<popolon>
if you want quadcore, you could try then RK3188 or better RK3288
<popolon>
they both use Mali, there is a nice mali binary driver for linux
<popolon>
at least that works
<popolon>
and accelerate a little
<popolon>
after that, there is G2D engine for 2D operation on allwinner chips, that is already well managed on A10/A20
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<popolon>
but don't know how compiz use it
<popolon>
compize is not really needed for office /coding work
<ZetaNeta>
popolon, I am just asking if A20 is already quite strong, or i should go and get a A31.
<ZetaNeta>
I am planning to use it as a "second screen PC"
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<popolon>
as I said to you, depend what you do
<popolon>
that's not a so simple question
<popolon>
I give you all the elements
<ZetaNeta>
I do have experience with A10... quite much. Lets count them in A10-powers :D
<popolon>
a20 is about the same than A10 depending of cases, consume less power, but a little bit more powerfull
<popolon>
not really much, really depend on your application again
<popolon>
A 80 has a really more strong CPU part, but uses PowerVR too
<popolon>
so you will have the same problem than with texas instrument or some other ARM SoCs on X11
<ZetaNeta>
As a old VESA user, i dont really care :)
<popolon>
You asked about compiz...
<ZetaNeta>
Well... all those are not really required
<ZetaNeta>
Well... i guess i have to go now.
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<popolon>
good night
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<wens>
Turl: yay!
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<wens>
3.16-rc1 tagged
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<Turl>
wens: what are we celebrating? :p
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<wens>
for one, the rest of the clk patches made it into rc1
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<Turl>
:)
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<Turl>
good night
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<arokux2>
hi guys, how is it going?
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<afaerber>
hi, is anyone else seeing memory corruption issues (kernel stacktraces) with sunxi-3.4 on Cubietruck? (manually built sun7i_defconfig+CONFIG_FHANDLE=y using gcc 4.8)
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<Turl>
if you just need KHz, can't you use the normal infrastructure?
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<CaptHindsight>
Turl: it's synchronized pulses/Steps (motion) as well, you set up a timer, say 25uS, and then in software decide which motors should get another Step/pulse
<CaptHindsight>
in each 25uS period
<CaptHindsight>
we already do this in hardware using an FPGA but I'm just wondering about the possible performance on the A10/20 of using software stepping
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<Turl>
CaptHindsight: can't you use a dedicated stepper motor controller for that?
<CaptHindsight>
Turl: yes we already do
<CaptHindsight>
this is just an "I wonder" thing to see about doing it all on the A10/20 without extra hardware
<CaptHindsight>
besides glue and buffers/drivers etc
<CaptHindsight>
minus the FPGA
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<mnemoc>
just received the humming bird kit (a31)... it's BIG
<mnemoc>
like 3 cubieboards together
* mnemoc
hides before libv asks for a wiki page for it
* mnemoc
looks for his camera
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<FR^3>
mnemoc: Pics or it didn't happen ;)
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<mnemoc>
light is too bad. but I'll upload what I got. 1m
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<Turl>
plaes: CB1/2 are also soldered "to the wrong side"
<plaes>
wonder if these are based on Olimex's boards ^^
<Turl>
mnemoc: I wonder if that's an msata slot or a "minipcie" one with just usb
<mnemoc>
just usb afaik
<Turl>
mnemoc: 1G ram? :p weak sauce
<Turl>
mnemoc: are you going to work on sun6i support? :)
<mnemoc>
I want to be able to test sunxi-3.14 in a31 too
<mnemoc>
at least the basic stuff
<Turl>
mnemoc: getting a full uboot working would be cool :)
<Turl>
mnemoc: is it ~4x the area of cubietruck?
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<oliv3r>
lo
<oliv3r>
:)
<mnemoc>
Turl: like 2x the CT
<mnemoc>
hi oliv3r
<astr>
Is it possible to enable all display outputs (composite(tv), vga, hdmi, lcd) on a10/a20? so without rebooting nor restarting Xorg, one can switch between display outputs. example: lcd and composite, lcd and hdmi, lcd and vga, composite and hdmi, etc
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<astr>
switch instantly
<Turl>
hey oliv3r :)
<Turl>
oliv3r: how's that last piece of the book coming along? :)
<Turl>
astr: there's a tool to do that someone wrote
<astr>
This what I'm getting instead of a marsboard
<mnemoc>
astr: this community is an spin-off of arm-netbook
<mnemoc>
astr: we do know it
<oliv3r>
Turl: LOL
<astr>
I know it's related, didn't know it was a spin off
<Turl>
didn't eoma get back to square 1 after all the flames with the makeplaylive people and stuff?
