follow traces
<whitequark>
wpwrak: ah. maybe. I'm not very experienced in that, as you may guess :D
<whitequark>
there is even a stupid error: no thermals
<whitequark>
that'll be a pain
<wpwrak>
you mean thermal relief ? yeah. you'll suffer for that ;-)
<wpwrak>
luckily, there are not so many pads/pins with this issue
<whitequark>
they are called `thermals' in Eagle, and I didn't seen any references in other places. Thanks, now I know how that's called
<wpwrak>
i think the openmoko debug board (v2) had the same flaw. of course, you don't notice during industrial SMT because the reflow oven heats the whole board. but soldering those optional connector was ... surprisingly difficult
<whitequark>
I've seen something like that in a router
<whitequark>
there was a debug port, but without thermal reliefs.
<whitequark>
even worse, the holes were filled with SnAuCu solder
<whitequark>
... that was the moment I realized that a RoES directive should be written. you know, Restriction of Engineer's Sufferings
<steve|m>
and when soldering you look at your soldering station and think "moar power igor!!" ;)
<whitequark>
I think I've spent a whole hour soldering three freaking holes.
<wpwrak>
sounds like "snafu" ;-)
<steve|m>
wpwrak: that's what I read at first as well :)
<steve|m>
ah, SnAuCu is ROHS solder.. then snafu makes sense
<wpwrak>
whitequark: you could have used a drill to empty the hole ;-))
<whitequark>
that metals really should go where they belong. gold to plating and intra-IC connections. silver to rings, necklaces and relay contacts, as all of them look nicer with it
<whitequark>
wpwrak: ah. a drill. I even had one. thanks, I'll remember that
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain_HxxHhzo: get one, make it work, post pictures :)
<tuxbrain_HxxHhzo>
I can see the utility of the gps , apart of the cool factor, what is the utiliti to add such second screen to NN? (I can buy one of those and if you help me with the app I can also make the photos)
<wpwrak>
isn't the coolness factor enough reason ? ;-)
<wpwrak>
heh, the purest SPI. sure. it's exactly like the SPI you've already used with the arduino.
<tuxbrain>
Looks promising :) , Is the Nanomap developer already here? I think we can bost this app connecting a real GPS to NN :), also NN can become a real GPS cool gadget for OpenStreet mappers creating some app to edit streets names or so...
<tuxbrain>
They also mention a WiFI MOTG device but I can't see any info about it... I will ask
<wpwrak>
they seem to be a good place for uSD gadgets :)
<wpwrak>
naw, that's just some <weird>-to-faux-uSD converter. we don't need that. we have the ben ;-)
<tuxbrain>
ok :)
<tuxbrain>
done
<tuxbrain>
Also asked the reseller conditions, lets see, maybe we can increase the NN accesories in Tuxbrain
<wpwrak>
btw, any changes in ben sales recently ?
<wpwrak>
or just constantly low ?
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/: infrastructure and test script for temperature measurements (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/8741616
<tuxbrain>
low, but I think I have slightly more sales than wolfgang, I have sell two this week :P
<wpwrak>
whee ! :) and how are atben/atusb doing ?
<tuxbrain>
freeze,  I hope blogic  project can re-activate the thing
<kristianpaul>
i remenber nanomap had support for gpsd, but it never worked for me..
<kristianpaul>
is built-in the atena for this gps receiver?
<wpwrak>
(freeze) :-(
<wpwrak>
and ubb ?
<kristianpaul>
s/atena/antena
<tuxbrain>
If not was for Arduino and Efika and seem than the rugged PDAÂ Â also start to catch some interest Tuxbrain has closed some months ago...
<tuxbrain>
kristianpaul: yes is buit in
<tuxbrain>
ubb as freeze as atben
<kristianpaul>
wow there is even a RF24G. wonder more specs about that
<kristianpaul>
tuxbrain: you mean atusb rules sales?
<wpwrak>
gnats--;Â Â /* first one this spring */
<tuxbrain>
all Qi related products are a very low (or totally frozen ) on sales at least in tuxbrain
<wpwrak>
hmm. bad :-(
<kristianpaul>
:-/
<kristianpaul>
ha practicaly you can skip NEMA, seems that module provides latitude and longitude with some reads
<tuxbrain>
that is good or bad? :P
<kristianpaul>
good :)
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: is that spiio what you meantioned tuxbrain already tested with an arduino?
<kristianpaul>
yes reading it now looks quite simple !!
<kristianpaul>
amazing
<tuxbrain>
kristianpaul: yes it works, but I screewed some timer in the arduino part that doesn't let me use the delay function after SPI communication, but a part than that it works like a charm
<kristianpaul>
good to know
<tuxbrain>
I think is the Lib I use to make arduino spi slave, is not the official due the official one is only master, I had no time/knowledge to review what has messed with timer in charge of delay function
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/mtemp: so Ubuntu now has a usbtmc module that gets in the way. rmmod :) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/84b2d41
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: a rmmod inside a loop, is that dangerous it came back again? :)
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: seems that the device disconnects and re-enumerates occasionally. and then the module comes back. i should look into a proper way to disable it. or use the usbtmc module instead of my own driver.
<kristianpaul>
yes :)
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: may be because the 30m? :)
<kristianpaul>
tuxbrain: very coold stuff on that shop, nice finding !
<wpwrak>
(30m) maybe. will be fun if it's really highly unreliable.
<wpwrak>
.. because i'll also have m1-jtag and labsw on that hub
<DocScrutinizer>
wpwrak: you for sure can answer this and scratch my itch: is scheduler plugged hard into kernel, or can it get swapped, at least at boot-time?
<wpwrak>
hmm, good question. you mean the CPU scheduler, i assume. (there are other schedulers, for disk, network, etc. these are all modular)
<DocScrutinizer>
yup, cpu, as in bfs/cfs
<wpwrak>
the cpu scheduler used to be fixed. but that may have changed.
<DocScrutinizer>
I guess it hasn't then...
<wpwrak>
yeah, it's modular no
<wpwrak>
w
<DocScrutinizer>
indeed?
<DocScrutinizer>
wow, since when? (kernel version)
<wpwrak>
but now 100% modular. there's some hard-coded knowledge about the schedulers
<wpwrak>
there are four schedulers: stoptask, rt, fair, and idletask
<DocScrutinizer>
(tires to kill a kernel fork done for bfs for the giggles, err "because it's allegedly way faster" without any decent comarative statistics on the target platform)
<wpwrak>
;-)
<wpwrak>
that is, that's the status of "Flesh-Eating Bats with Fangs" aka 2.6.38