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<Turl>
wens: the other guy that worked with luke for vivaldi
<ssvb>
libv: he is surely free to do whatever he wants
<ssvb>
moreover, their plasma desktop is one of the potential 3d graphics driver users
<libv>
he's not exactly helping plasma with this strategy
<ssvb>
but surely, the way how he sees himself as a kind of the only hope for the "open hardware" is a bit amusing :)
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<libv>
especially given the fact that we make it easy for a lot of people to turn a bog standard chinese mess into a mostly free device
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<libv>
also, it is not plasma that will make the difference there
<Turl>
he could just as well pull a zatab and pay extra for the design to be released
<libv>
it is hw support
<Turl>
surely some factory is going to be extremely happy to do so
<libv>
improv was not oshw
<libv>
anyway, i mailed him to tell him to give up, and instead work on making plasma easy to install on existing hw with the help of linux-$soc communities, and to make noise about how easy that is
<Turl>
iirc improv was "going to be" oshw once they got the investment back from sales
<Turl>
aka "later"
<libv>
he should be focussing on making plasma something people want to replace their androids with
<libv>
anything else will fail
<Turl>
I'd very much like to see gnome rather than kde
<Turl>
but oh well :)
<ssvb>
Turl: there is also enlightenment :)
<ssvb>
and it is also interesting how the enlightenment people happily embrace wayland
<wens>
ssvb: i'm slightly concerned about the sun4/5/7i unification stuff
<ssvb>
wens: why?
<wens>
sun4/7i might be better
<wens>
sun5i would use a different console (uart1) iirc
<wens>
meaning you probably can't use the same binary?
<Turl>
ssvb: I never used it much to comment
<Turl>
but I dislike most kde apps
<libv>
Turl: that's not a discussion we should be having
<libv>
we have our work cut out in other places
<Turl>
libv: sure, I was just saying :)
<Turl>
they're totally valid alternatives if you like them
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<ssvb>
Turl: I mean, because the traditional linux desktop has decided to kind of self-destruct, it is now a good chance for enlightenment to increase their user base :)
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<Turl>
ssvb: I think you typoed evolve :p anyway
<Turl>
ssvb: there's still mate if you like it old-school
<ssvb>
Turl: people have their habits and normally don't like to change them, so a big shakeup like a transition to wayland gives a chance to the underdogs
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* Turl
should get back to patches :)
<ssvb>
Turl: yeah, there are still plenty of alternatives, which will gradually get more broken as the underlying graphics stack changes
<Turl>
wens: I found a couple of warnings on your code
<ssvb>
wens: about the sun4i/sun5i/sun7i unification, it is mostly about a very basic mmc support
<ssvb>
wens: the ones who can use the serial console, also can usually compile u-boot themselves and pick the right config
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<fossxplorer>
Hello folks
<fossxplorer>
what's a good ARM device to run simple Linux tasks with nowadays?
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<ccaione>
you are in #linux-sunxi soooooooo ....
<plaes>
:D
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<fossxplorer>
Do you only support Allwinner SoCs?
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<ccaione>
the topic says so
<libv>
Turl: why?
<libv>
fossxplorer: check our wiki.
<fossxplorer>
Cool thx.
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<libv>
pfff, aseigo really wants to go again :(
<ccaione>
replied to your email?
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<libv>
yeah
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<wens>
and that is bad?
<Flashtek>
aside from the cubietruck, are you aware of another board that has onboard WiFi and Bluetooth, ideally with an external aerial connector?
<libv>
wens: how easy is it to install a linux on a10/a13/a20 devices?
<libv>
we would say: it's very easy
<libv>
how easy is it to get a tablet optimized installation on a sunxi device?
<libv>
the answer is, no-one really does it
<libv>
one would think that, with free software tablets being generally available (they just need to get reinstalled), why try to sell a free software tablet without android to the supposed waiting masses, when at most you will be selling to the choir
<libv>
why is this effort not spent showing people how easy it is to get plasma active on their existing tablets?