<astr>
but someone complaned about thte marsboard 1gb ram so I mention a alt that had 2gb ram now
<oliv3r>
eoma-68k is kinda dead in the water though isn't it
<astr>
Turl: square one...? as in luke is depending on him self instead of others : re orders
<oliv3r>
with improv failing hard
<oliv3r>
too bad
<astr>
improv is dead but not eoma-68
<mnemoc>
I still waiting for my improv...
<oliv3r>
if improv + eoma would have been available for 40E we probably had used it for our project
<Turl>
astr: as in no actual hardware shipping yet
<astr>
eoma-68 a20 card that is
<oliv3r>
mnemoc: never gonna happen :p
<mnemoc>
:(
<Turl>
does vaporware qualify for hw as well? :p
<astr>
Turl: cus not enough preorders = money = !money! = components = production rolling off = shipping = happy me
<Turl>
they should put some money of their own or do a kickstarter/indiegogo/actual preorders via some other method
<mnemoc>
we've been hearing that store way too long. it took tom 2 months and the savings of a just-graduated chinese engineer to get the cubieboard1 out
<Turl>
pledging to buy on a wiki is not going to get you much further
<mnemoc>
s/store/story/
<astr>
that what MPL was doing, a preorder interface that wasn't editing the wiki
<oliv3r>
funny how lime is OSHW, awesome and cheap
<oliv3r>
if the lime can perform, we may use it in two products
<astr>
kickstarter has been a huge pain. they don't get it, the fools don't think it's creative enough!!!
<oliv3r>
but i'm having my doubts as of late
<oliv3r>
what's our average memory bandwith on a bad Lime?
<astr>
I'm thinking of getting a lime
<oliv3r>
the lime is a beauty
<Turl>
oliv3r: remember that just 512M
<Turl>
I dunno what your products are
<astr>
but only good for enfusats not most of the worlds population
<astr>
I know which is why I was hopping the a20 lime would have more
<Turl>
astr: it's not like eoma is anywhere near for non enthusiasts either :p
<mnemoc>
astr: the lime is a r-pi *price* competitor. it can't afford more ram
<astr>
Turl: not yet.
<Turl>
for more ram you can get a real olinuxino :)
<Turl>
also oshw
<astr>
and there lies the problem with the lime
<oliv3r>
Turl: bigger problem is the 16 bit memory bandwith
<oliv3r>
Turl: can't tell you too much yet unfortunatly, my project will run fine on the lime
<oliv3r>
Turl: the other groups project, which I made them use the lime, after today, I'm not sure yet
<Turl>
oliv3r: is it something with a GUI or headless?
<oliv3r>
right now, his proto is using 2 USB3.0 monocrhome cameras that make the bus choke (720p 30fps)
<oliv3r>
mine is headless, the other project generates low res images on a beamer
<oliv3r>
static images, so nothing fancy there, the problem is camera throughput
<Turl>
that may be worth benchmarking then
<oliv3r>
my collegues laptop couldn't even handle the two cams :(
<oliv3r>
but this is USB, and i don't know how bad the overhead is
<astr>
eoma-68 is at the small humble beginnings of a big project. it's always the enthusiasts first then the others. same with most things
<oliv3r>
they very well may be pumping 720p RGB, while the iamge is gray
<oliv3r>
so that's 2x waste :p
<astr>
rhombus-tech is not depending on MPL this time round. luke got his pay from a contract job and a few others have given some money for a protoype round. the a20 card now has 2gb ram. this newbie, who is not a hw techy feels contifalbe enough to order this prtoye as the first risky one was done ages ago. good change of no problems with this protoype. and the mico desktop is hopfull a safe bet too, so I'm getting one of those too
<astr>
s/contifalb/comfortable/g
<astr>
prototype
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<astr>
chance
<astr>
so how about helping this to get off the ground and buying one instead of negativing from the side lines that they don't have evil inversters poring in doom money which is the typical way of what other company's do to have products rolling of the production line for order not pre-order
<oliv3r>
i hope they fixed the bugs and mistakes of the first round
<oliv3r>
(wrong pins for mmc etc)
<astr>
they already did that ages ago.
<oliv3r>
where those produced though?
