<zrafa>
kristianpaul: wpwrak : I will not show our cool scope and you will envy our tools because you will have the doub haha
<wpwrak>
zrafa: ;-)
<DocScrutinizer>
wpwrak: hey, every now and then I run again into "originally written by Werner Almesberger" when it comes to cmdline tools
<DocScrutinizer>
I wonder if that means anything that it's usually in manpages that I rarely ever need - probably because the tool is so pretty intuitive to use :-)
<wpwrak>
killall ? ;-)
<wpwrak>
i can't quite claim the credit for the ease of use of the tools in psmisc - they all were inspired by SGI's IRIX
<wpwrak>
there are some more in common use, but they're less intuitive and tend to be used somewhere in the bowels of the system. things like pivot_root.
<DocScrutinizer>
OMG pivot_root :-D
<wpwrak>
(-:C
<DocScrutinizer>
>>Some of the more obscure uses of pivot_root() may quickly lead to insanity.<<
<DocScrutinizer>
funny enugh I've read pivot_root manpage just yesterday
<wpwrak>
hmm, i wonder if a had a hand in writing this man page ... don't quite remember :)
<wpwrak>
well, not in the man page itself. i'm pretty sure about that. but the README things were copied from.
<DocScrutinizer>
well, no Almesberger mentioned in pivot_root manpage, it's actually been killall that I referred to above
<wpwrak>
heh, a popular choice :)
<qwebirc26856>
Just got the nanonote today.  I booted it up, then reflashed, but now it will only turn on when plugged into the usb. Â
<qwebirc26856>
Is there something I am not aware of? Â
<wpwrak>
qwebirc26856: welcome to the club ! :) sounds like an empty or not properly connected battery
<wpwrak>
maybe try removing USB and battery, wait ~20 seconds, then insert the battery again, then press the power button for a few seconds. that should do the trick.
<qwebirc26856>
Each time I plug the usb cable in the light flashes red then turns off.
<wpwrak>
that is, unless the battery is empty
<qwebirc26856>
When I charged the battery earlier today the red light stayed on.  It turns off now so I think the battery is good.  No luck with waiting 20 seconds with all power unplugged.
<wpwrak>
hmm, strange then. when you bring it up with USB, everything looks healthy ?
<qwebirc26856>
wpwrak:  Yep.  New os and all.
<wpwrak>
what exactly did you install ?
<qwebirc26856>
The latest openWrt image
<wpwrak>
hmm, haven't heard of any such issues with it. i didn't update things in my bens for a while.
<wpwrak>
maybe someone else knows ?
<qwebirc26856>
I will do another reflash, see what happens.  Thanks
<qwebirc26856>
wpwrak:  one of the spring wires connecting the battery was pushed back. Â
<qwebirc26856>
I brought it out and now the battery is charging.
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/plot: analyze console log and plot probability distribution (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/5ac8800
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/plot: corrected terminology and presentation of empirical cdf (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/ebc8a1e
<kristianpaul>
for jlime zrafa did a nice fronted for sox,in seconds !!
<kristianpaul>
but of course was all X and gtk? (in dont rember well)
<wpwrak>
he may have used SDL. he did quite a few things with it.
<kristianpaul>
yeah, looks nice
<viric>
wpwrak: wow, nice widgets. That's SDL? great
<viric>
do you run linux 3 in the nanonote?
<kristianpaul>
soon !
<viric>
ah :)
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: too fancy actually, i was thinking something more simmple
<kristianpaul>
some buttons and text boxes
<kristianpaul>
there is not much space in screen i think..
<Ayla>
try EFL
<kristianpaul>
ay,yes B_Lizzard mentioned that too i remnber. right?
<kristianpaul>
say/ah
<B_Lizzard>
What
<kristianpaul>
You think EFL rules for embeded?
<B_Lizzard>
Not yet, there's little keyboard accessibility thingie going on
<B_Lizzard>
Otherwise, I guess it is.
<B_Lizzard>
The grey stuff is GTK 1.2
<B_Lizzard>
Last release: 2001
<B_Lizzard>
AW YEAH
<kristianpaul>
hum,may be gtk will not be so slow for simple menus
<kristianpaul>
or agree with wpwrak and switch to X, (wich looks kinda mad to the date)
<B_Lizzard>
Muffinman uses X
<kristianpaul>
you have to remenber us that all time !!? ;)
<B_Lizzard>
MUFFINMAN IS BETTER
<B_Lizzard>
I AM RULE
<wpwrak>
all your base belong to us ?
<Ayla>
are belong*
<wpwrak>
ah, silly me
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/Makefile: one Makefile to rule them (scripts) all (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/e9bdf5f
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/collda: cycle of corruption is last good cycle + 1 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/71495fe
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/bscmp: show number of corruption as i/n instead of (n) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/a83a711
<kristianpaul>
did gtkperfm ran slow at old days?
