<zrafa> kristianpaul: wpwrak : I will not show our cool scope and you will envy our tools because you will have the doub haha
<wpwrak> zrafa: ;-)
<DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: hey, every now and then I run again into "originally written by Werner Almesberger" when it comes to cmdline tools
<DocScrutinizer> I wonder if that means anything that it's usually in manpages that I rarely ever need - probably because the tool is so pretty intuitive to use :-)
<wpwrak> killall ? ;-)
<wpwrak> i can't quite claim the credit for the ease of use of the tools in psmisc - they all were inspired by SGI's IRIX
<wpwrak> there are some more in common use, but they're less intuitive and tend to be used somewhere in the bowels of the system. things like pivot_root.
<DocScrutinizer> OMG pivot_root :-D
<wpwrak> (-:C
<DocScrutinizer> >>Some of the more obscure uses of pivot_root() may quickly lead to insanity.<<
<DocScrutinizer> funny enugh I've read pivot_root manpage just yesterday
<wpwrak> hmm, i wonder if a had a hand in writing this man page ... don't quite remember :)
<wpwrak> well, not in the man page itself. i'm pretty sure about that. but the README things were copied from.
<DocScrutinizer> well, no Almesberger mentioned in pivot_root manpage, it's actually been killall that I referred to above
<wpwrak> heh, a popular choice :)
<qwebirc26856> Just got the nanonote today.  I booted it up, then reflashed, but now it will only turn on when plugged into the usb.  
<qwebirc26856> Is there something I am not aware of?  
<wpwrak> qwebirc26856: welcome to the club ! :) sounds like an empty or not properly connected battery
<wpwrak> maybe try removing USB and battery, wait ~20 seconds, then insert the battery again, then press the power button for a few seconds. that should do the trick.
<qwebirc26856> Each time I plug the usb cable in the light flashes red then turns off.
<wpwrak> that is, unless the battery is empty
<qwebirc26856> When I charged the battery earlier today the red light stayed on.  It turns off now so I think the battery is good.  No luck with waiting 20 seconds with all power unplugged.
<wpwrak> hmm, strange then. when you bring it up with USB, everything looks healthy ?
<qwebirc26856> wpwrak:  Yep.  New os and all.
<wpwrak> what exactly did you install ?
<qwebirc26856> The latest openWrt image
<wpwrak> hmm, haven't heard of any such issues with it. i didn't update things in my bens for a while.
<wpwrak> maybe someone else knows ?
<qwebirc26856> I will do another reflash, see what happens.  Thanks
<qwebirc26856> wpwrak:  one of the spring wires connecting the battery was pushed back.  
<qwebirc26856> I brought it out and now the battery is charging.
<qwebirc26856> Thanks for the suggestions.
<rejon_> heya, does nanonote support this project http://taskwarrior.org
<rejon_> hahaha
<rejon_> just had another thought about the nanonote and html5 apps
<rejon_> i only want to use the nanonote as an offline device
<rejon_> only CLI
<rejon_> those are the basics for a whole company
<rejon_> just implement a web service on top of all the commandline apps
<rejon_> from top to bottom
<rejon_> with the synchronization layer as the for pay service
<rejon_> nanonote is the embodiment of the strength of the service
<viric> kyak: I think your use of 'rss' is similar to my use of 'email' (regarding mailing lists) :)
<kristianpaul> rejon_: i do use my nanonote to browse static html pages elinks worsks decently
<kristianpaul> and veyr handy, you can have lots of manuals, and guides in less of 512Mb :-)
<rejon_> kristianpaul, great
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/plot: analyze console log and plot probability distribution (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/5ac8800
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/plot: corrected terminology and presentation of empirical cdf (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/ebc8a1e
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/plot: renamed to plot-cdf (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/ddd8338
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/bcmp: compare bitstreams and highlight differences (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/04e7d11
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/collda: report collateral damage in non-standby partitions (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/b012a1a
<wpwrak> zrafa: now, tell us about the dinosaur rodolfo dug out for you :)
<kristianpaul> I was thinking the time, we have lots of already command line apps ported to nanonote
<kristianpaul> but all still command, and seems SDL programing is hard to implement?
