<nuck>
"You have nice pelicans, can I gut your love salmon"
<gq>
nuck: only if you use a very very very sharp knife ;x
<nuck>
kinky
<nuck>
So, Modesto Pride happened today
<gq>
oh? how did that go?
<nuck>
All of the 7 LGBT people in the city were there
<nuck>
Seriously it took up a third of our largest park, kind of sad. Apparently it just changed organizers this year though
<nuck>
They... didn't promote it at all
<nuck>
It was so low-key that they didn't even get protesters
<nuck>
Kind of sad really
<gq>
nuck: yikes
<nuck>
The biggest group was a double-size booth from Amazon Fulfillment. I guess they really like gay people
<gq>
nuck: no, they really like gay MONEY. that's different :P
<nuck>
Nah this was Fulfillment
<nuck>
These are the poor saps who ship your shit
<nuck>
They sent a whole delegation of LGBT people who work in the local warehouse
<gq>
nuck: like i said. they like gay money.
<nuck>
haha
<nuck>
probably true. But it's more likely to work against you in this area
<nuck>
There was all of one church there
<nuck>
Our one LGBT-friendly church
<gq>
nuck: in my town pride is so srs business they get bomb threats
<gq>
x_x;
<nuck>
Literally, we have like 30-40 churches in town and only one is LGBT-friendly
<gq>
nuck: i believe you.
<nuck>
I bet we *would* get bomb threats if anyone knew it was happening
<whitequark>
nuck: yes i like that one
<nuck>
This year I think the local PFLAG ran it
<nuck>
Whereas previously it was organized by a separate org
<nuck>
But perhaps they went bankrupt or something last year, I hear they got rained out
<gq>
nuck: ouch
<nuck>
It was basically like 10 booths, a small stage, and a sad-looking beer garden
<nuck>
Hell, all the local GSAs at the various schools had just pooled into a single booth
<gq>
yikes
<nuck>
One booth, 5 schools' GSAs
<gq>
yeesh.
<nuck>
Except my school, MJC. We didn't even have a booth
<nuck>
I actually tried to find "modesto pride" last night online and failed. There's no real web presence
<gq>
nuck: could be worse - my school expels gay kids
<gq>
nuck: AND it's legal
<nuck>
The previous runners' website just says "we're gone"
<gq>
nuck: because private religious academy. :[
<nuck>
Yowch
<gq>
well, i mean, high school
<gq>
not university.
<nuck>
We're legally mandated to respect transpeople
* gq
nods
<nuck>
Which is pretty cool
<nuck>
They can use their chosen bathroom
<nuck>
By state law
<gq>
good.
<nuck>
Funny thing, it was a super-conservative hardcore-christian bush-loving NRA member teacher in high school who taught me some of the most progressive things in LGBT stuff
<nuck>
Like, he was the one who told all students that gender =/= sex
<gq>
nuck: i was that kid in HS.
<gq>
nuck: in HS i didn't know trans/intersex people were a thing, i thought they were just confused gay people.
<gq>
nuck: isn't that so so so fucking sad?
<gq>
x_x;
<nuck>
lolllll
<purr>
lolllll
<nuck>
I didn't really know transpeople fully until I was... 18ish
<nuck>
Met a whole floatilla of them on IRC
<gq>
nuck: i'm possibly not genetically female and uh yeah.
<whitequark>
possibly?
<gq>
nuck: i believe my parents may have given consent to nonconsensual genital surgery on me when i was a child
<gq>
whitequark: there is evidence i have a chromosomal disorder that presents oddly.
<whitequark>
why not just get tested?
<gq>
whitequark: expensive.
<whitequark>
oh, right, USA
<nuck>
Just suck ELLIOTTCABLE's dick until he pays for you to get 23andme
<whitequark>
23andme does it for like thirty bucks
<gq>
whitequark: testing for chromosomes is usually a spinal tap & insurances don't like to pay for it. me saying BUT DOCTOR I HAVE SUICIDAL GENITAL DYSPHORIA WHENEVER I GET MY PERIOD wouldn't stand up to my insurance.
<gq>
whitequark: really? oh shit
* gq
googles immediately
<whitequark>
spinal tap? sounds extreme
<nuck>
Yeah I heard that test goes to 11
<gq>
whitequark: i might be a chimera or something
<whitequark>
well
<whitequark>
*shrug*
<purr>
¯\(º_o)/¯
<whitequark>
get it checked
<nuck>
gq: I'd be unsurprised to find you're not entirely human
<nuck>
It just... "fits"
<whitequark>
iirc there is a cheap-ish way to check for chimerism as well
<gq>
nuck: lol online sometimes i tell people i'm half Faerie/djinn on my father's side ;)
<purr>
lol
<gq>
whitequark: oh, i'm sure there is :)
<nuck>
looool
<whitequark>
gq: ever been pregnant?
<nuck>
I know somebody on another IRC net who identifies as a faerie
<gq>
nuck: i'm actually genetically related to the French royal family.
<gq>
whitequark: i had a miscarriage in August.
<nuck>
gq: Damn yo
<whitequark>
gq: ah, so that won't work
<gq>
nuck: google Boisverts and then Huguenots
<whitequark>
well, not reliably
<nuck>
I know Huguenots
<gq>
nuck: kk.
<gq>
nuck: without travelling, the relatives i can reliably trace on paper are the Boisverts from France, otherwise known as the GREENWOODS which is hilarious because ROBIN HOOD YO
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: LOOK IT'S GQ'S SPIRITUAL BELIEFS INNA SONG
<BaronSamedi>
8D
<nuck>
that was a good film
<nuck>
I should rewatch it
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: it really was. racist as shit (only black princess has to WORK for her prince/castle? okay.jpg disney) but still heh
<nuck>
I think it was more an unlucky combination of trying out princess-who-worked-for-it at the same time they tried out minority-princess.