<zrafa>
kristianpaul: when you talk about gtk you need to specify exactly which versoin of gtk
<kristianpaul>
yes sorry
<kristianpaul>
but i dont know
<viric>
have you seen the film Moebius? Does the Buenos Aires metro inspire all that as in the film? :)
<wpwrak>
maybe in a few centuries. they're extending the network very very slowly.
<viric>
:) ok
<zrafa>
kristianpaul: gtk1.. which blizzard talks is from 2001 last release
<zrafa>
kristianpaul: and it is really fast for embedded
<zrafa>
kristianpaul: but no gtk2.. IIRC gtk2 uses a lot float p calculations
<zrafa>
kristianpaul: and if you use it for our tiny embedded world you will kill yourself :)
<zrafa>
wpwrak: you there¡?
<zrafa>
wpwrak: I have news.. you would llike to read :)
<wpwrak>
tell me ! :)
<zrafa>
wpwrak: scope: noising model  n-220 oscilloscope
<wpwrak>
what does "noising model" mean ?
<zrafa>
Noising is the machine.
<zrafa>
is the name
<zrafa>
or mark
<wpwrak>
oh, i see
<wpwrak>
insteresting choice of name :)
<wpwrak>
seema that all google hits are about de-noising ...
<wpwrak>
is it really exactly "noising" ?
<zrafa>
wpwrak: yes :) .. and I can not find a picture using google images :P
<zrafa>
it is Noising model n-220 oscilloscope
<zrafa>
made in korea
<wpwrak>
can you take a picture ?
<zrafa>
yes, at home. Rodolfo lend me it so I will bring to home
<steve|m>
a scope which has "Noise" in its name.. nice ;)
<kristianpaul>
how many channels it have?
<kristianpaul>
he bring the probes as well?
<kristianpaul>
steve|m: ;)
<zrafa>
kristianpaul: I see ch A and ch B
<kristianpaul>
good
<kristianpaul>
do you recognice any computer-like port on it?
<wpwrak>
does it say something about the analog bandwidth somewhere ?
<wpwrak>
also, does it have a screen ? if yes, LCD or CRT ?
<kristianpaul>
does it turn on?
<zrafa>
wpwrak: I would say CRT
<wpwrak>
does it even work with electricity ? ;-)
<zrafa>
kristianpaul: yes
<kristianpaul>
noce
<wpwrak>
(crt) uh uh ... that's not very promising
<kristianpaul>
s/noce/nice
<zrafa>
you all envy me
<zrafa>
haha
<wpwrak>
220 may mean 2 channels, 20 MHz. these are quite common characteristics for analog scopes.
<wpwrak>
well, it'll let you see simple signal shapes. it won't help much with analyzing complex digital communications, though.
<kristianpaul>
zrafa: actually sebastien have an analog one too i had read
<zrafa>
wpwrak: I am not sure that I will understand complex digital communications
<zrafa>
wpwrak: so anyway, with a good scope or not I will need a real hand from hw people
<zrafa>
wpwrak: I meant "I am sure that I will not understand ... " :)
<wpwrak>
oh, you'll learn. usb is a very good topic for learning quite a lot :)
<zrafa>
wpwrak: we just test a simple version of blinkenlights turning on/off the pin 9 of PDDAT (CMD on ubb), with 50000 microseconds between setting/clearing and I saw the signal on scope :)
<wpwrak>
hehe :)
<wpwrak>
congratulations on your first real scope experience ! ;-)
<zrafa>
wpwrak: thanks, but all is from your work . I modified blinkenlights :)
<zrafa>
and rodolfo did the scope part haha
<DocScrutinizer>
classical scopes are useful for analog only
<DocScrutinizer>
where analog includes proper analog signal levels (and shapes, sometimes) on digital lnes
<DocScrutinizer>
lines
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer: yeah, you need a dark room and quick eyes to do much with them for non-repetitive signals
<wpwrak>
zrafa: (reused blinkenlights) so you put it to good use. very nice ! :)
<DocScrutinizer>
on a second thought, levels includes the aspects of shapes that can usefully get examined with a scope
<zrafa>
That front is very very similar and the back as well
<zrafa>
(you can see others pictures with "next" link)
<wpwrak>
rain ! in neuquen !?! :)
<zrafa>
wpwrak: in fact.. now I did zoom.. the front is almost exact to the "Noising oscilloscope"
<zrafa>
wpwrak: special day here :)
<zrafa>
wpwrak: if you do zoom with the CTRL+mouse whell you will read the labels on front. It is almost identical I would say
<zrafa>
yes. it is identical. I am sure now :). Now it seems that many have different names.. check the two screws where you put your label with the name of the machine :)
<wpwrak>
yeah, it's a basic analog scope. as we suspected.