#linux-sunxi on 2014-06-17 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2014-05-01 13:53 mnemoc changed the topic of #linux-sunxi to: Allwinner/sunxi development discussion - did you try looking at our wiki? https://linux-sunxi.org - Don't ask to ask. Just ask and wait! - https://github.com/linux-sunxi/ - Logs at http://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-sunxi

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01:34 <wens> oliv3r: how bout getting a good sensor and tieing it to CSI1? spec sheets says it can do 1080p?

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04:31 <libv> mnemoc: there still is no wiki page for the mele m3.

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04:43 <oliv3r> wens: thats what we are going to try next, but that takes time (breakoutboard etc)

04:45 <wens> oliv3r: yeah I know, I've been trying to find a sensor which doesn't use ribbons

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05:07 <maksimlin> howdy i want to try my hand at some dev work on the new A31 and I spotted the hummingbird board - would anyone be able to recommend a seller on aliexpress that they have got one of these from ?

05:07 <libv> mnemoc: it really does seem that only newbies are supposed to document their hardware.

05:08 <libv> everyone else is too good for that.

05:10 <maksimlin> sorry maybe I should have first asked - has anyone used the a31 based hummingbird board?

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05:44 <libv> and popolon isn't online.

05:44 <libv> just for the fucking record.

05:45 <libv> he will be crying again afterwards

05:45 <libv> and he wasn't even hear to me give praise for the images category, which is a good thing.

05:46 <libv> s/hear/here/

05:47 * plaes hides..

05:48 <libv> well, adding a category nand, and then throwing half the wiki in category software

05:48 <libv> that's not helping anyone.

05:49 <libv> pretty much everything on the wiki could live under "software"

05:49 <plaes> indeed

05:49 <libv> same with nand, any page that has the word nand in it is stuffed under the category nand.

05:50 <libv> why not just use the search button?

05:50 <libv> a category images is a good idea though

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05:50 <libv> but it remains to be seen what is categorized under it.

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06:03 <wens> mmc now works on A23, though GPIO interrupts don't work yet :(

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06:08 <plaes> good work!

06:12 <wens> nah, I just enabled the driver

06:12 <wens> praise should go to the ones that actually made the driver :)

06:13 <plaes> :D

06:13 * plaes praises the guys who work on getting this stuff mainlined...

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06:56 <libv> heh, so popolon failed to catch the a10/a20 nand partitioning difference himself...

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07:08 <libv> and great. popolon just went on with fucking up the wiki regardless.

07:09 <libv> didn't i state that i'd block him if he did so?

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07:24 <libv> he just kept on creating categories which would encompass 2/3rds of the wiki.

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07:51 <arokux> hi guys, how is it going? some cool news? i.e. did allwinner embrace sunxi? :)

07:54 <libv> arokux: seems like my prediction about them joining linaro was right on the money

07:54 <arokux> does it mean some concrete support in the form of docs etc?

07:55 <libv> no, they now ticked their "open source" box by joining linaro, and cannot really be bothered with us anymore.

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07:56 <arokux> ah

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08:43 <mnemoc> libv: I got the pictures already... but I've been awfully busy these days. will make both pages this weekend.

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09:56 <arokux> I'll test all the goodies you guys did in the last months :)

10:01 <mnemoc> arokux: would you mind also testing the sunxi-3.14 experimental branch? :p

10:02 <mnemoc> it should be in sync with 3.15 sunxi wise

10:02 <arokux> what's that?

10:02 <mnemoc> an stable mainline-ish branch

10:03 <arokux> so mainline + sunxi specific bug fixes that are not yet mainlined?

10:03 <mnemoc> currently 3.14.x + sunxi specific features added to 3.15

10:04 <mnemoc> but it's intended to get sunxi-devel stuff and forward ports of crap drivers too

10:05 <mnemoc> last night I was strugling to get ccaione stuff in torvalds/master backported :p

10:05 <mnemoc> hope to finish that today.

10:06 <plaes> where do you backport it?