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: true.
<nuck>
Like, two great things
<nuck>
But combined it can come off racist
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: so true.
<nuck>
The end of the golden era brought some wonderful questioning of classic disney
<nuck>
Mulan probably the start of that... A girl who can whoop ass, hell yeah
<nuck>
(which degraded into romance)
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: i consider that one of my top 5 best disney films.
<whitequark>
disney, ew.
<nuck>
Me too
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: and yeah i kind of wish they'd (spoilers!) done a frozen & had no boy follow her home
<whitequark>
i wish it never existed
<BaronSamedi>
although i guess frozen choked on that too
<BaronSamedi>
seeing as elsa technically isn't the hero
<BaronSamedi>
which she goddamn well should be
<nuck>
Frozen just choked in general
<nuck>
Miserable flop of a film
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: it really, really, really did.
<nuck>
Well
<whitequark>
i loathe everything there is about disney's style of storytelling and animation
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: i mean, it's like a glass ornament: pretty, but no heart.
<nuck>
Financially successful
<nuck>
BaronSamedi: Not even that
<nuck>
It was poorly animated too
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: reminds me of brave, you can tell that the heart was lost around the 3rd rewrite
<BaronSamedi>
i mean
<BaronSamedi>
at least they didn't set merida up with some man
<BaronSamedi>
but still
<BaronSamedi>
:/
<nuck>
Tangled had that too
<BaronSamedi>
GOD yes
<BaronSamedi>
thank god they kept the abusive mother figure
<BaronSamedi>
and mother gothel dying
<nuck>
Tangled looked so promising in early drafts
<BaronSamedi>
i was afraid they'd disneyfy that
<nuck>
The animation oh my god
<BaronSamedi>
lol
<purr>
lol
<nuck>
The original animation plans involved rotoscoping over CGI
<nuck>
Using oil painting style
<nuck>
It was *gorgeous*
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: i'm kind of glad they've gone the glen keane way again but i also wish they'd wake up & smell the 21st century
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: yeah :D
<nuck>
It ended up just being boring CGI
<nuck>
I mean, sure, it was pretty, but it wasn't *nearly* as pretty as it was supposed to be
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: i think it was beautiful CGI but...yeah
<nuck>
A lot of recent disney has suffered from this "good but not quite incredible" thing
<nuck>
Like, they'd start out with something incredible and then cause it to be just "good"
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: like firing Brave's original director/writer?
<nuck>
Yeah
<nuck>
Lots of mistakes like that
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: i've still only been able to watch that film once.
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: the parental issues thing hit a little too close to home
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: saw it in theatres with D for his 25th birthday
<BaronSamedi>
i'm lucky i was in a good frame of mind at the time
<BaronSamedi>
i was totally unprepared
<BaronSamedi>
emotionally speaking.
<nuck>
I've seen it twice. I like it, I think it's one of the best disney films in recent years
<BaronSamedi>
i hate it when i end up sobbing uncontrollably in a theatre X_x
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: i'm definitely one of those people who takes films "too seriously" or whatever
<BaronSamedi>
:/
<nuck>
haha
<BaronSamedi>
xP
<nuck>
Speaking of things disney fucked up massively: the remodel of California Adventure's entrance
<BaronSamedi>
no idea
<BaronSamedi>
i've only been to cali once and my baptist parents were boycotting disney at the time
<nuck>
They recreated the 1920s and 30s
<nuck>
Like, to a T
<BaronSamedi>
so we went to legoland and the san diego zoo
<nuck>
it's incredible
<BaronSamedi>
and the jelly belly factory
<BaronSamedi>
but that was it.
<nuck>
They took a pathetic unthemed area called "Sunshine Plaza"
<nuck>
And turned it into a recreation of the area disney studios was in in the 1920s
<BaronSamedi>
oh
<BaronSamedi>
how
<BaronSamedi>
boring
<BaronSamedi>
x_x;
<nuck>
It's gorgeous, and it feels *real*
<nuck>
They put in so much effort to give every storefront a backstory
<nuck>
Every single item in a store's display was intentionally chosen for that
<nuck>
And then... Disney marketing came in and placed the same disney merch in all these windows
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: disney's always been that way
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: it's magic because the employees believe in it.
<nuck>
Nah, California Adventure was never like that
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: but the corporation ruins it.
<nuck>
California Adventure was basically "we need a park on short notice"
<nuck>
(in fact that's actually the backstory of the park -- they were originally gonna recreate EPCOT in California, but that fell through and they had to come up with a new park in a month)
<nuck>
CA had no magic
<nuck>
Literally, people only went to California Adventure for about 4 attractions: California Screamin' (which was broken 90% of the time), Soarin' over California, and Grizzly River Run.
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: interesting
<nuck>
Most just the latter 3, in fact. It was a disaster. They moved parades and everything over to it because they needed people to go there
<nuck>
They made a smart move and put a starbucks in the park a year or two ago, which helped a lot too :D
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: man, the parades are so great. i have rips of the parade songs live
<nuck>
I have recordings of every single ride in the park :p
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: same haha
<nuck>
Space Mountain music? Hell yeah
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: what i wanna do for like...our 15th anniversay or something? is reserve like a honeymoon suite at one of the affiliated parks, and take D there. he's never even BEEN to cali :D
<nuck>
hahaha
<whitequark>
wow 15th
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: i mean i'll do it sooner if i can afford it but i want like a weeklong trip. take every ride multiple times, get all the merch we both want
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: you know, that kind of thing
<nuck>
hahaha
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: we've been together 4 years! 2 year anniversary tomorrow
<nuck>
Yes I know that
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: going to silverwood. we got free tix :D
<nuck>
I bet you can get it earlier
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: probably :)
<whitequark>
BaronSamedi: oh.
