<wens>
mripard asked to use fixed-factor clocks for them
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<Turl>
IMO, one clock should only take one node to represent
<wens>
i assume you're using divs for pll2?
<Turl>
I don't have a clean implementation for it yet
<Turl>
I got something together with hardcoded values to focus on the other parts
<wens>
i see
<Turl>
(even AW themselves hardcoded the values fwiw)
<wens>
i suppose those are the only clock rates that matter
<Turl>
yeah, I read a comment somewhere on the code saying they needed the precision
<Turl>
so they have those specific factors
<wens>
we probably should've hardcoded pll6 to 600mhz too, as stated in the manual
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<Turl>
maybe
<Turl>
the server is still down :\
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<Turl>
wens: I just had a quick look at your series from yesterday
<Turl>
wens: the only thing I was able to spot was a misspelled indices on your cover letter
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<wens>
oops, misspelled more than once
<wens>
only changes from v3 were moving to bitmaps instead of clock-indices for the gates
<wens>
the remaining stuff i have for a23 are pinctrl, i2c and mmc, all of them just DT patches
<wens>
leaving out pll6 implementation until we agree on how to do it
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<Turl>
wens: does A23 have any other pll6 users?
<Turl>
(apart from mbus)
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<wens>
Turl: mmc mod0 clock
<wens>
but the dummy pll6 clock is 600 mhz, which matches the system default set by boot0/uboot
<wens>
so it still works
<wens>
i suppose it could be clocked from osc24M if pll6 isn't available
<Turl>
ah, ok
<Turl>
just wondering, because I didn't recall other users apart from sata
<Turl>
and that's not there
<Turl>
uh, someone trying to build a23 uboot on the list
<wens>
he probably should've dropped the kernel guys from his reply
<Turl>
yeah
<Turl>
good night :)
<wens>
:)
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<mripard>
wens: the A31 EVK already have a power switch :)
<mripard>
wens: and I've been working for the MMC clocks on splitting the factors clock
<mripard>
it's not quite finished yet, I was hoping to get this done by the end of this week
<mripard>
but I can push what I have so fare
<wens>
mripard: no rush :)
<wens>
i'm working on sun6i/sun8i rtc driver
<wens>
mripard: well i meant mentioning to allwinner that rockchip is pushing for mainline support
<wens>
a little pressure might be good :p
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<oliv3r>
allo
<oliv3r>
wens: rockchip itself is doing that? nice one, how is rockchip doing with opensource bootloader support?
<oliv3r>
how many binary blobs do they still ahve?
<wens>
no idea atm
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<wens>
i haven't looked
<oliv3r>
just trying to judge how much ahead sunxi is :)
<oliv3r>
or we have to jump chip :p
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<oliv3r>
Anybody know the Psi-JT according to Jedec's JESD51-2A for the A10/A20?
<oliv3r>
mripard: would you be able to get that information from AW dev's? Including maybe the temperature coefficient etc for the temperature sensor?
<mripard>
oliv3r: I have no idea what you're talking about
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<wens>
oliv3r: afaik rockchip has pinctrl, clks and mmc in mainline already
<wens>
and i think i've seen patches for i2c
<oliv3r>
mripard: i'm doing thermal analsys :) And JEDEC has some rules and recommendations on how junction temperatures etc are to be calculated and defined
<mripard>
wens: pinctrl and clocks aren't there iirc
<mripard>
but they had mmc for a very long time
<mripard>
pretty much since day 1
<oliv3r>
the temperature coefficient is required to tune/calibrate the internal themral diode :)
<mripard>
they have i2c
<oliv3r>
they should have spi + i2c
<mripard>
and rockchip submitted spi and i2s for 3.17
<wens>
there's pinctrl-rockchip in 3.16-rc
<wens>
maybe it's just the basic framework
<mripard>
maybe I'm wrong :)
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<mripard>
oliv3r: send me an email with what you are doing, and what you want
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<groszek>
anyone with cubieboard2? I'm interrested in seeing results of: openssl speed -multi 2 aes-256-cbc
<fiola>
zoobab: got a link to open source packages used for DHT-based hosting?
