<Lumocolor>
right size but it's a10, I was hoping for a20 1gbram yum yum
<Lumocolor>
but thansk for the pointer
<Lumocolor>
this is why we need emoa-68 to succeed rhombus-tech.net and makeplaylive.com I've pre-ordered my improv but then need more sales to ramp in to production, otherwise I would have my improv by now, so I've been looking into alternatives for the mean time
<Lumocolor>
then=they
<Turl>
the idea is cool on paper, but their execution has been poor so far
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<Lumocolor>
Turl: they need help with markecting/promotion the product(s), the hardware is done and working or needs that final push (ie the tablet case to be finished which I think was going to be done with money from selling improvs)
<Lumocolor>
there problem is people not going "HERES MY MONEY!!! take it!"
<Lumocolor>
which is becuase they don't get it unless the have a 1to1 chat for 40mins
<Lumocolor>
I'd say they have delivered in hardware and by the looks of it software, unlike other projects. and unlike other projects no built in future doom :)
<wens>
Turl: as I've said before, some of the power used doesn't go through the AXP
<wens>
it really depends on the board layout
<Lumocolor>
so it's really frustrating for me to see it frozen in time
<Lumocolor>
axp?
<Turl>
wens: meles must have shady layouts then :p
<Turl>
Lumocolor: yeah, and I can think of a couple of reasons why people don't go all "take my money now!11"
<Lumocolor>
Turl: please tell me, I'd love to know
<Turl>
like, what's the point of it if you then want to upgrade the rest of the components of the system
<Lumocolor>
arr yes keep going and....
<Turl>
by the time your tablet feels slow they'll be 4K ones with better battery tech and a new wifi standard
<Lumocolor>
keep going....
<Turl>
brb, dinner :)
<Lumocolor>
ok you need to bear in mind that emoa-*68* is for low cost not for super super cutting edge. emoa-*cf* is your highend compact cutting edge one
<Lumocolor>
ok bed for me
<Lumocolor>
wifi can be a mini express card which is what they have done in the tablet.
<Lumocolor>
lowcost != 4k hehe
<Turl>
low cost devices nowadays have 720p screens
<Turl>
time will tell :)
<wens>
Turl: all devices do :p
<Lumocolor>
and emoa-68 goes up to 1080
<Turl>
Lumocolor: little margin there
<Turl>
Lumocolor: good night :)
<Turl>
dinner time for me
<Lumocolor>
3am for me! I should go to bed
<Turl>
wens: I'll be plotting A, mW and C with munin
<Turl>
(why is it mW? the script expected W :p)
<Lumocolor>
for small devices you really want emoa-cf other wise your using pricy conterver IC's for small high res screens, but eoma-68 is half the size of emoa-68 so you relly want to be using that for small devices.
<Lumocolor>
as for upgrading the rest of the components usb2 is going to be around of 1 more decade, only wifi & bluetooth needs to be upgradable. emoa-68 is only for ten years then it gets replaced/updated
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<Lumocolor>
with emoa-68 small,tiny markets like a budget pocket computer can be fullfilled wheres before they couldn't and with money rasied from emoa-68 sales you can have your fancy hign end emoa-cf device of your dreams
<Lumocolor>
the emoa standards serve the poor and help the poor and the rich at the same time
<Lumocolor>
right bed for me. I'll get back to your replys, if any at some point. thanks for all your help
<wens>
bbrezillon: it seems the standard A31 design has VCC_PF and VCC_SDMMC fixed at 3.0V
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<wens>
compile testing a23 kernel
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<Turl>
wens: you got a working uboot? :)
<wens>
seems like the new driver for this merge window are scattered in different trees
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<wens>
I'm having trouble hunting them all down
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<Turl>
wens: sunxi-devel :p
<Turl>
or -next :)
<wens>
Turl: basic u-boot was merged :) I just have trouble fitting it in with mmc boot0
<wens>
-next is missing a few things, such as mfd I think
<wens>
-devel has a couple old patches
<Skaag>
does that cedar functionality on those ARM SoC's also do compression or just decompression?