<nuck>
A week would probably be 1-2k
<nuck>
Including hotel and food
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: yeah and that's like...our tax return
<nuck>
Maybe a bit more
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: so, we could do that in like 2 years if i pushed him into it :)
<nuck>
doooooitttttt
<BaronSamedi>
nuck :D
<nuck>
Protip though: get there at opening, RUN to space mountain and get a fastpass
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: i actually have family in Vacaville, CA
<nuck>
Or one of the other fastpass rides
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: so if i need to i can always get like
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: beg them for a spare room
<BaronSamedi>
yanno
<BaronSamedi>
family shit :P
<nuck>
haha
<BaronSamedi>
FREELOADING.JPG
<nuck>
It's usually cheaper to just stay nearby
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: my aunt fucking loves me and she's met D in person like, once, at the wedding
<nuck>
Parking is expensive
<BaronSamedi>
nuck yeah
<whitequark>
BaronSamedi: ... wedding
<nuck>
Last time we went that (in December) we stayed at some travelodge under an overpass
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: ...yes?
<whitequark>
holy crap people still do them?
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: my parents paid for that. they spent ONE THOUSAND FUCKING DOLLARS on a white dress
<nuck>
It was so dirt cheap and we walked to the parking structure and took the tram into the park
<whitequark>
...
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: O_O;
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: i wanted to buy like
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: a black dress
<BaronSamedi>
becuase virginity?
<BaronSamedi>
LOLNOPE.JPG
<purr>
LOLNOPE
<BaronSamedi>
xD
<nuck>
lol
<nuck>
BaronSamedi: Buy a red dress and call it the "red wedding"
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: oh jesus
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: fuck that
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: you KNOW karma would come to get me and like
<nuck>
I don't even know GoT
<whitequark>
no, buy a white dress
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: one of my relatives would be like
<whitequark>
and murder everyone
<nuck>
And I can reference that
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: HELLO, I'M THE NEW TED BUNDY
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: and murderrape erryone to death at the reception
<whitequark>
that's the PROPER way to do a red wedding
<BaronSamedi>
x_X;
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: well i wasn't paying for it so we didn't even have alcohol or dancing :( stupid baptists
<nuck>
BaronSamedi: You could invite George R.R. Martin to your wedding, to kill people
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: lel
<BaronSamedi>
please
<BaronSamedi>
i'd rather do a Daenerys wedding
<whitequark>
nuck: pen is mightier than sword, and all that
<BaronSamedi>
IF THREE PEOPLE HAVEN'T DIED IN THE END
<nuck>
penis mightier than a sword
<BaronSamedi>
IT AIN'T LUCKY
<nuck>
yep
* BaronSamedi
cackles
<BaronSamedi>
BLOOD AND FIRE.
<nuck>
BLOOD AND THUNDER
* whitequark
pours blood over gq
* whitequark
sets gq on fire
* BaronSamedi
slashes her wrist open & sets the resulting blood on fire with a little gas & a match
* whitequark
dances around
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: bitch i ain't gq, i'm the BaronSamedi
<whitequark>
ohhh setting blood on fire
<BaronSamedi>
HOUDON LORD OF DE DEAD
<whitequark>
that reminds me
* BaronSamedi
sets the fire out with a rain of blood
<nuck>
HOUDONI
* BaronSamedi
sets whitequark on fire
<whitequark>
BaronSamedi: have you ever read Zelazny's books?
* BaronSamedi
slashes whitequark's throat open
<whitequark>
The Nine Princes of Amber
* BaronSamedi
drinks the result
* BaronSamedi
laughs with bloody teeth and lips
<nuck>
"The Great Houdoni" -- like some knockoff houdini
* BaronSamedi
fixes whitequark up & sends him on his way
<BaronSamedi>
nice nuck xD
<whitequark>
it's a pretty great series
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: nope :) i hear good things tho
<whitequark>
do it
<whitequark>
go read it nao
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: my book list is taller than you are mate
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: i'll get to it in time :P
<whitequark>
i said nao.
<nuck>
iktf
* BaronSamedi
slaps white
<BaronSamedi>
BITCH DON' TELL ME WHAT TA DO
<BaronSamedi>
jaysus
<BaronSamedi>
:P
* whitequark
adds Zelazny to the head of BaronSamedi's book list
<nuck>
I've told my mom that if she wants me to read Game of Thrones she's gotta buy them for my kindle
<whitequark>
BaronSamedi: I don't tell you what to do
* BaronSamedi
burns the paper the list is on
<whitequark>
I make you do whatever I want
* BaronSamedi
pins whitequark down
* BaronSamedi
uses cold iron to nail his balls to the floor
<whitequark>
as if that's gonna stop me
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: no 1, don't you ever tell me what to do
<whitequark>
pff, balls. never needed them anyway
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: no 2, don't you EVER tell me what to do
<nuck>
Balls suck
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: no 3, we don't fucking talk about fight club
<nuck>
Miserable little things
* whitequark
laughs
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: no 4: I'M NOT TYLER DURDEN, I'M MARLA SINGER
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: no 5, sit down, keep your hands & arms inside the cart, and
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: rule 6, ENJOY THE RUDE MUDDAFUCKA
* BaronSamedi
laughs wildly
<whitequark>
BaronSamedi: no
<whitequark>
as in
<whitequark>
simply, no.
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: yes, as in yes
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: as in FUCK YOU, SHUT UP, I'M RUNNIN' THIS, LET'S GO
<BaronSamedi>
8D
<nuck>
whitequark: Rule 7: permanecer sentados, por favor
<whitequark>
your confidence is adorable
<whitequark>
not that it changes anything
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: i'm not Gabrielle. Gabrielle is gone. there is only Samedi.
