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<fiddlerwoaroof>
_death: I think that there's actually a "hangs forever" bug in my code
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<fiddlerwoaroof>
Although, it's interesting, because it may be mitigated by the way the COMM library handles socket closing
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<beach>
Good morning everyone!
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<coltkirk>
good morning
<beach>
Hello coltkirk.
<coltkirk>
since I've been working through CL for the past month or so and I use IRC all the time via emacs, figured this would be a nice place to park
<beach>
#lisp is a good place to hang out.
<coltkirk>
i rarely use freenode as some of the people can be intense and irritable, but the #lisp room seems like a good spot
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<beach>
Apparently, #lisp is one of the best IRC channels. We try to stay on topic, and there are people here that prevent truly unacceptable behavior.
<coltkirk>
cool, well i'm seriously studying lisp so I'm here to listen and learn
<beach>
Great! There is also #clschool for truly elementary questions. #lisp is more geared to discussions between a bit more experienced Lispers.
<beach>
But newbie questions are tolerated.
<beach>
If the newbie gets too annoying, he or she is directed to #clschool.
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<ajithmk>
Hey Guys,
<ajithmk>
How are vectors implemented in sbcl? Apart from the bookkeeping required for vectors on the top of arrays, I want to know if the main data ie elements themselves are stored as arrays.
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<ajithmk>
A vector constrained to hold single-floats, specifically.
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<Bike>
i'm not sure what you're asking. what do you mean "elements themselves are stored as arrays"?
<Bike>
a (simple-array single-float (*)) will probably be a header followed by single-floats with no indirection
<ajithmk>
I mean, are they stored contiguously in memory like c arrays?
<beach>
Yes.
<Bike>
on any implementation worth its salt, yes
<ajithmk>
In contrast to something like list
<beach>
Definitely not lists.
<Bike>
i'm pretty sure every implementation stores array data contiguously, though there might be more or less indirection depending on dimensionality, simplicity, etc
<ajithmk>
Ah cool. 👍
<beach>
ajithmk: What is the reason for your question?
<Bike>
if the array is not specialized, the data will be boxed, so there's more indirection there, but it's still random access
<ajithmk>
I have a file which contains something like 1000 floats. I parsed them and stored them in a list(by 'push'ing), naively. And then I realized that in C++ I used std:vector<float> to hold them. So I was wondering if list is inefficient and may be I can use a vector in lisp specialized on single-floats instead.
<beach>
It depends on how you want to access them later. And it depends on whether you know how many you have from the start.
<beach>
But that's just elementary algorithmic complexity.
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<beach>
Like if you grow a vector regularly, you need to copy your elements, so a list may be more efficient.
<beach>
But if you access the elements randomly, then a vector is better.
<ajithmk>
But that is the same problem with C++ vectors too. They have to resize anyway if we are pushing more elements than initial size.
<beach>
Sure.
<beach>
Though in Common Lisp you have adjustable arrays.
<beach>
So you can use something like VECTOR-PUSH-EXTEND which makes life easier.
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<ajithmk>
I just checked that extend push. Great. At this point those specialized adjustable vectors are almost the same as C++ vectors.
<beach>
Why do you care about C++?
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<ajithmk>
Haha. Actually I don't. I am porting a small application I have written earlier in C++ to CL and was thinking about the data structures along the way.
<beach>
I see.
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<phoe>
good morningggg
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<no-defun-allowed>
Hello phoe
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<beach>
Hey phoe.
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<Harag>
Morning
<Harag>
Is there anybody here that knows lparallel?
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<phoe>
kinda sorta yes, I guess
<phoe>
what's the question?
<Harag>
thanx phoe
<Harag>
I am trying to use lparallel:pdotimes but if you have a return-from
<Harag>
some where in the call "chain" and it gets called pdotimes crashes
<Harag>
with "Attempt to RETURN-FROM a block or GO to a tag that no longer
<Harag>
exists..."
<Harag>
eish sorry that paste went horribly wrong
<phoe>
paste the whole function somewhere
<phoe>
(just not here)
<phoe>
it seems that you are closing over a block or a tagbody and then transferring the closure to another thread
<Harag>
phoe the dotimes calls a function that calls a function that calls a function that has the return-from ... so not sure what to paste for you
<Harag>
hang on let me try to come up with a simple example that shows the behaviour
<phoe>
show me the code that calls RETURN-FROM
<phoe>
the error must be lexical in this case
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<Harag>
never mind phoe... your comment got me thinking and I found a another pdotimes in the chain it is most likely the issue
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<phoe>
:O
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<phoe>
DEFMETHOD works like that, too, except a method is added to an existing GF and the generated LAMBDA is a part of that method.
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<Harag>
scymtym: thanx will try that
<Harag>
thank you phoe
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<scymtym>
Harag: i hope it works
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<Harag>
scymtym: going to sit down take a deep breath and then mock up simpler examples and see what works and what does not then go back my actual code and see if I can apply what I hopefully learned
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<phoe>
aaaa
<phoe>
there is much drilling in my block of flats today
<beach>
Ouch!
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<phoe>
there will be little talk from me today in order to avoid broadcasting madness over the network
<beach>
Sure.
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<phoe>
OLM#8 is over, I'll send all the recording links as soon as I get them
<phoe>
thanks to everyone who participated!
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<Josh_2>
Has anyone used dexadors keep-alive functionality, where you provide a stream for it to keep sending requests
<Josh_2>
I am unsure if it is working correctly
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<Josh_2>
I do not think it is working (or I'm doing something wrong) firefox is maintaining It's connection just fine
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<pve>
Suppose I do (defclass foo () ((name :allocation :class :accessor name :initform nil))) and want to access to slot without making a new instance. Is there a recommended way to do this?
<pve>
(name (closer-mop:class-prototype (find-class 'foo))) seems to work
<Bike>
use the class-prototype function in yeah that.
<pve>
ok thanks
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<Josh_2>
is there a way I can get socket-accept to timeout?
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<flip214>
Josh_2: there's a macro WITH-TIMEOUT, perhaps that helps
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<Josh_2>
That should do
<Josh_2>
thanks flip214!
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<Josh_2>
Worked perfectly!
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<mathrick>
so what's up with sbcl.org? It's been down for a while it seems
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<mathrick>
is there any reason I'd be getting "bogus DEFPACKAGE option: :LOCAL-NICKNAMES" with SBCL 2.0.7? :PACKAGE-LOCAL-NICKNAMES is in *FEATURES*