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<dlan>
hey, I'm not a sphositicaed sunxi user, but I do have one cubietrunk, and I'd plan to build my own kernel, would like to try upstream kernel, it is feasible?
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<mripard>
libv: and look how right you were, noone ever used it.
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<libv>
mripard: then we are officially not an inkling better than those other projects, and there is no reason for us to waste time with this platform anymore.
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<markusr>
I am looking at the A20-OLinuXino-MICRO. Is it possible to put also uboot on sata?
<libv>
markusr: nope
<libv>
well, not without being able to completely rewrite brom
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<wens>
markusr: the on-die bootrom only checks mmc, nand and spi
<Net147>
are all the EDID settings read from HDMI besides pixel clock actually used to configure the HDMI output signal? e.g. horizontal and vertical blanking and other timing parameters
<markusr>
so practically you need a small microsd card.
<wens>
yes
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<mripard>
libv: I guess it's just plain evolution, it's there, no one uses it, then it shouldn't be, and we shouldn't have even care.
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<robincook>
hi, its a simple question, that, I don't remember how to recompile boot1 on my sun7i. what is the command in ./lichee/boot/boot1 ? thank you.
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<libv>
mripard: perhaps, but i still think that this is a clear sign that we are not better than other SoC projects, and that we have no real reason to stick with clueless gpl violating allwinner
<libv>
we are development board centric, just like everyone else, let's go board hopping, just like everyone else
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<arokux>
hi libv
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<arokux>
libv: are there some new developments of a sunxi kms driver? :)
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<libv>
not at this time, no
<arokux>
libv: could you make your code public maybe?
<libv>
i have stated this before.
<arokux>
libv: oh, sorry, I haven't noticed it.
<oliv3r>
libv: boardhopping? what happened?
<libv>
arokux: no, not until it is featureful enough to not further dumb down the chances for more than just development board support
<libv>
oliv3r: most people in the arm space are either working for a vendor more or less directly, or are constantly hopping boards and SoCs
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<oliv3r>
i see
<libv>
it's not helping, as they at best are papering over some issues before they jump to the next platform
<libv>
assuring that nothing ever is done properly
<oliv3r>
yeah
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<oliv3r>
libv: how's your article comming along?
<mripard>
libv: hey, you make your own choices
<libv>
mripard: of course
<libv>
oliv3r: posted a short while ago
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<oliv3r>
libv: not a prob
<oliv3r>
libv: means i got some refreshing to do :)
<mripard>
libv: but what could have happened is that it happened too early
<Gerwin_J>
end of this month you can buy A80 optimus board
<libv>
mripard: what happened to early? the creation of the fex to dt translator?
<libv>
too even
<Gerwin_J>
Will not sell by Allwinner but by chinese partner
<mripard>
I mean, people that should be interested in babelfish are the one that have a tablet that is not supported at the moment, at all. which implies tablets/STBs. Would you put a headless system on such a device with limited inputs/connectivity?
<Gerwin_J>
price will be around 325 dollar
<arokux>
Gerwin_J: o_O
<libv>
mripard: is babelfish even documented on our wiki? i have not bothered to look, as i have not gone near mainline
<libv>
it is not even mentioned
<libv>
mripard: it's time to write a guide on how to get $device ported to mainline, and to feature babelfish in it
<libv>
also mention it in topics related to fex
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<oliv3r>
mnemoc: can you add my work e-mail as an alias or something to the 'allowed address'? or do you prefer i sign up with it seperatly?
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<mnemoc>
oliv3r: send a mail and I whitelist you
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<astr>
is the PWR jack on the LIME board +Tip? already asked on #olimex
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<rz2k>
astr: is it hard to test for common ground to find a ground first and assume that the other pin is plus?
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<oliv3r>
mnemoc: done
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<wens>
mnemoc: how did you find out action was allwinner's parent, and merrii is wits?
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<MasterChief10>
Hello, Can't run A13 clock speed above 900mhz, wondering if something is wrong with documentation. any help please
<MasterChief10>
value 0xA1005410 in register CCM_PLL1_CFG must set PLL1 output to 960Mhz (24MHz*N*K)/(M*P) 960=(24*20*2)/(1*1)
<MasterChief10>
is that right?