<whitequark>
sure, whatever
* BaronSamedi
grabs whitequark by the throat
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: listen to me
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: i'm telling you stories
<nuck>
BaronSemitic
<BaronSamedi>
whitequark: :)
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: shhhhh
<BaronSamedi>
nuck: i only got jew hair, but i ain' really jewish.
* BaronSamedi
smiles
<nuck>
with your magic jew powers
<BaronSamedi>
PFF
<BaronSamedi>
all the powers i got i got in 2009
<whitequark>
BaronSamedi: listening
<BaronSamedi>
when i had my first psychotic break
<BaronSamedi>
and i broke up with my rapist.
<nuck>
(except they don't work on the sabbath, because that'd be unorthodox)
<BaronSamedi>
my 3rd eye was opened by force.
<BaronSamedi>
that's all you need ta know, whitequark. same spring i met ELLIOTTCABLE.
* BaronSamedi
grins
<BaronSamedi>
as they say, THAT'S ALL SHE WROTE, NICKAS
* BaronSamedi
slams the book closed & laughs wildly
<nuck>
gq: Can they really call it a theme park when it doesn't have a theme?
<whitequark>
never seen a theme park in my life
<gq>
nuck: the theme is OMG OMG OMG WE HAVE THE LICENSE FOR GARFIELD OMG OMG OMG ask ELLIOTTCABLE we took him there when he visited :)
<gq>
nuck: he spent like $300 in the candy shop alone :D
<nuck>
oh god
<gq>
lol
<purr>
lol
<nuck>
that sounds terrifying. Elliott is already weird enough without candy
<whitequark>
elliottcandy
<gq>
nuck: also he ran my sisterinlaw's wheelchair into my ankle and made me say FUCK YOU in front of like 300 kids
<gq>
nuck: i'm lucky some idaho dad didn't punch me out ^_^;
<whitequark>
... people seriously avoid swearing in front of kids?
<gq>
whitequark: yes lol
<whitequark>
surely they realize their kids are probably better at it than they themselves
<nuck>
Welome to America
<nuck>
We're prudes
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
gq: OH NY GOD
<nuck>
We're not hard russian folks like you
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
gq: THAT WAS THE FUDGE, RIGHT
<nuck>
Drinking vodka from the age of three
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
gq: and the baseball cap
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wasn't it silver or something?
<gq>
also nuck, whitequark, TRUE STORY: ELLIOTTCABLE bought a CHOCOLATES OF THE WORLD at costco? left them at our apartment? ONE MONTH AFTER HE LEFT, I ATE ONE, AND HAD TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL. I ALMOST DIED. $500 E.R. BILL
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: YES THE FUDGE
<whitequark>
gq: theobromine poisoning?
<nuck>
THIS JUST IN ELLIOTTCABLE KILLED GQ
<gq>
lol
<gq>
whitequark: no, hazelnuts.
<whitequark>
ah
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
gq: WHAT
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
gq: I ALMOST KILLED YOU I FORGOT ABOUT
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: yes you idiot, lel
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: how many times you killer her ... a little
<whitequark>
killed*
<gq>
whitequark: at least that one time.
<gq>
whitequark: i threw up like 3 times and the allergy meds weren't working
<gq>
whitequark: so i went to the hospital and got like 3 IVs
<whitequark>
gq: no it was a lewd joke based on english-french wordplay
<gq>
whitequark: i was high for days
<gq>
whitequark: i know ;x
<gq>
whitequark: and the answer is.........................................at least six little deaths
<gq>
AT LEAST
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: idk how many times did i tell you i came when we were cybering in 2009?
<whitequark>
did you TELL him or did you really
<gq>
whitequark: oh no, i really.
<gq>
whitequark: this was when ELLIOTTCABLE was still a virgin and not the manslut we know & love today.
<gq>
:3
<whitequark>
sure, but nothing is as enjoyable as piling more and more crippling self-doubt on top of ec
<gq>
whitequark: lol i love you when you're mean~
<purr>
lol
<gq>
whitequark: wat.
<purr>
beep.
<nuck>
ahahahaha
<gq>
there we go
<gq>
lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
OH
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
MY GOD
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I FORGOT ABOUT CALEB
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
he tried to hold my hand.
<whitequark>
w .. what
<whitequark>
who is caleb
<whitequark>
is he a ghost
<whitequark>
he's totally a ghost.
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: protip: caleb is alex these days. she's a trans woman.
<gq>
whitequark: no alex is my sister in law :D
<whitequark>
k
<whitequark>
so she is a ghost
<whitequark>
i see.
<gq>
whitequark: no, she's alive
<whitequark>
not mutually exclusive
<gq>
whitequark: she just turned 22? this year, i think
<gq>
whitequark: oh, well in that case, yes, she taught me everything i know about being a Witch/pagan
<gq>
whitequark: so yes. totally a ghost.
<gq>
^_^
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<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: like the film, i assume. idk context
<gq>
-search wall-e
<gq>
-find wall-e
<purr>
gq: Could not find `wall-e`.
<gq>
ah
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<vil> I don't actually wear my rug much anymore
<nuck>
Nobody knows what that video means
<nuck>
Naked russian juggaloes
<nuck>
>n the Chinese character 媽 mā "mother", the left part is the radical 女 nǚ "female". In this case the radical is also a semantic classifier, while the right part, 馬 mǎ "horse", is a phonetic component.
<nuck>
I love the Chinese language
<nuck>
The only language where "mother" could sanely be derived from "female" and "horse"
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: hey, I'll try it in a bit
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: oh! hi!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: no need, I'm awake. let's use any time you want to spend on me, talking paws instead
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
:P
<nuck>
oh god paws talk
* nuck
flees and hides behind gq
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nuck: )=
<nuck>
ELLIOTTCABLE: Call me when paws is a mature language I can promote as "the next fad after node.js"
<nuck>
Wait no that's already taken by Go and Rust... okay, the next next fad
<devyn>
… after Ruby, after Java, after C++
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lol
<purr>
lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
not gonna happen >:
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nuck: Paws is largely dead. and although NLP is interesting-and-promising, I don't think I have the fortitude to start and then finish *another* giant language-project, so that'll likely go nowhere.
