<orly_owl>
rm: i assume your debian images boot on both of those
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<wens>
got my a31 hummingbird
<libv>
NDH!
<wens>
i've taken basic photos, trying to get a console or adb now
<libv>
start the page before anything else :)
<libv>
wtf.
<libv>
every new device page requires just as much or even more input from me than from the original reporter.
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<ccaione>
bbrezillon: ping
<rellla>
mnemoc: did i recall correctly from your yesterday's comments, that it is planned to make a linux-sunxi branch which include backported mainline kernel including sunxi stuff and the hacky sunxi rest from actual 3.4?
<wens>
it doesn't seem to like my dvi monitor (connected with a dvi-hdmi converter)
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<bbrezillon>
ccaione: hi
<ccaione>
bbrezillon: hi, I didn't follow closely the journey of my patches in the mainline
<ccaione>
so it's not very clear what Lee wants from me :)
<ccaione>
I thought that everything had already been mainlined
<bbrezillon>
ccaione: AFAICT, only the DT bindings doc are missing
<bbrezillon>
ccaione: I'm not sure wxho should take it, but I'd say it's for Lee
<bbrezillon>
ccaione: (or the doc tree ?)
<ccaione>
bbrezillon: no idea, so should I rebase the entire patch-set only for the DT binding?
<bbrezillon>
ccaione: just resend the patch providing documentation to Lee (I think it sould apply without any changes)
<bbrezillon>
ccaione: and check that other patches have been applied correctly
<ccaione>
ok, I need to find the time
<bbrezillon>
ccaione: resend the documentation for now, you'll check is anything else is missing later
<bbrezillon>
ccaione: at least, in the MFD subsystem, everything seems to be up to date
<ccaione>
bbrezillon: ok, tnx
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<wens>
otg seems broken :(
<Turl>
wens: on what?
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<wens>
Turl: my new A31 board
<mnemoc>
rellla: yes, that's the idea of sunxi-3.14. something mainlinish, but that can deprecate 3.4 sooner
<mnemoc>
rellla: mixing mripard's babelfish, mainline backports, crap forward ports, and extra glue
<rellla>
mnemoc: ok. sounds a bit complicated and heavier to maintain but may be reasonable to keep the gap between sunxi-3.4 and mainline as small as possible.
<mnemoc>
rellla: the first bit of glue is wrapping between the legacy functions to query script.bin and allwinner style pin muxing and of_ with the real pinmux drivers
<mnemoc>
rellla: that should make it less complicated to forward port some of the complex drivers in 3.4 and let normal people use a newer kernel
<libv>
how will this be achieved?
<libv>
.fex parsing, io control, etc...
<Turl>
wens: you mean like broken hw wise?
<libv>
all the weird globals that allwinner has introduced in their platform code?
<mnemoc>
libv: starting with the .fex to dtb in babelfish (between u-boot and linux) and then a driver providing the sys_config legacy API using pinmux and of_*() behind the scenes
<Turl>
libv: when you consider (ab)using the DT by considering a [section] == node and the properties as k=v stores it's not that far-fetched
<mnemoc>
for proper driver we need proper translation. but for the rest of the sections in .fex we can do a dumb 1:1 copying
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<Turl>
libv: hmm, M3 pictures look too good to be real pictures
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<Vanfanel>
hello! Is there a MALI blob for A20 wich does GLES2 and uses dma-buf??
<Vanfanel>
using ump is SLOW
<Turl>
I've never seen one
<Turl>
what's so slow about UMP though? UMP is just an allocator
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<Vanfanel>
Turl: I don't really know, but my cubie2 performs poorly in GLES2. It's almost as slow as the Rpi.
<Vanfanel>
so I got an Odroid U3, wich uses dma-buf, and it's way faster
<libv>
Vanfanel: for many many reasons beyond the way memory is handled.
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<libv>
Vanfanel: cpu power, memory bandwidth, mali composition, mali and cpu clocking
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<Turl>
Vanfanel: are you using fbturbo?