<astr>
how many times money money money :) thats what this project needs, it's ready just give them your money so they can get one with sending one in the post :)
<oliv3r>
to be fair, the project isn't fairing so well right now
<oliv3r>
and the hardware isn't OSHW yet is it?
<oliv3r>
the lime costs a fraction of the EOMA-A20 and IS OSHW
<astr>
oliv3r: can't remember the details. all I know is my summery was hardware ok
<oliv3r>
the eoma68 right now, is a little to late imo
<oliv3r>
though eoma-a20 is ahead compared to the lime, which isn't out yet
<oliv3r>
lime v2*
<astr>
your missing the point and I need to get one with writing article/marketing/info. the lime is produced in what quarentys? the price reflects the number made in a batch
<astr>
missing the point of the hold thing that is
<astr>
hole
<oliv3r>
the Lime was an 'experiment' for olimex just as well
<oliv3r>
they started with really small quantities
<oliv3r>
so far, it's been a success
<astr>
as for OSHW, I can't remember what luke has said (I'm not a official spokes person I just like the project) when theres ££££ = rolling off the production line then I guess release of designs, I belive this was to combate to lossing out to chinese rip offs
<oliv3r>
he said, once we make xxx money/units, we'll opensource it, but not before
<oliv3r>
which is not a bad proposal of course
<oliv3r>
the lime was oshw since the start :D
<astr>
and lime was not there first product. what was the price of the small quantities?
<astr>
they had a footing.
<oliv3r>
i think 40 usd
<oliv3r>
er eur*
<oliv3r>
of course they did
<astr>
hmm and was that 100peices or 500?
<astr>
but I'm getting out of my depth again
<astr>
I guess it's also a simpler dev baord with 500mb ram
<astr>
hench the price
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<astr>
and with cubbie board, he was selling meles first so he had some money and had also had reach to customers thanks to publicity
<oliv3r>
astr: was the eoma-a10 1gb?
<astr>
back latter after dinner
<astr>
yes was, in the past
<oliv3r>
astr: enjoy your dinner :)
<oliv3r>
astr: the mele's didn't make him a lot of money :p
<astr>
now 2gb
<oliv3r>
he was selling near ali-express pricing :p
<astr>
like i said some, a unknow about quite posibilly very little
<astr>
amount
<astr>
I also don't know what funding he had access too. I just read a article on there blog recently
<oliv3r>
tom had the huge advantage, having worked at allwinner
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<oliv3r>
and had friends at wits who designed the boards (friends/ex fellow employee's)
<oliv3r>
raxda doesnt to be going much
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<astr>
so he didn't have to lean circuit design like luke has. wits helped do a hard bit for the a20 hard but they got a newbie to do it who made a cockup which delayed things. sounds like tom some big good friends
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<astr>
delayed things and a annying problem, so now theres a little bug that is ok, just not perfection thanks to wit-tech but I thank them for helping at all though
<astr>
sounds like these other guys have had it easy. doing one off boards
<astr>
right dinner
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<oliv3r>
but as I said, to bad the improv + eoma thing was to expensive and to long delayed. we would be ordering 1-2k units per month ;)
<kivutar>
if I use the mainline kernel on my cubieboard2, can I have hardware acceleration in kms?
<oliv3r>
kivutar: does mainline have any video driver at all yet?
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<kivutar>
oliv3r, maybe my question was not clear enough, does mali proprietary driver works with kms?
<kivutar>
I imagine it's a no
<kivutar>
then, is there any other way to go?
<kivutar>
using sunxi 3.4 is the recommanded way?
<oliv3r>
kivutar: if you want anything graphical, 3.4 is the onyl way :(
<oliv3r>
kivutar: mali does only do 3D, e.g. opengl
<kivutar>
ok thanks, so I have to fix this anoying bug in systemd wich does not compile with 3.4 headers...
<kivutar>
stupid systemd
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<oliv3r>
kivutar: systemd *shiver*
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<jinzo>
What, you mean you don't like our new overlord? One Daemon to rule them all?
<astr>
lol
<astr>
oliv3r: whos "we"?
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<oliv3r>
astr: the company I work for, Ultimaker :)
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<Turl>
kivutar: are you building your own systemd distro?
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<oliv3r>
Turl: have you heard anything about the number of limes being sold /month?