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: not with that attitude
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it's just an idle hobby at this point
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: if you hire me as your PR person i will get Paws into the right hands
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: otherwise, nope.jpg
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
or, more accurately, quickly becoming a portfolio piece :P
<gq>
ah
<gq>
that's fair i suppose
<nuck>
I wouldn't put that in your portfolio
* gq
cuddles nuck
<nuck>
You'll scare recruiters off
<nuck>
They'll be like "oh god what have you done"
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I have an extra copy of Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix
<nuck>
And then burn your resume
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: okay, so, the main issue is that it's important for executions to be able to do whatever they need to do and prevent other things from trying to call them while they're doing it
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
on vinyl
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
somehow
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
if somebody wants that o_O
<nuck>
ooooh the album?
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: this is impossible right now.
<nuck>
Wasnt that phoenix's debut >_>
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: so, your primarily Paws-is-broken argument is the resumption-chain interruption stuff?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nuck: think so, yes
<nuck>
Oh no their fourth, hah
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh okay >,>
<nuck>
Good album though, I have it in FLAC :D
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: pretty much. a big thing is even if we were to try to do this with responsibility, we would have to be able to remove ownership on ourselves while simultaneously unstaging and moving to a point where we could accept the next argument
* ELLIOTTCABLE
reads that twice
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that sounds trivial, if I read it right; but I don't see how it helps
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
could have a native to do that
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but. hold on a sec.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so, regarding that problem, in general.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
first off, it looks to me like a *general* solution to that, a refactoring of the language to … basically make calls more first-class and stable as a whole, is totally do-able. Not that big a deal.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
while still staying less radical than NLP.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
stuff like idk ‘holes.’
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but, second … even more importantly, I don't believe it's as world-shatteringly bad as you think it is.
<gq>
i agree with ELLIOTTCABLE
<gq>
the lang isn't bad
<gq>
it's not bad at all
<gq>
i find Paws beautiful, in fact
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Even if none of the vague fixes that're fluttering around my head now that we're talking about it were to work out at all, I'm not convinced it's a problem that makes Paws completely non-viable
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and here's why:
<gq>
i've read all the github commits & etc
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
except in specific, relatively uncommon/strange calling-patterns, it's a non-issue.
<gq>
the lang is just DIFFERENT
<gq>
and that in programming communities is death
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
*because* there's so much clone-and-calling everywhere, instead of direct-calling, it's relatively rare that A) two people will have a handle on the *same execution* (instead of having two different clones of it in the first place), **and** will want to advance it *without cloning*.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
okay.
<gq>
because programmers value tradition & conformity.
<gq>
this is bad.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so, those two said:
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE, the proglang community NEEDS Paws desperately.
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: please keep it up.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
gq: am listening to you, btw, just finishing up a train of thought @devyn
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: i believe in you <3
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so, those two said,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I do want to say, I don't *like* the second. Because, as much as we can ‘avoid’ the problem by avoiding direct-resumption … that also *avoids* some subset of Paws' beauty / power.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
clone-and-call may actually be the most common and useful pattern, and it may not have that problem, but it's also just damn boring.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
as evidenced by the fact that *all the other* approaches are the ones I show off when somebody asks what Paws is :P
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: agreed. boredom is death to a lang.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: so. just wanted to share my thoughts there.
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: i can always tell when i'm learning a new lang when the dev got bored & just copied something
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: it's boring as fuq & usually sends me RIGHT to sleep.
<nuck>
Do you even program gq
<gq>
nuck: yes.
<nuck>
newstome
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: agreed, or do you think I'm missing something? do you see what I mean about the problem being easy to avoid? and secondly, do you see the actual solutions I see — stuff like first-classing resumptions/holes, or first-classing call-patterns themselves?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nuck: really?
<gq>
nuck: i've done 6 exploits that could get me thrown in jail for 50 years in america.
<gq>
nuck: *removes black hat*
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nuck: she's … a Sometimes Programmer™, afaik
<gq>
nuck: i mean uh, no
<gq>
nuck: i never program
<nuck>
lol
<purr>
lol
<gq>
nuck: i heard on fox news that programmers are all criminals >.>;
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and bash is a bug
<nuck>
I've seen worse. I know a guy on another network who DDOSed girls on Twitch.tv until they sent him nudes
<nuck>
He got raided by the FBI and we all laughed our asses off
<nuck>
Best of all he had stolen CC card info on his laptop
<nuck>
Unencrypted
<nuck>
So totally getting buttfucked in prison
<gq>
nuck: good. i hope they don't use any lube & he has to learn the ins & outs of anal sex the way i did: quickly.
<gq>
:[
<nuck>
anal sex is fun :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I imagine the ‘in’ was the only quick part.
<nuck>
things in butt = a good night
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
… that was insensitive. >,>
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: actually the in wasn't because i have a very tight asshole
<gq>
nuck: anal rape = bad night
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I truly, truly, truly love programming.
<nuck>
Yeah I'd imagine so
<joelteon>
classic nuck
<joelteon>
oh
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and, honestly, CoffeeScript is so … excellent to use.
<joelteon>
gq said that
<gq>
nuck: luckily my rapist was too Catholic to make any 'serious' attempts at fucking either my cunt or my ass
<joelteon>
classic gq
<gq>
nuck: skullfucking though? he was all about that
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it's got so much that I love about ruby. I want to hate it so bad, but, it grows on me.