<Turl>
Vanfanel: also have you tried setting the cpu governor to performance?
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<Vanfanel>
Turl: Yes, cpu governor is set to performance. I'm not using fbturbo, but GLES2 on fbdev.
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<Turl>
also what libv is saying :p the ODROID is faster by design
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<Turl>
Vanfanel: try with fbturbo then
<Vanfanel>
Turl: can I use fbturbo to do non-X GLES2????
<Turl>
Vanfanel: you mentioned fbdev, I assumed you were using X
<Vanfanel>
Turl: I seem to remember fbturbo is an Xorg thing...
<Turl>
is that not the case?
<Vanfanel>
Ah, no, not at all. Non-x is a requeriment.
<Vanfanel>
I, well, MALI blobs r3px, can be configured to use fbdev directly
<Vanfanel>
that's what I'm using now
<Turl>
yeah, we have non-X blobs
<libv>
oh wow
<libv>
Vanfanel: how much does the exyons cost on the odroid-u3?
<Vanfanel>
libv: I don't know. Do you mean how much money??
<libv>
it's an exynos 4412 prime.
<Vanfanel>
I don't know about prices
<libv>
quad a9, capable of clocking to 2GHz, with a quad PP mali-400 capable of clocking to 800MHz
<libv>
and you're here complaining about the slowness of an allwinner A20, with a dual A7, and a dual PP mali-400 capable of clocking to 320MHz
<libv>
oh, and the dual A7 goes up to 1000MHz
<libv>
Vanfanel: get the picture now?
<Vanfanel>
libv: yes, you where referring to the features. I know there's a HUGE difference :P
<libv>
then why the fuck are you whining about one being much faster than the other?
<Vanfanel>
libv: but I also know that there must be a way to get a little bit more of performance from the cubie2
<libv>
really?
<libv>
how do you know this?
<libv>
and why do i not know about this?
<libv>
i only spent years REing malis
<libv>
what have you been doing that makes you know these things that i do not know?
<Vanfanel>
libv: it's very simple, but MAY be stupid from my part. mdrjr told me that the reason U3 is SO much faster now than it was 4 months ago in GLES2 is that they're using dma-buf now, wich is supposed to be faster in drawing to screen. So I wondered if the same thing could be archieved with the cubie2.. that's all.
<libv>
mdrjr talks out of his ass
* Turl
grabs popcorn
<libv>
wake me up when he stops dropping my commit messages and author tags from my commits to his code
<libv>
he couldn't even figure out why his framebuffer code was unwilling to go to 32bpp
<Vanfanel>
libv: sorry, I didn't mean to start a flame or annoy you. I admire your work on LIMA a LOT. In fact, I'm using the MALI blobs because I can't use LIMA for what I'm trying to do.
<libv>
mdrjr is barking up the wrong tree with dma-buf.
<libv>
the display engine code probably got redone now for exynos 4
<libv>
and probably now properly syncs up with the mali blobs through dma-buf
<libv>
removing the need for a copy
<libv>
dma-buf is not the reason
<libv>
it cannot be
<libv>
proper integration is the reason
<libv>
so mdrjr talks out his ass, again
<libv>
fbturbo tries to do that for us too, but it requires intimate knowledge of the display engine and the display engine driver
<libv>
Vanfanel: plus...
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<libv>
Vanfanel: the fact that mdrjr made some vaguely related statement as to why things are supposedly faster on exynos today compared to several months ago
<libv>
that does not mean that you know that the same is possible for allwinner hw
<libv>
now does it?
<Vanfanel>
no, of course, libv. That's why I was asking.. just asking.. :D
<Vanfanel>
If I knew, I wouldn't ask, you know
<libv>
use fbturbo, it gets decent performance
<libv>
on allwinner
<Vanfanel>
better than MALI blobs on fbdev?
<Wizzup>
I think the mali blob may work on fbturbo?