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<wens>
it supports some types of compression
<Wizzup>
Lumocolor: I got sound on the LIME
<Wizzup>
just connect three pins and change the .fex
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<Skaag>
wens: would be wonderful if i can somehow tap into that functionality
<Turl>
Skaag: check the ML, it can be done, but there's some gotchas
<Turl>
gnight :)
<ssvb>
Turl: about HWMON, that's just like wens said, on some boards the AXP may be partially bypassed
<ssvb>
Turl: the hardware, which is designed to run on a battery power is likely to have accurate HWMON reporting
<ssvb>
Turl: at least the A10-Lime and the Cubietruck are good, and the Cubieboard1/Cubieboard2 are bad in this respect :)
<wens>
those 2 boards still have bypasses and step-ups for 5V
<ssvb>
wens: for USB and SATA?
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<wens>
ssvb: that's right
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<wens>
Turl: btw, what happened to the apb1 merge patches? (and other stuff you have in your tree)
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<TuxboxGuru>
anyone know of a good 5" LCD screen that works with a Cubie ?
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<bbrezillon>
wens: okay, then DCDC1 (on the AXP221) can definitely deliver 3,3V, we just have to check that other devices connected to DCDC1 support 3,3V
<wens>
bbrezillon: funny that the reference design specifies 3V, not 3.3V
<bbrezillon>
wens: yes, I was wondering about it too
<bbrezillon>
on the app4-evb1 (the one I'm working on), it's written 3,3V on the schematics but the regulator is configured to deliver 3V
<bbrezillon>
(I guess the bootlaoder configured it this way)
<wens>
bbrezillon: I ment to ask you, do you have the fex file for that board?
<wens>
anyway I'm going to order that A31 hummingbird board, once I clear some shipping details with them
<bbrezillon>
I'm not sure I have (I'm only using DT ATM)
<wens>
bbrezillon: if it has android on the NAND, you should be able to fish out the fex file
<bbrezillon>
I'll take a look (I guess there is a tutorial on the wiki on how to dump the fex file)
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<deasy>
hi i always get weird characters on my console with serial/ttl connection
<deasy>
if someone know how to troubleshot this...
<deasy>
seems than when i active flow control it stops
<deasy>
but everyone say to disable it
<deasy>
with these weird characters i also get command
<deasy>
like at+xxx
<deasy>
i have post it on cubieboard forum but seems no one know what is it
<deasy>
at the beginning i have mind it's maybe bad soldering on the uart pins
<wens>
are you sure nothing else is using the port?
<deasy>
but it seems to be not that
<deasy>
how to be sure ?
<wens>
lsof? ps?
<deasy>
is seems that comes from the prolific
<deasy>
because the device i plug receive the weird characters in the console and try to execute commands
<deasy>
i get these weird characters on minicom and on screen programs
<deasy>
maybe i need to user more actual software
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<deasy>
wens, thank you for trying to help me :p
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<deasy>
also i have see than no matters of what i set in parameters about the flow, minicom display "nor" in the bottom
<deasy>
what is "nor" ? it's not flow control ?
<deasy>
i suppose prolific is not very good for make drivers as i get a BSOD on windows (and i'm not alone when flow control is enabled)
<deasy>
well i need to install a more actual distro and test it
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<deasy>
wens, when you say the port, you mean "/dev/ttyUSB0" ?
<deasy>
plop popolon
<popolon>
plop
<deasy>
yeah at seems modem command
<deasy>
i suppose a trouble with configuration
<wens>
deasy: try to disable it :)
<deasy>
i don't know how to do it and the wiki even don't touch a word about it
<wens>
that's your system doing
<deasy>
maybe a trouble with driver...see after update
<deasy>
as prolific are not good to make driver on windows, i suppose it's same under linux
<deasy>
or worst
<wens>
you shouldn't need a driver under linux
<wens>
the kernel has support for it
<deasy>
ho okay
<deasy>
module pl2303 is loaded
<deasy>
i see something weird
<deasy>
dbus message with "modem-manager on ttyusb1 trying to open and close a serial port in a loop
<deasy>
it stop after several try
<wens>
then get rid of the modem-manager
<deasy>
i remove it
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<deasy>
wens, thank you this little troubleshot have resolve my problem than i have since months
<deasy>
it was probably modem-manager service sending at command and trying to set flow control mode to my pl2303
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<deasy>
wooohooo seems i get a correct connection without trouble now
<deasy>
i prefer it to deffect device
<deasy>
i will post this on the cubie forum
<deasy>
done
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<Lumocolor>
TuxboxGuru: I'm looking for a 5inch lcd too, try aliexpress.com
<Lumocolor>
Wizzup: thanks for the info
<Wizzup>
Lumocolor: I think it's pin 14,16,18 on gpio-1
<Wizzup>
left,ground,right
<Wizzup>
but just check the pdfs
<Lumocolor>
thanks
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<ccaione>
Turl: I'm not using the S802 :(
<Lumocolor>
Wizzup: I assume I will need a headphone amp?.