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<rz2k>
groszek: if you find google cache for linux-sunxi.org/Benchmarks it had A20 openssl -speed
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<groszek>
ah yeah, thanks
<groszek>
I wanted to see if there is difference between boards on the same cpu,
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<rm>
one difference will be the RAM frequency
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<rm>
can be 480, 432, 360
<rm>
perhaps with more steps in between
<rm>
not sure if this will affect openssl much, which is probably computing and not RAM access intensive
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<Turl>
wiki is up now
<Turl>
dead psu
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<ccaione>
Turl: are you happy to be in the final? :D
<fiola>
Does Mediawiki have a federation/distribution mechanism, with updates being spread automatically to replicas. Graceful degradation would be nice.
<Turl>
rz2k: ssvb libv_ slopez etc ^
<Turl>
ccaione: :D
<Turl>
fiola: no idea, but it may be worth looking
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<fiola>
I'm sure many would like to contribute, spread the load, as long as it's automatic.
<Turl>
err slapin ^, sorry slopez
<rz2k>
ty
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<ssvb>
Turl: phew, thanks!
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<fiola>
ssvb: cold turkey without the regular linux-sunxi.org fix :P
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<libv>
well, let it all be a lesson to you
<libv>
the wiki is fucking important.
<fiola>
libv++
<fiola>
Too important to not have replicas at multiple sites, with automatic replication.
<libv>
no, i meant: to important to refuse to document anything in it
<fiola>
That too. But I was talking about availability.
<rinni>
I run cpuburn-a7 on my Cubieboard2 for two hours today and recorded the temperature recorded by the touchscreen sensor, max. temp is ~66°C
<rellla>
libv: i'm away now for three days :p - and veeeery slow internet via t-mobile edge at home. no fun atm.
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<rellla>
libv: so i beg you to help me within this messy situation and look into the wiki yourself \o/
<rellla>
:p
<fiola>
And on a related topic, I suggest that all patches go on wiki too. Scanning a mailing list for code is less than optimal.
* rellla
melted the psu, not to have to do the hummingbird page ;)
<fiola>
Code on github, gitorious, etc, links to code on wiki, not the code itself.
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<ccaione>
fiola: patches on the ml is the universal way to do these things and it makes easier to review them
<fiola>
ccaione: completely different requirements for a dev team and for users. A dev team follows ML religiously, whereas users can't be expected to look through a year's worth of ML traffic to find a specific patch.
<fiola>
Don't confuse the two. I agree ML is awesome for dev team that follows it continuously, but that's not the requirement for random patches needed by users.
<fiola>
That's why a list of important patches on a wiki is very useful for the wider community.
<ccaione>
how do you choose which patches are important?
<ccaione>
it will end up having all the patches duplicated in the wiki IMO
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<fiola>
What's important depends on the user, that's why listing them on a wiki will serve many different requirements. I for instance would cherry pick the one for I2C touchscreen temperature sensor.
<fiola>
ccaione: You can't expect a person who wants just one specific patch to wade through a year's worth of mail to find it.
<ccaione>
fiola: I do all the time, no big issue
<fiola>
Well others don't have all their lives to spend scanning email. We want a specific patch.
<ccaione>
go on, edit the wiki and add a new page :)
<fiola>
That's not a bad idea.
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<wens>
looking through patchwork is probably better :)
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<Tsvetan>
great linux-sunxi.org site is up again !
<slapin>
YAY!!!
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<fiola>
Yep, it was grim without it, hehe. Just shows that it is an important resource, and so we should give it some enginerring design consideration so that it can't disappear when one site gets hit by an asteroid.
