ELLIOTTCABLE changed the topic of #elliottcable to: a _better_ cult ˙ ͜ʟ˙ embrace, extend, extinguish.
<incomprehensibly> hi uncomprehensibly
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> Hi
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: hi!
<BaronSamedi> hi
<purr> BaronSamedi: hi!
<BaronSamedi> -what
<purr> <gq> (inb4 the answer is 'apply glitter glue, wait 5 minutes')
<BaronSamedi> -what
<purr> <alexgordon> if you're a wizard then bake me a cake
<BaronSamedi> -what
<purr> <prophile> nrocinu a m'I <elbacttoille>
<incomprehensibly> i'm trash i'm trash i'm trash i'm trash i'm trash
<BaronSamedi> incomprehensibly: why, what did you do D:
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<incomprehensibly> hi gq <3
<gq> incomprehensibly: ....hi
* gq blushes & attempts not to tsundere everywhere
<gq> this is more apt than it appears since 5 minutes ago i was crying so hard i was afraid i was going to puke about something unrelated :P
<gq> -what
<purr> <locks> so what you're saying is you're as mad as elliottcable.
<gq> -what
<purr> <alexgordon> only elliottcable could unwittingly name something after bloody anuses
<gq> -what
<purr> <locks> paws = portal the programming language
<gq> -glowcoil @ incomprehensibly
<gq> damn really?
<gq> -mix @ incomprehensibly
<purr> incomprehensibly: shut up you fuckers i'm awesome and like elliott but better 'cos tits
<gq> ^_^
<incomprehensibly> haha
<gq> -find gq
<purr> gq: genderqueer
<gq> -search gq
<gq> dammit whenever ELLIOTTCABLE isn't here i forget every damn thing
<gq> -micahjohnston @ incomprehensibly
<purr> incomprehensibly: http://ell.io/ifI8A
<gq> SEE THAT
<gq> THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE
<gq> D:
<incomprehensibly> hahaha
<gq> D:
<gq> this is my fault
<gq> this is karma
<gq> like 6 people on Rizon have recently decided they're in love with me
<gq> SO NOW THIS IS FUCKING HAPPENING
<gq> D:
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wat
* gq climbs into ELLIOTTCABLE's hair & makes a nest
<gq> ELLIOTTCABLE: HELP MICAH IS AN ADULT AND HE'S ATTRACTIVE
<gq> ELLIOTTCABLE: MAKE IT STOP
<gq> ELLIOTTCABLE: D:
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what
<gq> ELLIOTTCABLE: wat
<ELLIOTTCABLE> that, yes
<ELLIOTTCABLE> incomprehensibly: idk help bitcoin
* ELLIOTTCABLE is poking around bfgminer
<gq> o lol
<purr> lol
<incomprehensibly> ELLIOTTCABLE: lol idk bitcoin
<gq> incomprehensibly: paypal recently decided to accept bitcoin as legit currency
<gq> incomprehensibly: so now all the wolves are gathering :P
<incomprehensibly> haha
<incomprehensibly> fuck paypal
<incomprehensibly> fuck bitcoin
<gq> incomprehensibly: same lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> fuck paypal, but i like bitcoin >:
<gq> incomprehensibly: one of my (many) business ideas is to make a paypal alternative specifically for sex workers, cam girls, and other folks who work on the wrong side of the tracks
<incomprehensibly> gq: that is a good idea
<ELLIOTTCABLE> base it on bitcoin! )
<ELLIOTTCABLE> the only worthwhile thing to come out of ello is the ello smiley. )
<gq> incomprehensibly: i also want to do a nonprofit alternative to the post office/USPS etc
<gq> incomprehensibly: and i'm applying to local law school this winter quarter
<incomprehensibly> ELLIOTTCABLE: wait ) is an ello smiley?
<gq> incomprehensibly: if i can get a decent finaid package i'll do an undergrade in biology or something
<gq> undergrad*
<incomprehensibly> gq: whoo good luck!!
<gq> incomprehensibly: thank you :) you've probably even heard of the school - Gonzaga Bulldogs, anyone?
<incomprehensibly> oh i haven't but i haven't heard of any schools
<gq> incomprehensibly: heh that's fair
<ELLIOTTCABLE> incomprehensibly: https://ello.co/wtf/post/ellosmiley
<ELLIOTTCABLE> i like it.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it's micahcute.