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: well it still needs to be atomic. pseudocode: { disown self; set local "a" to [unstage] }. as soon as that execution disowns itself I'm no longer blocked from call-patterning it but that doesn't mean it's evaluated to the [unstage] part yet, which is where it really must be
<gq>
DAMN YOU TAYLOOOOOOOOOOOOOR
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and then I get to do JS stuff.
<gq>
etc
<nuck>
gq: "What would Jesus do?" "Well, probably skullfuck people."
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nuck: “"What would Jesus do?" "Well, probably skullfuck people."” wat.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
damnit.
<gq>
nuck: "what would jesus do?" "probably have the disciples run a train on his ass while eating Mary Magdalene out"
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nuck: “'What would Jesus do?' 'Well, probably skullfuck people.'” wat.
<purr>
beep.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: reading that twice, too.
<gq>
nuck: i mean uh, "JESUS WAS A STRAIGHT WHITE MAN...*nervous laughter*"
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: there's one other Major Flaw™ that I can remember right now, which has to do with no-return-value routines. they still have to do something, and you still need to be able to be sure that that thing has been done before you do whatever you need to do that depends on it.
<nuck>
gq: I'm just imagining the last supper turning into a giant gay orgy, and it's beautiful
<gq>
nuck: not gay, i'm sure Mary Magdalene insinuated herself in as a server or something
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: for example, { stage[] [set local "a"] "c"; foo [a] } does not guarantee that "a" has actually been set by the time I get to where I'm now using it
<nuck>
He's a mushroom cloud layin' motherfucker motherfucker
<gq>
nuck: yes, but Tiger is next in line to the throne imo.
<gq>
nuck: also Idris Elba & Lupita Nyongo.
<gq>
this conversation is so racist -.-;;;;
<gq>
lol
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: the idea was that we could just attach to completion somehow, for example by giving the routine we're calling ownership of us and then disowning ourselves. then when the routine completes it would automatically release us and we could continue
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: but we need to bake that in atomically as well somewhow
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what's the meaning of 3|17157? anybody know?
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: but the problem with all of this, I think, is that responsibility is waaay too heavy a system for something so ubiquitous. you were thinking that responsibility would be something that would be held for longer periods of time and cascade and everything like that, and all of that complexity really is going to take a toll
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: if we have to grab and release a bunch of ownership for every coproduction... that's going to get ridiculous
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
performance, yeah. ugh.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
dependencies /=
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ugh
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
like, I really like NLP.
<nuck>
"giving the routine we're calling ownership of us and then disowning ourselves" -- voluntary procedural slavery? Legasp
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but I'm *terrified* about the amount of work that entails.
<whitequark>
NLP?
<nuck>
Nazi Little Pony
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: temporary name for another language of mine.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: don't worry about it, you'd hate it :P
<nuck>
It's elliott's new idea for a cartoon
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm so burnt-out right now, as it is; being able to dive in and make visible progress on the Paws.js code-base is the only thing that keeps me going.
<whitequark>
yes, I already regretted asking
<nuck>
Which brainwashes children into being nazis
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
visible improvements on the tests; or visibly improved documentation / cleaner code, or … etcetcetc
<nuck>
Reminds me brb making commits before midnight
<nuck>
muh github streak
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: I think the thing that scares me the most about tires/NLP, is abstraction.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
which I've talked about a little already, so.
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: fair enough. my point is basically, yes, we can get Paws to the point where it is sound and it can be used to make stuff… but it will be pretty much unoptimizable in any meaningful way
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but at a simple, high level … how do you *separate* code, when it's all one big graph of dependencies?
<nuck>
イ’m。。。
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
there's no seperation of concerns built into the *model*.
<nuck>
oh whoops
<nuck>
Accidentally forgot to disable hiragana
<nuck>
I'm... not doing as well
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that's the diametric opposite of Paws, which is why I don't like calling it non-linear Paws: it's similar in *implementation*, but extremely different in *use*.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
the entire fucking point of Paws is abstraction, separation-of-concerns.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
/=
<devyn>
I don't think there's anything preventing separation of concerns
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
why do modern asian art forms portray all the characters as caucasian? is it some weird culture cross-pollination thing from the last century?
<nuck>
It's because they simplify the facial structure
<nuck>
If you look at the eye shapes it's usually somewhat asian
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: … what are those websites? o_O
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: not all! for example, parents or grandparents are distinctly asian
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nuck: I mean simply the skin colour, not the shapes :P
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I think this trend is basically the same as, uh
<nuck>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I know. They simplify colors too
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: you mean characters that are older in the show, or, the art of grandparents, or …
<whitequark>
you know how all boobs on television are huge? same thing
<nuck>
A blue-tinted hair IRL turns into bright fucking blue hair in anime
<nuck>
Also, to be fair, American cartoons don't even remotely look caucasian
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: some sort of idealization thing?
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: older in the show
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: yes
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
idk that doesn't sound right; that implies caucasian-ish is ideal somehow.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I don't think it'd be seen as ideal in a non-caucasian society, would it? o_O
<nuck>
I feel bad for not recognizing any of the characters posted so far
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: apparently it is
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nuck: STEP IT UP
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nuck: I AM DISAPPOINT
<nuck>
I run an anime site and I can't even recognize anime characters
<nuck>
Taht's embarassing
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
woah sudden realization, *everybody talking right now* is an Anime nut
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I do not entirely understand how or why, but that seems to be the case
<nuck>
Well, moderate/whatever
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
don't think I've ever seen all three of you active at the same time, without anybody else being active too
<whitequark>
nuck: yandere.* is from monogatari
<whitequark>
tsundere.* is from golden time
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: what's the name of the thing you wanted me to see?
<nuck>
Is she? I recognized shaft's style but the hair suggested a different shaft
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: Jormungand
<nuck>
Maybe MCA
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: and what's with the domains?