<kristianpaul> So what alternative we have for example to make this things esier
<kristianpaul> an example,sox
<wpwrak> a good start may be to use X ;-)
<kristianpaul> ahh !!
<kristianpaul> i was about to ask about sdl python bidings? or may be curses?
<wpwrak> SDL has quite some stuff, too. but it's a lot more obscure than the usual suspects for X.
<wpwrak> (obscure) in the sense of "unknown". not necessarily hard to understand
<kristianpaul> i mean not the BLUE curses, but something purple, green yellow may look at least different
<kristianpaul> but you dont need soem very very elaborate
<kristianpaul> for example sox, and script that generate two 3 buttons, record play stop
<kristianpaul> may be reverse/forward too
<kristianpaul> written in what? perl? python? with SDL.ncurses?
<wpwrak> i think SDL has some widget set
<wpwrak> fancy enough ? :)
<kristianpaul> for jlime zrafa did a nice fronted for sox,in seconds !!
<kristianpaul> but of course was all X and gtk? (in dont rember well)
<wpwrak> he may have used SDL. he did quite a few things with it.
<kristianpaul> yeah, looks nice
<viric> wpwrak: wow, nice widgets. That's SDL? great
<viric> do you run linux 3 in the nanonote?
<kristianpaul> soon !
<viric> ah :)
<kristianpaul> wpwrak: too fancy actually, i was thinking something more simmple
<kristianpaul> some buttons and text boxes
<kristianpaul> there is not much space in screen i think..
<Ayla> try EFL
<kristianpaul> ay,yes B_Lizzard mentioned that too i remnber. right?
<kristianpaul> say/ah
<B_Lizzard> What
<kristianpaul> You think EFL rules for embeded?
<B_Lizzard> Not yet, there's little keyboard accessibility thingie going on
<B_Lizzard> Otherwise, I guess it is.
<B_Lizzard> The grey stuff is GTK 1.2
<B_Lizzard> Last release: 2001
<B_Lizzard> AW YEAH
<kristianpaul> hum,may be gtk will not be so slow for simple menus
<kristianpaul> or agree with wpwrak and switch to X, (wich looks kinda mad to the date)
<B_Lizzard> Muffinman uses X
<kristianpaul> you have to remenber us that all time !!? ;)
<B_Lizzard> MUFFINMAN IS BETTER
<B_Lizzard> I AM RULE
<wpwrak> all your base belong to us ?
<Ayla> are belong*
<wpwrak> ah, silly me
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/Makefile: one Makefile to rule them (scripts) all (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/e9bdf5f
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/collda: cycle of corruption is last good cycle + 1 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/71495fe
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/bscmp: show number of corruption as i/n instead of (n) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/a83a711
<kristianpaul> did gtkperfm ran slow at old days?
<zrafa> kristianpaul: when you talk about gtk you need to specify exactly which versoin of gtk
<kristianpaul> yes sorry
<kristianpaul> but i dont know
<viric> have you seen the film Moebius? Does the Buenos Aires metro inspire all that as in the film? :)
<wpwrak> maybe in a few centuries. they're extending the network very very slowly.
<viric> :) ok
<zrafa> kristianpaul: gtk1.. which blizzard talks is from 2001 last release
<zrafa> kristianpaul: and it is really fast for embedded
<zrafa> kristianpaul: but no gtk2.. IIRC gtk2 uses a lot float p calculations
<zrafa> kristianpaul: and if you use it for our tiny embedded world you will kill yourself :)
<zrafa> wpwrak: you there¡?
<zrafa> wpwrak: I have news.. you would llike to read :)
<wpwrak> tell me ! :)
<zrafa> wpwrak: scope: noising model  n-220 oscilloscope
<wpwrak> what does "noising model" mean ?
<zrafa> Noising is the machine.
<zrafa> is the name
<zrafa> or mark
<wpwrak> oh, i see
<wpwrak> insteresting choice of name :)
<wpwrak> seema that all google hits are about de-noising ...
<wpwrak> is it really exactly "noising" ?
<zrafa> wpwrak: yes :) .. and I can not find a picture using google images :P
<zrafa> it is Noising model n-220 oscilloscope
<zrafa> made in korea
<wpwrak> can you take a picture ?