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: ) is used as a smiley in ex-USSR countries for a decade and a half already
<whitequark> together with )))) and such. it's a pretty good detector, in fact.
<gq> whitequark: don't disillusion him now! he's in a good mood :)
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<joelteon> ouch
<joelteon> my buspirone is making me dizzy
<gq> wat
<gq> oh
<gq> yeah :/
<gq> try standing up slowly
<gq> and drink lots of water.
<gq> if it' sreally bad
<gq> you might need a cane
<gq> i have a walking stick these days lol
<purr> lol
<joelteon> a walking stick??
<gq> joelteon: i just pretend i'm dr house :P
<joelteon> da fuk
<gq> joelteon: like, the buspirone makes me dizzy enough i don't feel safe walking without one, just in case :/
<gq> i like having the extra support
* gq shrugs
<purr> ¯\(º_o)/¯
<joelteon> oh
<joelteon> so it always makes you dizzy?
<gq> um well
<gq> not like
<gq> once you get used to it
<gq> it calms down
<gq> but yeah definitely sometimes i'll stand up too fast
<gq> and like
<gq> fall over
<gq> heh
<joelteon> heh
<joelteon> okay
<gq> :P
<gq> luckily i have very good balance from years in musical theatre
<gq> so i know how to fall well
<gq> no concussions yet!
<gq> ^_^;
<joelteon> okay good to hear
<joelteon> i do not like dizziness
<gq> yeah
<gq> stay safe yo
<joelteon> it's a panic trigger for me
<gq> :)
<gq> yeah same :/
<gq> if it gets too bad talk to your doctor becuase i'm pretty sure there are like
<gq> vitamins you can take to counteract it
* gq nods
<joelteon> okay
<joelteon> heh
<gq> :)
<joelteon> i'm on meds; now i'm on meds to counteract the negative effects of the meds
<joelteon> what i should do now is get on meds to counteract the negative effects of the meds
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<gq> joelteon: welcome to the club m8 lol
<purr> lol
<gq> joelteon: my favorite is the effexor was giviing me hormone prolllums, think like, growing another cup size, problems
<joelteon> oh noooo
<gq> joelteon: if i ever get on that again i'm pretty sure i'll need to take testosterone lol
<joelteon> i'll never take effexor
<gq> good
<gq> that shit can make you lactate
<gq> AND
<gq> it's addictive
<joelteon> i'm happy with my current cup size
<gq> one time i missed the time i took it by two hours
<gq> i started shaking so hard i couldn't walk
<gq> it was terrifying tbqh
<gq> x_x
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> I ****hate**** arguing with women.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> because it makes me feel like attacking them for being women, when I simply disagree with them.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I just, don't know how to disagree with female feminists on *any issue* right now.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and it makes me regret getting involved in the feminist circles, regret trying to educate myself on feminist issues.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> (not that i'm going to let that pain make me *stop* trying to, but I have to at least acknowledge that it sucks. |= )
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<gq> ELLIOTTCABLE: it does suck, and i understand why :/
<gq> ELLIOTTCABLE: if you feel you need to emotionally withdraw from feminist circles for your own emotional health, you certainly have that right.
<gq> :)
<ELLIOTTCABLE> gq: nah, not at all
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lol
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'll be fine.
<gq> ELLIOTTCABLE: Okay :)
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it's only a small occasional quantity of suck. *shrug*
<purr> ¯\(º_o)/¯
<gq> ELLIOTTCABLE: Okay.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> makes it hard to engage with skilled females, though, which denies me 50% of the population as intellectual trading partners.
<gq> I see.
<whitequark> >skilled females
<whitequark> you sound kinda like an asshole
<gq> whitequark: i don't know what to say other than "well, he IS elliott cable"
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what
<ELLIOTTCABLE> why o_O
<gq> lel
<ELLIOTTCABLE> there's other people skilled in my field, and people unskilled in my field.
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: most people referring to women as "females" did that as a part of an insult
<whitequark> which is not to say that you necessarily mean it
<ELLIOTTCABLE> engaging with others who are skilled is how I self-improve, learn, and propagate ideas. half of the available people for that purpose are female; and it's difficult for me to interact with that half due to my own fear.