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I don't think it's about idealization… the hair and the eyes are most of it; the characters are much more generic when you don't pay attention to those. and those are really just artistic details; it's about expression and uniqueness... purple eyes and purple hair etc.
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: the domains are just fun
<whitequark>
there's not really anything complicated behind them
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I mean, why are they separate? was it an anime reference I don't get
<whitequark>
different people run them
<whitequark>
yangire.* is mine
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ahhhhhhhhhhh
<devyn>
tsundere/yandere are like character stereotypes, ELLIOTTCABLE
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
do I misunderstand the term ‘manga?’
<devyn>
oh my god
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
or is this as joke-ey / silly as it sounds to me, given my understanding of that term?
<nuck>
ahahaha what
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: it just means comic book in japanese basically, but manga is also kinda just the style generally
<whitequark>
a manga guide to calculus (lost the link)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
also, the character on that cover is *literally* white
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
not caucasian, white
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so, I'm relieved :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
talk about generalization of phenotypes
<whitequark>
generally, there is a LOT of these things, especially if you don't look for translations
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: okay, that I knew, but,
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: no, it's not jokey
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: they're still normally comic-book-y content, right?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: people don't normally do manuals in comic-book form over there, or do they?
<whitequark>
as in, it is a seriously made work
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
well, that doesn't mean it's not jokey-y
<whitequark>
it might have a somewhat lighthearted style, but that's about it
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
not what I mean, exactly. bad choice of words on my part.
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: not usually, but it's a very popular thing... much more than here
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
like, _why's guide.
<whitequark>
it *is* designed to properly teach you
<nuck>
ELLIOTTCABLE: Let's not forget _why's guide to ruby
<nuck>
yeah
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
mmm
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: yes, _why's guide is a good analogue
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so, the answer to my question is half-and-half
<nuck>
comic book guides to programming/databases/whatever
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it's still not completely normal, but it's more common than over here
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but ‘manga’ in the general sense still specifically refers to graphic fiction
<devyn>
yep
<nuck>
I still have no idea how I actually learned anything reading why's guide. I was reading it as a joke, I never thought I'd actually pick up parts of ruby
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
k
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I LEARN
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
SLOWLY, BUT I LEARN
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nuck: LOL RIGHT
<purr>
LOL
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I watched a fifty-episode anime exclusively about different kinds of bread
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
iirc, that was the first time I understood the flip-flop
<nuck>
Like, I came out of the book going "what the fuck how did I learn things"
<whitequark>
and they did their fucking homework on that topic
<nuck>
And then I downloaded the OST
<devyn>
nuck: honestly that book was brilliant. best way to learn things
<nuck>
whitequark: YAKITATE JAPAN
<whitequark>
nuck: yes.
<nuck>
BEST FUCKING ANIME
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
♪ Tristam, Undercat'
<purr>
ELLIOTTCABLE is listening to “Undercat feat. Zealot”, by Tristam
<nuck>
Oh my god I loved that one, it was *amazing*
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
is LYAH any good?
<nuck>
I personally despise the Learn You A series
<devyn>
nuck: you make it enjoyable enough that they want to read it just because it's entertaining but then you throw stuff at them kind of subversively and they end up learning it
<whitequark>
devyn: I dunno, best way to learn things for me is dry manuals basically
<nuck>
devyn: Yeah that pretty much sums it up
<katlogic_>
are we trying to infect ELLIOTTCABLE with animu/mango again?
<whitequark>
up to and including ISO standards and such, although I generally prefer slightly more relaxed style
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lol it's katlogic_
* katlogic_
has his doubts
<nuck>
Hell yes let's give ELLIOTTCABLE the anime herpes
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
animepes
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
herpime
<devyn>
whitequark: I can never get myself to read the whole thing though. it's just not interesting. I look through them for the parts I need, but with a book like _why's guide I actually want to read every single detail of it and that means I get *everything*
<nuck>
mangaids
<nuck>
aidsmine
<nuck>
devyn: I can honestly say I never read whole dry manuals
<whitequark>
devyn: I read Jeffrey Richter's Windows programming book from cover to cover so many times, I still remember very well how Windows kernel objects work
<nuck>
I read about 2 chapters and bail
<whitequark>
and that was a fucking decade ago
<whitequark>
also, really good book, A++ will read again
<katlogic_>
Some people cant get past the "its so weird" stage. I suppose its more like scat fetish for some.
<katlogic_>
and that goes both for NT internals, and anime.
<devyn>
hahaha
<devyn>
++ katlogic
<purr>
Let it be known that devyn loves katlogic.
<whitequark>
katlogic_: NT internals are *great*.
<whitequark>
posix is a fucking shithole compared to them.
<devyn>
I actually agree
<devyn>
NT is awesome, and then the Win32 compat layer is ugh
<whitequark>
everything piled above NT, *especially* win32k, needs to be burned down
<whitequark>
and forgotten forever
<nuck>
Well, I find it hard to imagine that something could be worse than POSIX
<whitequark>
nuck: the things that were before POSIX.
<whitequark>
I mean, POSIX was a great improvement.
<nuck>
I've had people ask me to design things "in the posix philosophy"
<nuck>
And then I just laugh in their face, tell them no, and do it in a sane way
<whitequark>
oh god "unix philosophy"
<devyn>
I had indian food for dinner
<whitequark>
the good parts of unix are, basically, good design
<whitequark>
the rest should die
<nuck>
Yeah sometimes they mix the two up which is scary
<katlogic_>
Nah, unix is perfectly fine.
<whitequark>
there is no "unix philosophy"
<nuck>
whitequark: One guy got pissed at me for not writing my web hosting stuff in bash
<whitequark>
like, it simply does not exist.