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<KAPTEIN>
Hi, i'm wondering if its possible to book into linux on Novo 7 tablet (ARM7, allwinner a10)
<KAPTEIN>
Search around on internet, but found only threads without replies .(
<KAPTEIN>
searched*
<WarheadsSE>
If you can peel out the fex, you can likely get it working, but you will want to dervice all the attached devices have supported drivers long before that.
<KAPTEIN>
"Usually, script.bin can be found on the nanda boot partition on A10 devices."- is it a difficult task to do?
<KAPTEIN>
I just got adb installed adn can browse my root dir
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<afaerber>
KAPTEIN, careful, you probably meant ARMv7, not ARM7 :)
<KAPTEIN>
Yeah :)
<KAPTEIN>
i can do this "dd if=/dev/nand" and then mount *.img file
<KAPTEIN>
Will it do the trick?
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<Turl>
fiola: the idea is that patches are reviewed and merged, users should just need to use the (stage/)sunxi-3.4 branch or so
<Turl>
ssvb: I see a pg_dump on the backup script, I suppose that takes care of it
<Turl>
but let's confirm with mnemoc when he is around
<ssvb>
where are the backups dumped to?
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<Turl>
ssvb: some other ssh host on "your-backup.de"
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<KAPTEIN>
Turl, that was plenty of usefull information to read, thanks :)
<Turl>
I think it was gzamboni that mentioned he was mirroring the backup
<Turl>
gzamboni: see if you have an sql.xz with those files you rsync
<ssvb>
Turl: during the whole downtime incident, I was particularly freaked out by the fact that nobody could say "guys, don't worry, I have a fresh mediawiki database backup"
<Turl>
KAPTEIN: yw
<Turl>
ssvb: :)
<ssvb>
and everyone was kinda waiting for mnemoc to clarify the situation
<Turl>
ssvb: I just made a copy of the current backup if it makes you feel safer
<ssvb>
"This keeps happening ... make sure to backup, and then test your backup"
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<ssvb>
Turl: basically, their problem was that not everything important had been included in the backups, and this was discovered only after their server went down
<fiola>
This shouldn't be about taking backups, it should be about having a resilient system architecture. One single site for something as important as this wiki is not good engineering practice.
<ssvb>
Turl: so it makes a lot of sense to also verify that this linux-sunxi mediawiki database dump can be really used for complete recovery by testing it
<Turl>
I should set up an LAPP stack and try them
<Turl>
maybe even leave it as RO so there's a backup wiki and refresh it daily
<fiola>
As a bare minimum, send the nightly dumps to nominated mirrors, and put the mirror URLs in round robin DNS. That's a bit Jurassic, but better than nothing.
<rm>
u wot m8
<rm>
round robin DNS, so that people edit a random copy of the wiki?:)
<fiola>
Replicas read-only, unless MediaWiki has a federation system. Said that a couple of hours ago.
<fiola>
It not only tests the integrity of your backups every night, but also allows for continued read-only operations when the master site goes down, or is taken down for planned maintenance. It's a LOT better than nothing, despite being a bit noddy.
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<gzamboni>
Turl i do sync only /srv/http/sunxi/linux-sunxi.org/dl and /srv/http/tom/cubieboard.org/dl
<gzamboni>
but i can add some more dirs if you think its a good aditionnal security
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<Turl>
more copies are never a bad thing
<Turl>
(unless you're part of RIAA and such)
<Turl>
but let's wait for mnemoc
<gzamboni>
:) k, anyway i didnt find that mysql backup file
<gzamboni>
on the server and on the rsyncked files
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<montjoie[home]>
if you need help for some sysadmin do not hesitate, I perhaps can help
<Zboonet>
montjoie[home], does your nick have something to see with "Les Contamines Montjoie" ?