<whitequark> just that it does sound like that
<joelteon> is female the right way to refer to trans women too
<gq> joelteon: yes
<joelteon> ok
<joelteon> "female"/"male" are sometimes degrading words anyway, so i'm not planning on doing that a whole lot
<joelteon> just a technicality question
<gq> noted.
<dskuza> ELLIOTTCABLE: greatest. social. network. ever.
<dskuza> brb legally changing my name.
dskuza is now known as eskuza
<gq> lol
<purr> lol
eskuza is now known as dskuza
<dskuza> back i didn't like being a elliott i wish to be removed
<gq> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi dskuza
<dskuza> hi ELLIOTTCABLE
<dskuza> and now i must ride into the suburbs on my 74 horses between my crotch!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> dskuza: you can never leave; you can only deactivate your account
<dskuza> or just /nick, that works, too.
<dskuza> life needs a /nick.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> immediately pictured dskuza with two actual horses simultaneously between his legs
<dskuza> two? no, 74.
<gq> dskuza: your crotch has 72 horses?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> dskuza: “life needs a /nick.” wat.
<purr> beep.
* gq slides next to dskuza
<gq> go on...
<ELLIOTTCABLE> omfg gq
<gq> lol
<purr> lol
<dskuza> my crotch has 74 horses and goes 0-60 in 4 seconds
<gq> dskuza: hey. hey. hey can i go for a ride
<gq> dskuza: just to try it?
<gq> dskuza: :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ugh ugh ugh stop making me picture this
<dskuza> lmfao
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you two:
<ELLIOTTCABLE> DO NOT MAKE SEX.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> DO NOT.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> MAKE SEX.
* ELLIOTTCABLE runs around in actual circles
* ELLIOTTCABLE as opposed to elongated ellipsis, or rounded polyhedrals
* ELLIOTTCABLE actual.
* ELLIOTTCABLE circles.
<whitequark> dskuza: "my crotch has 74 horses and goes 0-60 in 4 seconds" wat.
<purr> beep.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -what
<purr> <alexgordon> a python script, to generate a grammar, to pass to a compiler compiler, to generate the C++ source for a compiler, to be compiled by a C++ compiler
<dskuza> whitequark: i have a super-crotch
<dskuza> genetically modified.
<gq> ELLIOTTCABLE: bitch don't tell me what to do
* gq buys dskuza a drink
<gq> ^_^
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: there is no circle.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: didn't y〇u kn〇w? my superp〇wer is the f〇rmati〇n 〇f perfect circles.
<joelteon> groce
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ry
<gq> lol
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -learn hot rocks = <https://twitter.com/ELLIOTTCABLE/status/5552558>
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: Learned `hot rocks`.
<whitequark> holy shit that number
<whitequark> holy shit.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: what number?
<whitequark> 7-digit tweet id
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh, lol
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I would give anything to find my original Twitter account. /=
<whitequark> I thought it was truncated at first
<whitequark> and then it hit me
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hello whitequark i like you
<ELLIOTTCABLE> even if you don't like my programming language
<ELLIOTTCABLE> <'3
<gq> i like whitequark too
<whitequark> ... okay
<whitequark> that was out of blue
<gq> -whitequark @ whitequark
<purr> whitequark: he is actually redquark. http://ell.io/iZi8J
<katlogic> ELLIOTTCABLE: They're ovals. My terminal emulator is clearly subhuman.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> katlogic: :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE> katlogic: hi, 'sup
<whitequark> terminal emulator as a profession
<whitequark> "my dad is a 4th generation terminal emulator"
<katlogic> And can't draw perfect circles; because imperfect genes!
<whitequark> "we're interviewing you for a position of a terminal emulator. please tell us about your experience with vt52 escape codes."
<katlogic> ELLIOTTCABLE: Snarky and racist; as always.
<whitequark> hey ec, want a fun interview story
<dskuza> Guys I didn't die!
<whitequark> it happened recently when I was over at [REDACTED]
<gq> dskuza: yay!