<nuck>
I can't even make this shit up
<devyn>
shahi paneer
<devyn>
it was very good
<devyn>
kinda sweet
<katlogic_>
Problem with posix is "let's take an ugly piggy and try to make pony farting rainbows out of it".
<devyn>
almonds
<katlogic_>
I like the unix piggy.
<devyn>
and paneer
<devyn>
and onions
<devyn>
and cream
<devyn>
and tomato
<katlogic_>
Not as much the pony.
<nuck>
He *seriously* thought the right way to write a file storage site was to use BASH
<whitequark>
katlogic_: ignored. go troll someone else
<nuck>
I told him no and switched to Node.js for lazy stream handling
<katlogic_>
whitequark: go win32 fanboy somewhere else *g*
* whitequark
twitches
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
jesus.
<nuck>
Aside: I have had loli.dance looping for like 20 minutes now
<purr>
loli
<devyn>
lol guys
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
maybe I should just have a no-eastern-europeans rule. :P
<nuck>
I should probably turn it off but I just can't
<nuck>
devyn: To quote further in the article: "The music used consists of the second half of the fifth stanza (four lines) and the complete sixth stanza (eight lines) from "Ievan Polkka". Unlike the rest of the song, these two stanzas have no meaning, consisting mostly of phonetically-inspired Finnish words that vary from performance to performance and are usually made up on the spot by the singer"
<katlogic_>
ELLIOTTCABLE: Thats why it was offline for 10 hours yesterday? :)
<nuck>
:p
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I can now take photos and send them at you faggots without even opening IRCcloud on my phone. One tap. :P
<devyn>
nuck: okay, well that's true, but it's finnish-accented gibberish :)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
katlogic_: hm?
<nuck>
Where are you now, ELLIOTTCABLE?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
katlogic_: one of the freenode servers auto-K-lined irccloud 'cuz a troll tricked one IRCcloud user into joining a honeypot channel
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: so does that mean Apple finally made an open sharing API instead of having specific deals with Twitter and Facebook? :p
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: (something Android has had foreeeevvver)
<nuck>
devyn: Yep, iOS has extensions API now
<nuck>
They have sharing and keyboards
<nuck>
And widgets
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: ‘Android had it first, therefore Android is better.’
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
fallacious. :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: oh, yeah. it's a Big Effing Deal
<devyn>
:p
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
extensions are *finally* here, and they're *super*-well done.
<nuck>
It would be a Big Effing Deal if it weren't buggy as trash
<nuck>
Everything is broken
<nuck>
Everything is terrible
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nuck: you on the GM or something? nothing's buggy for me.
<katlogic_>
ELLIOTTCABLE: yeah, that too.
<nuck>
But it'll be nice in a year
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
specifically avoided betas this time around on the phone.
<nuck>
ELLIOTTCABLE: 8.0.2
* whitequark
← has no smartphone anymore at all
<whitequark>
because fuck these things
<nuck>
I didn't use GM
<nuck>
I upgraded the day it came out
<devyn>
whitequark: pff I know the real reason
<katlogic_>
whitequark: WP8 runs NT kernel :)
<katlogic_>
whitequark: all down to CSRSS clusterfuck bugs being used to jailbreak it.
<nuck>
This is what some italian dud thinks english sounds like :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nuck: oh, I remember that
<nuck>
With cultists or something
<devyn>
whitequark: I remember you saying something about throwing phones :p
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: oh my god I died lol'ing
<purr>
lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-what
<purr>
<alexgordon> though not as much as Nuck beats Nuck
<whitequark>
devyn: nah, I still do use dumbphones, same problem wrt throwing
<nuck>
I throw phones
<nuck>
A lot
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
rock, paper, scissors, lizard, nuck?
<nuck>
I still have no idea how my iPhone 4 survived
<nuck>
Like, 4 years without a case, me throwing it constantly
<nuck>
And it never even cracked
<whitequark>
devyn: basically, I realized I don't need one at all
<nuck>
That shit was MAGIC
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: the only thing I see reading about iOS 8 extensions that Android doesn't do *exactly the same way* is the whole action extensions thing, which is actually pretty neat. everything else works exactly the same way... in fact I'd argue better, because it's more present
<whitequark>
the only thing I used a touchscreen device for was GPS navigation, and I specifically *avoided* having GSM, because that forces me to properly find offline maps beforehand rather than being stranded in some random country without any maps whatsoever
<whitequark>
used my (old) nexus 7 for that (it's complete shit. absolutely unusable device.) but the screen cracked in last airport
<nuck>
I use my phone to read Quora, Medium, Twitter, etc.
<devyn>
lol Europeans "some random country"
<nuck>
It's also great for IRC-ing while you shit
<nuck>
Speaking of which, brb... or not brb
<nuck>
:]
<whitequark>
nuck: yeah none of that is useful
<nuck>
I disagree. I'm pooping right now. Very useful
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: what's wrong with the 7?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but I still … I dunno, photos nowadays have me retroactively yellowing it in my memory, I think :P
<nuck>
Macintosh Color Classic
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it's always surprising to me, which people have only been programming for a few years, and those who've been programming for two decades
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I *always* call it wrong.
<whitequark>
nuck: you're old
<nuck>
I think
<nuck>
No I'm not
<nuck>
I'm not even 21
<whitequark>
O_o
<whitequark>
whaaat
<nuck>
But I learned programming when I was like... 6-7, and my mom's classroom was equipped with just one of those
<devyn>
I've been programming for about ten years, and I'm 18, whitequark
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: you forget that everyone in here except alexgordon is young as fuck
<katlogic_>
nuck: Also surprised you've come into contact with it. We've got those in by the late 90s imported and sold for cheap here. That much those things sucked nobody else wanted em.
<nuck>
katlogic_: Quite possible. They were awful things, they were out and replaced with fruity imacs after about 3 years iirc