<wens>
Turl: no response, but i'll try again later
<libv>
of course the mali blobs work on fbturbo
<libv>
fbturbo is an xf86 driver
<libv>
meant to better integrate the mali blobs and the sunxi disp engine
<Vanfanel>
libv: so Xorg is needed for fbturbo?
<Vanfanel>
sorry, I'm just a GLES2 monkey :P
<libv>
i am going to refrain from typing what i just thought.
<Vanfanel>
oh, god... what did I say? I ask in an humble mood, libv
<Vanfanel>
I'm not even a native english speaker, that's why you may find my english strange
<libv>
xf86-video-fbturbo is a driver for what?
<mnemoc>
video!
<libv>
the kernel, directfb, pixman, windows?
<Turl>
windows for sure!
<Vanfanel>
libv: Xorg?
<Wizzup>
Vanfanel: you need X11/Xorg to use fbturbo.
<Wizzup>
Rather, it is simply a driver for X11
<Wizzup>
And it allows you to use the mali blobs, and it provides a faster experience than fbdev
<Wizzup>
It's based on fbdev but has optimisations
<Wizzup>
-basically-
<Vanfanel>
< Turl> yeah, we have non-X blobs <-- what does this mean then?
<libv>
Vanfanel: that's fbdev directly
<libv>
not xf86-video-fbdev, an Xorg driver that uses fbdev
<Turl>
Vanfanel: it means that there's two blobs, one for when you use "raw framebuffer" and one for using inside X
<Turl>
(and there's the android one, so make it three blobs)
<mnemoc>
and wayland? :(
<Turl>
waywhat?
<libv>
Vanfanel: why don't you just stick with exynos?
<Wizzup>
waywho?
<libv>
Vanfanel: and ask for help in #odroid
<libv>
mdrjr will be much happier to try to help you than i am
<Vanfanel>
libv: because we acquired three Cubie2 boards and I'd like to use them
<libv>
ebay
<Vanfanel>
libv: ok, what about LIMA on the U3? Is it able to work without MALI blobs by now?
<Wizzup>
Vanfanel: lima is in development and not in a usable state
<Vanfanel>
if I remember right, it needed MALI for shader compilation
<Wizzup>
just use mali if you need 3d accel now
<Vanfanel>
Wizzup: I know, but I used it months ago and it worked well for what I did
<Vanfanel>
Wizzup: there's even an awesome LIMA backend for RetroArch :D
<Wizzup>
well, I'm telling you the other approach is not ready
<ssvb>
Vanfanel: GLES2 with the framebuffer mali drivers does not even use UMP :) how can you blame it for slowness?
<libv>
ssvb: don't try logic, it doesn't stick
<Vanfanel>
ssvb: it asked for libump!
<Vanfanel>
ok, ok, sorry guys
<libv>
Vanfanel: bs.
<libv>
unless i really f-ed up the build system
<libv>
Turl: yeah, those m3 pics are from the web.
<libv>
wens: nice pics btw
<Wizzup>
Are there any resources for people who want to hack away a bit on the lima driver?
<Wizzup>
I'm just wondering because I probably havce more mali devices than fingers by now
<libv>
not really, i still need to clean up my fosdem code
<Wizzup>
alright
<libv>
and now i get to paste in bits of the device page example into the mele m3 page for the third time today.
<wens>
libv: thanks, seems my smartphone is better at taking closeups than my dslr
<mnemoc>
libv: I'll do it this weekend
<mnemoc>
I need to $work$ on my mele m3 anyway... to turn it into a kiosk and an SD installer
<arete74>
hi, howto create an device tree plugins for change the pinmux function to an pin?
<mnemoc>
also need to finish the u-boot stuff to boot from the emmc
<Turl>
wens: another AP6210 there, cool
<Turl>
arete74: have a look at existing device trees, there is many examples there
<Turl>
especially on the dtsi
<arete74>
i try to use w1-gpio on mainline
<libv>
mnemoc: someone with an extra chromosome is already doing it
<mnemoc>
libv: ow
<libv>
which is why i just got to delete pictures, and i now get to paste device page example bits in for the second time today
<Turl>
libv: let mnemoc paste them :)
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<theOzzieRat>
has anyone got an 'accurate' 3d model of the cubieboard?