<astr>
rz2k can be done buts it's a pain on such a small board
<astr>
no actually don't think it's so easy
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<astr>
got an answer
<ssvb_>
MasterChief10: what kind of kernel and hardware are you using?
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<mnemoc>
wens: tom told us once how allwinner was created by executives departing from actions
<mnemoc>
wens: and about merrii, first because the incomplete customs information provided by them to DHL when sending me the A31 board I bought from them on aliexpress... and later by direct confirmation via email
<oliv3r>
mnemoc: do you think you can find out (via hipboi maybe?) why allwinner is ignoring us?
<oliv3r>
i even asked eva via my work account, but nothing
<kivutar>
I'm trying to get hdmi sound on my cubieboard2, I have hdmi.audio=EDID:0 in my cmdline, I have sound working on jack, I have CONFIG_SND_SUNXI_SOC_HDMIAUDIO=y in my kernel config
<kivutar>
what can it be?
<mnemoc>
oliv3r: tom is ignored as well. he is in the queue to get the reference design info for A80. benn is closer to AW, but benn ignores us too
<oliv3r>
great
<oliv3r>
amazing
<oliv3r>
would it be an Idea to get through to AW via linaro?
<oliv3r>
not that linaro seems to care much
<mnemoc>
oliv3r: saw the latest libv's post? :p
<oliv3r>
yeah
<oliv3r>
that's why iw as wondering
<oliv3r>
i know they use it as a 'shield'
<oliv3r>
libv: btw, I think you got anand's name wrong, i think it needs el or al inbetween
<ssvb_>
Dodger78: the voltages look good
<ssvb_>
Dodger78: maybe check your power supply and/or the power cable?
<oliv3r>
libv: or was it lal? i don't recall
<oliv3r>
mnemoc: what about tsvetan?
<mnemoc>
in his post he pasted the specs from aw's product page
<mnemoc>
so I bet he also doesn't have anything yet
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<oliv3r>
well i'm mostly interested in contact/avenue for communication
<oliv3r>
maybe eva got fired and her mailbox is being unread?
<oliv3r>
Turl: i can't get owncloud-sqlite to properly install on wheezy-backports no matter what i try
<oliv3r>
it always either pulls in crap
<mnemoc>
oliv3r: it's the "Senior Manager for Global Business Development"... and a western... who might understand better the problem if explained correctly
<mnemoc>
at least there is not language barrier
<oliv3r>
go go go!
<mnemoc>
mripard is directly connected to him. i'm not
<Turl>
oliv3r: :/
<mripard>
oliv3r: no, I only have contact with engineers
<mnemoc>
mripard: and that guy from linkedin?
<Turl>
mnemoc: that guy is on all expo videos with the armdevices vlogger
<oliv3r>
mripard: which won't help in getting any gpl violations resolved :)
<mripard>
oliv3r: why?
<oliv3r>
well we still need some sources resolved
<oliv3r>
cedarX technically, boot0 for a23
<mnemoc>
libnand, etc...
<oliv3r>
i contacted eva wu, but have received zero reply
<oliv3r>
and i contacted her via work, since we are an opensource company and our stuff is opensource too
<mnemoc>
libv also sent her a detailed list of violations in the A23 SDK
<mripard>
mnemoc: do I really have to justify every relation I might have on linkedin?
<mnemoc>
mripard: of course not, I only mean you _can_ contact him
<mripard>
mnemoc: I had a phone call with him once, more than a year ago
<mripard>
oliv3r: lkcl isn't dealing with this anymore?
<mnemoc>
eva also added me, and she never ever replied one of my mails when we started this quest...
<mripard>
he's the one who sent me the A31 EVK
<oliv3r>
mripard: i think he kinda gave up
<mnemoc>
mripard: maybe him could be a better contact to solve the GPL violations...
<mnemoc>
he*
<oliv3r>
mripard: i'd love to argue with eva etc, but it's hard to argue when you get ignored :(
<mripard>
mnemoc: I'm not sure, he really is a business guy iirc
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<oliv3r>
mripard: so do you think we need and should resolve GPL violation issues? How can we do this if AW isn't listening
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<oliv3r>
I doubt a physical (signed for) letter will make a difference at all
<mnemoc>
hall of shame in the wiki and in the side menu, for page rank
<oliv3r>
do we have that?