<whitequark> me: "well, there's [REDACTED], but it's not really usable" interviewer: "oh ... well, I wrote it" me: "oops"
<gq> LOL
<purr> LOL
<gq> er
<gq> lol
<gq> but yes
<gq> o dear
<joelteon> that's an easy way to figure out you don't want to work there
<gq> for sure
<whitequark> actually, no, I do
<gq> oh
<gq> well
<gq> that's unfortunate
<gq> lol
<whitequark> (surprise surprise, very good people can sometimes write bad code, it happens)
<gq> whitequark: *points wordlessly at ELLIOTTCABLE*
<katlogic> whitequark: Maybe it was a test of how much of "team player" you are :)
<gq> katlogic: dear god i hate that tactic
<gq> katlogic: i'm always like *smiles politely (thoughts: i want to rip your still beating heart out and eat it in front of your child)
<whitequark> katlogic: "we thought about it and you're the best candidate"
<katlogic> whitequark: So its a good place after all.
<katlogic> or maybe
<whitequark> katlogic: indeed
<katlogic> or maybe just market, "despite not being a team player, we dont have anyone more sunny go happy with relevant skills"
<whitequark> it's one of the best places I currently know of, and I do have good ones to compare with
<katlogic> gq: I presume you're triggering me into saying something sexist, like "well duh; women are programmed to be team players, despite the burning sensation of thousands suns inside when you have to fake friendliness"
<katlogic> Stop opressing me you feminist scum!
<gq> katlogic: er. no? lol
<purr> lol
<whitequark> .... that was unprovoked
<whitequark> gq: i don't think ec is a good developer. i can totally see him as idk a good UI designer (I know shit in UI design), or a good team leader (#ec persists after all, if its usefulness is marginal), or a whole bunch of other specializations
<whitequark> [silence]
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ow
<katlogic> he's totes "technology evangelist"
<ELLIOTTCABLE> katlogic: ಠ_ಠ
<ELLIOTTCABLE> fuck no
<gq> lol
<katlogic> large twitter following; good outlook of technology despite having no hard skill overall
<katlogic> yup; fits the mark.
<gq> whitequark: i think of him as an ELLIOTTCABLE - he's great at whatever he puts his mind to; even if it's bending reality
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: “terminal emulator as a profession” wat.
<purr> beep.
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: was katlogic's qualification more offensive than mine or what
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: is that interview place the french place?
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: no comment
<ELLIOTTCABLE> katlogic: wat
<ELLIOTTCABLE> A) good outlook? wat?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> B) no hard skill overall? again, wat?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: well, yes. You put in the effort to couch your insult in “… but you *could* be better at these other things!”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: whereas his was just “haha you're a <made-up job that people ascribe to themselves when they have no real skill”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so many buckets of ಠ_ಠ
<whitequark> hey, it wasn't an insult, or at least, was never intended to be
<katlogic> ELLIOTTCABLE: outlook, as in, when someone says technobabble you usually know whats going on. hard skill, as in "hard scifi", or detailed low level understanding of computers. I have my doubts about your knownledge of 8051 ISA, but I might be completely wrong on this as I dont know you that long.
<whitequark> (yes, I know there is a whole bucket of other problems with that statement, but, still)
<ELLIOTTCABLE> katlogic: So, anybody who doesn't have at least one instruction-set memorized is a ‘technology evangelist,’ not a programmer. I see. :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: I know that, you're far too honest for that.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: obviously, I'd *take* it as an insult, because I aspire very much to be a ‘good developer,’ not a UI designer.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> or, at least, I aspire to be somewhere between the two; and much closer to ‘good developer’ than you think I currently am.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> honestly, I'm more interested in being a good API designer than anything else.
<katlogic> ELLIOTTCABLE: "Real programmers don't use Pascal" is subject to Poe's law indeed.
<whitequark> I do include "API designer" in "UI designer" here
<whitequark> in fact, that was the point
* ELLIOTTCABLE nods
<ELLIOTTCABLE> well, then you're completely accurate. Which is still disappointing to me. :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: thanks for being cool, nonetheless.
<whitequark> katlogic: so, can I ask: do you consider yourself a good developer?
* katlogic has the strange sense of dejavu: real text editor is not sublime text *g*
<katlogic> whitequark: Hell no.
<whitequark> aww.
<whitequark> if you said "yes", we'd eventually end up at "but do you know how *exactly* are 12-nm MOS transistors manufactured"
<katlogic> whitequark: That quality is to be judged by peers, which depends entirely on social circle.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oooo katlogic wisdom
<whitequark> lol
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> when you don't expect him to conform to current Western societal norms, he's quite the intelligent fellow ;)
<whitequark> personally, my end goal is to become a Full-Stack Developer, by which I literally mean "start by purifying silicon using Czhochralski process"
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wait, what about forming the silicon in the first place
<katlogic> whitequark: Arguing ad-absurdum again, I see what you did there :) Nah, there is certain line, I'd call it difference between software engineering and fab process engineering.