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<Turl>
oliv3r: nope, but I think olimex had run out of stock
<Turl>
ask tsvetan :)
<kivutar>
Turl, not really building from scratch, just a fork of openelec, replacing xbmc by retroarch
<astr>
while to begin with it's not cheep as chips as soon as you say for example swap you laptop to a new more powerfull card you've just saved a lot of money but in mass production it's expected that the cards become cheep as chips. bear in mind currently. for all these projects/products there are. with the old way of doing things, it's expensive to buy things like socs (if they can get them at all, cus there too small to get socs from oth
<astr>
er com's). this makes all these products more expensive. now if they share a standard for a swapable card that the soc is in. then 1 card is shared by dozzens of deffent proejcts this means one project (the production of card) is ordering a lot more socs in the frist place = better lower price of the soc and greater access to a larger range of socs
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<oliv3r>
Turl: that may be classified info though :p
<astr>
think of the the big picture
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<oliv3r>
astr: you don't have to sell me on the eoma picture, i think it is an amazing idea
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<oliv3r>
but politics got in the way, and it was delayed etc etc
<oliv3r>
olimex and eoma even conciderd working together for a while, but eoma wanted (too much?) money from olimex, so olimex did their own thing, cheaper
<astr>
I would call it politics, more like the wos of trying to do bizness
<oliv3r>
ego's and politics always gets in the way
<astr>
I'd like to know more
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<astr>
about olimex and rhombus-tech
<oliv3r>
astr: i think it's in the chat log i'm sure :p
<astr>
when?
<oliv3r>
might be the arm-netbook log before we hi-jacked the channel
<astr>
month?
<oliv3r>
many months, maybe a year or two ago
<oliv3r>
i think RT demanded a % of the olimex eoma board sales
<oliv3r>
well whatever they would have been called
<oliv3r>
but RT was cocky, thinking it would just lift off sky-high and didn't need olimex
<oliv3r>
maybe true then, looking back now, well now it looks different :(
<oliv3r>
still, I really like the idea of eoma, don't get me wrong
<astr>
of couse how else do you think they get money. g
<oliv3r>
the olimex SoM kinda does the same, less nice form factor though
<oliv3r>
if you want to push a standard, you push the standard
<oliv3r>
not because you wanna make money :p
<astr>
it's completely different.
<oliv3r>
open standard for all to use etc
<astr>
they need more to make products
<oliv3r>
sure, but working together with olimex as partner, would have allowed things to grow etc
<oliv3r>
then release your own products and make money from that
<astr>
yes as a partner and as a partner you get your share of the sales
<oliv3r>
its kinda the achillies heal of anything open, hard to make the initial money :p
<mnemoc>
RT always assumed the SoC manufacturers will see the value of the eoma68 modules and design them for free
<mnemoc>
and "RT associates" would make products for using those modules
<oliv3r>
mnemoc: do you recall the whole RT + Olimex thing?
<astr>
I belive that was/is a/the hope
<oliv3r>
i just don't think it works this way in china right now :p
<oliv3r>
'good idea, but we're not gonna just try this'
<mnemoc>
if you believe in a project. find the money and build it. it's that simple
<astr>
eoma-68/RT have a marketing problem. and the chicken and egg problem
<astr>
find the money.... you make it sound easy
<oliv3r>
and a little bit of an ego problem too :p
<mnemoc>
the cubieboard is the best example of that. 3 months and the savings of a new-grad chinese eng. product out.
<mnemoc>
then an indiegogo campaign to mass product it
<mnemoc>
produce*
<astr>
find the moeny is what lukes doing. he did a contract job to get money to keep things going
<mnemoc>
oliv3r: don't forget the BS about the patent
<oliv3r>
oh yeah
<astr>
not going, moving
<oliv3r>
the eoma68 patent
<oliv3r>
which will stiffly the use of the open standard too!
<oliv3r>
or something silly
<astr>
I know about the patent but I'ld like to hear what you say
<oliv3r>
if it wasn't pattented
<oliv3r>
others very much may have created a compatible board long ago
<oliv3r>
saved luke some cash
<mnemoc>
if you want to make an standard it needs to be open and free
<astr>
from what I read RT have a pantant that covers all generic computers not only for eoma-*
<mnemoc>
if not, it's yet another proprietary interface
<astr>
so your all f***ed
<oliv3r>
and nobody is going to design around that, too risky
<astr>
all including me
<astr>
what I ment the pantent was not spifical for eoma-* but I havn't read it
<mnemoc>
eoma68 had a lot of potential
<mnemoc>
astr: he patented the reusal of old connectors :p
<mnemoc>
like patenting rounded corners
<astr>
really?