<mnemoc>
not yet
<mripard>
oliv3r: I don't know, I never dealt with this kind of situation before. I can try to drop a mail and see if it works.
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<mripard>
maybe have the various holders of the copyrights involved would help
<oliv3r>
mripard: i'll cc you a copy of my last message to AW, just for your records
<Turl>
mripard: I recall seeing some of your sunxi work on their recent kernels, fwiw
<mnemoc>
the cedarx library is shamelessly based in ffmpeg, that should be a good weapon, if they care at all
<mripard>
Turl: yeah, but we have the source for that, don't we?
<oliv3r>
well it does give you some 'weight'
<Turl>
mripard: not of libnand, libisp, etc
<Turl>
(which is also part of the kernel, you could argue)
<oliv3r>
libnand being an annoying offender
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<Dodger78>
@ssvb i even buffered with a lipo. didnt help
<Turl>
Dodger78: have you tried running a mainline kernel?
<Turl>
it has a different driver for ethernet
<Dodger78>
really ? im currently tryin to build 3.16
<Dodger78>
maybe that helps
<Dodger78>
gmac on mainline is different ?
<Turl>
it's using stmmac
<Dodger78>
k i try that
<Dodger78>
hope the a80 cubieboard has less problems ^^ :-(
<CaptHindsight>
has it been confirmed that the new A80 cubieboard is SATA Free?
<Dodger78>
at least is got usb3 , so who cares ?
<Dodger78>
you can attach hd there
<oliv3r>
i wonder how well their usb3 implementation will work
<oliv3r>
depends on the IP they bought really
<CaptHindsight>
and how they connected the IP
<oliv3r>
well usb3 ip seems to be riddled with bugs and issues
<jemk>
the a80 source from cubietech contains a new libschw blob ...
<CaptHindsight>
USB has lousy real time performance since the latency can be so long
<Turl>
jemk: what's that?
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<CaptHindsight>
so USB dongles are great if you don't care about doing anything real time
<oliv3r>
Turl: one big advantage is using the owncloud-sqlite && owncloud mysql-server- method, no mysql configuration pops by, so while it is nasty technically, it does work :)
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<oliv3r>
Turl: the getid3 has to be installed seperatly via the -t parameter though; it won't install the proper version as per dependancy
<oliv3r>
CaptHindsight: how much do you know about usb latency?
<oliv3r>
CaptHindsight: we are seeing some usb latency issues (on usb2) too and blame usb, but we haven't investigated it yet
<CaptHindsight>
oliv3r: do you need a copy of the spec?
<oliv3r>
we are concidering using a bigger buffer on the receiving end
<oliv3r>
CaptHindsight: no, user experience is far more valueable :)
<CaptHindsight>
it's just bad since the spec didn't care about low latency
<oliv3r>
well for us its semi realtime
<oliv3r>
it's a lot of small round trip packages
<Turl>
oliv3r: yes, you always need -t when installing backports stuff
<oliv3r>
well yeah
<oliv3r>
but if something from the backports has a depenancy, version wise, it won't pull that from backports
<Turl>
jemk: looks ugly, that much I can say :p
<CaptHindsight>
oliv3r: on the cubie2 we are using SPI and some GPIO lines for real time 1-2Mb/s to a FPGA
<bonbons>
Turl, Dodger78: for CubieTruck ethernet, I seem to be seeing the TX issues as well, on 3.4.x kernel as wells as 3.16-rc
<oliv3r>
yeah we are going to use SPI anyway
<oliv3r>
we are short on ports anyhow :p
<oliv3r>
(usb ports)
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<bonbons>
though it looks more like it's a packet the driver/hardware does not like as usually it kills the corresponding tcp connection
<CaptHindsight>
preempt_rt latency jitter is ~80uS, xenomai ~40uS
<arokux2>
ijc: hey, what about acking the driver itself? :)
<bonbons>
previous and later packets of the connection get through, with SACK hint for the missing packet(s) but usually it does not recover
<CaptHindsight>
anyone get a banana pi yet?