<Wizzup>
I just soldered it onto a female minijack plug and plugged in my headphone
<Wizzup>
worked fine
<Lumocolor>
Trying to work out if there s spdif in
<Wizzup>
should be
<Lumocolor>
oh right
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<Wizzup>
it = HPL,HPC,HPR
<Lumocolor>
what would it be called in the document
<Wizzup>
there's also a spdif I think, not sure if in
<Lumocolor>
there is spdif (out I'm guessing, )
<Lumocolor>
output
<Lumocolor>
HPOUTL HPCOM HPOUTR
<Lumocolor>
I assume the mic in does not need a external preamp for a typical computer mic
<Wizzup>
think so
<Wizzup>
I need to connect LINEIN as well, soon
<Lumocolor>
I see theres gps pins, how would I hockup a gps too it and would it need any non-free firmware blobs & drivers?
<Lumocolor>
use the olimex module?
<Lumocolor>
a10 manual: On-chip 24-bits ADC for recorder!
<Lumocolor>
I wonder what the noise floor is like ;) :\
<Lumocolor>
Wizzup: whats the nosie like with headphones in with no capacitors?
<Wizzup>
I'm a bit confused (not a pro when it comes to hw), but the sound quality was fine for me
<Lumocolor>
ok, I'm a newbie too.
<Wizzup>
I can take pictures later (in ... several days or more)
<Wizzup>
I want to add LINE IN next
<Wizzup>
So then I can control my led floodlights with music/audio-in
<Wizzup>
I'll be back later
<Lumocolor>
sounds fun
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<Turl>
wens: they're still on my tree
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<tipolosko>
hi :)
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<vector80>
Hi, I have uboot for both my Sdcard and my eMMC, and I optimised them for my board, and compiled perfectly, they are running perfectly also, Thank you soo much for this. However, I wish to display some logo during uboot ( both LCD and/or HDMI), is that possible ? What do I must do to have such feature ?
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<shineworld>
vector80, I'm interested too...
<shineworld>
In android sdk this is done by boot1
<mnemoc>
vector80: allwinner's u-boot has a display driver, fat and awful.
<shineworld>
before to run u-boot
<mnemoc>
iirc there was a project using spatch to extract display drivers from the kernel and making them stand alone
<shineworld>
mnemoc, boot1 is something like spl in uboot chain ?
<shineworld>
this is a boot from nand in which the flow seem: boot0, boot1 which launch u.boot
<mnemoc>
as you can see there boot1 knows nand, and filesystems, etc..
<shineworld>
and the display logo ( a donkey) is show at boot1 level
<mnemoc>
iirc boot1 is a full featured binary of their old RTOS
<mnemoc>
and loading u-boot only for flexibility, not because they actually need it to load the kernel
<shineworld>
by my view point to have a display immediately used is a good thing (so customer don't worry about "work or not work) but I can understand if this is out of u-boot goals
<mnemoc>
you should be able to make the linux kernel display penguins under 2s since power up
<shineworld>
I'm using A10/A20 how HMI (human machine interface) connected with a RTOS board and the boot time of A20 is not a good thing to see.... so a logo can be interesting
<shineworld>
Actually to start Android on nand it take 30 seconds, and in SD (class 10) something like 44s...
