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<ssvb>
plaes: sunxi boards are just too slow for their intended purpose
<ssvb>
plaes: that was also one of the reasons why they disqualified beagle and panda
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<wens>
they're using them as build platforms, need beefy cores
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<WarheadsSE>
plaes: they also don't know to cleanly build a farm. We've only ever had an issue with a single ODROID XU, and we have them runing near 100% ~ 22h/day
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<WarheadsSE>
properly clean power supply goes a long way.
<rah>
22 != 24
<rah>
this may be critical
<WarheadsSE>
rah: indeed, but I would still bet they got bigger underlying issues.
<WarheadsSE>
We've got them in a more constrained space, but with proper air flow, etc thanks to a repurposed old IBM NetBay enclosure
<WarheadsSE>
Now, sitting in open air on a shelf? That might be a lack of flow to help dissipation
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<buZz>
what i'm asking is, how far can i linux-ify a android A31 tablet?
<buZz>
maybe A31S
<buZz>
(it was listed as a boxchip a315, go figure)
<libv>
buZz: no.
<libv>
you do not believe it because it doesn't suit you.
<buZz>
ok :)
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<popolon>
{{reference needed}} could be added as on wikipedia :D.
<popolon>
at least that always good to have some ref to hardware builder docs (if there are)
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<buZz>
well ok
<buZz>
guess i shouldnt buy that A31 tablet
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<wens>
A31S is just an A31 with some stuff trimmed out
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<buZz>
wens: yeah i figured
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<popolon>
And what about the A33 ?
<popolon>
A33 will officially support Android 4.4 and above from AllWinner, so no official multi-OS support like some other higher-end AllWinner SoCs.
<popolon>
A80 could be nice else
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<buZz>
yeah A80 should be coming this month
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<popolon>
Cubietech make a board based on A80
<popolon>
(will)
<buZz>
yes
<buZz>
they promised to release it in june
<buZz>
cant wait :)
<popolon>
:)
<popolon>
No specs about the RAM
<ssvb>
are there any good a31 (or sun6i) devboards?
<buZz>
i hope it will be >2gb ram
<buZz>
and i hope A80 will have sata
<buZz>
afaik nobody has said that it will have sata :/
<shineworld>
I'm searching for an A31 dev board too
<shineworld>
actually I've dismantled a table to try some things....
<shineworld>
*tablet
<popolon>
but I suppose, as that's highend allwinner product, there will be sata. Pictures on cubietech post, that is a modified cubietruck picture display sata port at least
<shineworld>
A80 (by specs in net) don't have sata
<popolon>
I thought that was a good idea to add existing devices
<popolon>
today some searched for A31 dev board
<popolon>
there was no information about that on the wiki
<popolon>
then added some other missing devices, if someone has it it could add more data
<popolon>
I've a warning about apc_store() on the wiki now
<popolon>
Warning: apc_store(): Potential cache slam averted for key 'sunxi-mw:user:id:1588' in /srv/http/sunxi/linux-sunxi.org/wiki/includes/objectcache/APCBagOStuff.php on line 59
<libv>
popolon: no.
<libv>
you either own it and are able to create a full page, or you just do not add it.
* libv
is deleting these devices
<popolon>
why for ?
<libv>
popolon: because the NDH_TODO will be there _forever_
<popolon>
I don't understant your statement, once again ?
<popolon>
there are [[New Device page]] and the [[New Device howto]]
<libv>
popolon: this wiki has a purpose, it should not collect random junk, it should not collect 1000s of devices which are just the template with a different title.
<popolon>
I understood that
<libv>
popolon: what if the new device page template changes?
<popolon>
but this one was reported in lot of sites, there are good informations on it
<libv>
popolon: why should i go bother changing pages which are direct copies, while i have 70 odd _real_ device pages to deal with
<libv>
popolon: what hardware have you brought up yourself?
<popolon>
you don't use scripts to adapt pages in this case ?
<popolon>
cubieboard2
<libv>
popolon: without direct access to the database?
<popolon>
that the device I worked the most on
<libv>
popolon: also. this category poking you are doing
<popolon>
You edit the whole wiki without access to mediawiki API ?
<libv>
popolon: devices only list devices, they do not need to have other pages in there (apart from the example)
<libv>
popolon: yes.
<popolon>
???
<popolon>
device category is related to devices
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<popolon>
that's trange to not have pages speaking about devices in device category...
<popolon>
Category is about helping people found information about a subject, isn't it ?
<libv>
popolon: not in this case.
<popolon>
that's the case in any kind of website (wiki, blog, shops, newspaper etc...)
<libv>
01:34 < libv> yet you just put it in there.
<popolon>
I don't understand your willing to reduce easy information access
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<libv>
popolon: because you are muddling things up.
<popolon>
and don't understand what is damaging here ???
<libv>
you are not making things easier.
<popolon>
why for ?
<libv>
the category devices, just collects all known devices.
<popolon>
could you explain why muddling, and what is harder
<libv>
not pages that might have something to do with devices
<libv>
actual device pages.
<libv>
none of the bullshit you just added.
<popolon>
but that a limitation you want to do, have you a reason for that ?
<libv>
we used to have a software and hardware category
<libv>
it was created in the same notion
<libv>
and it completely unearthed very quickly.
<libv>
category devices just lists devices, nothing else.
<libv>
what do you fail to understand?
<popolon>
don't you thing it will confuse user to have two category about harware devices ?
<libv>
wtf?
<libv>
hardware devices?