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<astr>
when if it's as good as round corners then it'll protect them from the pantent monsters
<oliv3r>
lol
<oliv3r>
So if i want to make an eoma68 compatible product, i need a patent from rt
<astr>
but a patent is no problem, espe when your exempt
<mnemoc>
if you make it OSHW it's royalty free iirc
<astr>
excluded
<oliv3r>
can you make an eoma68 A20 based CPU card and make it OSHW?
<astr>
yes, me no not me
<astr>
but you can
<oliv3r>
i think you need 'something' to call it eoma68 compatible
<mnemoc>
too
<astr>
eoma-68 LIKE compatiable or something like that
<mnemoc>
what's the point of making a -like interface for an standard which no one uses?
<astr>
all these things are on poor lukes todo list. but hes worrying about them latter on when things are moving
<astr>
and when hes had more experience and a better idea of what to do
<mnemoc>
the eoma68 thing had it's momentum like 4 years ago
<oliv3r>
that's what I said when we started it, too little to late :(
<astr>
but why give up, your still buying a a10 one off board
<oliv3r>
Yeah, for our project, we'll be using a10 based boards
<mnemoc>
but not commiting to an standard limited to one lvds channel and usb2
<oliv3r>
mnemoc: btw! I might be at FOSDEM again in 2015 :D
<oliv3r>
mnemoc: I got the go from work to man a booth!
<mnemoc>
signing books?
<mnemoc>
oh
<oliv3r>
but sure, can do that too :)
<oliv3r>
just gotta get the okay from home :p
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<mnemoc>
:)
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<astr>
can't comment on one lvds. but with there being less socs with stata things are switching over to usb only. luke has worked out how to have a 2rd usb backwards compatible with sata. well if theres not many socs for the next 10 years with sata what good is it to stick to sata.
<oliv3r>
mnemoc: what's the literal name of the [] symbol(s)
<mnemoc>
brackets
<oliv3r>
ah yeah
<astr>
I expect this to be a exception
<astr>
thats why there doing a revision. to swap stata with a 2rd usb
<mnemoc>
astr: why making the new eoma backward compatible with an old eoma which was never born?
<astr>
cus there are some oma-68 cards out in the wild. I think it was to do with a early client
<astr>
mnemoc
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* mnemoc
doesn't believe in the value of easy-for-grandma-to-replace the modules anymore. if you want usb driven, dock your phone.
<astr>
hehe thats another disscussion
<mnemoc>
eoma predates like for 2 years the hdmi sticks
<mnemoc>
world was VERY different back then
<oliv3r>
also, what is the use-case for the eoma68 standard? tablet + pc + settop box, NAS? then why drop the Sata
<oliv3r>
if it's .... anything else, yeah sure who needs sata :p
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<mnemoc>
eoma68 was also intended for servers, iirc specing was going to build a board with a huge set of eoma68 modules
<specing>
doubt it was me
<specing>
I started to hate ARM
<astr>
yes when your looking at standard that doesn't have this or that oh I have to do some harder work to get this or that. then I see why it's not so preferable to use eoma-68 in the beginning. but look at the pi. it's pain to do xyz but pepole make things that deal with the hard stuff and make it easy, same for eoma-68
<astr>
I have grips with arm too
<astr>
but anyway
<astr>
umm...
<mnemoc>
specing: AMD APUs are nicer :p
<specing>
x86 ftw, everything works out of the box
<specing>
mnemoc: I know
<specing>
though I don't have a good experience with radeon drivers
<specing>
Im a fan of intel graphics
<astr>
oliv3r: cus it's the tablet world, less and less socs have sata
<oliv3r>
so the eoma is mostly focusing on tablets t hen
<astr>
no
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<mnemoc>
using eoma on a tablet is pointless
<oliv3r>
the pi was a revolution, because it was dirt cheap
<oliv3r>
and people made it do what they needed it to do, because it was dirt cheap
<mnemoc>
and "made in england" :p
<astr>
it's that sticking to sata would be limiting to the number of socs that could be put into eoma-68 cards
<oliv3r>
well if it where made in china, it would probably be cheaper
<oliv3r>
astr: atm not really, not many chips are as open as the allwinner chips are :p
<oliv3r>
especially concidering the price
<astr>
I know. most socs are evil!