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<montjoie[home]>
no
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<oliv3r>
fiola: what script do you use to record temperatures
<jwktje>
I saw that the Anichips_phoenix page was removed. Does anybody know why? The original wiki from Anichips is broken and incomplete after they moved servers. I read in an old version of the wiki page that I could use the sun7i target. My question is, could I still do a manual build at this point? I have the sys_config.fex file. I really need to get my hands on a bootable image. Any help would be great
<jwktje>
Yes but the info about doing a manual build is empty at the moment. My guess is that (because of the notice at the top of the page) the page needs to be changed to fit new criteria. If there was something I could do to get this going, I'd love to. The problem is that I'm more a webdeveloper and less capable with this kinda stuff.
<jwktje>
tldr: Will do webdev for bootable IMG :P
<jwktje>
Any takers for a free custom built website or even an app in exchange for helping me out on this?
<oliv3r>
jwktje: i doubt there's anything anichips specific you need to care about
<oliv3r>
Turl: i think i'll forward port the nand stuff in u-boot to sunxi-u-boot
<Turl>
oliv3r: $JOB requirement?
<oliv3r>
Turl: we need nand, i don't wanna use boot0
<mripard>
fiola: it's great that we have things called "search engine" then
<jwktje>
oliv3r: I don't think so either. I've also found the repo from anichips that has some forked branches of Sunxi. I'd imagine that would be enough to do a build. I tried about 20 times. Failed due to various reasons (mainly problems downloading toolchains and probably my incompetence).
<jwktje>
oliv3r: Basically I'm just lost here haha. I googled my ass of for about 2 months and read a shit ton of tutorials. I just can't manage to pull it off. That's why I came on IRC to basically offer my services to anyone that could help me out.
<jwktje>
Maybe someone has a prebuilt image for the PhoenixA20 sitting on their computer, but the chances are probably slim
<oliv3r>
jwktje: ignore that it's from anichips, just treat it as any sunxi device, they are all 'identical' more or less, follow the new_device_howto
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<oliv3r>
jwktje: the only difference between All sunxi devices is the script.bin and the bootloader. rootfs can be all the same
<oliv3r>
the kernel and the modules would be specific to sun4i, sun5i or sun7i
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<jwktje>
Okay so as long as I have the .fex file to make the script.bin and know that the rest needs to be suited for sun7i I should be able to do a build?
<jwktje>
If so my mind would be blown. I hate being a noob at shit, I tell ya :P
<jwktje>
oliv3r: I'm just gonna start fresh and try again. Short question though, when going through the manual build, Is building u-boot enough? Or do I need to go through the additional steps on the U-Boot page as well?
<oliv3r>
jwktje: yeah, or just download any image, and replace script.bin, kernel and u-boot
<oliv3r>
jwktje: also, try the fedora image, it has an installer that installs all those bits fro you :)
<oliv3r>
jwktje: checkout the sunxi-bsp; and just do ./configure and make
<jwktje>
*furiously takes notes*
<jwktje>
oliv3r: Will do, will do! Thanks for being nice to a newcomer :D
<oliv3r>
:)
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<oliv3r>
Turl: any suggestions or ideas?
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<fiola>
mripard: It is indeed good that we have search engines, but they're a mechanism of last resort for when you don't know authoritative sites, or when those sites don't have the specific info you want. Search engines have no domain knowledge about your query, so at best they do dumb pattern matching. It's no surprise that most search results are unrelated to your query, and even when they're related, a lot of the time the info is useless.
<fiola>
That's why people come to domain-specific sites like this channel or the linux-sunxi wiki, because there is high likelihood of the information received being relevant and even accurate.
<fiola>
And that's why companies like Olimex tell customers to come here or the wiki, instead of telling them "to google".
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<apo_>
"I don't know how to do this, so instead of googling for it for five minutes and looking for solutions by myself I'll bother some guy on IRC about it"
<apo_>
aka How To Make Friends Fast!
<fiola>
Oh, that's a new one, people coming here and asking questions is "bothering", is it?
<fiola>
Well some of us try to help instead.
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<fiola>
oliv3r: I don't have a means of reading temperature on my LIME currently, which is why I asked earlier about sensors in A10. I don't have a means on BBB either, but on RasPi I just cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp, which gives the temp in C * 1000.
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