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: step 1: go to a beach, take a bucket of sand. step 2: mix with coal. step 3: heat up
<whitequark> katlogic: no, not really
<whitequark> in fact, there *are* domains of software engineering when you need to go down to gate level.
<whitequark> my well-hidden point was about the usefulness of abstraction and the qualities that make a good engineer
<katlogic> whitequark: Yes. But you dont need to know how FPGAs are manufactured.
<whitequark> of course you do, synthesis software is only so good enough
<katlogic> whitequark: Like chemist has some vague sense about physics, but does not understand it deep enough. Hence the separation of fields.
<katlogic> In general sciences - physics -> chemists -> biology and so on.
<whitequark> pffffrrt I would be a biologist and still I would have like four terms of quantum physics
<whitequark> tell me more about separation of fields, please
<katlogic> whitequark: That would be degree of knowitall then :)
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it's okay, whitequark is a summary generalist
<whitequark> anyway, what makes a good engineer is the ability to work on a given level of abstraction and knowing when and where to go deeper from there into things you ~don't know yet~
<whitequark> it's absolutely fucking irrelevant whether a given developer knows x86 assembly, it is completely relevant whether they'll run away with their tail between their legs when their code is slow, or go to town with `perf record`
<whitequark> saying that you need to know [specific technology] in order to be a good [general specialization] is just being an asshole to people you don't like for some reason
<katlogic> or just asshole
<katlogic> whitequark: As for perf record, is that contradiction on purpose?
<whitequark> not arguing with that
<whitequark> what do you mean?
<katlogic> Because thats exactly the reason of abstraction bloat in general.
<whitequark> elaborate?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
<whitequark> katlogic: (btw, not a degree of knowitall. it would be bioengineering and bioinformatics... modern biology revolves around molecular methods.)
<katlogic> whitequark: You're arguing that overspecialization inside a field (such as being good c++ developer, but not caring enough to delve into perf traces) is a good thing.
<whitequark> nope
<whitequark> I'm saying that initially, you don't know any technologies, and the more time passes, the more technologies you don't know
<katlogic> By contradiction I mean, yes, you need to know a bit of low level stuff to correctly interpret perf traces.
<whitequark> so in the long run, what matters is not particular knowledge, but knowing when and being able to acquire more of relevant one
<katlogic> whitequark: No arguing with that.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: audy
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: oh.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: he's gone. >:
<whitequark> so *when* your code is slow, you take out perf and figure out what the fuck does your code run on and how it works
<katlogic> whitequark: My problem is people tend to move only in upwards directions. They all focus on more and more abstractions; having complete disregard for the low level stuff. Hence abstraction bloat.
<whitequark> there's a separate issue with how slow exactly code must be for users (and developers) to care, but it's a completely separate systemic failure
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: audy?
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: do you know there is a #homecmos at freenode
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: https://code.google.com/p/homecmos/
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: have a friend who's a bioinformatics nut
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: I dropped out and I was in it because dept paid me
<whitequark> well
<whitequark> I just don't think I can tell them anything interesting
<whitequark> wow that's a lot of publications
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lol he's a neat
<purr> lol
* katlogic would snark "publish or perish"; but lacks the capacity in bioinformics to judge if thats proper
<whitequark> I always find it sad when people retweet a dumb picture instead of something awesome that the dumb picture is a reply for.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: huh?
<whitequark> making a CMOS IC is fucking amazing. etching a sub-millimeter nyancat is just ... so meh
<whitequark> like I have fifty micron resolution with my fucking laser printer and my fucking useless PCB photoresist
<whitequark> that's no effort whatsoever
<whitequark> (no, I don't count "took your ass off your couch and ordered a few things from Amazon" as "effort".)
<whitequark> </rant>
<ELLIOTTCABLE> … lol.
<purr> lol
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: what?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> no, I understand!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> this talk, it was the best part of my entire trip to Florida / the entire two conferences.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> http://youtu.be/HmStJQzclHc /by @SlexAxton
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I fucking died laughing, it's amazing.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> re: colour-names, CSS, X11, history.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> diediediediediediediedied.