<popolon>
called harware and devices
<libv>
oh, you would prefer them to all be in one and the same category?
<libv>
why not just make a single category then?
<libv>
or better
<libv>
no categories at all.
<popolon>
I just look at Category:Hardware
<libv>
and?
<popolon>
Hardware is more about comonents
<popolon>
components
<libv>
it's still pretty messy
<popolon>
today that's about that
<libv>
it should indeed be that, or it should be hardware hacking
<libv>
it took me ages to get it there.
<popolon>
I understand
<libv>
popolon: did you bother to talk to anyone about the new device category you added?
<popolon>
do you have more ideas about that and want help in one direction to improve that ?
<libv>
or did you just do it?
<libv>
and didn't think that anyone was allowed to have an opinion about it?
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<popolon>
I just do it, thinking that was a good improvment, as adding french translation, when I seen korean, spanish and other languages translations
<popolon>
libv, you have an opinion and speak about that
<popolon>
I listen you isn't it
<libv>
popolon: you implemented a rather fundamental change to our wiki
<popolon>
didn't anything that was against my changes in the wiki, and think that help more that make dammage
<libv>
and you didn't even bother to consult anyone.
<popolon>
what is fundamental ?
<popolon>
???
<libv>
if you fail to grasp that, you should not be making such far reaching changes.
<popolon>
when I added missing informations about basic things this autumn, nobody react like this
<libv>
you are not adding missing information
<popolon>
there was lot of outdated inforamtion it seems just normal to add it
<libv>
i still have to go through all the changes you made
<libv>
but very few of them were adding missing information
<popolon>
....
<libv>
you mostly were throwing categories around
<popolon>
I feel like hearing dictatorship in a wiki in opensource software ?
<popolon>
added some information about missing images
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<popolon>
and not working anymore mirror images
<popolon>
Do you thing that's damaging too ?
<libv>
popolon: of the 50 odd changes you made, those perhaps have not been damaging
<libv>
but overall, you have done a lot of bad
<popolon>
adding information about existing devices is damaging
<libv>
mnemoc, Turl: please read the above exchange
<popolon>
helping found more easily information is damaging
<popolon>
I really don' t understand what you mean ???
<libv>
i would like to lock popolon his account until saturday, when i have some time to fix up things again, and when i can keep a very watchful eye on changes.
<popolon>
yes I prefer to have opinion of several people please
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<libv>
popolon: that's a first.
<popolon>
hey, I'm not here for damaging !
<libv>
popolon: yet you are very damaging nonetheless.
<popolon>
I would like to help
<popolon>
if there is a consensus about the way to go, I will accept it
<libv>
popolon: and i currently am not able to spend the time to make sure you are not destroying all the work that has been properly put into this wiki.
<libv>
popolon: again, that's a first for you
<popolon>
????
<popolon>
O didn't removed any information
<libv>
popolon: you do not get to play that card after you added a new devices category without consulting anyone involved.
<popolon>
You removed lot of my (and other) work without saying anything to me so I've no chance to make backup
<popolon>
but I don't want to destroy anithing
<libv>
popolon: i can get that information for you, but i am not sure why you would want that.
<libv>
i have spent a lot of time prying relevant information from the pages you created
<popolon>
Once again, I really didn't see that like a damaging thing, and still don't understand
<popolon>
you only had to ask me
<libv>
do you understand why adding devices you just googled is counter-productive?
<popolon>
Once again if you asked me at this time (I'm everyday on this channel since about one year)
<popolon>
I would have read this and look if someone was missing
<libv>
popolon: you are only sporadically here.
<popolon>
I would prefer you work on Lima driver, we all need and you are the only one to have knowledge for
<libv>
we had several extensive discussion about translations in here
<popolon>
I'm here everyday
<libv>
popolon: my sense of structure does seem to be rather unique
<popolon>
if you highlighted me/asked me I had tried to answer to you
<libv>
but not all day.
<popolon>
today you asked something to me I immediatldy answered isn't it ?
<popolon>
yes I was not here from 19:00 to 23:00 (paris time) today
<popolon>
but most of the day
<popolon>
well I don't want to troll all the night
<popolon>
If there are rules about that I will follow
<libv>
popolon: i am suspending your account until i have a chance to clean things up and handhold your future changes. i just cannot deal with this mess at this very moment, and i do not want to see more damage being doing, or me getting double work
<libv>
mnemoc, Turl, oliv3r: ^
<popolon>
I only wanted to help, as I started again to work on my cubieboard
<popolon>
???
<popolon>
As you want, but I feel, that's more damaging than other
<libv>
popolon: then please focus on your cubieboard
<libv>
and not on re-rewriting our wiki and throwing it back into the middle ages.
<popolon>
If you say there is a rule and need a consensus, I can wait until that's reached
<popolon>
I didn't add languages after there was deleted isn't it ?
<popolon>
I'm not rewriting the wiki !!!
<libv>
popolon: well, you can also just not edit our wiki anymore until saturday, that works for me too
<libv>
not even undoing the changes you made in the last few days
<popolon>
just change some categories, added 2 devices, and added missing/out of date informations about distros those days
<libv>
as then i have double the amount of work.
<popolon>
and make links between images pages
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<libv>
popolon: did you read what i just wrote?
<popolon>
no problem
<libv>
ok
<popolon>
I can wait for saturday
<popolon>
I wrote information in some text editors
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<popolon>
and probably will add it on my blog if I have the time
<popolon>
I'm more in experimantal phase, looking around what has changed those several month I was on other subjects