<libv>
surely that is the better long term strategy
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<libv>
we've had spark, then vivaldi (even though to aseigo they were one and the same, i have the same hw that the spark was supposed to be, as that was my first mali-400 device), which never materialized
<libv>
then improv, which offered nothing more than what cubieboard was offering
<libv>
sure, the module, but that isn't a feature if only a mother-device is out there
<libv>
and there was pengpod in between which made a lot of waves but in essence was just someone trying to make a quick buck off of sunxi and cheap chinese hw
<libv>
each time, peoples confidence shrinks
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<libv>
and to some extent, these failures reflect back on us
<libv>
so why not spend time on making more people install a tablet oriented system on their tablets, instead of selling them specialized tablets? it seems like there is a lot more to gain there
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<libv>
but that gain would of course not be for a single business, it doesn't hold the promise of a new empire
<ssvb>
libv: is he still going to keep using the allwinner soc in his next attempt?
<libv>
who knows
<ssvb>
libv: probably he understands that he can't make money just on the free software, so selling the hardware is a way to make business
<libv>
ssvb: but only if you actually manage to sell the hw
<libv>
and that's just no longer realistic
<ssvb>
perhaps he could sell mugs and t-shirts, this worked for the raspberry pi :)
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<libv>
no-one will buy a rebadged chinese device anymore, i am amazed that it actually somewhat worked for pengpod the first time round
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<libv>
if there truly was a market for that sort of thing, then pengpod would've been succesfull the second time round as well
<libv>
the first time he got lucky to find the 1000 or so idiots to buy into it
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<libv>
but no, i doubt that sunxi will be used again, alternatives are there as well
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<dack>
Flashtek: The MK808C has internal wifi and bluetooth. There are drivers for it, but I've had issues with them. No external antenna.
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<faddat>
Hi so who in here is in China, or better still, Chinese? I've lived in China for 2 years (teaching US History) and recently (3 weeks ago) moved to Shenzhen to create an edtech company. Basically, I want to know if anyone can explain to me the logic behind "sell you access to our kernel drivers"
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<faddat>
I've seen it in so many hardware firms now, just.... baffling. Even ones who seem to get the advantages of openness.
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<libv>
they cannot sell you access.
<libv>
they can charge for making it physically available
<libv>
but that's not really of this time
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<libv>
and that part of the gpl really should get updated
<libv>
we have the interweb now
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<faddat>
indeed love that interweb :)
<faddat>
So-- they think they're complying with GPL when saying that?
<libv>
yes, and in some interpretations of the gpl, they might be right
<faddat>
I'm just trying to understand-- Shenzhen is an amazing geek paradise. That tablet you were talking about.... I'm trying to build it actually.
<faddat>
In fact
<faddat>
since I just read your IRC log, seems some folks show up here without introducing themselves or what they're trying to do.
<faddat>
I'm Jake & I'm trying to create a line of open hardware / open software tech products of every stripe.
<faddat>
I did tech integrated classes, and I realized that all of the tools that could be used for teaching were fundamentally broken because they couldn't be properly fiddled/tinkered with.
<faddat>
The concept of the classes was to teach History as an information problem and along the way give students a much better than average understanding of how tech worked & why it's transforming the world.
<faddat>
I picked up two dev boards today from Merrii. Haven't begun the toying yet, though.
<libv>
faddat: work through our new device howto first and foremost
<faddat>
oh!
<faddat>
Where's that?
<faddat>
:)
<faddat>
Wiki"?
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<libv>
where else?
<faddat>
:)
<faddat>
Before I go I'd like to share my overall vision/concept as an image.... 1 second
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<faddat>
Anyway I'm making it public because I want it to happen, so if you want to grab something from it & own it, by all means, do so-- I do hope that you'll see the value in the network business model and choose to define a way to affiliate but even if you didn't, I wouldn't worry about it much because everything here is good for the world as a whole.
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<libv>
hrm, i need to test this uboot stuff on a10s, but the only a10s i have is one with the bad layout for the uart pins
* libv
will have some fun with that one :(
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<nove>
Turl: see, in the maillist a good example of what happens when things are posted public before been ready
<nove>
want to make it work, but are totally clueless of what are trying to make it work
<Turl>
libv: I have an A10S olinuxino around here
<Turl>
the SD card is half bad, but if you really need it I can give it a spin
<Turl>
nove: the guy who is really appreciated? :)