<zrafa> yes, at home. Rodolfo lend me it so I will bring to home
<steve|m> a scope which has "Noise" in its name.. nice ;)
<kristianpaul> how many channels it have?
<kristianpaul> he bring the probes as well?
<kristianpaul> steve|m: ;)
<zrafa> kristianpaul: I see ch A and ch B
<kristianpaul> good
<kristianpaul> do you recognice any computer-like port on it?
<wpwrak> does it say something about the analog bandwidth somewhere ?
<wpwrak> also, does it have a screen ? if yes, LCD or CRT ?
<kristianpaul> does it turn on?
<zrafa> wpwrak: I would say CRT
<wpwrak> does it even work with electricity ? ;-)
<zrafa> kristianpaul: yes
<kristianpaul> noce
<wpwrak> (crt) uh uh ... that's not very promising
<kristianpaul> s/noce/nice
<zrafa> you all envy me
<zrafa> haha
<wpwrak> 220 may mean 2 channels, 20 MHz. these are quite common characteristics for analog scopes.
<wpwrak> well, it'll let you see simple signal shapes. it won't help much with analyzing complex digital communications, though.
<kristianpaul> zrafa: actually sebastien have an analog one too i had read
<zrafa> wpwrak: I am not sure that I will understand complex digital communications
<zrafa> wpwrak: so anyway, with a good scope or not I will need a real hand from hw people
<zrafa> wpwrak: I meant "I am sure that I will not understand ... " :)
<wpwrak> oh, you'll learn. usb is a very good topic for learning quite a lot :)
<zrafa> wpwrak: we just test a simple version of blinkenlights turning on/off the pin 9 of PDDAT (CMD on ubb), with 50000 microseconds between setting/clearing and I saw the signal on scope :)
<wpwrak> hehe :)
<wpwrak> congratulations on your first real scope experience ! ;-)
<zrafa> wpwrak: thanks, but all is from your work . I modified blinkenlights :)
<zrafa> and rodolfo did the scope part haha
<DocScrutinizer> classical scopes are useful for analog only
<DocScrutinizer> where analog includes proper analog signal levels (and shapes, sometimes) on digital lnes
<DocScrutinizer> lines
<wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: yeah, you need a dark room and quick eyes to do much with them for non-repetitive signals
<wpwrak> zrafa: (reused blinkenlights) so you put it to good use. very nice ! :)
<DocScrutinizer> on a second thought, levels includes the aspects of shapes that can usefully get examined with a scope
<DocScrutinizer> though -> wiki eyepattern
<wpwrak> heh, don't get me started :)
<wpwrak> still need a to see a scope that can do this without costing as much as a decent car: http://people.openmoko.org/werner/rigol/eye-out-better.png
<wpwrak> (that was generated by scripts operating on a long recording of my DSO)
<DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: isn't averaging over 106 samples somewhat defeating the purpose of an eye pattern?
<wpwrak> it's not averaging. it's overlaying.
<DocScrutinizer> oooh
<viric> why is that called eye pattern?
<DocScrutinizer> see wiki
<DocScrutinizer> it "looks like two eyes"
<viric> There were no results matching the query.
<DocScrutinizer> esp with sine waves ;-)
<DocScrutinizer> err
<viric> hm.. I don't really see the eyes :)
<viric> ah I looked at the qi wiki
<viric> I'd never name the wikipedia 'wiki'
<viric> :)
<DocScrutinizer> fair point, sorry
<zrafa> wpwrak: I could not bring it to home. Rain here.. But I found some picture in internet of some scope very similar:
<zrafa> That front is very very similar and the back as well
<zrafa> (you can see others pictures with "next" link)
<wpwrak> rain ! in neuquen !?! :)
<zrafa> wpwrak: in fact.. now I did zoom.. the front is almost exact to the "Noising oscilloscope"
<zrafa> wpwrak: special day here :)
<zrafa> wpwrak: if you do zoom with the CTRL+mouse whell you will read the labels on front. It is almost identical I would say
<zrafa> yes. it is identical. I am sure now :). Now it seems that many have different names.. check the two screws where you put your label with the name of the machine :)
<wpwrak> yeah, it's a basic analog scope. as we suspected.
<wpwrak> (many names) heh ;-)
<kristianpaul> cute :-)