<bonbons>
I didn't look at whatever tcp-offloading options there are that might break/unbreak things - running on defaults
<ijc>
I aso wanted to give marex a chance to comment
<arokux2>
ijc: aha, good, add me to cc if you do, please
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<ijc>
sure, my plan ws to replyto the patch and mention it
<arokux2>
ijc: thanks!
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<oliv3r>
i have to start working on the libnand forward porting soon :S
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<oliv3r>
libv: looks like phoronix picked your story up :)
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<ssvb_>
ijc: the master branch is not supposed to be rebased anymore?
<ssvb_>
ijc: if yes, then please hold on
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<libv>
oliv3r: i wish michael would stop posting pictures of us drinking at linuxtag
<oliv3r>
libv: why?! he thinks your big drinking buddies!
<oliv3r>
libv: did you read my comment about anand missing the lal bit?
<libv>
yeah, i need to still look into that
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<oliv3r>
libv: coolio
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<ijc>
ssvb_: I was talking about the denx.de custodian tree not the github one
<nove>
oliv3r, mnemoc, we should not make statements without having profs (they can make them scared, and ignore us), and were is the prof of cedarx libraries having anything to do with ffmpeg, i never saw anything concrete to back this
<ssvb_>
ijc: yes, I'm talking about the denx.de custodian tree
<nove>
not that i or jemk look at it, alias we avoided to look inside the binaries, so that we didn't get dirty
<ssvb_>
ijc: so it would be very nice if you could wait at least until tomorrow
<Skaag>
is there a way to safely dd the SD image of a remote unit over to me?
<ijc>
ssvb_: I probably won't get to it before then anyway. and there's always another PR
<Skaag>
ok with netcat
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<oliv3r>
nove: there is prove, we found stuff, i think we had it on the wiki at some point
<oliv3r>
nove: me and wingrime investigated all this in the early days :)
<nove>
oliv3r: similar symbols names and the sames coefficient tables of the codec standard, i think doesn't count
<ssvb_>
ijc: thanks
<oliv3r>
nove: we had harder proof then that :)
<oliv3r>
nove: i don't wish to taint you
<oliv3r>
nove: but i can tell you this much
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<oliv3r>
for every codec supported, they simply took the reference sample code they found online and put it in cedarX (with parts in the hardware bit of course)
<oliv3r>
nove: hence, jpeg support in cedarX is really the libjpeg source code in linux, and that's fine, because it is not GPL licensed, all you need to do is supply the jpeg readme or something (they didn't even bother with that)
<oliv3r>
nove: and for some bits, they blalantly used ffmpeg source code
<oliv3r>
but it's now hidden somewhere in the wiki history
<oliv3r>
as i can't find them in the active pages
<oliv3r>
nove: but i'm not hugly worried about cedarX, as it is RE'ed a lot allready
<nove>
oliv3r: prof is need, dissembled parts of the binaries, that matches without doubt gpl licensed source code
<nove>
oliv3r: without that ids only void statement that we are making (that will not help us)
<oliv3r>
nove: we had that :)
<oliv3r>
they also never denied it
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<Black_Horseman>
hola
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<nove>
if (i very much doubt) sources were released, nothing would change, other than more noise would be made, with allwinner being labeled as a savior in the news
<nove>
we would be in the same situation
<nove>
only needs to looks at the kernel sources, to see that would be very unlikely that we would get the real important part
<nove>
that is hardware documentation
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<nove>
and as is already seen, nobody would come forward to help clear the mess
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<nove>
so, same thing, but now with the added "why is still not ready if allwinner released the sources? that sunxi folks can't do anything"
<nove>
the hard part is no do reverse engineering (that is the fun part)
<nove>
that real hard part is to write the driver (in the right way)
<nove>
specialty with this unshaped kernel media frameworks
<nove>
and is only us two (i and jemk)
<nove>
two people that before this adventure didn't have any experience in video codecs and without kernel driver development experience
<Turl>
mripard: do you know if just pulling mplayer in will be ok, or do I need to enable codecs separately?
<popolon>
Updated it : Identify the dtb file for you board in arch/arm/boot/dts, you will need it in the next step. The name of the file is constructed in <family>-<soc>-<board>.dtb form, so the filename of your board should start by it's SoC family like sun5i, sun6i or sun7i.
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