10:07 <mnemoc> the backport of the sunxi stuff between v3.15 and master is still on my local working tree

10:07 <mnemoc> need to figure out the dependencies

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10:08 <mnemoc> but up-to-v3.15 lives in https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/tree/experimental/sunxi-3.14

10:08 <mnemoc> need to merge v3.14.7 too

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11:17 <lauri> Hi guys, going to spam here again aswell. I added some screenshots of soc-config in action: https://github.com/v6sa/soc-config/

11:19 <Turl> lauri: how feature complete is it?

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11:21 <lauri> I need to patch up some things but I think iwithin few days of work I think it's pretty usable for Debian :)

11:21 <lauri> I just got gigabit switch so I could finally hook up all the devices I had :)

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11:23 <Turl> nice

11:23 <Turl> lauri: let me know when it's working and I'll tweet it on @sunxinews

11:24 <lauri> coolio :)

11:24 <lauri> going to get some screenshots how it looks on UART aswell

11:25 <Turl> ah, those weren't of the UART version?

11:25 <lauri> over UART I want to disable fancy UI

11:25 <lauri> these screenshots were via SSH

11:26 <Turl> what's "fancy"? the coloring? :p

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11:31 <Turl> I need to go, but I'll be back later

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12:46 <lauri> Turl: yeah colors mess up the view if you're connected with cutecom or some other terminal app and usually the remote machine don't know what $TERM value to use..

12:47 <lauri> Turl: So the safest approach is to turn off bells and whistles if user is connected via /dev/ttyS* etc.

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12:53 <nedko> lauri: you can just tell it the right TERM...

12:57 <lauri> that doesn't change the trouble faced when connected via cutecom

12:58 <nedko> lauri: what about using xterm...

12:58 <lauri> the point was making it as useful and hasslefree as possible..

12:59 * nedko wants a getty program that can send SIGWINCH

12:59 <nedko> (for use over serial cable)

12:59 <nedko> and preferably a way to set TERM

12:59 <lauri> what apps are you guys using to connect via UART?

12:59 <nedko> automagically

13:00 <plaes> minicom

13:00 <nedko> i use cu that i ported from openbsd to linux

13:00 <nedko> and minicom sometimes

13:00 <lauri> I've used picocom, it more or less handles ANSI color codes

13:01 <nedko> xterm handles 256 colors

13:01 <lauri> I am afraid it's impossible to set TERM variable automagically because you never know where you're connecting to

13:01 <lauri> lucky if you get connected to shell

13:01 <wens> picocom

13:01 <lauri> otherwise there might be some application running already..

13:02 <lauri> of course adding some heuristics would be fancy

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13:02 <nedko> lauri: what if all bytes in the stream pass through a getty program? it knows whether you are logged in or not

13:02 <nedko> and can negotiate via escape sequences

13:02 <lauri> well yes, but that assumes modifications on the getty side aswell

13:03 <lauri> I assume

13:03 <nedko> yes

13:03 <lauri> that would be interesting patch though :)

13:03 <nedko> or finding smart getty that already exists

13:03 <nedko> hopefully

13:03 <lauri> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/gutsy/man8/mgetty.8.html ?

13:03 <lauri> never mind, that's not the one

13:04 <lauri> but that doesn't change much, practial solution for me right now is to detect whether we sit on serial and if we are then switch off all bells and whistles :)

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13:07 <lauri> lemme get the pip package prepared

13:21 <lauri> crap, any suggestions for the repo/package name? Python package can't include dashes, they're interpreted as minus operators.. :P

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13:24 <lauri> brdconfig, brdconf, brdcfg, boardsetup?

13:25 <plaes> socscratch

13:25 <plaes> socbox?