<oliv3r>
though I agree with mnemoc, i think the eoma ship kinda sailed
<oliv3r>
and they forgot to get on :p
<oliv3r>
I got a samsung galaxy note 2 recently, and I don't even use my tablet anymore :p
<nedko>
i still dream about something like eoma68 for miniservers
<nedko>
and amd x1150
<oliv3r>
nedko: the olimex SoM could do that
<specing>
you know how horrible the situation is when you consider allwinner chips open
<astr>
I think it's a great idea and the only way I'm going to get a tabelt the just works, that runns a empowering gnu/linux stack
<oliv3r>
specing: what is horrible about the openess about A10/A20's being open?
<mnemoc>
nedko: for a server you need an SoM that doesn't waste half of it's interface in a deprecated display interface
<nedko>
oliv3r: they are not easy to stack, because their connector is not slotted
<mnemoc>
s/interface/pins/1
<astr>
mnemoc: eoma-68 is not for super computers
<mnemoc>
arm servers is not about super computers, it's about many-many-nodes
<astr>
and your samsung galaxy note 2 is design to be trashed in 2years
<astr>
designed
<mnemoc>
astr: as I saud before, I still believe we need an standard. but eoma68 is pointless.
<oliv3r>
astr: nah, i tend to hold onto my stuff for a while
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<nedko>
mnemoc: yes, i don't want many of the pins in both olimex designs and eoma68
<oliv3r>
astr: before i got the n2, i had a 5 year old htc hero :p
<astr>
you can hole on to it but it's still dead, no more soft updates
<astr>
not truelly empowering
<oliv3r>
astr: why not? cyanogen, replicant and omnirom still work wonderfull
<oliv3r>
true, samsung won't do jack shit
<oliv3r>
but my main priority was replicant availability anyway
<astr>
work arounds. non-free drivers and frimware of doooom. no good for use users. you forget your a techy. you workaround limits,
<astr>
use=us
<astr>
end users
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<astr>
oliv3r: re rpi. ok how was it cheep? markecting and mass production and oh and lots of moeny moeny money and friends in evil broadcom
<astr>
anything in mass production is cheep
<astr>
dam it
<oliv3r>
astr: replicant! :p
<oliv3r>
astr: but yeah, pi = evil :p
<astr>
eoma-68 is designed to be cheep and in mass production it would be dirt cheep with even cheeper 2rd hand cards
<astr>
eoma-68 is the budget option
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<astr>
for flips sake rpi was on uk tv via the click program
<oliv3r>
eoma is expensive, 'non-existant', other devices based on the same chips exist, and propriatery :p
<oliv3r>
also, because some personal beef, luke dislikes the sunxi community :p
<oliv3r>
but that's for a different day, bed time now :)
<oliv3r>
nn :)
<astr>
re phones are no fun. surveillance devices. not truely empowering, convenient yes but anything can be convenient and helpful but truly empowering...? no.
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<astr>
for phones you'd have eoma-CF just what the phone blocks project needs
<oliv3r>
astr: replicant, replicant replicant!
<oliv3r>
:p
<astr>
from what I read, I keep on replying back becuase from what I see you don't seem to get it, you think you do but thats not the impression I get. I thank you for disscuting this with me as it's helping me as a newbie in marketing trying to develop marketing writing for eoma-68/rt. so pleases grill me. but keep on going
<astr>
what have I forget to reply too?
<astr>
forgotten
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<astr>
I joined the eoma-68 waggon around the time of the hdmi sticks. there wheres the support? there yet another for the ultra techy who complies there own kernel for *each* device. no thanks all that hardwork is done for me thanks to eoma-*. I'm thinking of getting a lime board so I can start making my diy pockect handheld computer. my homemade bulky alternative to a smartphone for my needs. I'm making it cus I can't get what I want not
<astr>
because I want to for the heck of it. I like eoma-68 as it takes the pains of doing this out. soc upgrades: easy, kerenal stuff all done, I am not limited to the soc I begain with. I can put my effort into making it once and not have too remake it for a fast soc dev board, I want lots of ram but I need the board to be small, ig going the dev board route I am stuck to 500mb ram lime cus there is no other dev board that is small enough
<astr>
and has a built in battery monitor and charger. it's a pain with a unknown future. like software updates for the kernel/distro/image
<nedko>
a diy pocket handheld computer is in my list too :)
<astr>
when going the dev board route...
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<nedko>
unless i get a really nice replacement for my n900
<astr>
neo900 or indie phone yum yum but neo900 £500+ ouch. no funds here. £100 for a a20 eoma-68 protope is affordable for me