<shineworld>
I don't know why NAND, more slow in speed test than SD, is more fast at boot
<mnemoc>
disable android's boot animation and use linux's built in splash thing instead
<shineworld>
removing 3 seconds asked to u-boot they don't are similar
<mnemoc>
and obviusly bootdelay 0 in u-boot
<mnemoc>
you can always CTRL-C your way in anyway
<shineworld>
I know how to disable boot animation but I miss your last suggestion (use linux's built in splash)
<mnemoc>
fb driver built in, and instead of showing penguins show a custom image
<mnemoc>
pnm iirc
<shineworld>
I will search for that on google
<mnemoc>
most of the time android takes to boot is scaning apks
<shineworld>
I've already reduces pre-loaded classes of zygote (just I meet my needed classes)
<shineworld>
the bootle nek at boot is zygote classes pre-loading too
<mnemoc>
the package manager scans the world in it's constructor
<shineworld>
yes... I can put my hands in
<mnemoc>
odd that you want to use a monster like android for an HMI :p
<mnemoc>
all the class and resource preloading is for making runtime of a general purpose javaish mosnter run fluently
<shineworld>
a long story.... but it works fine so.... (I'm a windows programmer and I found more simple to understand Android framework than start from zero with Linux)
<mnemoc>
nothing you really need on an HMI
<mnemoc>
fair enough
<shineworld>
I fell that I'm mistaking the thing... But I don't know where to start with linux and GUI with touchscreens
<vector80>
omg, just see all, let me read
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<tipolosko>
Hi
<shineworld>
If anyone here know some good link on "write your embedded linux app with graphics and touchscreen...." I'm ready to change my vision :)
<vector80>
shineworld, I read all
<vector80>
Let me give you info
<shineworld>
however mnemoc thanks for suggestions I'm searching some info in google
<vector80>
My kernel completes booting in 4.4 seconds
<vector80>
and I complete booting usually in 7 seconds
<shineworld>
wow ... linux ?
<vector80>
my board is INTERRA-3, you can see in sunxi
<vector80>
yes, it is debian
<vector80>
debian wheezy
<vector80>
I am using sunxi uboot and sunxi kernel 3.4.79
<vector80>
I modified 3.4.79 a little, to match my board features
<shineworld>
7 seconds are my paradise in terms of boot time....
<vector80>
paradise?
<shineworld>
dream
<vector80>
I am booting my android in 16 seconds
<shineworld>
sorry bad word
<shineworld>
Please .... describe me how :)
<vector80>
Alright
<vector80>
It is a lonngg story
<vector80>
Shall we speak here, or do you want this in Private messages?
<vector80>
which is good for the community ?
<shineworld>
perhaps is better private to avoid problems with channel
<vector80>
I don't want to fill up the IRC wall
<vector80>
ok
<shineworld>
of course
<vector80>
Lets go priv
<vector80>
oh my god this Xchat can't open a new window
<lauri>
Hi guys
<Lumocolor>
is there any non-free bits in the debian image for the olimex a10 LIME? what other distributions are there and images of debian are there?
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<vector80>
Lumo, basically I have lubuntu, linaro, debian and fedora running on A20
<vector80>
these are just Rootfs, if you have a working uboot and kernel, I think you can use any rootfs you want,
<lauri>
ssvb: so the problem is that realtime clock is not actually used?
<lauri>
since the time is set via I2C?
<ssvb>
lauri: I believe that the RTC battery is just not charging, so you lose your date/time settings after the cold boot
<lauri>
okay
<lauri>
which kernel Git repo I should prefer for CT?
<ssvb>
Lumocolor: it's up to you what software you use, the A10-Lime can surely run without any non-free blobs, but you are not forbidden from using them either
<ssvb>
lauri: what do you want to use it for?
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<lauri>
ssvb: Desktop replacement
<ssvb>
lauri: then it would be sunxi-3.4 for now
<tipolosko>
ssvb: what about mk802 II and server usage? 3.4 also for me? :)
<ssvb>
tipolosko: don't know, you might be already happy with the mainline kernel :)
<tipolosko>
i'll give it a try, also to check if my problem is solved in mainline.. or is definately an hw problem :/
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<vector80>
ssvb, I am trying QT5 in my board now, and I use 3.4.79
<vector80>
I tried building r3p2, but failed
<vector80>
than I tried your kernel, which is 3.4.75
<vector80>
but it is very strange in my board, it reboots 10 seconds after booting
<tipolosko>
is anyone running 3.4 on A10 with usb hub without lockups?
<vector80>
I read wiki, but it doesn't mention about any specific kernel
<vector80>
Does your modifications applied for current 3.4.79 ?