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13:25 <lauri> socscratch? :D

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13:27 <lauri> I also started working on a universal SoC image generator, that is obviously magnitude more complex than soc-config but I haven't figured out yet whether I should keep them in the same repo or not

13:28 <lauri> having them in same repo has obvious benefit of being able to config FEX/uEnv etc before they get merged to the image

13:28 <lauri> using the same menuing system

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13:29 <lauri> and I want to make it fast, like really-really fast, using aufs and other tricks ;)

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13:35 <lauri> plaes: sociopath starts with soc :D

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13:50 <oliv3r> mnemoc: heh, tsvetsan was just bragging a little (after me asking) that they've sold 3.3 mil lime's allready, compared to the 3 rpi's :)

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13:50 <wens> wow

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13:51 <ssvb> oliv3r: where are all these happy lime users lurking?

13:51 <plaes> wow, indeed

13:52 <oliv3r> i dunno, i was thinking the same, everywhere you go you read pi pi pi

13:52 <oliv3r> well maybe he got a big company buying these in bulk for a producT?

13:52 <lukas2511> i don't understand. how comes that the lime is so well sold, but there is basically no visible community around it.. just people using it in products? olimex forum basically only looks like people asking about hardware problems...

13:54 <ssvb> but yeah, it's pretty impressive if it was not a joke

13:54 <ssvb> or something like multiplying the current per-month lime demand with the whole rpi life span (to get an estimation of how would it sell in rpi's place)

13:54 <oliv3r> lukas2511: the product works well? companies buying them? people find support here?

13:54 <oliv3r> ssvb: fair point :p

13:55 <oliv3r> ssvb: but if he got 1 client, buying 10k per month, that's still only 100k per year

13:55 <oliv3r> amazing still

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13:56 <wens> wish my a23 tablet had rtl8188 wifi instead of this expressif nonsense

13:56 <lukas2511> oliv3r: yea mh.. i only see people asking about hardware problems.. i think i didn't see one single project (that wasn't a media center) using this board...

14:00 <wens> mripard: I have mmc working on my a23 tablet, do you think I should squash the related patches into my a23 series?

14:02 <wens> oliv3r: I take it you've still no word on your tablet?

14:03 <oliv3r> lol not received yet

14:03 <oliv3r> i did mail eva again, and she owuld look into it

14:09 <wens> hope you get it soon

14:10 <mripard> wens: no.

14:10 <mripard> wens: the shorter is the serie, the easiest it is to get merged

14:11 <mripard> if you keep adding suff

14:11 <mripard> we'll keep adding reviews

14:11 <mripard> and we'll go nowhere

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14:13 <wens> no problem, i'll submit them after this series has been merged

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14:15 <wens> v2 of the series is ready, just a question about the pinctrl Kconfig options, please see the mail i sent

14:18 <mripard> just replied

14:21 <wens> ah good

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14:26 <wens> still it's a whole lot of changes

14:28 <mripard> that's why I told you to submith them as early as possible.

14:31 <mnemoc> oliv3r: seriously that many?!

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14:50 <oliv3r> his words not mine :p

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18:01 <iw2lsi_> I'm working on a10-lime... and for what I can see, it works fine... we are using qt with some modules on uext-bus and we are happy so far :D

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18:31 <astr> oliv3r: I can't find the olimex and R-T discussions http://irclog.whitequark.org/arm-netbook/search?q=olimex

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18:38 <oliv3r> astr: it may have happened in /w :p

18:38 <oliv3r> astr: or in #olimex :( or even here!

18:38 <oliv3r> i don't remember, it's been 1 - 2 years! :(

18:38 <astr> /w ?

18:39 <oliv3r> /msg

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18:48 <libv> oliv3r: are you still getting feedback from eva?

18:49 <libv> as in, recently?

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19:36 <oliv3r> libv: negatory

19:36 <oliv3r> libv: nothing for a few weeks/months. She did reply that she'd check into what happened to the tablet

19:37 <oliv3r> libv: but in a few months I can show her our product using allwinner based hardware, so hopefully then they'll be more friendly

19:37 <oliv3r> :)

19:37 <libv> oliv3r: it seems that eva was a lot more cooperative before allwinner joined linaro

19:37 <libv> or am i reading too much into this?

19:38 <oliv3r> more cooperative?