<joga>
not sure if http://cubieboard.org/download/ at "2. Hardware Documents" the board dimensions dwg file is what you want..
<joga>
probably not
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<Turl>
theOzzieRat: I think buZz had one, check thingyverse or one of those sites
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<mnemoc>
Turl: I can't paste them today...
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<libcg>
hey, would a vanilla 3.15 kernel run on an oLinuXino A20?
<libcg>
or is there anything more recent than sunxi-3.4?
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<mnemoc>
they should add a module to report trolls and spam bots.... and automatically deal with them
<Vanfanel>
do you guys know why check_lib is always failing in cubieez?
<Vanfanel>
it can't even detect libEGL which is installed and working
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<Turl>
mnemoc: at least now you can have unified ban lists :p
<Turl>
mnemoc: and you could have a special channel where you'd ban all those and you could 'subscribe' to that using this
<Turl>
quite powerful feature when you think about it :p
<mnemoc>
but only one
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<Turl>
mnemoc: only one what?
<mnemoc>
channel to subscribe
<Turl>
mnemoc: why?
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<mnemoc>
try to set two $j here
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<mnemoc>
and try adding #olimex now for example
<Turl>
so? :)
<mnemoc>
uh
<mnemoc>
nah, leave them :p
<Turl>
mnemoc: make sure you use real channels, invented ones don't stick
<mnemoc>
you are @, not me :p
<mnemoc>
go ahead
<Turl>
:p
<mnemoc>
doh
<Turl>
there's some poor rogers cablemodem on our ban list
<Turl>
mnemoc: #cubieboard bans like all jazztel.es :p
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<mnemoc>
ow
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<oliv3r>
Turl: the troubleshooting bit you mentioned is the video output bit. so that combined with some common mistakes when writing ssd images, that leaves me with 2 common things. I'll add a power thing, making it 3
<oliv3r>
did you guys all get M3's from mele btw? or something?
<Turl>
oliv3r: not afaik
<Turl>
oliv3r: at least I didn't :P
<mnemoc>
oliv3r: random shop from aliexpress
<oliv3r>
ah, how much does an m3 go for these days
<oliv3r>
i like to get one for when we ever get lima + cederus + xbmc going
<oliv3r>
what else happens often/commonly we troubleshoot on a regular basis?
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<Turl>
oliv3r: bad power, esp with hungry peripherals like disks
<oliv3r>
check :D
<oliv3r>
i even said so above :p
<oliv3r>
Turl: it feels that not much has been done in my absense, is my feeling wrong?
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<Turl>
oliv3r: we haven't had many 'breakthroughs' lately
<oliv3r>
cederus dev seems to have been 'stuck' too it seems?
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<oliv3r>
Turl: tomorrow i will have to do a lot of wifi research for the lime, what wifi chip would you recommend, especially considering we're going with USB
<oliv3r>
i'm guessing anything atheros is good (we do need AP mode)
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<oliv3r>
potentially backporting something to 3.4 shouldn't been horrible either
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<Turl>
oliv3r: no idea, but ath tends to be good in my experience :p
<Turl>
ccaione: are you around?
<oliv3r>
agreed
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<mnemoc>
I got an amd vision minipc for my daughters with ath9k wifi... and it stays at NO-LINK in ubuntu 14.04 :(
<mnemoc>
all my trust in ath died
<oliv3r>
Turl: omg i just installed android 4.4.2 and on the view contrbutors page you are obviously there!
<oliv3r>
because 1 little bitty issue? :(
<oliv3r>
get the firmware!
<Turl>
oliv3r: o.o
<Turl>
oliv3r: stock?
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<oliv3r>
cyanogenmod of course
<oliv3r>
but your name is pretty big
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