19:38 <oliv3r> I haven't heard a thing anymore :(

19:38 <oliv3r> but if she does more with other community-members, that's great!

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19:40 <libv> well, my prediction was that allwinner would assume the "open source" box ticked by joining linaro

19:40 <libv> and then would drop all other efforts

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19:52 <oliv3r> it looks like your prediction is comming through

19:52 <oliv3r> :p

19:52 <oliv3r> but as soon as I can release more information about our next product, I will push again

19:52 <oliv3r> Just am very busy to get things going atm

19:53 <mnemoc> libv: PR-driven wars need to be attacked through PR. hall of shame and list of pending GPL violations

19:53 <oliv3r> gotta find a reasonable USB module tomorrow or the day after

19:53 <oliv3r> mnemoc: do they really violate anything still?

19:53 <oliv3r> besides a23 bootloader

19:54 <mnemoc> oliv3r: libv has a list of problems with the A23 SDK

19:54 <mnemoc> and obviusly, cedarx.

19:54 <mnemoc> which blob is ffmpeg-based

19:55 <libv> mnemoc: ah, true, that gpl violations page is still todo

19:56 <oliv3r> ah good point, gpl violations

19:58 <oliv3r> mnemoc: my mind is still kinda stuck on a10/a20 days :(

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20:00 <mnemoc> the cedarx gpl violation has been there since day one

20:01 <oliv3r> yeah, but the REing goes so well!

20:01 <mnemoc> and it's not something that can be solved by making a new cedarx lib not using ffmpeg. they must release the actual code used to generate the binaries they distributed

20:01 <oliv3r> so i 'forget' that

20:01 <oliv3r> any news surrounding cedarX?

20:01 <mnemoc> it would go better having cedarx sources ;-)

20:02 <oliv3r> i'll work on that :)

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20:02 <oliv3r> I have given up on lkcl getting anything done, as I haven't heard anything from that end being done

20:02 <oliv3r> Then again, they did mention to get boot0/1 code for sun6i with ram init that nobody knew they had (may be they didn't know either)

20:02 <libv> oliv3r: lkcl has bigger things to worry about

20:03 <libv> ... with how the whole makeplaylive thing backfired

20:04 <oliv3r> libv: lol yeah we discussed that just last night

20:04 <oliv3r> libv: if improv would have been done 3 months ago

20:05 * mnemoc asked for refund yesterday

20:07 <oliv3r> libv: and their pricing would have been in the Lime ballpark, we would have seriously conciderd them for our product

20:08 <oliv3r> I think they where hopeing for 2k sales? we would have gotten them that every few months :S

20:08 <mnemoc> oh, a23 mainlining got a post in phoronix :D

20:09 <oliv3r> awesome

20:09 <oliv3r> what's the meaining of the word 'mux'? (in pinmuxing)

20:10 <mnemoc> multiplexing

20:10 <mnemoc> in this case many features in the same pin and selecting which is active

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20:14 <oliv3r> i mean the abbreviation :p

20:14 <oliv3r> and MUltipleX

20:14 <oliv3r> ah*

20:14 <oliv3r> got ya

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20:36 <oliv3r> ok, while nobody is here right now, i'll dropt he question anyway

20:37 <oliv3r> last minute, it was decided to add a fourth appendix, 'troubleshooting' any pointers what should go in there? I figure the obvious one is display output methology, e.g. i have no image, what should I do

20:37 <oliv3r> anything else that is a common troubleshooting/pitfall thing?

20:37 <mnemoc> nothing on the display :p

20:38 <oliv3r> I unfortunatly have to admit, I haven't been around a lot lately, so my memory is all ereased :p

20:38 <oliv3r> mnemoc: image/display!~

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20:51 <libv> oliv3r: the toughest one is getting the thing to run at all, so work on troubleshooting the sd-card set-up first

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20:53 <oliv3r> libv: well we did a section on how to create one etc, but what can go wrong with the SD card setup, if the instructions are followed to the letter

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20:54 <libv> oliv3r: to the letter is not what tends to happen

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